Furious parents claim children are checked for what colour of pants and bras they wear

Daily Echo: Kings’ School Kings’ School

A TOP Hampshire school is at the centre of a uniform row over pupils’ underwear.

Furious parents say their children are being told what colour pants and bras to wear as part of strict new rules introduced at Kings School in Winchester.

Some suggested that members of staff were even checking to see if pupils were complying – a claim strongly denied by the school.

Teachers have dismissed claims they have introduced a new policy governing underwear, saying they simply gave pupils guidance on what was appropriate to wear However, parents have branded the move ridiculous and say dictating what underwear youngsters must wear is intrusive.

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They say boys have been told they can only wear white or black underpants, and if their pants are showing above their trousers, as is the current fashion, they will be asked to put a belt on.

Meanwhile girls have been told they should only wear white, unpadded bras underneath blouses.

“I think it’s disgraceful, I just don’t understand a lot of what Kings’ do,” said Leanne Hosking, who has three children aged 14, 13 and 11 – at the Romsey Road site. “The things that should be priority are not, it’s the petty things that they concentrate on.

“It causes a lot of problems, especially with my older girl.

She does not like male teachers turning her around and checking her bra.”

Another parent, Stuart Gander, who has a 15-year-old and 13-year-old daughter at the school, said: “The children feel it’s slightly intrusive if they’re asked to show they’re bra straps so teachers can see what colour it is. I would not do that to someone in my workplace.”

But Susan Southall, assistant head teacher at Kings’, insisted there were no rules governing underwear. She said they had simply held an assembly with Year 10 pupils about what was appropriate to wear.

She said: “Some of the parents are buying extremely thin blouses so we have said think carefully about what you’re wearing.

“Some of the blouses are incredibly thin and to save the girls embarrassment we helped them along with what is appropriate to wear.We suggested black bras were not appropriate.”

“No male staff members have been asked to check underwear, not even female staff would have. It would be inappropriate.”

Ms Southall added boys at the school had not been told what underwear to put on; she said it had been suggested that they just wear trousers on their hips, rather than below.

The latest dispute comes just a week after 13-year-old Kirby Moore was suspended from lessons at Kings’ for dying her hair dark brown.

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8:51am Thu 20 Nov 08

Condor Man says...

According to my wife Sholing Girls had draconian laws on dress too. The school achieved good results, pupils were ending up at Oxbridge and other top universities so for the sake of complying with uniform rules it's worth it, isn't it?
According to my wife Sholing Girls had draconian laws on dress too. The school achieved good results, pupils were ending up at Oxbridge and other top universities so for the sake of complying with uniform rules it's worth it, isn't it? Condor Man

9:20am Thu 20 Nov 08

Ian24 says...

Having gone to a school with a similar policy on uniform I belive it is a good thing.
If parents do not like the idea they have a choice not to send their kids to the school.
It is nice to see a school with standards.
When you are at school you belive its petty but it is all a part of life.
I cannot attend meetings with my trousers down to my knees and with my pants showing.
Having gone to a school with a similar policy on uniform I belive it is a good thing. If parents do not like the idea they have a choice not to send their kids to the school. It is nice to see a school with standards. When you are at school you belive its petty but it is all a part of life. I cannot attend meetings with my trousers down to my knees and with my pants showing. Ian24

9:35am Thu 20 Nov 08

Bright Spark says...

Security Words are "soil-find". Is somebody employed by The Echo to put these security words in, I mean "soil-find" has to be too much of a coincidence in relation to the story.
Security Words are "soil-find". Is somebody employed by The Echo to put these security words in, I mean "soil-find" has to be too much of a coincidence in relation to the story. Bright Spark

9:41am Thu 20 Nov 08

CyberWarrior says...

While I think it’s a bit daft to suggest that enforcing strict dress codes ensure a passage to Oxbridge, I do agree with the above posts. When I take my Daughter to Mountbatten School in the morning some of the female pupils look like Drag Queens attending a St Trinian’s convention! When a 12 year old child is being made fun of by other pupils because she is dressed like a child and not like Jail Bait, it really proves the case for enforcing a strict dress code and making sure it is adhered to by ALL pupils.
While I think it’s a bit daft to suggest that enforcing strict dress codes ensure a passage to Oxbridge, I do agree with the above posts. When I take my Daughter to Mountbatten School in the morning some of the female pupils look like Drag Queens attending a St Trinian’s convention! When a 12 year old child is being made fun of by other pupils because she is dressed like a child and not like Jail Bait, it really proves the case for enforcing a strict dress code and making sure it is adhered to by ALL pupils. CyberWarrior

9:45am Thu 20 Nov 08

hulla baloo says...

I agree with telling kids to wear belts, as seeing trousers hang down is so unsightly and scruffy.
As for he colour of girls bras, how about changing the colour of shirt to a dark one.
Problem solved.


Security word is ball-lift

Is somebody at the echo having a giraffe?

I agree with telling kids to wear belts, as seeing trousers hang down is so unsightly and scruffy. As for he colour of girls bras, how about changing the colour of shirt to a dark one. Problem solved. Security word is ball-lift Is somebody at the echo having a giraffe? hulla baloo

9:56am Thu 20 Nov 08

Vonnie says...

The problem here seems to be which version you believe. The school is saying that they are not checking underwear, the pupils are saying they are.
I know that if my daughter had been turned round to check her bra or show the colour of her straps, that person's feet wouldn't touch the ground. Standards are one thing, and I am all for them, but harrassment is another.
I have worn uniform of one sort or another throughout my life. No doubt some of these pupils will too.
I would like to see teachers in some sort of uniform. Many of them look like they have just got out of bed in the clothes that they slept in.
The problem here seems to be which version you believe. The school is saying that they are not checking underwear, the pupils are saying they are. I know that if my daughter had been turned round to check her bra or show the colour of her straps, that person's feet wouldn't touch the ground. Standards are one thing, and I am all for them, but harrassment is another. I have worn uniform of one sort or another throughout my life. No doubt some of these pupils will too. I would like to see teachers in some sort of uniform. Many of them look like they have just got out of bed in the clothes that they slept in. Vonnie

9:57am Thu 20 Nov 08

thesaint says...

daft nonsense again .
i am more interested in the quality of education ,and anyone who has gone to university can see they do not enforce a dress code .
daft nonsense again . i am more interested in the quality of education ,and anyone who has gone to university can see they do not enforce a dress code . thesaint

10:05am Thu 20 Nov 08

Georgem says...

Where are the human rights lawyers when you need them?
Where are the human rights lawyers when you need them? Georgem

10:47am Thu 20 Nov 08

marchwoodmum says...

school children are just that, schoolchildren, and should dress appropriately. I have no problems with a dress code thats adhered to. Might help control the raging hormones and testosterone levels.
school children are just that, schoolchildren, and should dress appropriately. I have no problems with a dress code thats adhered to. Might help control the raging hormones and testosterone levels. marchwoodmum

10:57am Thu 20 Nov 08

Georgem says...

marchwoodmum wrote:
school children are just that, schoolchildren, and should dress appropriately. I have no problems with a dress code thats adhered to. Might help control the raging hormones and testosterone levels.
And in what way would underpants that are not black or white be contrary to that?
[quote][p][bold]marchwoodmum[/bold] wrote: school children are just that, schoolchildren, and should dress appropriately. I have no problems with a dress code thats adhered to. Might help control the raging hormones and testosterone levels. [/p][/quote]And in what way would underpants that are not black or white be contrary to that? Georgem

11:42am Thu 20 Nov 08

Shoong says...

What's happening at Kings school?
While I would agree that any thing provocative should not be on view, what business is it of the school of what colour underwear you are wearing?

Yes a strict dress code is a good thing but this is going a bit far. As for 'controlling testosterones', if I was offered one in school I don't think I would care what colour underwear was being worn!
What's happening at Kings school? While I would agree that any thing provocative should not be on view, what business is it of the school of what colour underwear you are wearing? Yes a strict dress code is a good thing but this is going a bit far. As for 'controlling testosterones', if I was offered one in school I don't think I would care what colour underwear was being worn! Shoong

11:45am Thu 20 Nov 08

Shoong says...

Shoong wrote:
What's happening at Kings school?
While I would agree that any thing provocative should not be on view, what business is it of the school of what colour underwear you are wearing?

Yes a strict dress code is a good thing but this is going a bit far. As for 'controlling testosterones', if I was offered one in school I don't think I would care what colour underwear was being worn!
Agree with this bit though:

'she said it had been suggested that they just wear trousers on their hips, rather than below.'

I'm fed up with everywhere I go, seeing blokes with their crackers showing. Simply looks stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: What's happening at Kings school? While I would agree that any thing provocative should not be on view, what business is it of the school of what colour underwear you are wearing? Yes a strict dress code is a good thing but this is going a bit far. As for 'controlling testosterones', if I was offered one in school I don't think I would care what colour underwear was being worn![/p][/quote]Agree with this bit though: 'she said it had been suggested that they just wear trousers on their hips, rather than below.' I'm fed up with everywhere I go, seeing blokes with their crackers showing. Simply looks stupid. Shoong

11:56am Thu 20 Nov 08

Adrian Smith says...

Bright Spark wrote:
Security Words are "soil-find". Is somebody employed by The Echo to put these security words in, I mean "soil-find" has to be too much of a coincidence in relation to the story.
The security word seemed to the farmed from the story. Unfortunately that often results in, a well, unfortunate security word.
[quote][p][bold]Bright Spark[/bold] wrote: Security Words are "soil-find". Is somebody employed by The Echo to put these security words in, I mean "soil-find" has to be too much of a coincidence in relation to the story.[/p][/quote]The security word seemed to the farmed from the story. Unfortunately that often results in, a well, unfortunate security word. Adrian Smith

11:59am Thu 20 Nov 08

Adrian Smith says...

Condor Man wrote:
According to my wife Sholing Girls had draconian laws on dress too. The school achieved good results, pupils were ending up at Oxbridge and other top universities so for the sake of complying with uniform rules it's worth it, isn't it?
I agree with you - if school uniform does make a difference then enforce it. But underwear - really. If it can be seen then the children must be made to hide it - end of story. It then doesn't matter what colour it is - unless certain teachers get a thrill knowing all their pupils are in black and white knickers.

New CRB checks for all I think.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: According to my wife Sholing Girls had draconian laws on dress too. The school achieved good results, pupils were ending up at Oxbridge and other top universities so for the sake of complying with uniform rules it's worth it, isn't it?[/p][/quote]I agree with you - if school uniform does make a difference then enforce it. But underwear - really. If it can be seen then the children must be made to hide it - end of story. It then doesn't matter what colour it is - unless certain teachers get a thrill knowing all their pupils are in black and white knickers. New CRB checks for all I think. Adrian Smith

12:03pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Condor Man says...

it bemuses me when people say "it's more important to be learning" and stuff. The problem is that kids in state schools are automatically disadvantaged because they lack the structure that is instilled in kids whose parents pay for their education.

If, in the future, we want a country full of well educated and well rounded people (which in Southampton we don't have) then rules must be adhered to.
it bemuses me when people say "it's more important to be learning" and stuff. The problem is that kids in state schools are automatically disadvantaged because they lack the structure that is instilled in kids whose parents pay for their education. If, in the future, we want a country full of well educated and well rounded people (which in Southampton we don't have) then rules must be adhered to. Condor Man

12:04pm Thu 20 Nov 08

hantsmum says...

I personally think this is being blown out of proportion, I have 2 children at Kings' yr 7 & yr 11 and indeed my daughter did inform me a few days ago that she should wear a light colour bra which I totally agree with as its inappropriate to wear dark colours under a school blouse. As for the boys of course they should wear a belt with their trousers again its inappropriate at school to show your underpants! I am in favour of recent 'tightening up' at Kings' ie. bags, shoes, haircuts etc I feel for the past few years it has been rather lax. Its well proven that at schools where they have strict uniform rules the pupils achieve better the two go hand in hand.
I personally think this is being blown out of proportion, I have 2 children at Kings' yr 7 & yr 11 and indeed my daughter did inform me a few days ago that she should wear a light colour bra which I totally agree with as its inappropriate to wear dark colours under a school blouse. As for the boys of course they should wear a belt with their trousers again its inappropriate at school to show your underpants! I am in favour of recent 'tightening up' at Kings' ie. bags, shoes, haircuts etc I feel for the past few years it has been rather lax. Its well proven that at schools where they have strict uniform rules the pupils achieve better the two go hand in hand. hantsmum

12:12pm Thu 20 Nov 08

hantsmum says...

I also agree with a previous comment that teachers should also dress appropriately and set a good example.... and not just with clothes but hair, make up & manners too.....
I also agree with a previous comment that teachers should also dress appropriately and set a good example.... and not just with clothes but hair, make up & manners too..... hantsmum

12:20pm Thu 20 Nov 08

goard says...

The youth of today have a lot to answer to: youths with no guts, no value, weakness. That is our future - lower layer 'no hopers, no achievers' Do the youngster want to go there? I say, if the young girls are worth anything - learn - not necessarily academic - learn the qualities of life.

goard
The youth of today have a lot to answer to: youths with no guts, no value, weakness. That is our future - lower layer 'no hopers, no achievers' Do the youngster want to go there? I say, if the young girls are worth anything - learn - not necessarily academic - learn the qualities of life. goard goard

12:20pm Thu 20 Nov 08

goard says...

The youth of today have a lot to answer to: youths with no guts, no value, weakness. That is our future - lower layer 'no hopers, no achievers' Do the youngster want to go there? I say, if the young girls are worth anything - learn - not necessarily academic - learn the qualities of life.

goard
The youth of today have a lot to answer to: youths with no guts, no value, weakness. That is our future - lower layer 'no hopers, no achievers' Do the youngster want to go there? I say, if the young girls are worth anything - learn - not necessarily academic - learn the qualities of life. goard goard

12:42pm Thu 20 Nov 08

southy says...

if it cant been seen then dont matter,
if it cant been seen then dont matter, southy

1:23pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Lib Lob says...

Kings School is still the best Comprehensive in Winchester. The level of discipline is one of things that make it so.

Teachers are not checking pupils underwear (as some have suggested, no evidence available). The advice given was sensible and appropriate.

Children are free to express themselves with clothing/fashion outside of school hours, outside of school gates.

'Furious parents' are worse than the kids!
Kings School is still the best Comprehensive in Winchester. The level of discipline is one of things that make it so. Teachers are not checking pupils underwear (as some have suggested, no evidence available). The advice given was sensible and appropriate. Children are free to express themselves with clothing/fashion outside of school hours, outside of school gates. 'Furious parents' are worse than the kids! Lib Lob

1:38pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Sunny Saint says...

When we lived in Southampton, both my children went to Kings in Winchester. It was a hard slog to get them in, but an even harder slog for them to travel to Winchester every morning from Botley. However, My Daughter is now at Cardif Uni studying Medicine and my Son is at Edinburgh Studying Law. This I can only put down to the high standards and the subsequent high grades that they both received whilst at Kings. I applaud Kings for their standards, and I firmly believe that if parents are not happy with the rules that Kings school (and its Governors) has laid down, then they are free to take them elsewhere. Just as I did when I took my Daughter from her original Southampton school because of the poor standards there.
When we lived in Southampton, both my children went to Kings in Winchester. It was a hard slog to get them in, but an even harder slog for them to travel to Winchester every morning from Botley. However, My Daughter is now at Cardif Uni studying Medicine and my Son is at Edinburgh Studying Law. This I can only put down to the high standards and the subsequent high grades that they both received whilst at Kings. I applaud Kings for their standards, and I firmly believe that if parents are not happy with the rules that Kings school (and its Governors) has laid down, then they are free to take them elsewhere. Just as I did when I took my Daughter from her original Southampton school because of the poor standards there. Sunny Saint

1:39pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Iain says...

If I was a pupil there I'd love the ban. Sitting all the way through double maths would be so much more bearable if, my means of my hidden red underpants, I was actually a secret rebel!
If I was a pupil there I'd love the ban. Sitting all the way through double maths would be so much more bearable if, my means of my hidden red underpants, I was actually a secret rebel! Iain

1:40pm Thu 20 Nov 08

TestTickle says...

If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated.
If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated. TestTickle

1:50pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Adrian Smith says...

"Ms Southall added"

It seems from the report she made her requirements known to the school in assembly. Perhaps she should have written her ideas down and sent them to the parents first - then there would be less chance for mis-reporting.

Perhaps she will do that and the children can get on with learning again next Monday?
"Ms Southall added" It seems from the report she made her requirements known to the school in assembly. Perhaps she should have written her ideas down and sent them to the parents first - then there would be less chance for mis-reporting. Perhaps she will do that and the children can get on with learning again next Monday? Adrian Smith

2:15pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Miles Sway says...

This seems entirely reasonable - allowing young (underage) girls to go to school with their underwear obviously showing through their blouses is entirely inappropriate and if these whining parents can't see it they need a slap.
This seems entirely reasonable - allowing young (underage) girls to go to school with their underwear obviously showing through their blouses is entirely inappropriate and if these whining parents can't see it they need a slap. Miles Sway

2:17pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Meandyou says...

TestTickle wrote:
If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated.
I fully agree with you. Why should a child show their underwear! A note should go home and let the parents make sure the childs wearing the correct underwear. I would NOT want a Teacher or head checking my children! I wouldn't like to be in the Adult's shoe's if a child claims they did more then check..It could happen!
[quote][p][bold]TestTickle[/bold] wrote: If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with you. Why should a child show their underwear! A note should go home and let the parents make sure the childs wearing the correct underwear. I would NOT want a Teacher or head checking my children! I wouldn't like to be in the Adult's shoe's if a child claims they did more then check..It could happen! Meandyou

2:23pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
if it cant been seen then dont matter,
Exactly.

In stricter days gone by, the colour of ones underwear was not an issue, yet schools were mysteriously able to instill discipline nonetheless. Perhaps a £10m government-funded research project should be launched to find out how they managed it
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: if it cant been seen then dont matter,[/p][/quote]Exactly. In stricter days gone by, the colour of ones underwear was not an issue, yet schools were mysteriously able to instill discipline nonetheless. Perhaps a £10m government-funded research project should be launched to find out how they managed it Georgem

2:26pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Miles Sway says...

Meandyou wrote:
TestTickle wrote: If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated.
I fully agree with you. Why should a child show their underwear! A note should go home and let the parents make sure the childs wearing the correct underwear. I would NOT want a Teacher or head checking my children! I wouldn't like to be in the Adult's shoe's if a child claims they did more then check..It could happen!
Sigh - both of you should read the article before jumping in at the deep end; they're not being asked to show anything!
“No male staff members have been asked to check underwear, not even female staff would have. It would be inappropriate.”
If they were I'd agree with you, but the school has merely told the children what is appropriate (plainly some parents aren't able to teach them that!)
[quote][p][bold]Meandyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TestTickle[/bold] wrote: If an adult in the street asked a child to show them their underwear we would cry "kiddie-fiddler" and have them arrested (and probably stoned for good measure). Sometimes I think the nanny state goes too far in protecting people just for the hell of it (or so it seems) but this (if true) is a disgusting use of power and the activities of the school should be investigated.[/p][/quote]I fully agree with you. Why should a child show their underwear! A note should go home and let the parents make sure the childs wearing the correct underwear. I would NOT want a Teacher or head checking my children! I wouldn't like to be in the Adult's shoe's if a child claims they did more then check..It could happen![/p][/quote]Sigh - both of you should read the article before jumping in at the deep end; they're not being asked to show anything! “No male staff members have been asked to check underwear, not even female staff would have. It would be inappropriate.” If they were I'd agree with you, but the school has merely told the children what is appropriate (plainly some parents aren't able to teach them that!) Miles Sway

2:49pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Georgem says...

Well, actually Miles, it says that the school denied such allegations, not that they had actually been proven to be untrue. The parents - via pupils, admittedly - are telling a different story, which is also reported above. Who to believe?
Well, actually Miles, it says that the school denied such allegations, not that they had actually been proven to be untrue. The parents - via pupils, admittedly - are telling a different story, which is also reported above. Who to believe? Georgem

2:50pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Georgem says...

For the record I find it difficult to believe in this litigation-happy day-and-age, that any teacher would be checking the colour of a pupils underwear, but stranger things have happened
For the record I find it difficult to believe in this litigation-happy day-and-age, that any teacher would be checking the colour of a pupils underwear, but stranger things have happened Georgem

5:20pm Thu 20 Nov 08

juan101 says...

I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle.
I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle. juan101

5:22pm Thu 20 Nov 08

ronniemitch says...

My daughter overheard someone in her class get told of two days in a row for wearing a coloured bra! The second time, the teacher said she would write a referal and give it the the headteacher and stand outside her head of years office to look at it (who is a man). This is just not right. If she wasnt in year 11, i would find a new school for my child.

I think this is too far. The school have also introduced new rules about the children wearing no colour except black hair bands and clips. This does not effect the childrens learning and they should focus more on the less intellegant pupils. All this school cares about are the grades they get and looking good. There is proof, but noone believes the pupils.

I agree that there is no proof for checking pants, but im am not speing money on a white unpaded 'training bra' for my child to be uncomforbable. The school need to learn to care about the education more than looking good!
My daughter overheard someone in her class get told of two days in a row for wearing a coloured bra! The second time, the teacher said she would write a referal and give it the the headteacher and stand outside her head of years office to look at it (who is a man). This is just not right. If she wasnt in year 11, i would find a new school for my child. I think this is too far. The school have also introduced new rules about the children wearing no colour except black hair bands and clips. This does not effect the childrens learning and they should focus more on the less intellegant pupils. All this school cares about are the grades they get and looking good. There is proof, but noone believes the pupils. I agree that there is no proof for checking pants, but im am not speing money on a white unpaded 'training bra' for my child to be uncomforbable. The school need to learn to care about the education more than looking good! ronniemitch

6:04pm Thu 20 Nov 08

womaninwinchester says...

This has all been made into a news story by two parents of 1600! What a load of rubbish this is. Do people not read what Ms Southall said in her iterview with The Echo?????? "
Susan Southall, assistant head teacher at Kings’, insisted there were no rules governing underwear. She said they had simply held an assembly with Year 10 pupils about what was appropriate to wear.

She said: “Some of the parents are buying extremely thin blouses so we have said think carefully about what you’re wearing.

“Some of the blouses are incredibly thin and to save the girls embarrassment we helped them along with what is appropriate to wear.We suggested black bras were not appropriate.”

“No male staff members have been asked to check underwear, not even female staff would have. It would be inappropriate.”

Ms Southall added boys at the school had not been told what underwear to put on; she said it had been suggested that they just wear trousers on their hips, rather than below."
This is a classic case of chinese whispers....... a talk was given to the year 10's that was all.
If I were to wear a black or pink or what ever coloured bra under a white blouse I would expect to be spoken to by my manager? Why do parents let pupils go to school with their coloured bras under white blouses? Why do they let boys wear their trousers lows down their bottoms so their boxers show??? If they want to do this outside of school in their everyday clothes fine but any self respecting school would not let this happen.
As for checking pupils underwear again this is total rubbish! Who would want to do that job anyway!!!!!!
Contact the school if you have a problem why go straight to the papers?
Also there cannot be much other news around at the moment if this is making headlines ...

This has all been made into a news story by two parents of 1600! What a load of rubbish this is. Do people not read what Ms Southall said in her iterview with The Echo?????? " Susan Southall, assistant head teacher at Kings’, insisted there were no rules governing underwear. She said they had simply held an assembly with Year 10 pupils about what was appropriate to wear. She said: “Some of the parents are buying extremely thin blouses so we have said think carefully about what you’re wearing. “Some of the blouses are incredibly thin and to save the girls embarrassment we helped them along with what is appropriate to wear.We suggested black bras were not appropriate.” “No male staff members have been asked to check underwear, not even female staff would have. It would be inappropriate.” Ms Southall added boys at the school had not been told what underwear to put on; she said it had been suggested that they just wear trousers on their hips, rather than below." This is a classic case of chinese whispers....... a talk was given to the year 10's that was all. If I were to wear a black or pink or what ever coloured bra under a white blouse I would expect to be spoken to by my manager? Why do parents let pupils go to school with their coloured bras under white blouses? Why do they let boys wear their trousers lows down their bottoms so their boxers show??? If they want to do this outside of school in their everyday clothes fine but any self respecting school would not let this happen. As for checking pupils underwear again this is total rubbish! Who would want to do that job anyway!!!!!! Contact the school if you have a problem why go straight to the papers? Also there cannot be much other news around at the moment if this is making headlines ... womaninwinchester

6:07pm Thu 20 Nov 08

womaninwinchester says...

juan101 wrote:
I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle.
Here here Juan101
[quote][p][bold]juan101[/bold] wrote: I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle.[/p][/quote]Here here Juan101 womaninwinchester

6:08pm Thu 20 Nov 08

southy says...

and ronniemitch that what it should be education and not looks,mind you the school kids all way go commano style, then there be no problem on colour
and ronniemitch that what it should be education and not looks,mind you the school kids all way go commano style, then there be no problem on colour southy

6:11pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Paul TS says...

Think it extreme to make issues about what type of underwear kids have to wear. However I do think that all schools need to look at how most kids turn up to school these days, e.g. Ties partly undone with big knots, shirts not tucked in to trousers, girls with too much makeup and often looking like they're on their way to a club, rather than school. Also even yung lads having their hair died blonde!! (yes, at 13 in my sons class!!). Perhaps if they could at least all conform to some dress code at school, then it would help with a more conformist society in general for the future? Or perhaps I'm just getting a little bit older, but it wasn't like this when I was a knipper and if I turned up to school looking like most kids do today, I would have been sent home, or tolf to fo my tie up and tuck my trousers in properly!! The problem is pier pressure, if no one could get away with dressing more or less how they want, most kids would not feel that they weren't being cool by CONFORMING to RULESSSSS!!!
Think it extreme to make issues about what type of underwear kids have to wear. However I do think that all schools need to look at how most kids turn up to school these days, e.g. Ties partly undone with big knots, shirts not tucked in to trousers, girls with too much makeup and often looking like they're on their way to a club, rather than school. Also even yung lads having their hair died blonde!! (yes, at 13 in my sons class!!). Perhaps if they could at least all conform to some dress code at school, then it would help with a more conformist society in general for the future? Or perhaps I'm just getting a little bit older, but it wasn't like this when I was a knipper and if I turned up to school looking like most kids do today, I would have been sent home, or tolf to fo my tie up and tuck my trousers in properly!! The problem is pier pressure, if no one could get away with dressing more or less how they want, most kids would not feel that they weren't being cool by CONFORMING to RULESSSSS!!! Paul TS

6:14pm Thu 20 Nov 08

Paul TS says...

NB: Sorry about previous typo errors! In a rush, or perhaps it was just a bad education!
NB: Sorry about previous typo errors! In a rush, or perhaps it was just a bad education! Paul TS

7:54pm Thu 20 Nov 08

obelisker says...

This week I am mostly wearing blue pants......
This week I am mostly wearing blue pants...... obelisker

8:53pm Thu 20 Nov 08

lindar says...

I think it is good children have rules to work around, they have a chance to behave like an adult. If you were a female teacher, you wouldn't want to sit in a room full of boys with brightly coloured pants on half way down their knees. Same as the girls, if there are busty girls in the class with black and red bra's on then it is a bit offputting for male teachers dont you think?? My child goes to kings and has been informed about the bra's and boxer situation, by other pupils. But has told me no-one has been checked and the headteacher/ deputy... havent spoke to their year group. Lin
I think it is good children have rules to work around, they have a chance to behave like an adult. If you were a female teacher, you wouldn't want to sit in a room full of boys with brightly coloured pants on half way down their knees. Same as the girls, if there are busty girls in the class with black and red bra's on then it is a bit offputting for male teachers dont you think?? My child goes to kings and has been informed about the bra's and boxer situation, by other pupils. But has told me no-one has been checked and the headteacher/ deputy... havent spoke to their year group. Lin lindar

10:08pm Thu 20 Nov 08

martinblue says...

Forgive the scepticism but is it a pure coincidence that one of the "furious parents" quoted appears to be the same parent whose daughter was disciplined for the dyed hair episode - again faithfully reported!! Grudge against this excellent school or just jealous of success? Move on Echo!
Forgive the scepticism but is it a pure coincidence that one of the "furious parents" quoted appears to be the same parent whose daughter was disciplined for the dyed hair episode - again faithfully reported!! Grudge against this excellent school or just jealous of success? Move on Echo! martinblue

8:47am Fri 21 Nov 08

rijo12 says...

While I understand the reasons for the schools stance on this issue, it seems yet again it's only the girls who are targeted. The boys seem to have different rules including being able to wear their hair as long as they like. Kings are no help at all in my battles with my son over haircuts.
While I understand the reasons for the schools stance on this issue, it seems yet again it's only the girls who are targeted. The boys seem to have different rules including being able to wear their hair as long as they like. Kings are no help at all in my battles with my son over haircuts. rijo12

9:59am Fri 21 Nov 08

hantsmum says...

womaninwinchester wrote:
juan101 wrote: I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle.
Here here Juan101

[quote][p][bold]womaninwinchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juan101[/bold] wrote: I would take all of this with a pinch of salt. Looks like some kids have exaggerated what really happened and the parents have gone to the press. The bottom line is that these people do not like rules and think they have the 'right' to behave as they wish. The parents should be supporting the school and telling their offspring to get on with their work. Once again, however, the 'Echo' has jumped at the chance to headline such rubbish. Last time we had one of the Echo's best reporters (Andrew Napier) writing the story about the madams who dyed their hair. Mr Napier should be employed to write stories that represent news not tittle tattle.[/p][/quote]Here here Juan101[/p][/quote] hantsmum
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