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Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas?
Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas?
Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

Get your brain in gear.
The reason for the job losses is because of the economic downturn.
Even if Dibden Bay had been wrecked the boats would still come in half empty therefore people would still be laid off, so your argument does not stand up.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas? Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

oi, bright boy! look at the trains coming in the city, the wagons are empty because we are mainly an importer and not an exporter. the ship mainly leave this port with empty containers and dibden would just end up a empty container store now!

the docks is only looking full because of the empty containers awaiting a shipping company agreeing to move them.

maybe the children of some of the men laid off could knock on your door and ask how you put two and two together and made 19???

as for the waterside councillors, they are busy trying to look after the waterside which is what they were doing when they stopped the 'white elephant' being built in the first place!

sad state off affairs once was one off the biggest employers in southampton.
this might have any thing to do with the recession but more to do with moving operations to the new location.
emdee how can you say that waterside councillors are trying to look after waterside when they are going to allow a marinia at cracknor public hard

seems spilt milk now,the new london gateway container docks will blow southampton away anyway.

ah damien thorn you heard to what going to happen.

Are Southampton docks even going to be relevant when London gateway opens?

southy wrote:
sad state off affairs once was one off the biggest employers in southampton. this might have any thing to do with the recession but more to do with moving operations to the new location. emdee how can you say that waterside councillors are trying to look after waterside when they are going to allow a marinia at cracknor public hard

is cracknore hard a good example, its a bit of a pit that could do with being turned into a marina.

we've had 'husbands' ship yard along there and then the old power station so its hardley a green wild life area like dibden is it?

i am not from the waterside but its good to see councillors out with the people trying to make there area better rather than just give it up to big business. many people on the waterside are into boats so why not a marina.

emdee, because its one of the last 2 free mooring places left for people to use,and turning it into a marinia will not be free to use and is only for people with money and big business,its not going to be for the use of locals.its also a good place to go swimming and fishing.husbands never owned the land they only squatted there then handed over to ocean estates,the family that owns the land above the highest tide mark is still the same one from a over a 100 years ago

Already been served redundancy along with 6 other colleagues, which starts a week before xmas,ABP keep sending internal vacancies for jobs in other Ports when you read the date they should be applied for the job is already gone.Most of the jobs they send you are already taken anyway

southy wrote:
emdee, because its one of the last 2 free mooring places left for people to use,and turning it into a marinia will not be free to use and is only for people with money and big business,its not going to be for the use of locals.its also a good place to go swimming and fishing.husbands never owned the land they only squatted there then handed over to ocean estates,the family that owns the land above the highest tide mark is still the same one from a over a 100 years ago

Husbands "squatted" there did they, so that a few lowlifes can swim there we should not build a nice clean high class marina?

you can swim where ever the water is, I feel you may be happier in Russia where your views may be more acceptable. its not a class war, marina's mean business for the local area. we are on the coast so a person with reasonable intellect would presume we would have facility's for the countless boats used on the solent (rich and poor)!

if the owners you trumpet are so upstanding and share your view the land will not be sold and the marina won't happen will it?

maybe locals could swim at eling mill? of course when and if its sold you will have the right to object at the planning stage so with all your friends and support you will surely stop it anyway!

Dave of Dibden wrote:

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas?
Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

Get your brain in gear.
The reason for the job losses is because of the economic downturn.
Even if Dibden Bay had been wrecked the boats would still come in half empty therefore people would still be laid off, so your argument does not stand up.

You haven't been following my posts or you wouldn't come back with such an asinine retort. Dibden Bay was a capital investment project taking several years. It would have created jobs during its construction and its operational phases - I didn't say stevedore jobs did I, I said jobs. When the recession ends as it will do, where will the large container ships go? Southampton? No, not unless there is a guaranteed berth on every trip. they'll go to Thames Haven, Felixstowe, and now thanks to Waterside Nimbyism even Teesport is getting excited. And this is where Waterside School Leavers will have to go to find those jobs after being betrayed by the previous selfish generation and their inept councilors. Only a fool would drive away investment such as this, and only a fool such as yourself would dispute that.

the owner probley dont know yet,what is happening has he dont live in the uk.i have sent a message though the grapevine. and marinas only look clean, and you saying for rich and poor you can cross out the poor the will not be able to afford marina prices,this location is a public hard and is free to all users.if they want a nice looking marina let them use part of the old marchwood power station ground,seeing that they own that

emdee wrote:

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas? Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

oi, bright boy! look at the trains coming in the city, the wagons are empty because we are mainly an importer and not an exporter. the ship mainly leave this port with empty containers and dibden would just end up a empty container store now!

the docks is only looking full because of the empty containers awaiting a shipping company agreeing to move them.

maybe the children of some of the men laid off could knock on your door and ask how you put two and two together and made 19???

as for the waterside councillors, they are busy trying to look after the waterside which is what they were doing when they stopped the 'white elephant' being built in the first place!

I wonder at your economic awareness as well as your spelling. Dibden Bay would not be ready yet, nor would it be ready for another two to three years. Do you think every existing major construction project has stopped because of the current recession? Capital investment always requires long term planning and borrowing. The Ports Strategy document (which you have clearly not read) makes it clear that more and more modern additional capacity is required to replace existing capacity and provide for the future. Don't tell me about empty container trains - Why have both EWS and GB Railfreight both set up Intermodal operations in competition to Freightliner if the outlook is so poor, eh?
This "White Elephant" as you call it did not ask Waterside residents to pay for it, so what the h*ll has it got to do with them anyway?

emdee wrote:

southy wrote:
sad state off affairs once was one off the biggest employers in southampton. this might have any thing to do with the recession but more to do with moving operations to the new location. emdee how can you say that waterside councillors are trying to look after waterside when they are going to allow a marinia at cracknor public hard

is cracknore hard a good example, its a bit of a pit that could do with being turned into a marina.

we've had 'husbands' ship yard along there and then the old power station so its hardley a green wild life area like dibden is it?

i am not from the waterside but its good to see councillors out with the people trying to make there area better rather than just give it up to big business. many people on the waterside are into boats so why not a marina.

Dibden Bay a "green wildlife area?" God you really are stupid aren't you.

come on andy dont bite m8 you know who that is,its our friends back

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Where are the Waterside Councillors now - the ones who opposed Dibden Bay? Perhaps the children of some of the men being laid off could knock on their doors and ask what plans they have to create alternative employment for their dads before christmas? Unemployment - the ugly face of Nimbyism.

Dibden Bay would be coming on-stream towards the end of the depression and be well placed to pick up new business. I understand perfectly the point you are making.

Now the future looks very different for Southampton docks, post-depression.

Security word: wage-down

southy wrote:
come on andy dont bite m8 you know who that is,its our friends back

ooh get you two?

so what colour is dibden bay and have you ever spotted wild birds etc there?

answer please?

Stupid, me sir, no sir?

have we gone off the docks thread somewhat?

yup stupid you emdee,
unlike you i am a waterside person and born has one like my parents and there parents ect, even lo it be up river and on the other side of the river test,i have see and lived though the distruction of the waterside by big business and the rich turning it in to there play ground who most dont even live in the area.its sod the locals they want or there needs they dont count

southy wrote:
yup stupid you emdee, unlike you i am a waterside person and born has one like my parents and there parents ect, even lo it be up river and on the other side of the river test,i have see and lived though the distruction of the waterside by big business and the rich turning it in to there play ground who most dont even live in the area.its sod the locals they want or there needs they dont count

NIMBY! your parents could have parked the family transit and caravan anywhere so where you were born counts for nothing, my opinion stands! common sense with no emotional attachment!

bring on a marina and the jobs that go with it.

emdee wrote:

southy wrote:
come on andy dont bite m8 you know who that is,its our friends back

ooh get you two?

so what colour is dibden bay and have you ever spotted wild birds etc there?

answer please?

Stupid, me sir, no sir?

have we gone off the docks thread somewhat?

Dibden Bay is Brownfield emdee, not greenfield, if you know the difference. It did not even exist 75 years ago so has no indiginous ecology of any value. As for birds, I see birds everywhere, not just in empty spaces - container ports make good habitats for birds of prey as it happens and no bird would be killed if it was developed. There is your answer. A sheen of grass growing over reclaimed land does not make Dibden Bay a Nature Reserve. Is that clear enough or do you need to be spoon fed?

emdee wrote:

southy wrote:
yup stupid you emdee, unlike you i am a waterside person and born has one like my parents and there parents ect, even lo it be up river and on the other side of the river test,i have see and lived though the distruction of the waterside by big business and the rich turning it in to there play ground who most dont even live in the area.its sod the locals they want or there needs they dont count

NIMBY! your parents could have parked the family transit and caravan anywhere so where you were born counts for nothing, my opinion stands! common sense with no emotional attachment!

bring on a marina and the jobs that go with it.

what jobs once its constructed it will only employ 4 people.but has the protential of wrecking marine life on the river.the docks has wipe out river bed marine life on the other side of the test.if you want a clean river then the tidal part is needed and is very important,has for didben bay i dont care what happens to the land above the highest high tide,all i care about is the tidal area and it marine life.so you saying bring on the marina it could end up costing more jobs than it makes.
has for the bit about transit and caravan well they could of but did't my family name is one of the oldest for this area

Arguing about what might or might not have been is hardly constructive debate. The ABP employees heading for the chop have to deal with what is.
Southampton's (and the UK's)economy is on a downward spiral and as the Union rep said "there are just not any jobs out there".
Don't know what the solution is any more than does anyone else. No one yet of any political persuasion anywhere in the world has come up with an economic system that avoids highs and lows, the problem being that the consumer is also the producer.

emdee wrote:

southy wrote:
yup stupid you emdee, unlike you i am a waterside person and born has one like my parents and there parents ect, even lo it be up river and on the other side of the river test,i have see and lived though the distruction of the waterside by big business and the rich turning it in to there play ground who most dont even live in the area.its sod the locals they want or there needs they dont count

NIMBY! your parents could have parked the family transit and caravan anywhere so where you were born counts for nothing, my opinion stands! common sense with no emotional attachment!

bring on a marina and the jobs that go with it.

Emdee is so lacking in local history that it has not occurred to him to wonder why Dibden Bay is not a bay any more. He is also an industrial snob. A marina is acceptable to him for some reason he cannot quantify without getting into difficulty because he knows I'll tear his argument to shreds, whereas industry is anathema to him.
I think it would be very instructive to go to the Land Registry and check all the searches for all the houses in Hythe Marina village. Did the original searches reveal that the land next door was earmarked for Port Development? Because everyone on Waterside knew about it thirty years ago. Somehow all those Hythe Marina Village residents claimed to know nothing! Perhaps Emdee suffers from similar selective amnesia.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

emdee wrote:

southy wrote: yup stupid you emdee, unlike you i am a waterside person and born has one like my parents and there parents ect, even lo it be up river and on the other side of the river test,i have see and lived though the distruction of the waterside by big business and the rich turning it in to there play ground who most dont even live in the area.its sod the locals they want or there needs they dont count

NIMBY! your parents could have parked the family transit and caravan anywhere so where you were born counts for nothing, my opinion stands! common sense with no emotional attachment! bring on a marina and the jobs that go with it.

Emdee is so lacking in local history that it has not occurred to him to wonder why Dibden Bay is not a bay any more. He is also an industrial snob. A marina is acceptable to him for some reason he cannot quantify without getting into difficulty because he knows I'll tear his argument to shreds, whereas industry is anathema to him. I think it would be very instructive to go to the Land Registry and check all the searches for all the houses in Hythe Marina village. Did the original searches reveal that the land next door was earmarked for Port Development? Because everyone on Waterside knew about it thirty years ago. Somehow all those Hythe Marina Village residents claimed to know nothing! Perhaps Emdee suffers from similar selective amnesia.

I would say that the plans for developing Dibden Bay were well known by the early 70's. We were going to buy a property on the Mount Estate (behind where the marina is now) and knew that our view of the docks (and the QE2) would one day disappear. We accepted that, but got guzumpted anyway so move further inland.

The bay was known as the reclaimed land or mud flats and everyone expected development on them.