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Rowdy final debate on issue of fluoride in Southampton's water


THE debate could have run and run.

Feelings ran high on both sides of the argument during a heated third and final fluoridation Question Time-style event last night, with many speakers on the panel and in the audience shouted down by hecklers.

The debate failed to bring any consensus on the controversial plans to add fluoride to the tap water delivered to nearly 200,000 people in and around Southampton.

One speaker compared the polarised nature of the arguments to the Battle of Agincourt, but in the end it was more reminiscent of the long periods of stalemate on the Western Front during the First World War.

The evening was almost entirely split between two camps, both firmly entrenched in their views and steadfastly refusing to budge, while throwing arguments – and insults – at the other side.

Anyone in the 150-strong audience who started the night neutral on the subject was likely to have taken away as many questions as they received answers.

A majority of those at St Mary’s Stadium spoke of their concerns about possible negative side effects and public safety, and grave opposition to the removal of choice fluoridation would bring.

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But others on the floor talked about the potential to improve dental health in Southampton’s children, and reduce inequalities between rich and poor in the city.

Experts on the fours t r o n g panel were e q u a l l y split.

Fluoride works topically from the outside.

It makes as much sense to swallow it to improve teeth as it does to swallow sun lotion to protect your skin,” said Professor Paul Connett, director of the Fluoride Action Network.

He also argued there is a lack of evidence to prove fluoridation is safe.

But England’s chief dental officer, Dr Barry Cockcroft said he believes adding fluoride to the water is right for Southampton.

“There are two key messages around fluoridation: It works to reduce tooth decay and there is no credible evidence that it c a u s e s h e a l t h p r o b - lems,” he said.

T h e r e are just two weeks left for people to have their say on the scheme by submitting their views to South Central Strategic Health Authority, which will make the final decision on fluoridation. The public consultation ends on December 19.

Comments(4)

maggiemay170 says...
4:29pm Thu 4 Dec 08

I have given my views to the Strategic Health Authority. It felt like it does when I vote in elections, knowing full well that the party I voted for won't win. They have already made up their minds and are just going through the motions of a public consultation.

stuartjebbitt says...
10:58pm Thu 4 Dec 08

The decision to go ahead was made before the 'consultation' started. The consultation is merely a carefully orchestrated front to give the impression that local people had a say.
From last nights 'Question time'
the anger of local people was very very clear. All the pro comments came from carefully placed NHS and SHA employees, who made statements rather than asked questions, and had no trouble being passed the mic, when Hampshire against Fluoridation members were curiously overlooked again and again.
The falseness of it was obvious to anyone there. When the fluoride finally hits our water, it'll be 2010 and an election will be on.
If I were John Denham or Alan Whitehead I'd be seriously worried about losing my seat.

Jim Schultz says...
1:37am Tue 9 Dec 08

Just
a update as Levy at Iowa has admitted the long awaited study shows little relationship of fluoride dose to cavities reduction but to increased dental fluorisis yes it does increase it. They stated the term optimal fluoridation is problmatic as ingested fluoride has little proved benefit. Just like Burt and Eklund In the Dental text optimal dose is a term that should not be used. It has no proof as topical is the benefit.. No researcher has yet to show that topical happens at 1ppm but your health services in August stated strongly that toothpaste below 1000ppm has weak or little benefit to young kids. I'M confused now how 1ppm has topical benefit. So are the researchers but still we hear this claim. The great majority of developed countries have rejected fluoridation but have decreased cavities as much or more then the few countries who do. See WHO data at fluoridealert.org... In the US no difference is detectable from fluoridation in 50 states but income predicts dental caries best in every state not fluoride. That chart is also available. Michael Easley DDS head promoter said to those resisting fluoridation "Nobody drags anyone to a water faucet and makes them drink. Dig a well. Move out of the country." Houston we have a problem.Truth has a low priority for some that want 100% compliance.

Jim Schultz says...
2:00am Tue 9 Dec 08

Ask to see the AWWA standard for b703-06 and its list of full page of never mentioned to the public contaminates. Most are radioactive as they also produce uranium at phopsphate mines when the price makes it profitable. Arsenic tops the list and the H2SiF6 is excellent at leaching lead from brass even at 1ppm. So h@SiF6 is perfect to destroy water quality and damage pipes as well as bones over 20 years as it builds levels as a cumulative toxin. For kids it is known to drasticly increase osteosarcoma in several studies and rat data. On the basis of the Harvard study hidden for years the EPA Unions (11) asked for immediate moratorium and full congressional investigations as they believed fraud has happened. Many times over. Now that is a red flag to the wise. Who do your health service serve? Have they mentioned these issues or covered them up? The 2000 York review found fluoridation tripled dental fluorosis from 15% up to 48% with a horible 12.5% with cosmetic damage needing repair. Dr. Hardy Limeback notices the repairs cost more then the claimed cavity reduction which does not happen anyway. I dental fluorosis good. The numbers are slightly higher in Ireland at about 53-54%. Dental fluorosis is a good indicator of bone defects in some studies but only when you look. Same in the first test city in US just never mentrioned to the public. Part of the cover -up method that has worked so well for the health services. Newburgh now has slightly more cavities but aslmost double dental fluorosis as never fdluoridated Kinston after 60 years. Now that's failure not success. The AEC helped fake the data to protect the nuclear industry and atomic weapons. See the Fluoride Deception by Chris Bryson. A wealth of once secret success at fraud by the US health services. Our gift to you. Drink with caution.


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