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Pupils go on rampage at city school
4:10pm Monday 20th October 2008
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PARENTS, teachers and union leaders are calling for urgent action after dozens of pupils went on the rampage leaving a trail of destruction at one of Southampton’s newest schools.
Eyewitnesses said that around 150 teenagers caused hundreds of pounds of damage after running through the corridors armed with bits of wood, smashing windows and trying to rip plasma television sets off walls.
Insiders say discontent has been simmering among pupils and staff since the school was formed in September by the merger of Grove Park and Woolston schools.
Teaching unions have threatened to ballot for industrial action if school chiefs fail to address their concerns about problems caused by timetables and the travelling between the two sites.
It is understood that they have set a deadline of November 3 for changes to be brought in.
The disturbance broke out at Oasis Academy Mayfield’s upper school site in Woolston during break time.
Police received a call about the incident from a mobile phone but when officers telephoned the school they were told that it was a “minor disturbance” and police were not required.
It came two days after a pupil allegedly threatened a woman teacher with a knife used in the school’s science lessons.
Police have launched an investigation into that alleged incident which is said to have happened in the classroom.
The school insists that no more than 40 students were involved in the disturbance last Thursday, no televisions or computers were damaged and repairs have already been completed.
Parents of pupils involved in the incident were called in to take their children home from school.
One parent,who did not wish to be named, said her children witnessed the rampage.
She said: “It started off as a demonstration to say being joined with Grove Park isn’t working, but turned into a riot with kids running through the corridors with bits of wood, bursting into classrooms and smashing windows all over the place.
“My kids said there were just loads of them. None of the kids are happy there.
They’re not happy with the way things are, so thought they would do a protest.”
Another person who contacted the Echo anonymously said: “Tensions have been rising since the start of term after the merger of the school with the former Grove Park/Weston Park Boys School in Grove Road.
“Many teachers are also unhappy with the disorganisation of the how the school is run.
“The pupils are also unhappy at the changes in the school.”
Bosses at the school considered the incident so serious that Oasis founder Steve Chalke visited the academy the day after to speak to pupils at the Woolston site.
Speaking about the latest incident principal Ruth Johnson said that when the lesson bell rang “a small minority” of students remained outside in the playground before some went into the building attempting to cause a disturbance.
She added that senior staff brought the situation under control within a very short space of time.
She said: “It is unfortunate that a small group of students and parents are refusing to accept that the predecessor schools have now closed and that the academy has actually come into being.
“The ringleaders involved in the incident have been severely sanctioned.
The majority of our students have responded positively and maturely to the changes.
“We have significant support from most of our parent body who want to work with us in focusing on our core purpose of teaching and learning.”
Mrs Johnson said that the school had firm guidelines and boundaries in place and that students were not out of control.
Some students have been excluded from the school but it is not known exactly how many.
In a separate lunchtime demonstration last week pupils on the former Grove Park site called for their own schools back.
Mrs Johnson said on that occasion the students returned to classes immediately after senior staff told them to go to lessons.
Meanwhile parents have complained that teachers working across the academy’s two sites are not arriving on time for lessons because they keep missing the link bus.
One parent, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “When they miss the bus link they leave pupils unsupervised in classrooms to play on computers.”
Mrs Johnson admitted that there had been problems as staff got used to the new bus link system between the two sites.
She said: “On a very few occasions there were problems with the buses, but senior staff transported teachers in their own cars.
“Now that teachers have become accustomed to travelling between the two sites, we don’t foresee any further issues.”
Councillor Peter Baillie, Southampton’s Cabinet member for education said: “The predecessor schools have closed.
“We have a new academy. It’s time for all pupils and all staff to move on and ensure that the new academy is a success.”
- See today's Daily Echo for the full story.
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goard, Southampton says...
10:23am Mon 20 Oct 08
Well, lets blame the Government! Kids are ruling us now but I do feel there are so many factions. Years ago kids should be seen but not heard but, of course, they have been encourage to express themselves; Partners breaking up; allowed to have every gadget new on the market AND in their bedrooms; and importantly, these DVDs on violence. Alright, most kids are not taken in by the violence but others have a penchant for aggressiveness and are now dangerously taking it out on the streets. We either go back to the 'dark days' or learn quickly how to discipline. Give power to the schools and then support them in their discipline; arrange for child to go to a 'back to basic' schooling and again discipline. Back up mums who are unable to control their offspring.
Well, its an idea, are there any more hints to stabalize society?
goard
Well, its an idea, are there any more hints to stabalize society?
goard
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
10:40am Mon 20 Oct 08
Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.
mazzie, southampton says...
10:41am Mon 20 Oct 08
My daughter was in yr 8 at the mayfield academy (grove rd site) & she has had nothing but problems since starting in sept. I have approached the staff on a number of occassions with concerns about bullying but i might as well bang my head against a brick wall. The fact that its boys doing the bullying makes things worse.... we are now looking at an alternative school today with the intention of moving her else where. When she was in yr 7 at woolston language college she had the best academic year since starting school... & that is going to waste due to the staff at mayfield not seeming to give a crap about the pupils.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
10:48am Mon 20 Oct 08
Kids being kids. Let's not pretend there was ever a golden age when all kids were well-behaved. Some might argue that the "back to basic" discipline to which goard is alluding does more harm than good, leaving the kids building up resentment and a lack of respect towards an oppressive power they couldn't question or disobey for fear of a good hiding.
If you want kids to respect society, then society needs to respect kids.
If you want kids to respect society, then society needs to respect kids.
Northamboy, Southampton says...
10:59am Mon 20 Oct 08
The cane, slipper, ruler, stay behind after school, no more gadgets to keep them quiet, in bed by 8pm, not allowed out for a week at a time, speak only when spoken to, no pocket money.
All of the above is within the power of the schools and parents if only the threat of being prosecuted could be lifted by the namby pamby Government.
I was a child in the 50s and that is exactly what I was A CHILD! not a young person or an 'individual with rights' At the risk of sounding like my dad "it never did me any harm" Lets get the notion of these children just being small adults out of the way, they are not small adults they are children and should be taught right from wrong and how to behave in private and in public.
I will not respond if do gooders say "oh you cant do that" so don't bother to post up. The decent people in our society know that this is the answer and have been crying out for it for the past fifteen years or more.
How did we let the do gooders get away with it over the past few years? They have changed our kids into mini adults without them being taught the basics of being taught how to behave in a decent society.
99% of children are good kids but the 1% are starting to drag the rest down to their level and it needs stopping before we lose everything decent about our kids.
Of course all of the above will not happen and it will continue its downward spiral. Shame but this is England in the 21st century and we are stuck with it unless someone in power wakes up and removes the threat of the law from those who could make a difference, the parents and the teachers.
This has been a complete waste of time writing this but at least I have had my say.
All of the above is within the power of the schools and parents if only the threat of being prosecuted could be lifted by the namby pamby Government.
I was a child in the 50s and that is exactly what I was A CHILD! not a young person or an 'individual with rights' At the risk of sounding like my dad "it never did me any harm" Lets get the notion of these children just being small adults out of the way, they are not small adults they are children and should be taught right from wrong and how to behave in private and in public.
I will not respond if do gooders say "oh you cant do that" so don't bother to post up. The decent people in our society know that this is the answer and have been crying out for it for the past fifteen years or more.
How did we let the do gooders get away with it over the past few years? They have changed our kids into mini adults without them being taught the basics of being taught how to behave in a decent society.
99% of children are good kids but the 1% are starting to drag the rest down to their level and it needs stopping before we lose everything decent about our kids.
Of course all of the above will not happen and it will continue its downward spiral. Shame but this is England in the 21st century and we are stuck with it unless someone in power wakes up and removes the threat of the law from those who could make a difference, the parents and the teachers.
This has been a complete waste of time writing this but at least I have had my say.
Miles Sway, Scotland says...
11:18am Mon 20 Oct 08
Well done Northam Boy - fully agree with the exception that alot of the parents need a good hiding too!
Unless something changes these kids will be having more deinquent offspring in the near future, heaven knows what they'll be like.
Unless something changes these kids will be having more deinquent offspring in the near future, heaven knows what they'll be like.
Tom Bargate, Southampton says...
11:19am Mon 20 Oct 08
Northamboy, I don't agree with your views on corporal punishment. Somehow my son has turned into a polite, helpful, considerate and hardworking teenager without the benefit of slipper, ruler, cane or even a raised hand.
But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
Mr E, Eastleigh says...
11:19am Mon 20 Oct 08
Putting Woolston and Weston schools together was asking for trouble.
there have been big fights between the pupils for years.
there have been big fights between the pupils for years.
JulieBobs, Southampton says...
11:22am Mon 20 Oct 08
Perhaps the Echo should check their facts before they print sensational headlines stating 150 children rampaged! My child witnessed the incident and said at most it was 20 pupils that were involved. Though this is a very disturbing incident unfortunately it was a time bomb waiting to go off suddenley putting aged 14-16 year old kids together who unfortunately have historically have resented each other.The 2 site organisation means some teachers turn up late for lessons as they are forced to work two sites and pupils that are in their final year of school are being taught by supply teachers. I cant wait for my child to leave!
Miles Sway, Scotland says...
11:38am Mon 20 Oct 08
Tom Bargate wrote:Mine have too, and presumably like you it's largely down to responsible parenting and a good upbringing to know right and wrongs etc.
Northamboy, I don't agree with your views on corporal punishment. Somehow my son has turned into a polite, helpful, considerate and hardworking teenager without the benefit of slipper, ruler, cane or even a raised hand. But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
Problem for a lot of kids nowadays is that their parents don't have a clue (or don't care) how to be responsible parents, and consider it's the state's job to do that.
vermin, toytown says...
12:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
My old school Weston Park ....amalgamating 2 schools with "history" should NOT have caused fights.
A well run school can make a huge difference to how pupils turn out, says me with my degree in my well paid job. Lets hope the school/parents/polic
e sort this out. Everyone deserves a chance and the badly behaved pupils should not deny the rest opportunities to achieve.
A well run school can make a huge difference to how pupils turn out, says me with my degree in my well paid job. Lets hope the school/parents/polic
e sort this out. Everyone deserves a chance and the badly behaved pupils should not deny the rest opportunities to achieve.
Mad Max, The Prairies says...
12:09pm Mon 20 Oct 08
mazzie wrote:Just reading these comments reminded me of an article a few weeks ago on this very site about the new Oasis Lordshill, and it appears the parents were saying the same thing....
My daughter was in yr 8 at the mayfield academy (grove rd site) & she has had nothing but problems since starting in sept. I have approached the staff on a number of occassions with concerns about bullying but i might as well bang my head against a brick wall. The fact that its boys doing the bullying makes things worse.... we are now looking at an alternative school today with the intention of moving her else where. When she was in yr 7 at woolston language college she had the best academic year since starting school... & that is going to waste due to the staff at mayfield not seeming to give a crap about the pupils.
Northamboy, Southampton says...
12:13pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Tom Bargate wrote:
Northamboy, I don't agree with your views on corporal punishment. Somehow my son has turned into a polite, helpful, considerate and hardworking teenager without the benefit of slipper, ruler, cane or even a raised hand.
But, that aside, none of these sanctions are apparently available in any school yet we do not see problems like we saw last week at Mayfield. Do you think it's worth considering that there may be a problem at the school even if we don't condone the way the pupils have chosen to draw attention to it?
I agree Tom so did mine but I did say 99% of kids are good kids.
I know for a fact that the threat of punishment was enough to stop or at least curtail the unruly element in my school. If they had not been stopped by the threat of punishment others would have followed their lead.
I am not for one moment saying corporal punishment is right but I am saying it does curtail the 1% and that in turn stops others following their example.
As I said nothing will change and it will continue as it is now but slowly get worse without some form of discipline in our schools and at home.
Oh well back to reality as I am off to Tescos :-)
woolstonstudents, southampton, woolston says...
12:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As students at oasis mayfield, we are offended and upset about being called chav scum by forest resident. We are young people trying to get the best education we can in a less than perfect situation. I wonder how forest resident would have reacted to being called the same when he or she was at school.
As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns.
All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students.
Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.
As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns.
All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students.
Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.
enidx, southampton says...
12:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I agree with some of you points northamboy. Society in general lacks respect. I am a young mother of 2 boys and I firmly believe that if you do not discipline and put boundrys in place early and learning that their is a consequence to their actions otherwise what hope have you got of sorting out problems when they are older. parents need to stand firmly behind figures of authority ie police and schools and stop believing that their little darlings could not possibly do such a thing. Children should have a "healthy respect" for adults.
Has the school informed the police after all criminal damage at a minimum is an offence.
I have said before, that these schools can only be as good as the pupils......
Has the school informed the police after all criminal damage at a minimum is an offence.
I have said before, that these schools can only be as good as the pupils......
year11parent, bitterne says...
12:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As a parent to year 11 student i feel cross that this has happened but feel it is wrong to blame us parents. The choice to close both schools and re-open a new one was completely out of our hands - us as parents and "STUDENTS" had many worries and concerns and we still do. We do not get replies to questions , the kids education is suffering (on both sites) IT WAS WRONG THE OUTBURST THAT HAPPENED - the students have concerns over their final year they need to be listened to "COME ON RUTH TALK TO US" you said in your letter home that it was us parents and kids that had the problem accepting the changes - your staff at the woolston site also seem have difficulties accepting it.
Bright Spark, Stubbington says...
12:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Feral children born of Feral parents. I feel sorry for the children who aren't involved with the chav dross families who ruin it for the others.
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
12:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
woolstonstudents wrote:woolstonstudents, if you read my post correctly you will realise that the only individuals I labelled 'chav scum' are those students actually directly responsible for this reprehensible behaviour. I have no doubt they are in the minority, but unless challenged and appropriately disciplined they will only serve to tarnish the good nature and hard work of the majority of students at Oasis Mayfield.
As students at oasis mayfield, we are offended and upset about being called chav scum by forest resident. We are young people trying to get the best education we can in a less than perfect situation. I wonder how forest resident would have reacted to being called the same when he or she was at school. As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns. All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students. Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.
goard, Southampton says...
1:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest resident, of course you are right, but unfortunately we are dealing with the chaff and the wheat. As boring as I appear - its a matter of 'being there' for our kids - naturally, they will be going into these chav arenas - but, somehow, we have to be there for them. It is almost a date with the devil - but stick by your kids albeit drug induced, drink or just sheer cussedness, we hate them but love them. We have all been there, nothing has changed - even 20 years ago teenagers were terrible to bring up. No advice, just keep in there parents!!
goard
goard
Georgem, Southampton says...
1:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:Yeh brilliant idea. Erm.
Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.
What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Mad Max, The Prairies says...
1:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Give them to science for research.... at least that would keep the anti-animal testing people happy....
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Forest Resident, Marchwood says...
1:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:No, you allow them to be fostered/adopted by the large number of highly capable couples who are unfortunate enough to not be able to have children of their own.
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Anyone who kids themselves that there is not an increasing 'underclass' growing within society is clearly delusional. A decent upbringing begins at home and can only ever be reinfored by schools, and if the parenting is not sufficient then an ever increasing number of abhorrent generations will continue to develop and there is nothing that schools such as Oasis Mayfield can do about it. Why should those of us in society who work hard and pay our way have to put up with those who don't ruining society for the rest of us?
year11parent, bitterne says...
2:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:These previous comments are unbelievable- kids really have something to look up to don't they! you are all missing the point - the new school is not working - nobody will listen to parents or students - you are all very quick to judge when frustration boils over - IT WAS WRONG WHAT HAPPENED - but look beyond the over dramatised account of damage. there are many voices wanted to be heard but you all want them beaten down - "children should been seen and not heard stopped along time ago" if you took the time to listen you would be impressed by them.
woolstonstudents wrote: As students at oasis mayfield, we are offended and upset about being called chav scum by forest resident. We are young people trying to get the best education we can in a less than perfect situation. I wonder how forest resident would have reacted to being called the same when he or she was at school. As always the people that were causing the problem are diffrent from the people that genuinely have concerns. All we want is to learn in a nice enviorment, and be listened to and respected by staff and other students. Please stop writing bad things about us as we did not want the school to merge but it happened anyway and we are trying to get on with learning.woolstonstudents, if you read my post correctly you will realise that the only individuals I labelled 'chav scum' are those students actually directly responsible for this reprehensible behaviour. I have no doubt they are in the minority, but unless challenged and appropriately disciplined they will only serve to tarnish the good nature and hard work of the majority of students at Oasis Mayfield.
baz1, southampton says...
2:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
This simplistic pathetic govt has THROWN money at schools thinking that state of the art equipment and buildings plus a change of title(i.e."academy") equals educational and behavioural improvement.IT DOES NOT- as this incident proves.]
However,what is proved is the uselessness of Mr Balls(the so-called Education minister) and his policy of bribing and spending e.g. free uniforms,huge salaries for Heads-£120,000 average,top of the range computers(free for teachers and many pupils) and so on.What is needed is a change of ATTITUDE from everyone where PERSONAL rather than material STANDARDS matter once again.
However,what is proved is the uselessness of Mr Balls(the so-called Education minister) and his policy of bribing and spending e.g. free uniforms,huge salaries for Heads-£120,000 average,top of the range computers(free for teachers and many pupils) and so on.What is needed is a change of ATTITUDE from everyone where PERSONAL rather than material STANDARDS matter once again.
Finlay, Des Moines Iowa says...
2:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
They dont like the schools amalgamation huh!
Tough! Life is like that but you dont see every Tom Dick & Harry smashing up the place just 'cos they 'dont like it.'
What they did was a criminal act of vandalism and if they think that it was a 'mature' and 'sensible' thing to do then the courts ought to treat them with the same mature and sensible manner that the laws of the land apply to those whose age is not a preventative barrier that afford juniors to be exempt from legal actions.
I know that 'everyone' was not involved but digging out the slime that initiated this and discovering the nucleus of scum regeneration may help to erradicate further riotous behaviour.
Tough! Life is like that but you dont see every Tom Dick & Harry smashing up the place just 'cos they 'dont like it.'
What they did was a criminal act of vandalism and if they think that it was a 'mature' and 'sensible' thing to do then the courts ought to treat them with the same mature and sensible manner that the laws of the land apply to those whose age is not a preventative barrier that afford juniors to be exempt from legal actions.
I know that 'everyone' was not involved but digging out the slime that initiated this and discovering the nucleus of scum regeneration may help to erradicate further riotous behaviour.
karlzimmermann@btinternet.com, woolston southampton says...
3:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
my year 8 son has been and is being bullied since the beginning of this
accademic year at Oasis Academy May-
field.This as taken the form of physical and emotional abuse. The teaching staff,especially Mr Purkiss
have tried to help but are powerless.We have been left with a child who wants to study but is terrified of going to school. Perhaps a change of school director weould help.
accademic year at Oasis Academy May-
field.This as taken the form of physical and emotional abuse. The teaching staff,especially Mr Purkiss
have tried to help but are powerless.We have been left with a child who wants to study but is terrified of going to school. Perhaps a change of school director weould help.
Denzil, Chilworth says...
3:15pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Northamboy wrote:Your first paragraph was possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen written on the internet. You are joking right? No wonder all you old people are so grumpy. Fair play the kids involved for making their points noticed. It also sounded like a right laugh.
The cane, slipper, ruler, stay behind after school, no more gadgets to keep them quiet, in bed by 8pm, not allowed out for a week at a time, speak only when spoken to, no pocket money. All of the above is within the power of the schools and parents if only the threat of being prosecuted could be lifted by the namby pamby Government. I was a child in the 50s and that is exactly what I was A CHILD! not a young person or an 'individual with rights' At the risk of sounding like my dad "it never did me any harm" Lets get the notion of these children just being small adults out of the way, they are not small adults they are children and should be taught right from wrong and how to behave in private and in public. I will not respond if do gooders say "oh you cant do that" so don't bother to post up. The decent people in our society know that this is the answer and have been crying out for it for the past fifteen years or more. How did we let the do gooders get away with it over the past few years? They have changed our kids into mini adults without them being taught the basics of being taught how to behave in a decent society. 99% of children are good kids but the 1% are starting to drag the rest down to their level and it needs stopping before we lose everything decent about our kids. Of course all of the above will not happen and it will continue its downward spiral. Shame but this is England in the 21st century and we are stuck with it unless someone in power wakes up and removes the threat of the law from those who could make a difference, the parents and the teachers. This has been a complete waste of time writing this but at least I have had my say.
Barnabe, Fareham says...
3:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
If it's all about pupil behavior then the all the schools would have riots. The emphasis needs to be on what is wrong with this school as an organization and from what I'm reading it seems there is quite a lot wrong with it. When politicians bring in these big changes I can't help thinking it's because their last change didn't work. Would they rewire their house to change a light bulb?
Is this school an improvement on the ones they closed?
Obviously not.
Is this school an improvement on the ones they closed?
Obviously not.
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
3:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
'Fair play the kids involved for making their points noticed. It also sounded like a right laugh.'
I am a pupil at Oasis Academy Mayfield currently in year 11, and I apalled that you find this exceptable for the students to act like this. I was one of the few children who turned up to my period 4 lesson and when I found out what had gone on I was quite francly shocked. In my view as a pupil i feel parents have alot to do with the attitude and behavior of their children in and out of school. Also, after talking to present students (alot from ex-grove park) I found that they thought by protesting enough, Oasis Academy Mayfield would seise to exist and the old 'Woolston School' and 'Grove Park' would return. They need to understand that no matter what is done these schools are not coming back ! Also, I would like to say that alot of this article is over exaggerated ! The ins and outs are simply that pupil AND PARENTS, need to get a grip on the reality of this situation and except the goods with the bads and make the new school as good as it can be. Because without the support of parents, how can we expect the children to respect the school and its belongings.
I am a pupil at Oasis Academy Mayfield currently in year 11, and I apalled that you find this exceptable for the students to act like this. I was one of the few children who turned up to my period 4 lesson and when I found out what had gone on I was quite francly shocked. In my view as a pupil i feel parents have alot to do with the attitude and behavior of their children in and out of school. Also, after talking to present students (alot from ex-grove park) I found that they thought by protesting enough, Oasis Academy Mayfield would seise to exist and the old 'Woolston School' and 'Grove Park' would return. They need to understand that no matter what is done these schools are not coming back ! Also, I would like to say that alot of this article is over exaggerated ! The ins and outs are simply that pupil AND PARENTS, need to get a grip on the reality of this situation and except the goods with the bads and make the new school as good as it can be. Because without the support of parents, how can we expect the children to respect the school and its belongings.
asilryan, southampton says...
3:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
The pupils don't have a problem intergrating with each other. It's the lack of organisation and wasting of time that they are annoyed with. (as are most of the teachers) We chose Grove Park because of the open space and facilities. Now my son feels like the Woolston Site is like a prison. They go to lessons with notes on the door sending them to another room only to find no one there and spend 15 mins asking the office where the teacher is. They are sent to and fro to each site. On one occasion they had a lesson at Grove Park and sent back to Woolston only to be sent back to Grove. I don't want my son wondering the streets whilst under their care. I never receive a call back when I telephone. Their "Day 10" seems to be a complete farce so far. We all were prepared for change but this Academy doesn't seem to be run as smoothly as Lordshill. Maybe Oasis should look at the Principle again.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
3:57pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I agree with Denzil. The kids had no choice about the merger and the parents weren't and aren't being listened to. The teachers have lost control as no consultation and therefore RESPECT was given to the kids and parents affected. Why should the school expect anything in return?
I trust the next generation of kids to bring us the revolution. And now I remember why I stopped posting on this site ;)
I trust the next generation of kids to bring us the revolution. And now I remember why I stopped posting on this site ;)
Andy Locks Heath, says...
4:02pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Well said Northamboy. If Denzil's too thick to understand your use of hyperbole to emphasise your point it's no surprise that he's also too dumb to hide the fact when he responds.
Georgem, Southampton says...
4:03pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Forest Resident wrote:I agree with much of what you say, but to be honest I thought you were joking when you talked about parenting licences. It's logistically impossible to maintain. Lets not forget that these highly capable couples you speak of are 1) far outnumbered by the less suitable and 2) sensible enough to know that a small family is all they want
Georgem wrote:No, you allow them to be fostered/adopted by the large number of highly capable couples who are unfortunate enough to not be able to have children of their own.
Forest Resident wrote: Bring in parenting licenses and then the chav scum offspring that cause such events will eventually cease to exist. Simple.Yeh brilliant idea. Erm. What do you do with any unlicensed kids? Put them down?
Anyone who kids themselves that there is not an increasing 'underclass' growing within society is clearly delusional. A decent upbringing begins at home and can only ever be reinfored by schools, and if the parenting is not sufficient then an ever increasing number of abhorrent generations will continue to develop and there is nothing that schools such as Oasis Mayfield can do about it. Why should those of us in society who work hard and pay our way have to put up with those who don't ruining society for the rest of us?
You'd soon find supply far outstripping demand
Who's to blame for this developing underclass? Councils whose advisors will happily - and I'm not making this up - tell teenage girls to get themselves pregnant in order to jump the housing queue and move out of their parents' home. They must shoulder at least some of the blame
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
4:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Aye George, and just as the number of new-born babies hits saturation point, the licensed parents will start importing better quality stock from China and Eastern Europe. We'll have baby mountains we won't know what to do with and no facilities to preserve them in case of future shortages. They'll end up in a landfill somewhere. Honestly, the Chav Baby Market must be the country's most wasteful industry, after construction.
TaT, woolston says...
4:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I dont think people realise how the choice of the Woolston and Grove was taken out of parents hands. We had deliberatley selected the senior schools for our children as countless other parents are doing now for the next year 7 intake in 2009. Both children and parents were not happy with the action but we have tried to remain positive about it for the sake of our children.My son is in year 9 and I have a daughter due to start in 2009 and the outlook for both of my children looks grim if the Teachers disputes are not heard. If we start with the this then everything for the pupils should hopefully fall into place but it isnt going to be easy and nobody said it would be. One question I would like to ask is, if this academy has so much funding then why were'nt another set of teachers employed just for the Woolston site ??? This would solve the problem of the Teachers travelling between sites and turning up late for lessons. I know this to be one of the main worries amongst Teachers, children and parents.There is also a lack of discipline at the Grove site with food fights which children are being injured in and the fire alarm going off every 1/2 hr due to pupils setting it off!!! This was never happening when my son was at Woolston!! All involved need a solution and fast. I hope the Head and Teachers of Mayfield are reading these comments - some of which are very valid and are from pupils and parents striving for help and are just not getting it. WHAT A SORRY SITUATION FOR ALL CONCERNED.
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
4:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, "a small minority", the truth is that there was between 100 and 150 students who were all standing up for what they believe should be changed. It shocks me that Ruth Johnson would consider a "a very short space of time" to be almost an entire lesson. We may be children but we are not barbarians, under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons. The following day we were all gathered in the main hall where we were shown TVs with cables ripped off and ceiling pannels torn down. How can they say so little damage was done when we were shown this in one room alone. This wasn't our intention, it originally began with us making a stand to make ourselves heard. We were filtered through one set of doors in an attempt to get us to return to our classrooms. However tensions rose and one thing led to another. Whilst the vast majority of students do not condone what happened, it was a result of sheer frustration due to a lack of promised facilities. This was not a clash between students from the two old schools, but a stand against the new system and the lack of respect. The reason this all happened was because we aren't being listened to, and yet again it's a one sided portrayal of the truth in the newspapers. I hope this can shed some light on the situation.
john do, southampton says...
4:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
i am a pupil of Oasis academy mayfield and i am year 10. i must say that the aligashions made by students and parents are true but that aligashions made by the head teacher are not true in any way. this riot carried on for about an hour. there was much destruction to the school environment but nothing that cant be fixed by a lick of paint and a few repair men. this time it is not the governments fault its is the head teacher and senior leadership team. this team have no idea what orginasishion or discipline is. mrs. Johnson has just been fed money by Oasis and they are getting paid by the government to do this so this is my parents and your taxes paying for the repairs. even though we have only been in the school for 5 weeks before that they had 7 week to sort things out. a week of that the princable, as she likes to be called was in Spain sunning herself. the aligashions about the teacher have a knife but against her stomach are completely true and that happened was the pupil that did this was excluded for the rest of the day. with conserved about the riot and it was a riot not a protest 7 pupils have been permanently excluded and 60 pupils excluded today. the problem is there is no student voice and the senior leadership team do not listen to you. they sit there behind there desks like snobs. the only way to get in contact with the princable is to send her an email saying you are going to take legal action against the school. i sent an email to her saying i was going to take legal action and later that day i got a call from someone within senior leadership. i did not receive that call from her herself. she has the tendency to delegate and do nothing herself. Steve Chalk came round the school on Friday and only came round and asked some of the pupils what are you doing ND THEN LEFT THERE WAS NO discouragement WITH REGARDS ON WHAT HAPPENED ON Thursday. WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RESPECT IS THAT IT WAS HAPPENED AND HE WAY NOT TO DEAL WITH IT IS NOT THROUGH RIOTS EVEN THOUGH IT SEAMS TO BE WORKING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DON'T HEASATATE TO EMAIL ME ON cloth234@live.co. and i will tell you the inside story.
john do, southampton says...
4:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctly
john do, southampton says...
4:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
and it was half the upper school which is 200 not 60 or 20 pupils
goard, Southampton says...
4:33pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Northamboy, don't be too despondent - there are so many issues to 'how to bring up our children' that it is so contraversial that that is what society is about. Unhappily, it is not our cup of tea, but society has to work out what it wants out of life and, indeed, what it is capable of. One can only put our points of view - don't let go tho' somehow we will infuse our children with our aim in family values.You can only give the children your values and loyalty to be for them. If they do not take it, then so be it , but always be there for them, within reason.
goard
goard
john do, southampton says...
4:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anything
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
4:39pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, "a small minority", the truth is that there was between 100 and 150 students who were all standing up for what they believe should be changed. It shocks me that Ruth Johnson would consider a "a very short space of time" to be almost an entire lesson. We may be children but we are not barbarians, under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons. The following day we were all gathered in the main hall where we were shown TVs with cables ripped off and ceiling pannels torn down. How can they say so little damage was done when we were shown this in one room alone. This wasn't our intention, it originally began with us making a stand to make ourselves heard. We were filtered through one set of doors in an attempt to get us to return to our classrooms. However tensions rose and one thing led to another. Whilst the vast majority of students do not condone what happened, it was a result of sheer frustration due to a lack of promised facilities. This was not a clash between students from the two old schools, but a stand against the new system and the lack of respect. The reason this all happened was because we aren't being listened to, and yet again it's a one sided portrayal of the truth in the newspapers. I hope this can shed some light on the situation.
john do, southampton says...
4:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student wrote:i completly agree with you in every aspect especally the bit"under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons." you are ablsulutly correct
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, "a small minority", the truth is that there was between 100 and 150 students who were all standing up for what they believe should be changed. It shocks me that Ruth Johnson would consider a "a very short space of time" to be almost an entire lesson. We may be children but we are not barbarians, under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons. The following day we were all gathered in the main hall where we were shown TVs with cables ripped off and ceiling pannels torn down. How can they say so little damage was done when we were shown this in one room alone. This wasn't our intention, it originally began with us making a stand to make ourselves heard. We were filtered through one set of doors in an attempt to get us to return to our classrooms. However tensions rose and one thing led to another. Whilst the vast majority of students do not condone what happened, it was a result of sheer frustration due to a lack of promised facilities. This was not a clash between students from the two old schools, but a stand against the new system and the lack of respect. The reason this all happened was because we aren't being listened to, and yet again it's a one sided portrayal of the truth in the newspapers. I hope this can shed some light on the situation.
supergirl, Southampton says...
4:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Hi im A 15 Year Old Student At oasis mayfield and im year 11 and taking my GCSE's. what it says in the echo is a load of rubbish!!!
1. no one had big blocks of wood.
2. it was not a small minority of the school it was like 3/4 of the school.
3. students did not go in to lessons straight away when senior management told them too.
4. and there where TV's damged and over 10 windows smashed!!
Also when i left year 6 i went to the school i and and my parnets choose which was good school where i actually learnt something. i did not sign up to go to Oasis Aacdemy Mayfield.THIS SCHOOL MUST BE THE WORST SCHOOL IN THE UK!!!
in english i have done no coursework or even work yet as my teacher cant control the missbehaviourd pupils. we are going to fail nearly all are GCSE's and none of the teachers care. i also need good results in english to do what i want in my future career. my parents has even complained to the school about this lesson but they didnt seem as if they were goin to do anything, they just said all complaints are hadled at the other site (grove site) and we would have to go up there.
also in science im do a applied science course where 60% of it is coursework. we dont even have a qualifed science teacher she is a old supply teacher and does not have a clue what to do . she tells us to copy out of books but all the pupils in my class know that this is coping and were not allowed to do this.
... so basically thats anothers main subject i need which im probarly going to fail.
also when we try to put are thoughts across to senior management they say your just going to have to get use to it.
i feel let down by the education system in this contry and would just like to thank them for ruining all of are educations.
some one help us!!!!!!
1. no one had big blocks of wood.
2. it was not a small minority of the school it was like 3/4 of the school.
3. students did not go in to lessons straight away when senior management told them too.
4. and there where TV's damged and over 10 windows smashed!!
Also when i left year 6 i went to the school i and and my parnets choose which was good school where i actually learnt something. i did not sign up to go to Oasis Aacdemy Mayfield.THIS SCHOOL MUST BE THE WORST SCHOOL IN THE UK!!!
in english i have done no coursework or even work yet as my teacher cant control the missbehaviourd pupils. we are going to fail nearly all are GCSE's and none of the teachers care. i also need good results in english to do what i want in my future career. my parents has even complained to the school about this lesson but they didnt seem as if they were goin to do anything, they just said all complaints are hadled at the other site (grove site) and we would have to go up there.
also in science im do a applied science course where 60% of it is coursework. we dont even have a qualifed science teacher she is a old supply teacher and does not have a clue what to do . she tells us to copy out of books but all the pupils in my class know that this is coping and were not allowed to do this.
... so basically thats anothers main subject i need which im probarly going to fail.
also when we try to put are thoughts across to senior management they say your just going to have to get use to it.
i feel let down by the education system in this contry and would just like to thank them for ruining all of are educations.
some one help us!!!!!!
john do, southampton says...
4:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student wrote:
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, you are completely right
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, you are completely right
john do, southampton says...
4:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
4 teacher have already gone within5 weeks and 6 more are going at xmas.
some of the teachers that have gone teach me and my class are having supply after supply and we are not getting anything done what so ever
some of the teachers that have gone teach me and my class are having supply after supply and we are not getting anything done what so ever
naimbrain, Shirley says...
4:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
To those children who were involved in this disturbance (and I suspect it's highly likely that you're reading this) I would suggest to you that your actions haven't won you many friends in the community, or improved the general understanding of the problems that the school merger has caused. I'm assuming that the 'riot' occurred because you are frustrated that no-one listens to your concerns.
I don't condone your actions, but what's done is done, and it has caught some media attention, i.e. this discussion board. You should be using this discussion board to air your grievances, and try to put your point of view across.
It's likely that the local council decision makers are also watching these comments (comments that they can't stifle or vet) so this really is your chance to be heard.
So 'fess' up (you can do it anonymously from a cyber cafe all you need is an email account), and tell us why it happened, and what changes you want made to avoid it happening again. You've got a chance here to give constructive criticism, and you'll be selling yourselves short if you don't take it.
Tell 'them' the politicians what you want, then the pressure is on them to either deal with your concerns, or to publicly ignore them. If you don't tell them what you want, then next time the broken glass starts flying they can turn around and say "It's not our fault, what could we do, these kids are making a fuss about nothing?" (coz that's what politicians do if you give them the chance).
Come on, if you're angry enough to smash the classrooms you must be angry enough to tell it the way it is, so tell, and make sure it their problem as well as yours!!
I don't condone your actions, but what's done is done, and it has caught some media attention, i.e. this discussion board. You should be using this discussion board to air your grievances, and try to put your point of view across.
It's likely that the local council decision makers are also watching these comments (comments that they can't stifle or vet) so this really is your chance to be heard.
So 'fess' up (you can do it anonymously from a cyber cafe all you need is an email account), and tell us why it happened, and what changes you want made to avoid it happening again. You've got a chance here to give constructive criticism, and you'll be selling yourselves short if you don't take it.
Tell 'them' the politicians what you want, then the pressure is on them to either deal with your concerns, or to publicly ignore them. If you don't tell them what you want, then next time the broken glass starts flying they can turn around and say "It's not our fault, what could we do, these kids are making a fuss about nothing?" (coz that's what politicians do if you give them the chance).
Come on, if you're angry enough to smash the classrooms you must be angry enough to tell it the way it is, so tell, and make sure it their problem as well as yours!!
john do, southampton says...
4:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
may i say teachers wanting to take action can not because they are being threatened with the loss of there jobs immediately and since there not run by the government theres nothing they can do
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
4:53pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Chav scum?
How dare you call us that. You obviously have no idea how horibble going to this school is.
I was part of the protest and part of the riot. This was the only way Mrs Johnson and whoever else is involved with Oasis would listen to us. We have tried other ways. I did NOT do any damage to the school. It got out of hand so i went back to my lesson. I protested because personally I hate this school and it needs to change.
Certain people have been excluded, some who was only part of the protest and not the riot. But others are still at school even though they was runnign round school ripping posters down and smashing windows. None of these rules or the 'Code of conduct' are applying to EVERY student. They are only applying to some.
I am a student of Oasis Academy, originaly a student of Wooslton. Us, the teachers and our parents DID NOT have a say in weither Woolston and Grove should be merged. If we had the choice then we would not go to Oasis. I am in my last year of school and this is why I cant leave Oasis.
''If you want kids to respect society, then society needs to respect kids.''
I totally agree with this comment.
People in my school are being excluded for wearing strippy socks, yet other students who are trashing the school or in my serious cases 'pulling knifes out on teachers' arnt being excluded?!
The students arnt upset over woolston and grove merging, yeah everyone is fine with this and were are starting to become mates. Its the way Oasis is treating us.
Oasis and Mrs Johnson care more about getting a good reputation, then they do about our grades and the students and staff being happy.
If they dont act now, this is going to become a serious issue. Even though it already is.
I want good grades at the end of year 11 and I want to know that i've worked my hardest whilst being in a HAPPY ENVIROMENT. I want to walk away with A*-C's. But they way the school is becoming is really starting down my positive attitude.
They need to change now and listen to the voices or the parents, staff and most importantly the students.
Bad shout Oasis.
How dare you call us that. You obviously have no idea how horibble going to this school is.
I was part of the protest and part of the riot. This was the only way Mrs Johnson and whoever else is involved with Oasis would listen to us. We have tried other ways. I did NOT do any damage to the school. It got out of hand so i went back to my lesson. I protested because personally I hate this school and it needs to change.
Certain people have been excluded, some who was only part of the protest and not the riot. But others are still at school even though they was runnign round school ripping posters down and smashing windows. None of these rules or the 'Code of conduct' are applying to EVERY student. They are only applying to some.
I am a student of Oasis Academy, originaly a student of Wooslton. Us, the teachers and our parents DID NOT have a say in weither Woolston and Grove should be merged. If we had the choice then we would not go to Oasis. I am in my last year of school and this is why I cant leave Oasis.
''If you want kids to respect society, then society needs to respect kids.''
I totally agree with this comment.
People in my school are being excluded for wearing strippy socks, yet other students who are trashing the school or in my serious cases 'pulling knifes out on teachers' arnt being excluded?!
The students arnt upset over woolston and grove merging, yeah everyone is fine with this and were are starting to become mates. Its the way Oasis is treating us.
Oasis and Mrs Johnson care more about getting a good reputation, then they do about our grades and the students and staff being happy.
If they dont act now, this is going to become a serious issue. Even though it already is.
I want good grades at the end of year 11 and I want to know that i've worked my hardest whilst being in a HAPPY ENVIROMENT. I want to walk away with A*-C's. But they way the school is becoming is really starting down my positive attitude.
They need to change now and listen to the voices or the parents, staff and most importantly the students.
Bad shout Oasis.
john do, southampton says...
4:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain,
many students have aired there views to teacher and steve chalk but nothing is happeneing. we just keep on getting ignored no matter what people do. and even though this riot has happened there has been no changes as of yet
many students have aired there views to teacher and steve chalk but nothing is happeneing. we just keep on getting ignored no matter what people do. and even though this riot has happened there has been no changes as of yet
jtj0994, Southampton says...
4:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I would just like to add that there have also been protests at the Grove site as well. Near 80 students marched onto the field for a much shorter duration of 10 mins, never the less it was for the same reason. The is complete disorginisation at the Grove site, which was one of the main causes for the protest. Considering we had an extra week off in the summer holidays, there are still crates un packed, which today, one person fell over and landed on the ground, being trampled by on-comming students. Most classrooms are unpainted and we have yet to get the resources that Oasis promised. Another reason is the fact that we are being controlled by senior management, that did not work at either of the predecessor schools, have not previously even been involved with either and some have not even worked in Southampton before, with the exception of Miss Johnson. How do they expect the more unruley children to listen to staff like that. Miss Johnson, who arrives in her flash car every morning, does not come into many of our assembelys and I very rarely see her walking around the school as Miss Hanly did at Woolston. She is obviously too busy with important guests, that are not even shown round the majourity of the school for the obvious reasons that its simply a pit. Also, the nicer parts of the school are off lmits to students. Students from years 8 and 9 have only just being put into mentor groups, again, despite the 8 week holiday so Oasis could organise things like that. We are also faced with the fire alarms ringing nearly once a day now, which is slowly improving. Our teachers arive, sometimes, nearly 10 mins late to lessons due to the spilt site. How are we supposed to learn in this kind of enviroment. My friend, last week, was hit in his nose with an apple thrown by another student and it is now fractured. I completly agree with the points that children are there to learn and not have fun, and some points even saying that children should not be heard. But the people making these points are not the people getting hit with food everyday or having to wait for the firebell to go off or even missing 10 mins of their lessons because the bus was running late. Who are they to tell us not to speak up and call us chavs when they are not the ones facing what mayhem is going on. Being a year 9 prefect, i try to get other students points to the senior managment, which was one of our responsibilitys, but they will simply not listen. And worst of all, is the fact that its not just students, its teachers, crying in the corridor, running through the school to catch the bus and having no base meaning they have to carry around 2 or more massive bags of resources and lesson plans. Some of our points are valid and i feel that we should be heard. If any of our staff are reading these comments, then can they please try and get our points to senior management because when we do, it simply does not work.
jtj0994, Southampton says...
4:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I would just like to add that there have also been protests at the Grove site as well. Near 80 students marched onto the field for a much shorter duration of 10 mins, never the less it was for the same reason. The is complete disorginisation at the Grove site, which was one of the main causes for the protest. Considering we had an extra week off in the summer holidays, there are still crates un packed, which today, one person fell over and landed on the ground, being trampled by on-comming students. Most classrooms are unpainted and we have yet to get the resources that Oasis promised. Another reason is the fact that we are being controlled by senior management, that did not work at either of the predecessor schools, have not previously even been involved with either and some have not even worked in Southampton before, with the exception of Miss Johnson. How do they expect the more unruley children to listen to staff like that. Miss Johnson, who arrives in her flash car every morning, does not come into many of our assembelys and I very rarely see her walking around the school as Miss Hanly did at Woolston. She is obviously too busy with important guests, that are not even shown round the majourity of the school for the obvious reasons that its simply a pit. Also, the nicer parts of the school are off lmits to students. Students from years 8 and 9 have only just being put into mentor groups, again, despite the 8 week holiday so Oasis could organise things like that. We are also faced with the fire alarms ringing nearly once a day now, which is slowly improving. Our teachers arive, sometimes, nearly 10 mins late to lessons due to the spilt site. How are we supposed to learn in this kind of enviroment. My friend, last week, was hit in his nose with an apple thrown by another student and it is now fractured. I completly agree with the points that children are there to learn and not have fun, and some points even saying that children should not be heard. But the people making these points are not the people getting hit with food everyday or having to wait for the firebell to go off or even missing 10 mins of their lessons because the bus was running late. Who are they to tell us not to speak up and call us chavs when they are not the ones facing what mayhem is going on. Being a year 9 prefect, i try to get other students points to the senior managment, which was one of our responsibilitys, but they will simply not listen. And worst of all, is the fact that its not just students, its teachers, crying in the corridor, running through the school to catch the bus and having no base meaning they have to carry around 2 or more massive bags of resources and lesson plans. Some of our points are valid and i feel that we should be heard. If any of our staff are reading these comments, then can they please try and get our points to senior management because when we do, it simply does not work.
naimbrain, Shirley says...
4:59pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
john do, southampton says...
5:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93
i completely agree with you. woolston and grove are merging and mrs.johnson is blaming the riots on the merging of us. she need to get a clue that it is not that and that you are not listening to us
i completely agree with you. woolston and grove are merging and mrs.johnson is blaming the riots on the merging of us. she need to get a clue that it is not that and that you are not listening to us
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
5:03pm Mon 20 Oct 08
We was not armed with planks of wood.
There was abotu 150 students not just a small amount.
Miss Johnson is only saying that to make it look less serious. When really she knows it was.
She was just stood there (when we was protesting) on the phone. She didnt even bother to ask any students 'why?' or ask for our opinion.
There was abotu 150 students not just a small amount.
Miss Johnson is only saying that to make it look less serious. When really she knows it was.
She was just stood there (when we was protesting) on the phone. She didnt even bother to ask any students 'why?' or ask for our opinion.
goard, Southampton says...
5:04pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Most of us want to belong, albeit to a school we have been brought up with. It is cruelty to merge schools and the powers that be have no idea of 'belonging'. It's not the kids, its the grown ups, do we really understand the feeling of 'belonging'. Who ever wants to go on to another school - allow this. but for goodness sake it can be like separating child from parents and siblings.
goard
goard
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I will also add that whilst we were stood on the field and all the teachers by the school were watching us, no one called senior managment until 10 mins into it. When they arrived they ran onto the filed wildly flailing their arms and suitably armed with a mobile phone. None of the teachers came onto the field to support them. Does this tell us that senior managment has lack of support from the teachers? Although i do not condone the actions that we took and do agree now that we could have gotten our points across in a more suitable manner, the Echo's exeagerations of the story have brought our concerns to the fore-front on the news. If this had not happened and this discussion board had not come to be, then how would have the students and parents and community have raised their concerns? Because the school if not listening to us.
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Because the school *is not listening to us.
janee, says...
5:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I don't support the way in which the students have protested, if the report is true. However, I am absolutely horrified by the abusive language used to criticise them. Clearly, the consultation beforehand and the planning for the new school were completely inadequate. I have a similar experience of the opening of an academy, where the interests of the students are trodden on by the pursuit of a political mantra.
The fact that New Labour and the Conservatives agree on this piece of education policy should tell everyone that there is something wrong with it! It is very expensive and it is not the success claimed.
Please, look more seriously at the issues involved, rather than hurl abuse at students and parents - the current students are being sacrificed for an experiment.
The fact that New Labour and the Conservatives agree on this piece of education policy should tell everyone that there is something wrong with it! It is very expensive and it is not the success claimed.
Please, look more seriously at the issues involved, rather than hurl abuse at students and parents - the current students are being sacrificed for an experiment.
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Mrs Johnson admitted that there had been problems as staff got used to the new bus link system between the two sites.
And now shes blaming the teachers. I was showing a teacher applying for a job at Oasis round the school the other day when one teacher ran straight through the crowd only to miss the bus. He explained that teachers are only given 3 mins to get from their lesson to the bus. The teacher I was showing round did not look totaly happy with the bus arangments.
And now shes blaming the teachers. I was showing a teacher applying for a job at Oasis round the school the other day when one teacher ran straight through the crowd only to miss the bus. He explained that teachers are only given 3 mins to get from their lesson to the bus. The teacher I was showing round did not look totaly happy with the bus arangments.
Year11 Parent, Woolston says...
5:19pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As a parent who had to listen to Mrs Johnsons 'presentation' before the merger I can understand completely how the kids are feeling.Mrs Johnson listens to no-one but herself and has alienated the parents, communities and most importantly the kids. Do the schools have student councils or any opportunities to air their views? Would anybody listen?
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:20pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Proodected, eh? *sigh* no further comment needed, I presume. Shame about those alugashions mentioned above, eh
i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctly
mayfield_student, Southampton says...
5:22pm Mon 20 Oct 08
What nonsense about the wooden bats and all that rubbish!
We all like the change, well most people in the school do, but its the way its being run is what we are not happy with!
At the end of the day we had no say in this decision at all!
We all like the change, well most people in the school do, but its the way its being run is what we are not happy with!
At the end of the day we had no say in this decision at all!
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Nice to see a load of spoilt kids moaning about their lot, and demanding "respect", not realising that demanding respect is probably the most sure-fire way to lose respect. That is, if they really do mean respect in the traditional sense, and not this new-fangled version of respect which translates roughly as "don't tell me what I can and can't do, adults".
john do, southampton says...
5:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
predicted
sorry about spelling
sorry about spelling
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
Andy Locks Heath, says...
5:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I'm very impressed with how articulate the students (pupils?) are on this thread, and how well they express themselves, but the spelling is often atrocious. Irrespective of the issues, don't you get penalised and corrected for poor spelling and bad grammar when you submit coursework?
Denzil, Chilworth says...
5:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
This sounds like the best school in the world. I wish I went there. These kids don't know how lucky they are.
jtj0994, Southampton says...
5:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I agree with mayfield_student, I over all enjoy the school and am looking at it in a posstive way but for me its just the way that there are still fire alarms going off, food being thrown and crates still in the corridors. I do not in any way condone what the upper school did because i feel that there are better ways of getting your view across rather then smashing things up and destroying televisions.
Georgem, Southampton says...
5:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Not accepted. Sorry, normally I couldn't care less about a spelling mistake, but in your case, you're arguing that you're ultra-well-educated whilst simultaneously proving that you're not. No, your predicted A and A*s are clearly not worth a toss, and should not be presented here with some "look at me!" flourish while you demand respect
predicted
sorry about spelling
Andy Locks Heath, says...
5:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
john do, southampton says...
5:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
5:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Alright, maybe I should have been more clear in that the "riot" was obviously not the way to go about things. I was actually complimenting their protest.
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
God knows what little book you're on about. I've been on plenty of protests.
Nod, Southampton says...
5:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Steve Chalke and his band of cronies should never have been given the go ahead to run these now branded schools.
By nameing both schools Oasis Acadamy, there is no sense of individuality or belonging.
and from the sounds of it, the organisation of them is a complete shambles.
Southampton council need to take these schools back ASAP before the happy clappy Oasis brigade cause irreparable damage to schooling in the area.
By nameing both schools Oasis Acadamy, there is no sense of individuality or belonging.
and from the sounds of it, the organisation of them is a complete shambles.
Southampton council need to take these schools back ASAP before the happy clappy Oasis brigade cause irreparable damage to schooling in the area.
craig123, southampton says...
5:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I am a student at oasis academy mayfield and i have to say that the teachers are not prepared for the travel issues i mean they have very little time to transfer from school to school because a lesson is ended early meaning that we are missing out on our education (not that im complaining) but how am i or any of my friends supposed to get a good mark if teachers dont even turn up when they are supposed to?
The protest on the field was about the school uniform and that we want respect
a teacher said to me "i think us teachers deserve respect"
and my friend said " why should we give you respect if you give us none in return?"
which the teacher had no reply too.
The protest on the field was about the school uniform and that we want respect
a teacher said to me "i think us teachers deserve respect"
and my friend said " why should we give you respect if you give us none in return?"
which the teacher had no reply too.
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
5:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I am a Year 11 student at the old Woolston site and I think it is necessary that the students should have a say in this. Why do parents of pupils and other adults feel they have a view to share when they weren't there and have no understanding of the situation. The press are being lied to, for instance when Ruth Johnson is quoted saying, "a small minority", the truth is that there was between 100 and 150 students who were all standing up for what they believe should be changed. It shocks me that Ruth Johnson would consider a "a very short space of time" to be almost an entire lesson. We may be children but we are not barbarians, under no circumstances were "bits of wood" used as weapons. The following day we were all gathered in the main hall where we were shown TVs with cables ripped off and ceiling pannels torn down. How can they say so little damage was done when we were shown this in one room alone. This wasn't our intention, it originally began with us making a stand to make ourselves heard. We were filtered through one set of doors in an attempt to get us to return to our classrooms. However tensions rose and one thing led to another. Whilst the vast majority of students do not condone what happened, it was a result of sheer frustration due to a lack of promised facilities. This was not a clash between students from the two old schools, but a stand against the new system and the lack of respect. The reason this all happened was because we aren't being listened to, and yet again it's a one sided portrayal of the truth in the newspapers. I hope this can shed some light on the situation.
hmmc5r, Southampton says...
6:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:This rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anything
Denzil, Chilworth says...
6:00pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Andy, your attempts at one upmanship are nothing short of pathetic. Please elaborate on where in Northamboy's post you think he is exaggerating, clearly he is not. Also, there is nothing worse than someone who goes round picking holes in people's spelling and grammar. Get a life you sad, desperate, lonely little man.
Well said Northamboy. If Denzil's too thick to understand your use of hyperbole to emphasise your point it's no surprise that he's also too dumb to hide the fact when he responds.
supergirl, Southampton says...
6:05pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Geaorgem you speak a load of rubbish u dnt kno what its like to go to this school !!1
john do, southampton says...
6:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
hmmc5r wrote:lol
john do wrote:This rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anything
i'm not suprised
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Firstly, I would like to point out that Oasis are severely downplaying the event- for example they claim that no TVs or computers were destroyed, yet in an assembly the day after this occured, a senior member of staff specifically directed the pupils attention to a broken plasma TV on the wall, not to mention the way they have lied about how many children were involved. Further to this, the senior management are using the merging of students as a scapegoat, when in fact the students are not fighting with each other, they are protesting about the way things have and are being done.
Secondly, the students have a right to protest against the way the management have ignored their opinions- admittedly, rampaging through the school is not the way to do it, but I don't see why people think they shouldn't even voice their opinions to try and get something done to improve their situation.
Secondly, the students have a right to protest against the way the management have ignored their opinions- admittedly, rampaging through the school is not the way to do it, but I don't see why people think they shouldn't even voice their opinions to try and get something done to improve their situation.
goard, Southampton says...
6:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year 11, you are right, we need to listen to you but unfortunately parents need to regain respect also. - It has always been: one bad egg contanimates the whole barrel. Keep going - its a matter of weeding out these bad eggs - and I say, without bullying. Keep going - parents have a big job trying to keep you all on the strait and narrow - boring but part of balance of our society.
goard
goard
sophie2763, Southampton says...
6:20pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As a student at Oasis Academy Mayfield,(the grove site) i think the report today was, as to be expected of a tabloid newspaper, blown out of proportion. If other schools in Southampton manage to have control other the pupils then what makes this school any different? I don't think anyone is seriously to blame for the incidents that have reccently occured but there is a lot more that could of and should of been done to make this easier. But i think to call it a "rampage" was ridiculously blown out of proportion and i think what should be consisered is that we, being the pupils are not the only ones to blame for this.
keith007, southampton says...
6:27pm Mon 20 Oct 08
My son attends oasis accadamy He came from Grove park. both schools are very disruptive ,children walking out of school when they fell like it even my own son. there are some pupils in thoses schools that think that they can do what they like.Grove Park and Woolston should have never been mixed as there has allways been problems in the past with fighting between both schools. Those pupils how were involved in that weeks rampage should never be allowed to attend the school again.as far as the knife incident that pupil should be dealt with by the police.
Some of the teachers have to travel to the Grove park site Why there should be enough teachers to teach the pupils in each schools.
and as regards to the head teacher Ruth Johnson I think she should be sacked on the spot for not dealing with the the real issues such as bulling, pupils not turning up for school and not informing the parents of those pupils,. She should be giving those teachers her full support and not saying that that there is not a problem at the school when there is. Those teachers are there to teach not to put up with pupils how behave like animals.
Some of the teachers have to travel to the Grove park site Why there should be enough teachers to teach the pupils in each schools.
and as regards to the head teacher Ruth Johnson I think she should be sacked on the spot for not dealing with the the real issues such as bulling, pupils not turning up for school and not informing the parents of those pupils,. She should be giving those teachers her full support and not saying that that there is not a problem at the school when there is. Those teachers are there to teach not to put up with pupils how behave like animals.
melonjuice, southampton says...
6:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I go to oasis academy mayfield at the grove site & i am quite happy there. Obviously it is a bit of a change from woolston school however we all have to deal with change. Me & my friends have no problem with moving schools as we have made friends & settled in well.
However many other students at the school haven't settled in as well as others. The riot at the grove park site consisted of 100 +people, not 40 odd. Most people joined in with the riot because they wanted to prove a point. Having a riot & everyone walking onto the grass isn't really the right approach, but they wanted to make a stand fast. This riot was about getting the grass back. The grove park site has a huge field & we only get to use it during P.E. When its a nice hot & sunny day everyone would love to go on the grass. We are told not to go on the grass because the new building work will begin. But thats not for a few years yet & we want to spend as much time on the field as possible.
I have heard that the upper school riot was because people did not approve of the change. Change happens & they will have to deal with it, but no-one had planks of wood & 2 windows were broken.
No-one is to blame for it & there are no ringleaders. Its not right to blame people, however it isn't right to punish everyone either.
Teachers need more control over the students in class, during break time & lunch time. They also need to arrive to lessons on time so that the students don't mess around & aren't as likely to cause such uproars.
One another thing is that, people that have commented here must not have much respect for the children, because we are not chavs, or chav SCUM. Thats just rude & we dont appreciate it. People like you make us not want to settle in. People will live up to the names they are given so by you calling them chav scum means they are gunna be chav scum.
Thanks, (:
However many other students at the school haven't settled in as well as others. The riot at the grove park site consisted of 100 +people, not 40 odd. Most people joined in with the riot because they wanted to prove a point. Having a riot & everyone walking onto the grass isn't really the right approach, but they wanted to make a stand fast. This riot was about getting the grass back. The grove park site has a huge field & we only get to use it during P.E. When its a nice hot & sunny day everyone would love to go on the grass. We are told not to go on the grass because the new building work will begin. But thats not for a few years yet & we want to spend as much time on the field as possible.
I have heard that the upper school riot was because people did not approve of the change. Change happens & they will have to deal with it, but no-one had planks of wood & 2 windows were broken.
No-one is to blame for it & there are no ringleaders. Its not right to blame people, however it isn't right to punish everyone either.
Teachers need more control over the students in class, during break time & lunch time. They also need to arrive to lessons on time so that the students don't mess around & aren't as likely to cause such uproars.
One another thing is that, people that have commented here must not have much respect for the children, because we are not chavs, or chav SCUM. Thats just rude & we dont appreciate it. People like you make us not want to settle in. People will live up to the names they are given so by you calling them chav scum means they are gunna be chav scum.
Thanks, (:
AngrySotonResident, says...
6:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
mazzie wrote:My daughter is in year 9 on the Grove site and she to has nothing but problems with lack of disapline from teachers, teachers being late, we have had communication from the heads with regards to the school etc.
My daughter was in yr 8 at the mayfield academy (grove rd site) & she has had nothing but problems since starting in sept. I have approached the staff on a number of occassions with concerns about bullying but i might as well bang my head against a brick wall. The fact that its boys doing the bullying makes things worse.... we are now looking at an alternative school today with the intention of moving her else where. When she was in yr 7 at woolston language college she had the best academic year since starting school... & that is going to waste due to the staff at mayfield not seeming to give a crap about the pupils.
The kids on the grove site held a protest on the field two weeks ago to demonstrate their anger at the new acadamy and the current failings. There was no need to close the two sites and for once I agree with the kids. There was nothing wrong with the Woolston Site and my daughters education was in good hands and it showed with vast improvements from Junior school now she is concerned that she will fall back due to the teachers and policies of the acadamy.
I fully agree with your comments mazzie my daughter also enjoyed her time at Woolston and comes home depressed.
As for craigs comments you have to earn respect, you are a minor and have to show maturity before you can have respect.
As for the comment of Ruth Johnson 1) the parent have had no news letters from you and your staff so as far as the parents are concerened you don't really care, 2) I think you will find that a MAJORITY not a minority of parents from the two sites disagree with this new acadamy
Councillor Peter Baillie, Southampton’s Cabinet member for education said: “The predecessor schools have closed.
And we have protested about there closure. We will have the schools back.
“We have a new academy. It’s time for all pupils and all staff to move on and ensure that the new academy is a success.”
This acadamy will never be a success until the curent year 7s reach their GCSE's as the acadamy pays these children more attention.
I hope there will be more protests in the very near future
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?
Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
I pity the fool who can only see in black and white. There's a huge amount of ground between being a meek yes-man and being a riotous moron
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
craig123 wrote:"Respect" is not given out quid pro quo. It's earnt. You don't get it automatically by return. That is pretty obvious, hence the lack of a reply. If you don't understand it without it being explained, you're hardly likely to agree with it
I am a student at oasis academy mayfield and i have to say that the teachers are not prepared for the travel issues i mean they have very little time to transfer from school to school because a lesson is ended early meaning that we are missing out on our education (not that im complaining) but how am i or any of my friends supposed to get a good mark if teachers dont even turn up when they are supposed to?
The protest on the field was about the school uniform and that we want respect
a teacher said to me "i think us teachers deserve respect"
and my friend said " why should we give you respect if you give us none in return?"
which the teacher had no reply too.
paul b, Mottisfont says...
6:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I bet the trouble makers mothers are on benefits
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:Good for you. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't think what's been reported here counts as "a protest". A bunch of petulant schoolkids throwing a group tantrum, that's all it was
Andy Locks Heath wrote:Alright, maybe I should have been more clear in that the "riot" was obviously not the way to go about things. I was actually complimenting their protest.
Gilmore wrote:The pupils display an intelligence that exceeds that of some adults such a Gilmore. This clown thinks that a riot is an example of unity and organisation, when anyone who has witnessed a riot knows that a riot represents a complete breakdown of structure and organisation. But then Gilmore gets his experience from a little book, not from reality
This is a great example of the power of uniting, organising, sticking together, for the individuals and the collective, for the oppressed and the ignored. Nice work, pupils of Oasis Academy.
"If the kids are united, then we'll never be divided."
- SHAM 69
God knows what little book you're on about. I've been on plenty of protests.
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
supergirl wrote:Of course I don't. What's your point?
Geaorgem you speak a load of rubbish u dnt kno what its like to go to this school !!1
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got?
Georgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.
john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple really
john do, southampton says...
6:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
So by your argument, because you went to school, you understand everything that goes on in schools enough to make a reasonable argument about a topic involving one? And has no-one ever told you that everyone is unique? I've spent time around human beings, yet i wouldn't say i know how everyone thinks. Besides, most of these people arent saying rioting would have the desired affect, but there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
argh, says...
6:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Right for a start I am a pupil in year nine at oasis academey mayfield on the grove site. yes its a bit different. I have setttled in and so have my friends.
Things are handle in completely the wrong way at the school.
Am I supprised this happened?
No.
My problems are...
Staff would radther prioritise uniform over bullying
Teachers don't have the time, yes okay its not there fault.
My main concern is that i dont think management are doing as much as they say they do.
Its all for show, Plasma screens & and spotless stairwells.They dont really care about the kids with the problems with the school. They wont listen to the kids.
So the kids take action and try and show the school what its sweeping under the rug.
Things are handle in completely the wrong way at the school.
Am I supprised this happened?
No.
My problems are...
Staff would radther prioritise uniform over bullying
Teachers don't have the time, yes okay its not there fault.
My main concern is that i dont think management are doing as much as they say they do.
Its all for show, Plasma screens & and spotless stairwells.They dont really care about the kids with the problems with the school. They wont listen to the kids.
So the kids take action and try and show the school what its sweeping under the rug.
cheeky cat, southampton says...
6:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Hey I am 15 years old and currently attending oasis academy Mayfield and I’m in year 11 and currently taking my GCSE’s .I was one of the students that got caught up with this rampage and therefore got excluded for walking away from a deputy head teacher as she grabbed me which by law they are not allowed to do .what they say in the daily echo is all truth
1 there were no students going around with wooden blocks
2 it was not a small minority of the school it was at least most of year 11 student as well as a few of year 10 students.
3 when students were told to go to lessons the majority of them stayed in the playground.
4 there was also damage done to TV’s and over 10 windows were smashed throughout this event.
I have been attending Woolston School Language College since year 7 and have never been in trouble throughout my years in that school except the odd detention now and again .since the change of the schools my education has gone downhill and this is my important year for me. I don’t want to fail my GCSE but I feel that I am.
I’m doing an applied science course where 60% of it is coursework. We don’t even have a qualified science teacher she is an old supply teacher and does not have a clue what to do. She tells us to copy out of books but all the pupils in my class know that this is coping and were not allowed to do this. As this is called copy writes and we will zero for this piece of coursework.
In my English class we do not learn anything even though we have a brilliant English teacher the reason for us not learning anything is because she is always trying to settle the class and stop them miss behaving .we are constantly getting interrupted by other student from other classes as they get sent out of there class and then come and disrupted are learning .loads of student from my English class have complained about this situation but nothing seems to get done about this situation so we are all just left to deal with it ourselves.
I fill the reason for this rampage was because we are all board because we are not getting taught properly. And no students were getting listened to by the teachers at the school. Also who’s idea was it to put to schools that
Have been in rival with each other since god knows how long. The mix between these two schools has been the worst decision that the government could have ever made.
I fill very let down by the education board for letting this happen and ruining most year 11and 10 education .
1 there were no students going around with wooden blocks
2 it was not a small minority of the school it was at least most of year 11 student as well as a few of year 10 students.
3 when students were told to go to lessons the majority of them stayed in the playground.
4 there was also damage done to TV’s and over 10 windows were smashed throughout this event.
I have been attending Woolston School Language College since year 7 and have never been in trouble throughout my years in that school except the odd detention now and again .since the change of the schools my education has gone downhill and this is my important year for me. I don’t want to fail my GCSE but I feel that I am.
I’m doing an applied science course where 60% of it is coursework. We don’t even have a qualified science teacher she is an old supply teacher and does not have a clue what to do. She tells us to copy out of books but all the pupils in my class know that this is coping and were not allowed to do this. As this is called copy writes and we will zero for this piece of coursework.
In my English class we do not learn anything even though we have a brilliant English teacher the reason for us not learning anything is because she is always trying to settle the class and stop them miss behaving .we are constantly getting interrupted by other student from other classes as they get sent out of there class and then come and disrupted are learning .loads of student from my English class have complained about this situation but nothing seems to get done about this situation so we are all just left to deal with it ourselves.
I fill the reason for this rampage was because we are all board because we are not getting taught properly. And no students were getting listened to by the teachers at the school. Also who’s idea was it to put to schools that
Have been in rival with each other since god knows how long. The mix between these two schools has been the worst decision that the government could have ever made.
I fill very let down by the education board for letting this happen and ruining most year 11and 10 education .
john do, southampton says...
6:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:u go to my school 4 a day and i bet u will end up walking out
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:48pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Who was being sarcastic?
Georgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
So by your argument, because you went to school, you understand everything that goes on in schools enough to make a reasonable argument about a topic involving one? And has no-one ever told you that everyone is unique? I've spent time around human beings, yet i wouldn't say i know how everyone thinks. Besides, most of these people arent saying rioting would have the desired affect, but there's a difference between rioting and protesting.
So, tell me, what exactly has your little tantrum achieved? Got your own way yet?
You're right, there is a difference between rioting and protesting. Protesting doesn't tend to involve smashing things up
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
6:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
first of all lets be clear about one thing, the idiotic fascist type comments from people like forest guy are far more typical of whats wrong with our society than some kids venting their frustration at what has been a shambolic transfer from two functioning, successful schools to academy status. While it is certainly fair to say that now the change has happened it is irreversible, the unbelievable arrogance of this new head ruth Johnston when she claims that it is a minority who are causing problems as they are against the switch is at the heart of the problem. When i left Grove in July there was a happy, hard working staff whose primary concern was the wellbeing of the pupils and supporting one another and this was an attitude which drip fed down from the previous head. Pupils were happy felt safe and there was a genuine feeling of community amongst them. The fact that you Ruth have destroyed this atmosphere in under a half term is bad enough but your arrogance and refusal to accept the problems you has caused are unforgivable. The earlier post about Ruth and her 'fancy car' says it all. She refuses to discuss anything with staff holing herself up in her new office (which used to be sufficient for 4 people) and referring all enquiries to her secretary. I understand that on Friday 60 yr 11's were excluded or under threat of exclusion. This is a year group who were on course to be the most successful Grove had ever had (i know this as i worked more closely than anyone else with them in the past 4 years), and i know for a fact that high achieving, prefect standard pupils were among those refusing to return to classes on Friday. I dont excpect any change soon as arrogance like Ruth's and Steve Chalks (particularly when backed by religious fervour) is blind to criticism but any pupils or parents reading this please ignore the lies and propaganda. Grove Park and to the best of my knowledge Woolston produced for years exceptional young men and woman when nurtured properly by teachers who cared about them, and the current year 11 is among the best i have ever known. You should be proud of your children, not for any violent acts of course but certainly for having the courage to stand up to an unsympathetic, narccissistic arrogant senior management. Ruth Johnston hang your head in shame, you have no place even knowing these great kids never mind affecting their futures.
Education is about the children Ruth, not your ego. My wife (also a teacher for 7 years in the school) and i have nothing but great memories of the pupils and staff being discussed here, indeed we miss you all, and want you to know we are thinking of you and hoping this situation can be resolved as soon as possible. Stay strong.
Education is about the children Ruth, not your ego. My wife (also a teacher for 7 years in the school) and i have nothing but great memories of the pupils and staff being discussed here, indeed we miss you all, and want you to know we are thinking of you and hoping this situation can be resolved as soon as possible. Stay strong.
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:49pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:I don't need to. I've been to school. Point refuted.
Georgem wrote:u go to my school 4 a day and i bet u will end up walking out
john do wrote:This will be derived from your extensive years of experience in politics, will it? We're not in a dictatorship, but we're certainly not in a democracy. It isn't an either-or situation, y'know.
georgem
get a life m8
i think u should look up the words dictatorship and democracy be4 u start making comments about thing
Did you have anything to say about my actual post, or did you just want to pout a bit and act all hard-done-by?
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
6:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
What Miss johnson said is a lie
it took a whole lesson and some of another lesson to get it 'Under Control' which was like 1hour and 20minutes so if you class that a quickly well your abit foolish:P And there wasnt any wood haha + only a couple of windows got smashed which was abit out of hand ): but owells because of it something seems to be getting done so its not all bad :D
it took a whole lesson and some of another lesson to get it 'Under Control' which was like 1hour and 20minutes so if you class that a quickly well your abit foolish:P And there wasnt any wood haha + only a couple of windows got smashed which was abit out of hand ): but owells because of it something seems to be getting done so its not all bad :D
john do, southampton says...
6:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
another thing
i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach us
i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach us
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:What are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
another thing
i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach us
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then?
kfnnnp wrote:Who was being sarcastic? So, tell me, what exactly has your little tantrum achieved? Got your own way yet? You're right, there is a difference between rioting and protesting. Protesting doesn't tend to involve smashing things upGeorgem wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. So by your argument, because you went to school, you understand everything that goes on in schools enough to make a reasonable argument about a topic involving one? And has no-one ever told you that everyone is unique? I've spent time around human beings, yet i wouldn't say i know how everyone thinks. Besides, most of these people arent saying rioting would have the desired affect, but there's a difference between rioting and protesting.kfnnnp wrote:How so? Because of the whole "we live in a democracy" thing? Um. Would you like to buy some of these magic beans I've got? I can reasonably comment on the situation because, although we don't actually live in a free country per se, I am afforded a certain amount of freedom of speech. And I also went to school, and have been around human beings, and know that rioting in school is unlikely to have the desired effect. Simple reallyGeorgem wrote:Well, either Southampton has moved since i last looked out the window, or you're not in the same southampton as us, in which case i don't see how you can reasonably comment on the situation.john do wrote:Right. You should. A say. That doesn't mean going on a rampage whenever you're feeling a bit miffed. And I never said we lived in a democracy, did I?Georgem wrote:how do you say that. we live in a democracy not dictatorship. we are the students of that school and i believe we should have a say in what is happening within OUR school.naimbrain wrote: Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised. What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrum".
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?
john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then?
And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrum
Well, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans!
So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
Georgem, Southampton says...
6:57pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:But isn't the children's argument entirely centred around their demands to have a say? With that comes responsibility, you can't have it both ways.
Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?
john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
Either you think you have a say, and think you're entitled to involve yourself in school matters, in which case what happened is an unacceptable way to go about it. Or you DON'T think you have a say, and - like you claim - it's up to the management to sort it out, and this really WAS just a tantrum.
Which is it?
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
6:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school?
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
As for your peer pressure suggestion, generally if they've reached years 10 and 11 without being influenced to change, the probably aren't going to. better to kick them out of the school all together, which unfortunately I don't have the power to do.
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
7:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:Having a say is different to making changes to teachers working timetables and the way the school is run. I'm saying students should be able to suggest improvements and be listened to, not be forced to carry out those improvements themselves. If a six year old kid asks for a new bulb in his nightlight, you wouldn't force him to go out, buy one and switch them over.
kfnnnp wrote:But isn't the children's argument entirely centred around their demands to have a say? With that comes responsibility, you can't have it both ways. Either you think you have a say, and think you're entitled to involve yourself in school matters, in which case what happened is an unacceptable way to go about it. Or you DON'T think you have a say, and - like you claim - it's up to the management to sort it out, and this really WAS just a tantrum. Which is it?Georgem wrote:I fail to see why it falls to the students to do something about it. Isn't that what the management are there for?john do wrote: another thing i have been attending this acadamy for the past 5 weeks and every other week our P.E. lessons are canceled because there is not enough eachers to teach usWhat are you doing about it? Serious question. Forget the incident reported in this story. PE - any lesson - being cancelled so often is unacceptable. So what are you and your fellow students doing about it?
tony00, weston says...
7:04pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I hear Oasis Academy of ingenius academic knowledge have enpointed hitler as a head teacher, making the school and system it runs on about as corrupt as Nazi Germany, no wonder these poor kids are running riot!
Once again the goverment proving quite how much they no about the 21st century.
And as for the idiot refering to these kids as "Chav scum", you are the reason kids have less respect for adults! Someone has some growing up to do!
Once again the goverment proving quite how much they no about the 21st century.
And as for the idiot refering to these kids as "Chav scum", you are the reason kids have less respect for adults! Someone has some growing up to do!
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
what a sad indictment of this failing city. I like the comments made by parents,shows how much they don't care about their kids or the school. It shows what a society we have become. A few weeks ago parents were complaining about the cost of school uniform- I suppose because they wanted to spend the money on themselves instead.
High quality education is wasted on these people (parents and kids). Not even animals would treat their environment so badly. We should return to grammar schools for the bright and dump the rest in pens where they can live like the feral brats they've been brought up to be.
Southampton RIP
High quality education is wasted on these people (parents and kids). Not even animals would treat their environment so badly. We should return to grammar schools for the bright and dump the rest in pens where they can live like the feral brats they've been brought up to be.
Southampton RIP
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Councillor Peter Baillie, Southampton’s Cabinet member for education said: “The predecessor schools have closed.
“We have a new academy. It’s time for all pupils and all staff to move on and ensure that the new academy is a success.”
Nice bit of hand-washing there Pete. The Council had the choice of giving the contract for the Acadamy to a consortium made up of the two Universities (and others), or a bunch of God-botherers with little experience of education, and none of Southampton. The merger was rushed through, not planned, and was against the wishes of staff, pupils, and parents.
I know, because my son is in Year 8. He took part in the sit-down demonstration st Grove. The place is a shambles, and the children are being lied to by senior staff. The protest (at Grove) was unplanned, and involved at least 100 pupils. Things have got to be bad to get that may kids to act, and after only five weeks at school!
And if some of you posters are going to critisise the kid's language skills, remember that they have been tought to spel fonetikally - is it any wonder that spelling and grammer isn't their strong point.
Lastly, some of the 'communications' from the 'Leadership Team' should appear on this website. If you think that the kid's skills are bad, try to read the gibberish that I, as a parent have to decipher!
“We have a new academy. It’s time for all pupils and all staff to move on and ensure that the new academy is a success.”
Nice bit of hand-washing there Pete. The Council had the choice of giving the contract for the Acadamy to a consortium made up of the two Universities (and others), or a bunch of God-botherers with little experience of education, and none of Southampton. The merger was rushed through, not planned, and was against the wishes of staff, pupils, and parents.
I know, because my son is in Year 8. He took part in the sit-down demonstration st Grove. The place is a shambles, and the children are being lied to by senior staff. The protest (at Grove) was unplanned, and involved at least 100 pupils. Things have got to be bad to get that may kids to act, and after only five weeks at school!
And if some of you posters are going to critisise the kid's language skills, remember that they have been tought to spel fonetikally - is it any wonder that spelling and grammer isn't their strong point.
Lastly, some of the 'communications' from the 'Leadership Team' should appear on this website. If you think that the kid's skills are bad, try to read the gibberish that I, as a parent have to decipher!
janee, says...
7:10pm Mon 20 Oct 08
It is a fallacy to believe that Oasis has a better idea of running a school that students, parents and staff. They have only been involved in running any schools in the UK for just over a year.
I suggest that people check out both the UK and the US websites. The following quotes are from the Oasis website:
"Oasis believes this can be achieved through high-quality facilities, outstanding staff, clear leadership, a positive, affirming environment and a partnership between students, parents, each Academy and the local community."
"This is foundational to our belief that all people are created and loved by God as equal and unique beings, and to our commitment to model inclusion and compassion throughout all aspects of the life and culture of the Academy community."
Perhaps the Academy should be practising what Oasis preaches.
I suggest that people check out both the UK and the US websites. The following quotes are from the Oasis website:
"Oasis believes this can be achieved through high-quality facilities, outstanding staff, clear leadership, a positive, affirming environment and a partnership between students, parents, each Academy and the local community."
"This is foundational to our belief that all people are created and loved by God as equal and unique beings, and to our commitment to model inclusion and compassion throughout all aspects of the life and culture of the Academy community."
Perhaps the Academy should be practising what Oasis preaches.
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor man that sounds awful like a 'final solution' you are suggesting there. Your an ignorant person with clearly no idea of the actual meaning behind or definition of education...'dump the rest in pens where they can live like feral brats' if the irony of your idea of civilisation were not so tragic it would be funny.
your an idiot go join a neo nazi foruma and leave sensible debate about childrens future to 21st century people.
your an idiot go join a neo nazi foruma and leave sensible debate about childrens future to 21st century people.
obelisker, Southampton says...
7:12pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Sounds like someone needs to get on the phone to Steve Chalk and bring his attention to obviously well informed comments on this site with reference to the total hash-up the egotistical Head Ruth Johnston has made of the School/s. I commend the kids for protesting and am pleased to see teenagers with a bit of fire in their guts rather than the usual 'am I bovered' attitude of todays couch potato lumps. And when they try to teach you all that Creation Science cobblers, laugh in their faces and walk out the door. Hey Preachers...leave them kids alone!!
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:15pm Mon 20 Oct 08
how the hell could parents run a school? most citizens of southampton are not educated about GCSE level so how could they decide on a curriculum or set moral guidance when we have the highest rate of teen pregnancies in the country?
I think the crux is that Oasis and Mrs Johnson are starting to set perameters for pupils- expecting good behaviour and high attainment. A lot of kids and parents can not cope with being told by authority what to do.
As for the union guy as I remember he was hardly that effective in the past so what should change now.
It seems like the peasants are revolting!
I think the crux is that Oasis and Mrs Johnson are starting to set perameters for pupils- expecting good behaviour and high attainment. A lot of kids and parents can not cope with being told by authority what to do.
As for the union guy as I remember he was hardly that effective in the past so what should change now.
It seems like the peasants are revolting!
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:17pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man wrote:Condor Man, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. The complaints about the uniform were that the ascadamy had signed a deal with one retailer, who charges increased margins because he has (in theory) a captive market. Neither my child, nor his friends are 'feral brats', and I care desperately about the quality of education my son is (or in this case isn't) getting.
what a sad indictment of this failing city. I like the comments made by parents,shows how much they don't care about their kids or the school. It shows what a society we have become. A few weeks ago parents were complaining about the cost of school uniform- I suppose because they wanted to spend the money on themselves instead. High quality education is wasted on these people (parents and kids). Not even animals would treat their environment so badly. We should return to grammar schools for the bright and dump the rest in pens where they can live like the feral brats they've been brought up to be. Southampton RIP
Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton says...
7:18pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:lol very observant George, I was half-contemplating typing up that whole exchange between Karl and Mr Vernon (my favourite piece of dialogue in my favourite movie, wouldn't you know?). However, yes, I know there's quite a spectrum of stand-points between these two extremes. Apologies, I was caught up in the (to me) rather romantic prospect of students rising up and being noticed, and then using the power of the press to get their real points across which they have been doing.
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
I pity the fool who can only see in black and white. There's a huge amount of ground between being a meek yes-man and being a riotous moron
History teaches us that when a group of people are being oppressed or ignored, it takes more than a few letters to get their point heard. Sometimes drastic actions are required. And although I don't condone violence, or vandalism, or destruction, desperate times call for desperate measures. In the aftermath, offenders are brought to justice, lives are sacrificed (or, in this case, excluded from school) but the desired effect has been accomplished. This is the most active thread of discussion on the local paper's website, pupils' voices are being heard, not just to be filed away by bureaucrats, but to be acknowledged by the city.
What's happened has happened, now is the time for debate, reflection and for changes to be implemented.
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:21pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Again Condor man your ill educated comments are pathetic 'most citizens of Southampton are not educated about(sic) GCSE level' do you have any kind of facts to back that rather extreme statement...and by the way since when were morals and higher education inextricably linnked....Stalin was a very intelligent man, as was Hitler arguably...but wait a minute perhaps that is your point....
jaysie, southampton says...
7:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
my son attended woolston school in year 7 in sept 2007 he would walk to school wich would take about 20 minutes and was doing well in lessons,since moving up to year 8 at the grove site his journey now takes between 30-40 minutes,he doesnt like the school but where is he supposed to go?what they should do is put all woolston pupils at woolston & all the new year sevens & grove pupils at the grove site.They should never have mixed the two schools as there was bound to be trouble. My son is not a chav & he does not come from a broken home he has two parents who are concerned about his education and his safety when he is at school. It seems the teachers have no control at either site.
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
If you care about education you must back the authorities then. Mrs Johnson was appointed head and therefore deserves the respect of the parents and pupils alike. Respect is not a two way think. Respect starts within the individual. If they don't have self-respect then they can never have respect for others.
I've taught in 2 appalling schools where good kids were being held back by those who were bringing their problems from home into the classroom. When will the decent majority have the guts to stand up against the scum that are dragging this city down to depths lower than Portsmouth?
I've taught in 2 appalling schools where good kids were being held back by those who were bringing their problems from home into the classroom. When will the decent majority have the guts to stand up against the scum that are dragging this city down to depths lower than Portsmouth?
JillyBee, Portswood says...
7:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
hmmc5r wrote:I was wondering how long it would be before someone remembered Mrs Johnson's track record. She went from Regent's Park to Cantell, to replace the excellent David Burge, and by all accounts managed to cause colossal ill-feeling and loss of morale in a very short space of time.
john do wrote: students and staff have no say on what happens within the school only mrs. johnson who is so stuck up can change things and she is not doing anythingThis rather splendid head teacher came from the Cantel school in the city. She was so highly regarded by her colleagues that they decided to throw her a leaving party and didn't send her an invite.
As a teacher, I don't like criticising other teachers, but I did think she was a very surprising choice for Mayfield. For the sake of students and staff, I really hope peace breaks out soon - perhpas the governors of the new school should be reading this thread?
tony00, weston says...
7:28pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Obelisker, someone with some sense!
Hopefully steve chalk will relise apointing this hideous woman, who may i say has the slightest idea what she is doing let alone how to run a school! was possibly the biggest mistake made since coming up with the idea of these ridiculous acadamys!
I'm not one to slate religion but to a certain extent...its not for schools. I imagine a majority of the kids couldn't give 2 Sh*ts about that side of the school, and those who do would still rather a education than a poorley, unorganised joke of a organisation imposing their "dreams" on them with about as much success as a olympic swimming brick.
Hopefully steve chalk will relise apointing this hideous woman, who may i say has the slightest idea what she is doing let alone how to run a school! was possibly the biggest mistake made since coming up with the idea of these ridiculous acadamys!
I'm not one to slate religion but to a certain extent...its not for schools. I imagine a majority of the kids couldn't give 2 Sh*ts about that side of the school, and those who do would still rather a education than a poorley, unorganised joke of a organisation imposing their "dreams" on them with about as much success as a olympic swimming brick.
Georgem, Southampton says...
7:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Petty quarrels? I see. What do they have to do with the students at your school? Quite a lot. Why you think your insular problems are the only thing that matter is, frankly, beyond me.
Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school?
Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
As for your peer pressure suggestion, generally if they've reached years 10 and 11 without being influenced to change, the probably aren't going to. better to kick them out of the school all together, which unfortunately I don't have the power to do.
Case dismissed.
Georgem, Southampton says...
7:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Gilmore wrote:I, too, like the idea of students - anyone - rising up and making their point. This incident, though, fails to qualify IMHO.
Georgem wrote:lol very observant George, I was half-contemplating typing up that whole exchange between Karl and Mr Vernon (my favourite piece of dialogue in my favourite movie, wouldn't you know?). However, yes, I know there's quite a spectrum of stand-points between these two extremes. Apologies, I was caught up in the (to me) rather romantic prospect of students rising up and being noticed, and then using the power of the press to get their real points across which they have been doing.
Gilmore wrote:Been watching The Breakfast Club again, Gilmore?
Georgem wrote:Poor George, getting on a bit and realising that maybe he should have stood up for himself a bit more. Or have you always agreed with everything everyone's ever told you to do?
naimbrain wrote:Why do we need dialog from both sides? This is the root of the problem, allowing children who are, by definition, not in a position to dictate how they should be treated, to rule the roost. Kids go on mad rampage, get punished. End of story. I don't want to hear their "dialog" or their "side of the story". This sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, up a gum tree. Enough is enough. 14 year olds need to wake up and realise that, actually, no you DON'T know best
Well done supergirl, while I'm writing that you should air your grievances, you for one are doing so. More of the same please kids, and perhaps the parents reading this discussion board could also start placing comments lobbying the council to respond to the issues raised.
What we need is dialog from both sides. This time it was only property that got damaged, if these problems are not redressed it could lead to a far more serious situation.
You might think teenagers are a lower form of life, sir, who deserve less rights, recognition and respect, however one day they'll be running things. If you don't listen to their side of the story now, who's to say they'll listen to your side of the story in twenty years when they're closing down your care home to cut costs?
Get with the program.
I pity the fool who can only see in black and white. There's a huge amount of ground between being a meek yes-man and being a riotous moron
History teaches us that when a group of people are being oppressed or ignored, it takes more than a few letters to get their point heard. Sometimes drastic actions are required. And although I don't condone violence, or vandalism, or destruction, desperate times call for desperate measures. In the aftermath, offenders are brought to justice, lives are sacrificed (or, in this case, excluded from school) but the desired effect has been accomplished. This is the most active thread of discussion on the local paper's website, pupils' voices are being heard, not just to be filed away by bureaucrats, but to be acknowledged by the city.
What's happened has happened, now is the time for debate, reflection and for changes to be implemented.
You got 50 bucks?
Charlady, Southampton says...
7:39pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I'm Charlady's daughter :)
The schools in Southampton have absolutley no idea what they're doing. Frankly it's no wonder they had a riot. They're not chavs, they're just sick of being messed around.
Quiet protest is ignored. If this is the only way to get attention then so be it. Hopefully now schools will stop ignoring us, and maybe my brother won't have to go through the same crap I did.
The schools in Southampton have absolutley no idea what they're doing. Frankly it's no wonder they had a riot. They're not chavs, they're just sick of being messed around.
Quiet protest is ignored. If this is the only way to get attention then so be it. Hopefully now schools will stop ignoring us, and maybe my brother won't have to go through the same crap I did.
Portswood Pete, Portswood says...
7:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Ruth Johnsons half-baked ideas on discipline are mainly to blame.
Treas, Sholing says...
7:46pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I am saddened by the news about Woolston School. As an ex-pupil at Woolston School I am happy to report that it was a happy place for me, and I received an exceptionally high level of education. I am afraid that things have been spoiled since my day. I know numerous ex-pupils who will support my views, and those that interfered with this successful school for the sake of political dogma should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
john do, southampton says...
7:51pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Portswood Pete wrote:i completely agree
Ruth Johnsons half-baked ideas on discipline are mainly to blame.
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
7:54pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Treas, well said. Ditto for Weston/Grove Park. The blame is complex but can be boiled down to SSC, Steve Chalk ( a smug egotistical man) and most recently Ruth Johnston. Sure she would make a great business woman but her record in education reads like a trail of destruction. And anyone defending her here has either never met her or is related. No place working with kids....and Condor man whatever you may think southampton has some fabtastic children, i know i worked with them. Your failure as a teacher and subsequent bitterness is your problem not the kids.
TaT, woolston says...
7:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I totally agree with what some pepole are saying about not condoning the riotus actions of some of these pupils, I dont agree either and I told my son that the day he came back from school and told me about the events that were unravelling and as a greatly concerned parent {not one who spends more money on herself thanks!!}I listened in horror. But I think what some are failing to understand is that the academy was not ready for the new start in September -Afer 8 weeks off in the summer there were still unpacked boxes in corridors, classrooms not ready for the pupils who were making a huge new start, and on the open evening for children starting in sept 2009 they had classrooms off limits so the parents couldnt see what had'nt been unpacked and unorganised.It was embarrassing compared to some of the schools in the area ie Sholing who's open evening was amazing. But all credit to the Grove site pupils for showing around the parents in a mature and professioanl manner and considering the huge change and adjustments they have had to make are a credit to their parents. They have been trying to understand why in their previous schools bullying and violence were not tollerated but in this academy they are when kids who are wearing the wrong type of shoe {brown and not black} are sent home but the trouble makers are given the softly softly touch and allowed to stay in school to carry on their disgusting behaviour. Our children do want to learn and want to go to school but this is their futures they are fighting for and if parents and teachers are complaining and not being listen to what hope do we have for this future generation.It is intersting that these children's behaviour has got the attention that as parents we have been crying for since the sorry saga of merging the schools started. Most of us went to the meetings and hearings and so therefore went about things in the APPROPRIATE MANNER and where did get did that get us ?? To this, where we are commenting on a local newspaper's 'have your say wall'- MMMM interesting isnt it !! I hope that the Management of the school are reading all these comments as we want it to work, we really do, but they have to make it work!!
RJG, Bitterne Park says...
7:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Remember, it was the Conservative administration that appointed Oasis to run this school- against the wishes of the majority of parents and councillors at the time. They shouldn't be allowed to wash their hands of responsibility now just because the schools technically operate outside the LEA.
I'm a former Weston Park pupil, and I remember very well being told that if I really wanted to get on in life, I should try for a scholarship at King Edwards. There was a feeling that was where you should go if you wanted to 'get on' with Weston being the dustbin for everyone else. It makes me sick that the Council seems to be pushing that view again, and I can only say to students there now- don't give up! It does get better.
I'm a former Weston Park pupil, and I remember very well being told that if I really wanted to get on in life, I should try for a scholarship at King Edwards. There was a feeling that was where you should go if you wanted to 'get on' with Weston being the dustbin for everyone else. It makes me sick that the Council seems to be pushing that view again, and I can only say to students there now- don't give up! It does get better.
Mr Galilei, Winchester says...
8:05pm Mon 20 Oct 08
You can talk all you like about disciplining us.
I am 17 and therefore still "just a child" however I still feel I can make a valuable contribution to this debate. Please forgive me if I come across cliché, in the past if I feel a figure of authority is incompetent then I will not listen to them. Awful as that may sound.
I believe it is this which causes all the problems, no child is born in an innate desire to do wrong which has to be beaten out of them. Yet when an incompetent role model is thrust upon them they will rebel against it no matter how hard you thrash them.
Anyway, back to destroying society as we know it.
I am 17 and therefore still "just a child" however I still feel I can make a valuable contribution to this debate. Please forgive me if I come across cliché, in the past if I feel a figure of authority is incompetent then I will not listen to them. Awful as that may sound.
I believe it is this which causes all the problems, no child is born in an innate desire to do wrong which has to be beaten out of them. Yet when an incompetent role model is thrust upon them they will rebel against it no matter how hard you thrash them.
Anyway, back to destroying society as we know it.
Nuttymegz94, Southampton says...
8:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As a year 10 pupil, I can say that the academy isn't living up to standards. We are meant to have been offered allsorts of exciting new things! I understand that it's still early days, but surely organisation could a lot better! We had an open clinic last wednesday, the letter was sent out from the front gate going home ON that wednesday! I wasn't there on the rampage,riot,protest whatever you wish to call it, but I have heard about it. I don't entirely agree with all the damage. Standing grounds and strike for a lesson perhaps, but damaging the whole academy? All that money is being spent on repairs, rather than the 'exciting new trips and programmes', because students are ruining it! Our drama teacher is amazing, but due to school protocol she is unable to permanantly remove these boys who constantly disrupt us! Whatever happened to we won't stand for threatening behaviour towards staff and students?! My english teacher has lost all my coursework notes as we didn't have books at the time. I STILL don't have an english book and now have to catch up! The so called 'strict discipline' has gone out of the window! Our principal has a HUGE team and yet she STILL needs a PA....Please can someone tell me why? She isn't approachable either, what good is a principal who won't open their doors and actually get to know the students. Perhaps then these protests wouldn't be occuring. Perhaps then we could get some answers!
Nuttymegz94, Southampton says...
8:31pm Mon 20 Oct 08
jaysie wrote:I actually suggested that to my friend in the playground this morning, I'm actually quite happy someone else has said that! However, It's more lack of discipline than anything, perhaps if they kept our classes Woolston/Grove, then it might be able to solve some problems, it works in year 11, why not for year 10? And other years? Just a thought.
my son attended woolston school in year 7 in sept 2007 he would walk to school wich would take about 20 minutes and was doing well in lessons,since moving up to year 8 at the grove site his journey now takes between 30-40 minutes,he doesnt like the school but where is he supposed to go?what they should do is put all woolston pupils at woolston & all the new year sevens & grove pupils at the grove site.They should never have mixed the two schools as there was bound to be trouble. My son is not a chav & he does not come from a broken home he has two parents who are concerned about his education and his safety when he is at school. It seems the teachers have no control at either site.
AngrySotonResident, says...
8:41pm today Mon 20 Oct 08
I hope the head teacher will be publishing these comments on a newsletter to parents oh yes they don't keep parents in the loop of there students.
saintblonde, Southampton says...
8:41pm today Mon 20 Oct 08
I am not in the least bit surprised at the problems that are surfacing at the moment. Shutting Woolston in the first place was sheer folly. No account of the new Vospers developement, no thought for the long and dangerous travelling for children, no thought for the problems this merger was bound to throw up. I went to the council meeting when the cretinous, arrogant, foul councillor responsible for this mess sat in her wheelchair, huffing and puffing with contempt at the people who were quite rightly grilling her on why she had so strangely "changed her mind". I simply could not believe anyone like her was fit to organise a jumble sale, let alone be in charge of the education of the children in this city!
As far as the letter I received over the w/e, sadly I don't beleive it. If it was such a "minor" incident then why was it felt appropriate to write to the parents regarding the matter?
My son is a high achiever in year 11. Because the people in charge of the "Academy" don't seem to have a clue, he's bound to suffer. I am seething that my son's most important year is being wrecked due to the shambles that has been allowed to arise.
If they put the energy into the things that really matter, discipline, the Teachers, the decent kids, instead of their obsession with their crappy uniform, maybe things wouldn't now be so bleak for the children who want to learn and are being prevented from doing so. I have no faith in the Head whatsoever.
As far as the letter I received over the w/e, sadly I don't beleive it. If it was such a "minor" incident then why was it felt appropriate to write to the parents regarding the matter?
My son is a high achiever in year 11. Because the people in charge of the "Academy" don't seem to have a clue, he's bound to suffer. I am seething that my son's most important year is being wrecked due to the shambles that has been allowed to arise.
If they put the energy into the things that really matter, discipline, the Teachers, the decent kids, instead of their obsession with their crappy uniform, maybe things wouldn't now be so bleak for the children who want to learn and are being prevented from doing so. I have no faith in the Head whatsoever.
naimbrain, Shirley says...
8:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
It would seem that my earlier suggestion for the students to bring their grievances into public view has engendered quite a response. Currently the hoped for dialog still seems to be more of a monologue, however I assume that this is to be expected as I'm sure the school management and policy makers will need to consider their response from a legal viewpoint.
Let us hope that there will soon be a timely and carefully considered response to the issues that have been raised within the above postings. In the meantime, I' suspect that further postings from both parents and students wishing to register their concerns will ensure that the underlying issues are not forgotten.
Let us hope that there will soon be a timely and carefully considered response to the issues that have been raised within the above postings. In the meantime, I' suspect that further postings from both parents and students wishing to register their concerns will ensure that the underlying issues are not forgotten.
usercats4856@aol.com, southampton says...
8:50pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Both my son and daughter have attended Woolston Language College. My daughter achieving excellent results, unfortunately i do not feel the same way for my son who is in year 11. The so called promises of an excellent school for our children has not materialised. The school is an absoulute disgrace to education. Oasis have no money to install the buildings needed on the Grove site till 2011.We have been passed off with many promises from the council and Oasis.The children of Woolston are suffering the back lash of greed by Southampton Council of what was an excellent school.Those people who do not have children in this school do not know what is going on, so your opinion is not valid.We were told it would not be a FAITH school. Then why is my son told by teachers it is.The school did have a riot for want of a better word,there were many many children involved, it was not a minor incident,The Head Teacher is playing it down.The best part of the Echo story was true in my opnion, for those who say it was not I challenge you to say different.There is still damage in the school which has been photographed by mobile phones. The plans to merge schools was a no go from the start. All i know is my sons results for this year will be ruined. THANKS ALOT OASIS hope you feel good about it.I doubt it!!!!
Year11 Student, Woolston says...
8:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Councillor Baille made the decision to give our schools to Oasis he is responsible for this mess.
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
8:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Georgem wrote:shame on me. imagine commenting about problems in school on a news report about our school. No, i should have gone to a barely related thread to whine about how everyone is an idiot unless they agree with me, even though i have nothing valuable to say about the report itself.
kfnnnp wrote:Petty quarrels? I see. What do they have to do with the students at your school? Quite a lot. Why you think your insular problems are the only thing that matter is, frankly, beyond me. Case dismissed.Georgem wrote:How exactly do you define a democracy? And what do your petty quarrels with the government have to do with students at this school? As for your peer pressure suggestion, generally if they've reached years 10 and 11 without being influenced to change, the probably aren't going to. better to kick them out of the school all together, which unfortunately I don't have the power to do.Am i to take it you actually believe you have magic beans then? And no, i was not involved in the "little tantrum". Nor do I think it was right, and to be honest, this riot started out as a protest which was hijacked by some of the more unruly students who wanted an excuse for wanton destruction and to skip a lesson. So no, not all the people protesting are having a "tantrumWell, I may as well say "yes" because you seem to believe everything you're told. Someone says we're in a democracy, therefore we ARE in a democracy! Magic beans! So what are you genuine protesters planning to do about the rioting bad apples? They're doing your cause damage, maybe some positive peer pressure's in order? You only have to look at how Muslims are regarded by the masses to see how the old "it's a minority spoiling it for the rest of us!" plea works
saintblonde, Southampton says...
8:59pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:English not being one of them I presume? Sorry to be unkind but your spelling and grammer speak volumes about the standard of learning you poor kids are recieving. Two words for you.......spell check!
i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctly
19smudge66, sholing says...
9:08pm Mon 20 Oct 08
As parents to a year 10 student who attends oasis Mayfield (woolston site), we don’t agree with what happened last Thursday, so we feel that the parents of the students that want to learn and want to do well at school, need to join together against the small mindless minority of students, who do not wish to be part of a bad situation. (if you do not wish to be there, leave, so that the students who want to learn can learn in a peaceful environment).
A for the learning side of the problem, we are outraged by the lack of teaching that our son is receiving, with supply teachers who may be unsure with what the students have learnt in previous weeks and years at separate schools, and teachers being late for classes.
We as parents do not feel that our son is being given adequate tuition to achieve his full potential, at this important time of his schooling life and we are sure that we are not the only parents that feel this way.
Mrs E Smith
A for the learning side of the problem, we are outraged by the lack of teaching that our son is receiving, with supply teachers who may be unsure with what the students have learnt in previous weeks and years at separate schools, and teachers being late for classes.
We as parents do not feel that our son is being given adequate tuition to achieve his full potential, at this important time of his schooling life and we are sure that we are not the only parents that feel this way.
Mrs E Smith
saintblonde, Southampton says...
9:08pm Mon 20 Oct 08
saintblonde wrote:Clearly I need it too! I before E except after C.
john do wrote: i am proodected to get a-a*s and i totlaly agree with them but they did not do thing correctlyEnglish not being one of them I presume? Sorry to be unkind but your spelling and grammer speak volumes about the standard of learning you poor kids are recieving. Two words for you.......spell check!
saintblonde, Southampton says...
9:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Year11 Student wrote:It was the stupid woman who decided to close Woolston who is to blame. It started with her. Don't forget that! Whoever had the misfortune to inherit her ridiculous decision had a poisoned chalice to deal with from the start.
Councillor Baille made the decision to give our schools to Oasis he is responsible for this mess.
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
9:23pm Mon 20 Oct 08
'Sham 69 - If the kids are united.'
That song pretty somes it up. Ha.
Us pupils & staff are going to stick together until we get change from Oasis.
Keep on commenting people because we need Mrs Johnson and Steve Chalke to get there heads out of there backsides and relise that Oasis needs change. Asap?
And they need to talk to the students to be honest. Instead of Steve Chalke telling us stupid little stories about a 'Duck and a Goose' in assemblys and talk serious with us, like we are adults. If they dont treat us like young adults then we wont act like them.
That song pretty somes it up. Ha.
Us pupils & staff are going to stick together until we get change from Oasis.
Keep on commenting people because we need Mrs Johnson and Steve Chalke to get there heads out of there backsides and relise that Oasis needs change. Asap?
And they need to talk to the students to be honest. Instead of Steve Chalke telling us stupid little stories about a 'Duck and a Goose' in assemblys and talk serious with us, like we are adults. If they dont treat us like young adults then we wont act like them.
Treas, Sholing says...
9:24pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Further to my comments above, I would like to say that I joined Woolston School from Ludlow School. I went on to gain O levels, A levels, a First Degree in Science and a Doctorate in Science. It all started at Woolston School. Woolston School was for ordinary kids, from ordinary homes. No league tables could ever reflect how successful it was in practice. Can you imagine the public outcry that would have accompanied the breaking up, or merging, of one of the Nation's great public schools? Woolston School is a great institution by any criterion. It deserves that recognition and to remain autonomous. I am proud to been associated with Woolston School. I mention this of course, not out of smugness but because I am deeply saddened by what I have read this evening. I no longer live in Southampton, but my heart goes out to the those who live around the banks of the Itchen. It was bad enough losing our shipbuilding industry, but losing our great school was a blow too far, and I encourage a reversal and reinstatement of the Viking Crest.
Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Woolston was victim of it's location- the site was just too small to cope with the pupil numbers. It's sad that it had to merge with a failing school like Weston.
Rob444, Southampton says...
9:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Parents should have been aware that the Oasis academies would be religion based. The clues are easy to find via Google, the REV Steve Chalk set up Oasis.
Southampton Council alone was responsible for the decision to let Oasis run the new schools.
Why did they make that decision, Oasis wasn't the only candidate?
Southampton Council alone was responsible for the decision to let Oasis run the new schools.
Why did they make that decision, Oasis wasn't the only candidate?
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
9:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
OH Wtf Weston was not Bloody Failing Bahahahaa You gave me a chuckle, before the merge our skool was improving Maytee Lmao But i wouldnt call it a merge cause we have just been placed there, all the lesson's are seperated And it's Crap! But the Kiddz Are Cool:P
bradd, southampton says...
9:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
tbh, its ****.
if they were to keep the teachers we had for the subjects we had, for example,
miss williams - english&media.
mr orr - p.e
we would be happy because we are mixing with the woolston pupils well.
just put a donk on it.
if they were to keep the teachers we had for the subjects we had, for example,
miss williams - english&media.
mr orr - p.e
we would be happy because we are mixing with the woolston pupils well.
just put a donk on it.
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
9:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
For all Parents and Onlookers, all i can say is that unless you have actually attended the old and new schools (woolston/grove + oasis) I believe all of your comments are somewhat invalid. This is because parents are only told what their children wish to tell them. Onlookers, you only see what is written in the papers, which quite frankly, is exaggerated crap. As I said in my earlier comment, I am a year 11, Oasis Academy Mayfield student and I witness all of these events everyday. I see what is actually going on, rather than what the papers or your child wish to tell you. At the end of the day, you all must realise that Woolston and Grove Park are no more and will never be. Oasis Academy Mayfield is the future of children growing up in the Southampton area. Whilst I agree with some of the comments about organisation etc, the students attending the new Academy are not giving the teachers the respect they deserve. Personally, I do not agree with all that teachers say and do, but however I give them respect as it is to do with disapline. Whilst you say it was good that students tried to get their voices heard, they went about it in the wrong way. I think the student voice does need to be passed on, but in the correct manner. Children dont get listened to and we do get bad names, but doing this is not improving our reputations as young citizens of this country!!!!!!!! Thank you and GoodNight. x
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
9:43pm Mon 20 Oct 08
'Condor man' if you look at the results of Grove Park this year. They are pretty high. So it aint a falling school.
Stop being so judge-mental about the schools. Were not commenting to slag Grove park or Woolston off. Its about Oasis.
Stop being so judge-mental about the schools. Were not commenting to slag Grove park or Woolston off. Its about Oasis.
Worried of Woolston, southampton says...
9:47pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Surely this situation is serious enough for an official enquiry. I think tax payers would expect this in the light of what has happened.
You have to feel sorry for the pupils and parents caught up in all this as they obviously have no outlet for their grievances. I have to keep reminding myself that this is the 21st century. Very poor show from the education services.
You have to feel sorry for the pupils and parents caught up in all this as they obviously have no outlet for their grievances. I have to keep reminding myself that this is the 21st century. Very poor show from the education services.
Kidd From The Skool HAHA, southampton says...
9:47pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Yeeeeea Wooo Zoee:D Lol It's Tom Btw Haha
N' Yeh bout the Crappy New Skool Thats Bull
N' Yeh bout the Crappy New Skool Thats Bull
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:52pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:Oh, so we're just commenting to slag off Oasis?
'Condor man' if you look at the results of Grove Park this year. They are pretty high. So it aint a falling school. Stop being so judge-mental about the schools. Were not commenting to slag Grove park or Woolston off. Its about Oasis.
I actually have no problem with that, but others probably will.
Also, instead of complaining, it would probably be better to perform a properly organised protest (one that doesn't turn into a riot)and other related things, such as petitions and letters to the management
been there before, hedge end says...
9:54pm Mon 20 Oct 08
"And anyone defending her here has" either never met her or is related.
I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her!
All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school!
If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson.
It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school.
As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job.
Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children.
Too many people listen to a small minority.
There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty.
So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her!
All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school!
If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson.
It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school.
As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job.
Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children.
Too many people listen to a small minority.
There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty.
So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:55pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
9:56pm Mon 20 Oct 08
been there before wrote:Woolston was already one of the best schools in the city before the change, so thats not particularly encouraging.
"And anyone defending her here has" either never met her or is related. I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her! All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school! If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson. It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school. As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job. Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children. Too many people listen to a small minority. There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty. So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
Treas, Sholing says...
10:01pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Well said young kfnnnp. That's the spirit! Of course Woolston School's independence can be reinstated. If enough people stand up and be counted, anything can be achieved. I wish you all well.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
LucilleBall, Southampton says...
10:02pm Mon 20 Oct 08
"And anyone defending her here has" either never met her or is related.
I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her!
All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school!
If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson.
It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school.
As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job.
Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children.
Too many people listen to a small minority.
There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty.
So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
Thanks for that Ruth!
I have met Mrs Johnson but I am not related to her. Yet I am going to defend her!
All of the comments I read on here tonight ultimately want the same thing. A good school!
If anyone can help you with this it will be Mrs Johnson.
It takes a strong leader to lead a school but it takes the whole team to make it a good school.
As students, parents and staff I can understand your concerns and anguish over the two schools merging. But the fact is they have and no amount of protesting will change this now. So now is the time for you all to put your trust in what is definitely the best person for the job.
Not all decisions made will appear to be the right ones but they will be in the best interest of the students, your children.
Too many people listen to a small minority.
There are comments on here that portrait Mrs Johnson as having a destructive past. If that means taking leadership of a school just as it was to be placed in special measures and turning it into what is now a thriving school then of this she is guilty.
So now ask yourself this, do you want your children in a failing school or in one that could become one of the best schools in the city.
Thanks for that Ruth!
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:06pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:This is not the case. It IS a permenant decision whether you want to accept it or not! Accept it! There is no more you can do. Whilst you cant bring back woolston or grove, you can work with staff, students and communtiy members to get Oasis working at the highest standards. This is not WW2 ! Mrs Johnson is NOT Hitler! She is our principal and she WILL be respected and so will her decisions. End of Story.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school.
Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?
Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years.
Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed.
This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen.
When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say?
Yeah jsut brillaint?!
Orry-exgrove teacher, says...
10:14pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Condor Man wrote:Condor man please be honest if you have an agenda. Weston was not failing and neither did it merge with Woolston grove Park did. And Grove was not failing either or anywhere near it. Unless you consider regularly winning inter city competitions for languages music and sport amongst many others as failing, not to mention winning the English schools national Football cup 3 years ago winning (as the title suggests) national recognition for the school and the city. If you have an agenda be honest enough to state it, if you are ill informed or just mischief making please have respect for what is a serious issue concerning many parents and young people. you should be ashamed. And been there before hedge end, the level of anger and frustration directed towards Mrs Johnston is not a result of anything other than evidence experience of a nasty, emotionally detached cold woman who is completely unsuited to the pupils in this school. Do you think suspending a teacher by email for breaking up a fight or ignoring all requests for dialouge sounds like a person you would want to work for or have in charge of your children. She is unfit for the job. End of story.
Woolston was victim of it's location- the site was just too small to cope with the pupil numbers. It's sad that it had to merge with a failing school like Weston.
Treas, Sholing says...
10:16pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:Let's have a full and open debate then, without the constraints of political dogma. Moreover, let people like kfnnnp have their say. Woolston School was traditionally an excellent place of learning. If enough people want it reinstated they should be allowed to make their case, freely and without suppression.It is refreshing to learn that coercion is being opposed in Woolston, as much as it was it my day. All power to free speech.
kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?This is not the case. It IS a permenant decision whether you want to accept it or not! Accept it! There is no more you can do. Whilst you cant bring back woolston or grove, you can work with staff, students and communtiy members to get Oasis working at the highest standards. This is not WW2 ! Mrs Johnson is NOT Hitler! She is our principal and she WILL be respected and so will her decisions. End of Story.
ginalara-x, southampton says...
10:19pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I went to woolston last year and could see then that changing the school would be a waste of time. Mixing two different schools,when they're from different areas was a bad decision from the start. Nobody wanted it changed yet it still went ahead because nobody decided to listen so maybe they will listen this time to what people want because its obviously not working.
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:22pm Mon 20 Oct 08
I agree all power to free speech, especially as I attended Woolston School and I agree it was an amazing school. However, protest all you will, but this wont make a difference. If you read the Daily Echo back in March 2006, you would see me and a couple of friends trying to stop the closure of Woolston but we were not listened to then, why would we now? I also appeeared on ITV Meridian News. So therefore, we need to get on with our educational careers and gain the results we are expected to achieve, as Ex-Woolstoners making the memory of an amazing school live on through Oasis Academy Mayfield!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:29pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.
kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:yes, but the difference is, back then Oasis was a plan. An idea with potential. But now it has been implemented, and is quite frankly failing, there is a much higher chance of getting it back the way it was. It more than likely will take a while, but eventually, maybe, it will happen
I agree all power to free speech, especially as I attended Woolston School and I agree it was an amazing school. However, protest all you will, but this wont make a difference. If you read the Daily Echo back in March 2006, you would see me and a couple of friends trying to stop the closure of Woolston but we were not listened to then, why would we now? I also appeeared on ITV Meridian News. So therefore, we need to get on with our educational careers and gain the results we are expected to achieve, as Ex-Woolstoners making the memory of an amazing school live on through Oasis Academy Mayfield!
Treas, Sholing says...
10:30pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:I am sure you worked earnestly at presenting your case. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, you did not succeed. However, others may want to take the matter forward, and it is their right to do so. These matters are largely politically inspired, and in the "art of achieving the possible", the people of Woolston should have their voices heard without coercion. I would like to politely suggest that you renew your efforts and return to the charge!
I agree all power to free speech, especially as I attended Woolston School and I agree it was an amazing school. However, protest all you will, but this wont make a difference. If you read the Daily Echo back in March 2006, you would see me and a couple of friends trying to stop the closure of Woolston but we were not listened to then, why would we now? I also appeeared on ITV Meridian News. So therefore, we need to get on with our educational careers and gain the results we are expected to achieve, as Ex-Woolstoners making the memory of an amazing school live on through Oasis Academy Mayfield!
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Yes, people would support it but you need to get into your head... there will be NO change in schools. Woolston has CLOSED, Grove Park has CLOSED. Oasis Academy is OPEN ! Once dead, cant be brought back!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:34pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:Well, there was this one guy, quite famous really. He died and was supposedly ressurected. Besides, a school is not the same as a person. A condemned establishment is easier to restore to its previous condition than a person.
Yes, people would support it but you need to get into your head... there will be NO change in schools. Woolston has CLOSED, Grove Park has CLOSED. Oasis Academy is OPEN ! Once dead, cant be brought back!
john do, southampton says...
10:35pm Mon 20 Oct 08
vicky ur dead right
people just have to except it
people just have to except it
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
kfnnnp wrote:Yeah fair point. But we just dont know what to do. I would love to write a petition but the students are getting excluded for having there say.
Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
If these changes dont take place soon, I will be willing to write a petition. The only thing stopping me, is the chance of beng excluded.
Im in my last year, I am not willing to let my grades drop.
Other people in the community could write a petition, but it would be best coming from a student or a member of staff. But can we risk it?
(Sorry about my poor spelling! =] )
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
This maybe so kfnnnp, but its still doesnt change what i have beeen saying for the past half hour. THE SCHOOL ARE NOT COMING BACK!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:38pm Mon 20 Oct 08
john do wrote:such a positive attitude. I'm not saying it will work, i'm saying it MIGHT work. Even a tiny chance is still a chance, and if you are so dejected and broken that you cannot even see that glimmer of hope, then thats no reason to try and snuff it out of everyone else
vicky ur dead right people just have to except it
lisa-southampton, southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
whoever thought of changing these schools names to OASIS ACADEMY'S must have been dilusional, because to me oasis means a place of peace and tranquillity, something that is certainly not happening by merging these schools.
Zoeeee93, Southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
And yeah Vickyy, you are 100% right. Woolston and Grove arnt coming back,and never will. But honestly people want change in Oasis this is what it is about.
Vicky Fuller, Southampton says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
'a glimmer or hope'
you are putting all of your efforts into bringing 2 schools which have OFFICALLY closed back (which wont happen). Instead of putting your efforts into helping make the product of woolston and grove park a success for southampton children today and in the future !
you are putting all of your efforts into bringing 2 schools which have OFFICALLY closed back (which wont happen). Instead of putting your efforts into helping make the product of woolston and grove park a success for southampton children today and in the future !
Treas, Sholing says...
10:40pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Vicky Fuller wrote:I am becoming very suspicious of your motives here. Why are you so adamant that what has been wronged, cannot be corrected. You use the upper case text in an aggressive way. Persuasion and reasoning may be better tools than edict. What have you to loose, if others succeed where you failed? Help them in their quest, you may have a lot to contribute
Yes, people would support it but you need to get into your head... there will be NO change in schools. Woolston has CLOSED, Grove Park has CLOSED. Oasis Academy is OPEN ! Once dead, cant be brought back!
kfnnnp, Southampton says...
10:41pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Zoeeee93 wrote:Well, legally, they shouldnt be allowed to exclude people for signing a petition, so if they try to exclude me for voicing my opinion, I could take them to court. See how much press coverage they get then. Or i suppose you could write the petition and have someone else present it, or just go over Oasis' head and take it to a higher authority.
kfnnnp wrote:Yeah fair point. But we just dont know what to do. I would love to write a petition but the students are getting excluded for having there say. If these changes dont take place soon, I will be willing to write a petition. The only thing stopping me, is the chance of beng excluded. Im in my last year, I am not willing to let my grades drop. Other people in the community could write a petition, but it would be best coming from a student or a member of staff. But can we risk it? (Sorry about my poor spelling! =] )Zoeeee93 wrote:I was actually thinking more of a community petition- get students in favour of it, students families in favour of it and locals in favour of it all to sign it and send it to newspapers and what have you. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would support it.kfnnnp wrote: Also, although it may seem like a permanant desicion, if enough people offer support to change it back, likely as not it will happen. So everyone telling us to just accept it are wrong. If we just accepted everything Hitler did in WW2, what sort of state would the world be in now?I agree! We are allowed to say what we think, and after all we are the ones that have to go to this school. Especially the year 10 and 11s on the upper school site. We cant just get up and leave whenever we want, we are in the middle of our GCSE'S... you know the things that DEPENDS ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE? This is why we want changes, we had no choice to go to Oasis seeing as we are in our last years. Also, we did do a partician. Before the protest took place, at break time there was a partician passed around saying what we want to change, there were atleast 100 names signed. This was passed to a teacher and was totally ignored. And we even got told that everyone who signed this partician, could have the possibility of being excluded. But this didnt happen. When the protest was happening a teacher asked for 4 representatives. One of these has been permantly excluded. Even though he wasnt part of the riot (only the protest). How unfair is that? See this is really showing how this school is ruining our education. Being excluded for wanting to have our say? Yeah jsut brillaint?!
10 Minute Man, Bitterne says...
10:07am Mon 20 Oct 08
The failing teachers finally asked to do their jobs properly ? The feral chav kids being expected to do as they are told? Heaven forbid...