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Multi-million pound Lottery bid to build Titanic dream

11:30am Tuesday 7th October 2008

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TOURISM chiefs are set to bid for up to £5m of funding for an ambitious multi-million pound attraction commemorating the Titanic disaster.

Southampton City Council will outline its vision to the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF), which could contribute up to one third of the £15m bill for the final design and construction.

The climb-aboard replica of the doomed liner is the first phase of the proposed £30m Southampton Heritage Centre.

If the plan goes ahead, doors would open in April 2012 on the 100th anniversary of the tragedy – three and half years away.

The council anticipates building work, which includes glass extensions to the roof of the Civic Centre, to take between 18 months and two years.

Tourists will experience life onboard on the voyage, learn about the devastating impact on the victims’ families and watch live re-enactments with actors.

It’s believed the hi-tech virtual tour will attract more than 150,000 visitors from around the world each year.

The HLF will announce in January if Southampton’s bid has been successful, however the council knows it would still be expected to pay for the majority of the feasibility and build.

The council is drawing up a list of funding sources, which include selling off prized assets within the culture and heritage portfolio such as the sale of an acre plot of council land, the Lower High Street site.

The Wool House, currently home to the Southampton Maritime Museum, could also be sold to developers.

Councillor John Hannides, Cabinet member for leisure, culture and heritage, said: “The decision has been made that we want to proceed to the next stage of making a bid.

“However, the city council will not look to start development work until such time as all the funding is identified and in place. That would only happen if we know that we have got the assets that we can rationalise that would assist in raising the funds.”

A second bid for funding would need to be launched to pay for phase two of the museum, which would celebrate Southampton’s history – from King Canute to Jane Austen and the Second World War.

English Heritage has already given the green light to the project, which would see the old magistrates’ courts and central police station gutted and transformed into a state-of-the-art facility.

It is likely just one court will be preserved, while the other two will be demolished to make way for several permanent and temporary exhibitions focusing on the history of the docks, the city’s dynamic inventors and the Second World War.

Earlier this year, the HLF awarded £21m to Portsmouth’s Mary Rose Museum – but the fund’s budget has since been substantially slashed because of the London 2012 Olympics.


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Adrian Smith, Planet Earth says...
8:50am Tue 7 Oct 08

"It’s believed the hi-tech virtual tour will attract more than 150,000 visitors from around the world each year"

Hi-tech - doomed then.

thesaint, southampton says...
9:05am Tue 7 Oct 08

it seems a better idea with more imagination then that micky mouse spitfire idea.

Andy Locks Heath, says...
10:15am Tue 7 Oct 08

The only problem I see is that this on its own wouldn't cause anyone to make a dedicated trip to Southampton - this is why other worthwhile initiatives have failed (eg the aviation museum) - it would have to be in conjunction with some kind of "maritime experience" - for example people like watching the cruise liners come and go especially if there's a bit of a show (fireworks, fire tugs etc). Even cargo ships are a novelty to people who aren't used to seeing them. Southampton Tourist chiefs need to integrate this with other attractions to give people enough cause to make a trip to the city. Make sure there's a good website that does all this and make sure there is dedicated tourist bus transport and information.

southy, redbridge says...
11:59am Tue 7 Oct 08

i wonder how long its going to take before our council will relize that soouthampton is a working city and not a tourist city.people only pass though southampton they dont stop here,even when the boat show is on only a few people stay here most stay in winchester and out in the new forest.turn southampton tourist dept in to southampton local entertainments dept would be much better

Dr Alimantado, Babylon says...
12:30pm Tue 7 Oct 08

thesaint wrote:
it seems a better idea with more imagination then that micky mouse spitfire idea.
true but they seem to be sacrificing a lot to raise the money.

Dr Alimantado, Babylon says...
12:30pm Tue 7 Oct 08

thesaint wrote:
it seems a better idea with more imagination then that micky mouse spitfire idea.
true but they seem to be sacrificing a lot to raise the money.

Devongirl, Warsash says...
12:39pm Tue 7 Oct 08

What about all the cruise passengers then? Millions of them each year - it IS a tourist city too. This is just the sort of thing cruise passengers will visit and could bring more business to the other museums and galleries too. Titanic should be commemerated in Southampton.

Miles Sway, Scotland says...
1:28pm Tue 7 Oct 08

I doubt cruise visitors would visit it - it's a fair way from the docks and unless they have somewhere to deposit baggage (or get a free overnight stay in Soton from the cruise operators) the passengers are simply a quick turnaround and gone.
Agree with Andy - this alone isn't sufficient to bring people (and hopefully return again) to Southampton; it needs to be linked somehow to a unique maritime experience to make the trip worthwhile. Personally, if the only attraction Soton can offer is a maritime disaster from 100 years ago I'm worried the interest won't be there anyway by the time it opens.

southy, redbridge says...
1:49pm Tue 7 Oct 08

Devongirl wrote:
What about all the cruise passengers then? Millions of them each year - it IS a tourist city too. This is just the sort of thing cruise passengers will visit and could bring more business to the other museums and galleries too. Titanic should be commemerated in Southampton.
devongirl you need to go down to the docks when a liner is in,passengers are ship out straight away on the same day,incoming coaches with new passengers take the out going passengers out to all over the uk,taxis pick up at the train station and air port and do the same has coaches, they just dont hang around,so what ever done to attract tourist it will fail

mr.southampton, Southampton says...
3:13pm Tue 7 Oct 08

As much as a new centre to tell the Southampton story is required for both residents and visitors, it really would be a travesty if the price was the loss of such jewels of city heritage like the wool house.

chapelsaint, Hedge End says...
3:36pm Tue 7 Oct 08

I wish we could put an end to this morbid idea of taking a major maritime disaster and trying to turn it into a money spinner. Using the same logic, we might as well build a museum to the poor souls that were killed in the 1940's and have an inter-active bombing of the city, complete with dead and mutilated bodies. These tragedies still have impact on people in this area and we should not be trying to commercialise them.
As to the people who reckon that this would be a hotspot for tourists, would you come here??

mr.southampton, Southampton says...
3:53pm Tue 7 Oct 08

chapelsaint wrote:
I wish we could put an end to this morbid idea of taking a major maritime disaster and trying to turn it into a money spinner. Using the same logic, we might as well build a museum to the poor souls that were killed in the 1940's and have an inter-active bombing of the city, complete with dead and mutilated bodies. These tragedies still have impact on people in this area and we should not be trying to commercialise them. As to the people who reckon that this would be a hotspot for tourists, would you come here??
Other museums and visitor centres have exhibitions on wars, famines, earthquakes etc and I beleive there are also several holocaust museums. The aim of these exhibits is to tell peoples stories and enable us to learn from these experiences. History and the collections of our stories which make it up are not all about joy and happiness!

The Titanic story is really a mythology, which is what people are so interested in it (I mean the name Titanic is derived itself from mythology). there are a lot of parralels with mythological stories like Icarus, in the vein of man taking on nature and nature winning. Why shouldn't the city be able to tell it's story?

Devongirl, Warsash says...
5:02pm Tue 7 Oct 08

Southy, I am well aware how the cruise terminal operates - I use it! It is not just a join and leave port though other ships come in for the day and spend millions in West Quary, other such attractions work in other ports - Falmouth has the National Maritime Museum - tell the film makers that Titanic is not a money spinner! Mr Southampton has spelt it out - I believe this could work and have always been surprised that Titanic has such a small part in the local museum, even before the film made it famous. Doesn't Bristol capitalise on Brunel? It is part of Southampton's heritage.

allsaintsnocurves, Southampton says...
5:37pm Tue 7 Oct 08

I actually think it's about time that there is a decent attraction for the Titanic disaster. After all everyone has heard of the Titanic and Southampton was the city it left from we should be the ones who have the best museum in the world commemorating it. However, other cities in the world are cashing in on the Titanic...there's a museum in London and New York why have they got artefacts from the Titanic and Southampton hasn't. Southampton is trying to expand it's marketing appeal and name worldwide, the Titanic, Spitfire and boat show are the start of ways they can do it. However, the transporation link needs to be improved to ensure people can get round the city to these attractions quickly and easily.

Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:48pm Tue 7 Oct 08

The best thing would be for a museum incorporating the Hall of Aviation to go where the Marlands is now. Most of the shops there can relocate either to the Bargate or Above Bar, solving the glut of empty shops we have.

southy, redbridge says...
6:01pm Tue 7 Oct 08

the titanic had a very short life only sail the once,most of its crew came from southampton and liverpool all what can be said about that ship could be done in the woolhouse there is a tribute plate naming the dead in town

memush, dibden purlieu says...
7:16pm Tue 7 Oct 08

Why are we in Southampton still so obsessed with this terrible tragedy.It was a ddisaster for the Merchant Navy with the allegations of pursuit of records above safety and a hugh tragedy for the famlilies of the Northam area who lost so many of their menfolk. Let it rest in history.

No Fuss, Southampton says...
1:40pm Wed 8 Oct 08

Great come to the city where this famous boat left ! and then went under !! great !! NOT ! what a waste of money !!! this money should be used for housing !! us brits !! and our suffering NHS !! or better still, CCTV in the parks !!! or even shall we ripp out a few traffic lights to stop traffic cue's building up !! that should free up some money spent on stopping every 30 yrds "!!! A massive shake up is what is needed !

scottahamilton, Swansea says...
7:14pm Thu 9 Oct 08

Will it be a full scale model?

H.R.H. KING MUSH , WOOLSTON says...
1:50am Fri 10 Oct 08

memush wrote:
Why are we in Southampton still so obsessed with this terrible tragedy.It was a ddisaster for the Merchant Navy with the allegations of pursuit of records above safety and a hugh tragedy for the famlilies of the Northam area who lost so many of their menfolk. Let it rest in history.
MeMush (no relation)

Rather short sighted view?

We are all very aware of the disaster and how it affected so many local families who lost their loved ones- Chapel and Northam suffering the most.

However - we are now nearly 100 years on and whilst agreeing that it was the worst ever maritime tragedy - at least some good came out of it.

The subsequent inquiries turned the whole safety aspect around as well as seeing improvements in shipbuilding etc.

The Titanic story was a mix of bad luck being in the wrong place at the wrong time plus so many factors i.e dark unlit night- loss of radio contact with nearby ships-lack of sufficient lifeboats plus the arrogance of ship-owners who pushed Captain Smith into a suicidal speed trial through the well known icefields that were drifting further south then normal.

It also signified a demarcation in the Edwardian class system which was further diluted by WW1 on the horizon.

I find the discovery and recording of the wreck to be a fascinating glimpse into the whole story - it may be morbid to some - others can just be an amazing story.

Apart from that - why not have a giant Titanic Log Flume that runs a model down from the top of the Civic Centre down to Mayflower Park?

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