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4:10pm Monday 20th October 2008
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PARENTS, teachers and union leaders are calling for urgent action after dozens of pupils went on the rampage leaving a trail of destruction at one of Southampton’s newest schools.
Eyewitnesses said that around 150 teenagers caused hundreds of pounds of damage after running through the corridors armed with bits of wood, smashing windows and trying to rip plasma television sets off walls.
Insiders say discontent has been simmering among pupils and staff since the school was formed in September by the merger of Grove Park and Woolston schools.
Teaching unions have threatened to ballot for industrial action if school chiefs fail to address their concerns about problems caused by timetables and the travelling between the two sites.
It is understood that they have set a deadline of November 3 for changes to be brought in.
The disturbance broke out at Oasis Academy Mayfield’s upper school site in Woolston during break time.
Police received a call about the incident from a mobile phone but when officers telephoned the school they were told that it was a “minor disturbance” and police were not required.
It came two days after a pupil allegedly threatened a woman teacher with a knife used in the school’s science lessons.
Police have launched an investigation into that alleged incident which is said to have happened in the classroom.
The school insists that no more than 40 students were involved in the disturbance last Thursday, no televisions or computers were damaged and repairs have already been completed.
Parents of pupils involved in the incident were called in to take their children home from school.
One parent,who did not wish to be named, said her children witnessed the rampage.
She said: “It started off as a demonstration to say being joined with Grove Park isn’t working, but turned into a riot with kids running through the corridors with bits of wood, bursting into classrooms and smashing windows all over the place.
“My kids said there were just loads of them. None of the kids are happy there.
They’re not happy with the way things are, so thought they would do a protest.”
Another person who contacted the Echo anonymously said: “Tensions have been rising since the start of term after the merger of the school with the former Grove Park/Weston Park Boys School in Grove Road.
“Many teachers are also unhappy with the disorganisation of the how the school is run.
“The pupils are also unhappy at the changes in the school.”
Bosses at the school considered the incident so serious that Oasis founder Steve Chalke visited the academy the day after to speak to pupils at the Woolston site.
Speaking about the latest incident principal Ruth Johnson said that when the lesson bell rang “a small minority” of students remained outside in the playground before some went into the building attempting to cause a disturbance.
She added that senior staff brought the situation under control within a very short space of time.
She said: “It is unfortunate that a small group of students and parents are refusing to accept that the predecessor schools have now closed and that the academy has actually come into being.
“The ringleaders involved in the incident have been severely sanctioned.
The majority of our students have responded positively and maturely to the changes.
“We have significant support from most of our parent body who want to work with us in focusing on our core purpose of teaching and learning.”
Mrs Johnson said that the school had firm guidelines and boundaries in place and that students were not out of control.
Some students have been excluded from the school but it is not known exactly how many.
In a separate lunchtime demonstration last week pupils on the former Grove Park site called for their own schools back.
Mrs Johnson said on that occasion the students returned to classes immediately after senior staff told them to go to lessons.
Meanwhile parents have complained that teachers working across the academy’s two sites are not arriving on time for lessons because they keep missing the link bus.
One parent, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “When they miss the bus link they leave pupils unsupervised in classrooms to play on computers.”
Mrs Johnson admitted that there had been problems as staff got used to the new bus link system between the two sites.
She said: “On a very few occasions there were problems with the buses, but senior staff transported teachers in their own cars.
“Now that teachers have become accustomed to travelling between the two sites, we don’t foresee any further issues.”
Councillor Peter Baillie, Southampton’s Cabinet member for education said: “The predecessor schools have closed.
“We have a new academy. It’s time for all pupils and all staff to move on and ensure that the new academy is a success.”
goard, Southampton says...
10:23am Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
10:40am Mon 20 Oct 08
mazzie, southampton says...
10:41am Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
10:48am Mon 20 Oct 08
Northamboy, Southampton says...
10:59am Mon 20 Oct 08
Miles Sway, Scotland says...
11:18am Mon 20 Oct 08
Tom Bargate, Southampton says...
11:19am Mon 20 Oct 08
Mr E, Eastleigh says...
11:19am Mon 20 Oct 08
JulieBobs, Southampton says...
11:22am Mon 20 Oct 08
Miles Sway, Scotland says...
11:38am Mon 20 Oct 08
Tom Bargate wrote:Mine have too, and presumably like you it's largely down to responsible parenting and a good upbringing to know right and wrongs etc.
Northamboy, I don't agree with your views on corporal punishment. Somehow my son has turned into a polite, helpful, considerate and hardworking teenager without the benefit of slipper, ruler, cane or even a raised hand. But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
vermin, toytown says...
12:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Mad Max, The Prairies says...
12:09pm Mon 20 Oct 08
mazzie wrote:Just reading these comments reminded me of an article a few weeks ago on this very site about the new Oasis Lordshill, and it appears the parents were saying the same thing....
My daughter was in yr 8 at the mayfield academy (grove rd site) & she has had nothing but problems since starting in sept. I have approached the staff on a number of occassions with concerns about bullying but i might as well bang my head against a brick wall. The fact that its boys doing the bullying makes things worse.... we are now looking at an alternative school today with the intention of moving her else where. When she was in yr 7 at woolston language college she had the best academic year since starting school... & that is going to waste due to the staff at mayfield not seeming to give a crap about the pupils.
Northamboy, Southampton says...
12:13pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Tom Bargate wrote:
Northamboy, I don't agree with your views on corporal punishment. Somehow my son has turned into a polite, helpful, considerate and hardworking teenager without the benefit of slipper, ruler, cane or even a raised hand.
But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
woolstonstudents, southampton, woolston says...
12:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
enidx, southampton says...
12:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
year11parent, bitterne says...
12:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Bright Spark, Stubbington says...
12:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
12:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
woolstonstudents wrote:woolstonstudents, if you read my post correctly you will realise that the only individuals I labelled 'chav scum' are those students actually directly responsible for this reprehensible behaviour. I have no doubt they are in the minority, but unless challenged and appropriately disciplined they will only serve to tarnish the good nature and hard work of the majority of students at Oasis Mayfield.
As students at oasis mayfield, we are offended and upset about being called chav scum by forest resident. We are young people trying to get the best education we can in a less than perfect situation. I wonder how forest resident would have reacted to being called the same when he or she was at school. As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns. All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students. Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.
goard, Southampton says...
1:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
1:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:Yeh brilliant idea. Erm.
Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.
Mad Max, The Prairies says...
1:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Give them to science for research.... at least that would keep the anti-animal testing people happy....
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
1:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:No, you allow them to be fostered/adopted by the large number of highly capable couples who are unfortunate enough to not be able to have children of their own.
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
year11parent, bitterne says...
2:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:These previous comments are unbelievable- kids really have something to look up to don't they! you are all missing the point - the new school is not working - nobody will listen to parents or students - you are all very quick to judge when frustration boils over - IT WAS WRONG WHAT HAPPENED - but look beyond the over dramatised account of damage. there are many voices wanted to be heard but you all want them beaten down - "children should been seen and not heard stopped along time ago" if you took the time to listen you would be impressed by them.
woolstonstudents wrote: As students at oasis mayfield, we are offended and upset about being called chav scum by forest resident. We are young people trying to get the best education we can in a less than perfect situation. I wonder how forest resident would have reacted to being called the same when he or she was at school. As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns. All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students. Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.woolstonstudents, if you read my post correctly you will realise that the only individuals I labelled 'chav scum' are those students actually directly responsible for this reprehensible behaviour. I have no doubt they are in the minority, but unless challenged and appropriately disciplined they will only serve to tarnish the good nature and hard work of the majority of students at Oasis Mayfield.
baz1, southampton says...
2:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Finlay, Des Moines Iowa says...
2:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
karlzimmermann@btinternet.com, woolston southampton says...
3:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Denzil, Chilworth says...
3:15pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Northamboy wrote:Your first paragraph was possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen written on the internet. You are joking right? No wonder all you old people are so grumpy. Fair play the kids involved for making their points noticed. It also sounded like a right laugh.
The cane, slipper, ruler, stay behind after school, no more gadgets to keep them quiet, in bed by 8pm, not allowed out for a week at a time, speak only when spoken to, no pocket money. All of the above is within the power of the schools and parents if only the threat of being prosecuted could be lifted by the namby pamby Government. I was a child in the 50s and that is exactly what I was A CHILD! not a young person or an 'individual with rights' At the risk of sounding like my dad "it never did me any harm" Lets get the notion of these children just being small adults out of the way, they are not small adults they are children and should be taught right from wrong and how to behave in private and in public. I will not respond if do gooders say "oh you cant do that" so don't bother to post up. The decent people in our society know that this is the answer and have been crying out for it for the past fifteen years or more. How did we let the do gooders get away with it over the past few years? They have changed our kids into mini adults without them being taught the basics of being taught how to behave in a decent society. 99% of children are good kids but the 1% are starting to drag the rest down to their level and it needs stopping before we lose everything decent about our kids. Of course all of the above will not happen and it will continue its downward spiral. Shame but this is England in the 21st century and we are stuck with it unless someone in power wakes up and removes the threat of the law from those who could make a difference, the parents and the teachers. This has been a complete waste of time writing this but at least I have had my say.
Barnabe, Fareham says...
3:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
3:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
asilryan, southampton says...
3:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
3:57pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath, says...
4:02pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
4:03pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:I agree with much of what you say, but to be honest I thought you were joking when you talked about parenting licences. It's logistically impossible to maintain. Lets not forget that these highly capable couples you speak of are 1) far outnumbered by the less suitable and 2) sensible enough to know that a small family is all they want
Georgem wrote:No, you allow them to be fostered/adopted by the large number of highly capable couples who are unfortunate enough to not be able to have children of their own.
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Anyone who kids themselves that there is not an increasing 'underclass' growing within society is clearly delusional. A decent upbringing begins at home and can only ever be reinfored by schools, and if the parenting is not sufficient then an ever increasing number of abhorrent generations will continue to develop and there is nothing that schools such as Oasis Mayfield can do about it. Why should those of us in society who work hard and pay our way have to put up with those who don't ruining society for the rest of us?
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
4:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
TaT, woolston says...
4:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
4:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
goard, Southampton says...
4:33pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
4:39pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student wrote:i completly agree with you in every aspect especally the bit"under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons." you are ablsulutly correct
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, "a small minority", the truth is that there was between 100 and 150 students who were all standing up for what they believe should be changed. It shocks me that Ruth Johnson would consider a "a very short space of time" to be almost an entire lesson. We may be children but we are not barbarians, under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons. The following day we were all gathered in the main hall where we were shown TVs with cables ripped off and ceiling pannels torn down. How can they say so little damage was done when we were shown this in one room alone. This wasn't our intention, it originally began with us making a stand to make ourselves heard. We were filtered through one set of doors in an attempt to get us to return to our classrooms. However tensions rose and one thing led to another. Whilst the vast majority of students do not condone what happened, it was a result of sheer frustration due to a lack of promised facilities. This was not a clash between students from the two old schools, but a stand against the new system and the lack of respect. The reason this all happened was because we aren't being listened to, and yet again it's a one sided portrayal of the truth in the newspapers. I hope this can shed some light on the situation.
supergirl, Southampton says...
4:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain, Shirley says...
4:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
4:53pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
4:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
4:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
4:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain, Shirley says...
4:59pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
5:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
5:03pm Mon 20 Oct 08
goard, Southampton says...
5:04pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
janee, says...
5:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Parent, Woolston says...
5:19pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:20pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Proodected, eh? *sigh* no further comment needed, I presume. Shame about those alugashions mentioned above, eh
i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctly
mayfield_student, Southampton says...
5:22pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
5:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath, says...
5:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Denzil, Chilworth says...
5:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Not accepted. Sorry, normally I couldn't care less about a spelling mistake, but in your case, you're arguing that you're ultra-well-educated whilst simultaneously proving that you're not. No, your predicted A and A*s are clearly not worth a toss, and should not be presented here with some "look at me!" flourish while you demand respect
predicted
sorry about spelling
Andy Locks Heath, says...
5:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
john do, southampton says...
5:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Alright, maybe I should have been more clear in that the "riot" was obviously not the way to go about things. I was actually complimenting their protest.
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
Nod, Southampton says...
5:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
craig123, southampton says...
5:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
5:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
hmmc5r, Southampton says...
6:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:This rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anything
Denzil, Chilworth says...
6:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Andy, your attempts at one upmanship are nothing short of pathetic. Please elaborate on where in Northamboy's post you think he is exaggerating, clearly he is not. Also, there is nothing worse than someone who goes round picking holes in people's spelling and grammar. Get a life you sad, desperate, lonely little man.
Well said Northamboy. If Denzil's too thick to understand your use of hyperbole to emphasise your point it's no surprise that he's also too dumb to hide the fact when he responds.
supergirl, Southampton says...
6:05pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
6:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
hmmc5r wrote:lol
john do wrote:This rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anything
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
goard, Southampton says...
6:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
sophie2763, Southampton says...
6:20pm Mon 20 Oct 08
keith007, southampton says...
6:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
melonjuice, southampton says...
6:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
AngrySotonResident, says...
6:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
mazzie wrote:My daughter is in year 9 on the Grove site and she to has nothing but problems with lack of disapline from teachers, teachers being late, we have had communication from the heads with regards to the school etc.
My daughter was in yr 8 at the mayfield academy (grove rd site) & she has had nothing but problems since starting in sept. I have approached the staff on a number of occassions with concerns about bullying but i might as well bang my head against a brick wall. The fact that its boys doing the bullying makes things worse.... we are now looking at an alternative school today with the intention of moving her else where. When she was in yr 7 at woolston language college she had the best academic year since starting school... & that is going to waste due to the staff at mayfield not seeming to give a crap about the pupils.
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?
Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
craig123 wrote:"Respect" is not given out quid pro quo. It's earnt. You don't get it automatically by return. That is pretty obvious, hence the lack of a reply. If you don't understand it without it being explained, you're hardly likely to agree with it
I am a student at oasis academy mayfield and i have to say that the teachers are not prepared for the travel issues i mean they have very little time to transfer from school to school because a lesson is ended early meaning that we are missing out on our education (not that im complaining) but how am i or any of my friends supposed to get a good mark if teachers dont even turn up when they are supposed to?
The protest on the field was about the school uniform and that we want respect
a teacher said to me "i think us teachers deserve respect"
and my friend said " why should we give you respect if you give us none in return?"
which the teacher had no reply too.
paul b, Mottisfont says...
6:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:Good for you. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't think what's been reported here counts as "a protest". A bunch of petulant schoolkids throwing a group tantrum, that's all it was
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Alright, maybe I should have been more clear in that the "riot" was obviously not the way to go about things. I was actually complimenting their protest.
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
God knows what little book you're on about. I've been on plenty of protests.
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
supergirl wrote:Of course I don't. What's your point?
Geaorgem you speak a load of rubbish u dnt kno what its like to go to this school !!1
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got?
Georgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
john do, southampton says...
6:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
argh, says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
cheeky cat, southampton says...
6:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
6:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:u go to my school 4 a day and i bet u will end up walking out
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:48pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Who was being sarcastic?
Georgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
So by your argument, because you went to school, you understand everything that goes on in schools enough to make a reasonable argument about a topic involving one? And has no-one ever told you that everyone is unique? I've spent time around human beings, yet i wouldn't say i know how everyone thinks. Besides, most of these people arent saying rioting would have the desired affect, but there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
6:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:I don't need to. I've been to school. Point refuted.
Georgem wrote:u go to my school 4 a day and i bet u will end up walking out
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
6:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
6:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:What are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
another thing
i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach us
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then?
kfnnnp wrote:Who was being sarcastic? So, tell me, what exactly has your little tantrum achieved? Got your own way yet? You're right, there is a difference between rioting and protesting. Protesting doesn't tend to involve smashing things upGeorgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. So by your argument, because you went to school, you understand everything that goes on in schools enough to make a reasonable argument about a topic involving one? And has no-one ever told you that everyone is unique? I've spent time around human beings, yet i wouldn't say i know how everyone thinks. Besides, most of these people arent saying rioting would have the desired affect, but there's a difference between rioting and protesting.kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?
john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then?
And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrum
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:57pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:But isn't the children's argument entirely centred around their demands to have a say? With that comes responsibility, you can't have it both ways.
Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?
john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school?
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
7:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Having a say is different to making changes to teachers working timetables and the way the school is run. I'm saying students should be able to suggest improvements and be listened to, not be forced to carry out those improvements themselves. If a six year old kid asks for a new bulb in his nightlight, you wouldn't force him to go out, buy one and switch them over.
kfnnnp wrote:But isn't the children's argument entirely centred around their demands to have a say? With that comes responsibility, you can't have it both ways. Either you think you have a say, and think you're entitled to involve yourself in school matters, in which case what happened is an unacceptable way to go about it. Or you DON'T think you have a say, and - like you claim - it's up to the management to sort it out, and this really WAS just a tantrum. Which is it?Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
tony00, weston says...
7:04pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
janee, says...
7:10pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
obelisker, Southampton says...
7:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:15pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man wrote:Condor Man, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. The complaints about the uniform were that the ascadamy had signed a deal with one retailer, who charges increased margins because he has (in theory) a captive market. Neither my child, nor his friends are 'feral brats', and I care desperately about the quality of education my son is (or in this case isn't) getting.
what a sad indictment of this failing city. I like the comments made by parents,shows how much they don't care about their kids or the school. It shows what a society we have become. A few weeks ago parents were complaining about the cost of school uniform- I suppose because they wanted to spend the money on themselves instead. High quality education is wasted on these people (parents and kids). Not even animals would treat their environment so badly. We should return to grammar schools for the bright and dump the rest in pens where they can live like the feral brats they've been brought up to be. Southampton RIP
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
7:18pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:lol very observant George, I was half-contemplating typing up that whole exchange between Karl and Mr Vernon (my favourite piece of dialogue in my favourite movie, wouldn't you know?). However, yes, I know there's quite a spectrum of stand-points between these two extremes. Apologies, I was caught up in the (to me) rather romantic prospect of students rising up and being noticed, and then using the power of the press to get their real points across which they have been doing.
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
I pity the fool who can only see in black and white. There's a huge amount of ground between being a meek yes-man and being a riotous moron
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:21pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jaysie, southampton says...
7:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
JillyBee, Portswood says...
7:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
hmmc5r wrote:I was wondering how long it would be before someone remembered Mrs Johnson's track record. She went from Regent's Park to Cantell, to replace the excellent David Burge, and by all accounts managed to cause colossal ill-feeling and loss of morale in a very short space of time.
john do wrote: students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anythingThis rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
tony00, weston says...
7:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem, Southampton says...
7:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Petty quarrels? I see. What do they have to do with the students at your school? Quite a lot. Why you think your insular problems are the only thing that matter is, frankly, beyond me.
Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school?
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
As for your peer pressure suggestion, generally if they've reached years 10 and 11 without being influenced to change, the probably aren't going to. better to kick them out of the school all together, which unfortunately I don't have the power to do.
Georgem, Southampton says...
7:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:I, too, like the idea of students - anyone - rising up and making their point. This incident, though, fails to qualify IMHO.
Georgem wrote:lol very observant George, I was half-contemplating typing up that whole exchange between Karl and Mr Vernon (my favourite piece of dialogue in my favourite movie, wouldn't you know?). However, yes, I know there's quite a spectrum of stand-points between these two extremes. Apologies, I was caught up in the (to me) rather romantic prospect of students rising up and being noticed, and then using the power of the press to get their real points across which they have been doing.
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
I pity the fool who can only see in black and white. There's a huge amount of ground between being a meek yes-man and being a riotous moron
History teaches us that when a group of people are being oppressed or ignored, it takes more than a few letters to get their point heard. Sometimes drastic actions are required. And although I don't condone violence, or vandalism, or destruction, desperate times call for desperate measures. In the aftermath, offenders are brought to justice, lives are sacrificed (or, in this case, excluded from school) but the desired effect has been accomplished. This is the most active thread of discussion on the local paper's website, pupils' voices are being heard, not just to be filed away by bureaucrats, but to be acknowledged by the city.
What's happened has happened, now is the time for debate, reflection and for changes to be implemented.
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:39pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Portswood Pete, Portswood says...
7:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Treas, Sholing says...
7:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do, southampton says...
7:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Portswood Pete wrote:i completely agree
Ruth Johnsons half-baked ideas on discipline are mainly to blame.
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:54pm Mon 20 Oct 08
TaT, woolston says...
7:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
RJG, Bitterne Park says...
7:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Mr Galilei, Winchester says...
8:05pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Nuttymegz94, Southampton says...
8:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Nuttymegz94, Southampton says...
8:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jaysie wrote:I actually suggested that to my friend in the playground this morning, I'm actually quite happy someone else has said that! However, It's more lack of discipline than anything, perhaps if they kept our classes Woolston/Grove, then it might be able to solve some problems, it works in year 11, why not for year 10? And other years? Just a thought.
my son attended woolston school in year 7 in sept 2007 he would walk to school wich would take about 20 minutes and was doing well in lessons,since moving up to year 8 at the grove site his journey now takes between 30-40 minutes,he doesnt like the school but where is he supposed to go?what they should do is put all woolston pupils at woolston & all the new year sevens & grove pupils at the grove site.They should never have mixed the two schools as there was bound to be trouble. My son is not a chav & he does not come from a broken home he has two parents who are concerned about his education and his safety when he is at school. It seems the teachers have no control at either site.
AngrySotonResident, says...
8:41pm today Mon 20 Oct 08
saintblonde, Southampton says...
8:41pm today Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain, Shirley says...
8:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
usercats4856@aol.com, southampton says...
8:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
8:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
8:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:shame on me. imagine commenting about problems in school on a news report about our school. No, i should have gone to a barely related thread to whine about how everyone is an idiot unless they agree with me, even though i have nothing valuable to say about the report itself.
kfnnnp wrote:Petty quarrels? I see. What do they have to do with the students at your school? Quite a lot. Why you think your insular problems are the only thing that matter is, frankly, beyond me. Case dismissed.Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school? As for your peer pressure suggestion, generally if they've reached years 10 and 11 without being influenced to change, the probably aren't going to. better to kick them out of the school all together, which unfortunately I don't have the power to do.Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
saintblonde, Southampton says...
8:59pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:English not being one of them I presume? Sorry to be unkind but your spelling and grammer speak volumes about the standard of learning you poor kids are recieving. Two words for you.......spell check!
i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctly
19smudge66, sholing says...
9:08pm Mon 20 Oct 08
saintblonde, Southampton says...
9:08pm Mon 20 Oct 08
saintblonde wrote:Clearly I need it too! I before E except after C.
john do wrote: i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctlyEnglish not being one of them I presume? Sorry to be unkind but your spelling and grammer speak volumes about the standard of learning you poor kids are recieving. Two words for you.......spell check!
saintblonde, Southampton says...
9:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student wrote:It was the stupid woman who decided to close Woolston who is to blame. It started with her. Don't forget that! Whoever had the misfortune to inherit her ridiculous decision had a poisoned chalice to deal with from the start.
Councillor Baille made the decision to give our schools to Oasis he is responsible for this mess.
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
9:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Treas, Sholing says...
9:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Rob444, Southampton says...
9:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
9:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
bradd, southampton says...
9:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
9:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
9:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Worried of Woolston, southampton says...
9:47pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
9:47pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:Oh, so we're just commenting to slag off Oasis?
'Condor man' if you look at the results of Grove Park this year. They are pretty high. So it aint a falling school. Stop being so judge-mental about the schools. Were not commenting to slag Grove park or Woolston off. Its about Oasis.
been there before, hedge end says...
9:54pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
been there before wrote:Woolston was already one of the best schools in the city before the change, so thats not particularly encouraging.
"And anyone defending her here has" either never met her or is related. I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her! All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school! If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson. It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school. As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job. Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children. Too many people listen to a small minority. There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty. So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
Treas, Sholing says...
10:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Well said young kfnnnp. That's the spirit! Of course Woolston School's independence can be reinstated. If enough people stand up and be counted, anything can be achieved. I wish you all well.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
LucilleBall, Southampton says...
10:02pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:This is not the case. It IS a permenant decision whether you want to accept it or not! Accept it! There is no more you can do. Whilst you cant bring back woolston or grove, you can work with staff, students and communtiy members to get Oasis working at the highest standards. This is not WW2 ! Mrs Johnson is NOT Hitler! She is our principal and she WILL be respected and so will her decisions. End of Story.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
10:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man wrote:Condor man please be honest if you have an agenda. Weston was not failing and neither did it merge with Woolston grove Park did. And Grove was not failing either or anywhere near it. Unless you consider regularly winning inter city competitions for languages music and sport amongst many others as failing, not to mention winning the English schools national Football cup 3 years ago winning (as the title suggests) national recognition for the school and the city. If you have an agenda be honest enough to state it, if you are ill informed or just mischief making please have respect for what is a serious issue concerning many parents and young people. you should be ashamed. And been there before hedge end, the level of anger and frustration directed towards Mrs Johnston is not a result of anything other than evidence experience of a nasty, emotionally detached cold woman who is completely unsuited to the pupils in this school. Do you think suspending a teacher by email for breaking up a fight or ignoring all requests for dialouge sounds like a person you would want to work for or have in charge of your children. She is unfit for the job. End of story.
Woolston was victim of it's location- the site was just too small to cope with the pupil numbers. It's sad that it had to merge with a failing school like Weston.
Treas, Sholing says...
10:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:Let's have a full and open debate then, without the constraints of political dogma. Moreover, let people like kfnnnp have their say. Woolston School was traditionally an excellent place of learning. If enough people want it reinstated they should be allowed to make their case, freely and without suppression.It is refreshing to learn that coercion is being opposed in Woolston, as much as it was it my day. All power to free speech.
kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?This is not the case. It IS a permenant decision whether you want to accept it or not! Accept it! There is no more you can do. Whilst you cant bring back woolston or grove, you can work with staff, students and communtiy members to get Oasis working at the highest standards. This is not WW2 ! Mrs Johnson is NOT Hitler! She is our principal and she WILL be respected and so will her decisions. End of Story.
ginalara-x, southampton says...
10:19pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:22pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.
kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:yes, but the difference is, back then Oasis was a plan. An idea with potential. But now it has been implemented, and is quite frankly failing, there is a much higher chance of getting it back the way it was. It more than likely will take a while, but eventually, maybe, it will happen
I agree all power to free speech, especially as I attended Woolston School and I agree it was an amazing school. However, protest all you will, but this wont make a difference. If you read the Daily Echo back in March 2006, you would see me and a couple of friends trying to stop the closure of Woolston but we were not listened to then, why would we now? I also appeeared on ITV Meridian News. So therefore, we need to get on with our educational careers and gain the results we are expected to achieve, as Ex-Woolstoners making the memory of an amazing school live on through Oasis Academy Mayfield!
Treas, Sholing says...
10:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:I am sure you worked earnestly at presenting your case. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, you did not succeed. However, others may want to take the matter forward, and it is their right to do so. These matters are largely politically inspired, and in the "art of achieving the possible", the people of Woolston should have their voices heard without coercion. I would like to politely suggest that you renew your efforts and return to the charge!
I agree all power to free speech, especially as I attended Woolston School and I agree it was an amazing school. However, protest all you will, but this wont make a difference. If you read the Daily Echo back in March 2006, you would see me and a couple of friends trying to stop the closure of Woolston but we were not listened to then, why would we now? I also appeeared on ITV Meridian News. So therefore, we need to get on with our educational careers and gain the results we are expected to achieve, as Ex-Woolstoners making the memory of an amazing school live on through Oasis Academy Mayfield!
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:Well, there was this one guy, quite famous really. He died and was supposedly ressurected. Besides, a school is not the same as a person. A condemned establishment is easier to restore to its previous condition than a person.
Yes, people would support it but you need to get into your head... there will be NO change in schools. Woolston has CLOSED, Grove Park has CLOSED. Oasis Academy is OPEN ! Once dead, cant be brought back!
john do, southampton says...
10:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Yeah fair point. But we just dont know what to do. I would love to write a petition but the students are getting excluded for having there say.
Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:such a positive attitude. I'm not saying it will work, i'm saying it MIGHT work. Even a tiny chance is still a chance, and if you are so dejected and broken that you cannot even see that glimmer of hope, then thats no reason to try and snuff it out of everyone else
vicky ur dead right people just have to except it
lisa-southampton, southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Treas, Sholing says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:I am becoming very suspicious of your motives here. Why are you so adamant that what has been wronged, cannot be corrected. You use the upper case text in an aggressive way. Persuasion and reasoning may be better tools than edict. What have you to loose, if others succeed where you failed? Help them in their quest, you may have a lot to contribute
Yes, people would support it but you need to get into your head... there will be NO change in schools. Woolston has CLOSED, Grove Park has CLOSED. Oasis Academy is OPEN ! Once dead, cant be brought back!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:Well, legally, they shouldnt be allowed to exclude people for signing a petition, so if they try to exclude me for voicing my opinion, I could take them to court. See how much press coverage they get then. Or i suppose you could write the petition and have someone else present it, or just go over Oasis' head and take it to a higher authority.
kfnnnp wrote:Yeah fair point. But we just dont know what to do. I would love to write a petition but the students are getting excluded for having there say. If these changes dont take place soon, I will be willing to write a petition. The only thing stopping me, is the chance of beng excluded. Im in my last year, I am not willing to let my grades drop. Other people in the community could write a petition, but it would be best coming from a student or a member of staff. But can we risk it? (Sorry about my poor spelling! =] )Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
10 Minute Man, Bitterne says...
10:07am Mon 20 Oct 08
The failing teachers finally asked to do their jobs properly ? The feral chav kids being expected to do as they are told? Heaven forbid...