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£55m scheme could see treated effluent pumped into River Itchen


HAMPSHIRE’S drinking supplies will need to be topped up with millions of litres of recycled sewage water within two decades, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The £55m scheme is outlined in a startling new report that warns the county is heading for a major water shortage.

Taps will run dry by 2030 if millions of pounds is not invested in creating new water sources, according to a report commissioned by the powerful body charged with setting out a vision for the region’s future development.

Other schemes include building a desalination plant at Fawley, which would turn seawater into tap water.

Towing icebergs from the Arctic to the Hampshire coast was among the most extreme measures touted by water chiefs to solve emergency shortages.

The impending crisis has come to a head because the water companies have been told they must dramatically reduce how much water they take from the River Itchen in dry summers.

One of the preferred solutions is to “top up” the Itchen with treated effluent water.

Under the plan, water partially cleaned at the Portswood Wastewater Treatment Works would be pumped about three miles north and released into the river at Gaters Mill in West End.

Consultants Atkins said it would increase river flows and provide additional water downstream to be abstracted and used for public supply.

This already happens at the Chickenhall Wastewater Treatment Works, in Eastleigh, where recycled water is abstracted by Portsmouth Water a short distance downstream and then purified.

However, most effluent water is currently flushed out into estuaries and then the sea.

Water experts insist recycled water is safe to drink, but the drastic scheme has already caused a stink with the Environment Agency (EA).

The EA’s Hampshire and Isle of Wight water resources manager Rod Murchie said pumping more effluent water into the Itchen could damage its ecology.

“We think the Itchen is taking as much effluent as it can handle and treating even more effluent would also require a huge energy output, which goes against what we are trying to achieve,” he said.

The recycled wastewater plan was one of seven preferred options outlined in the South Hampshire Integrated Water Management Strategy, commissioned by the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire (PUSH).

The 256-page document says that up to £220m must be spent on new water sources to meet a shortfall of up to 125 million litres a day by 2030.

Other preferred schemes include increasing the capacity of the treatment works at Testwood and a new winter storage reservoir at Havant Thicket.

The Isle of Wight would also become self-sufficient by developing its own wastewater recycling system at Sandown.

However Meyrick Gough, water resource and planning manager at Southern Water, yesterday said that since the production of the PUSH report further studies had drawn up a new list of preferred solutions.

These include universal metering, infrastructure improvements and augmenting the flows in the river, when they are very low, with groundwater sources.

Mr Murchie said lengthy discussions with Southern Water and Portsmouth Water were ongoing and a final list of preferred new water source options would be revealed when the water companies publish their final business plans in April.

See today's Daily Echo for the full story.

Comments(39)

hulla baloo says...
10:35am Fri 9 Jan 09

Another Labour plan to encourage us to recycle?
And fines for not doing so.


As I understand it, the major reason for water loss is leakages through water mains and pipes.
How about sorting that out first, before attempting anything else.

southy says...
11:35am Fri 9 Jan 09

hulla baloo wrote:
Another Labour plan to encourage us to recycle?
And fines for not doing so.


As I understand it, the major reason for water loss is leakages through water mains and pipes.
How about sorting that out first, before attempting anything else.
no there's more to it than that.
the water table been slowly dropping over the last few million years, all due ice age ending and whats not been helping is that we not been getting any high levels of snow,(snow when it thaws out do,s so slowly and will soak deep in to the ground, where,s has rain will only soak the top layers and most will run off the land in to the river,drizzle is better than hard rain)
what would be a better idea to do with the sewage would be to pump it up to the water-cress farm.( they do this in neada) you can drink the water, and eat the cress and have no worries of falling ill.

Bright Spark says...
11:59am Fri 9 Jan 09

Why don't we continue to send our sewage down Southampton Water to Portsmouth for their locals to drink as we've been doing for centuries?

goard says...
12:29pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Watercress - thats the answer. It may not entirely be the answer but let us look at the health giving qualities of this 'farm'. I would rather have acres of watercress farms than acreage of purifying vats cleansing our sewerage - why oh why do we not have these acreage of water farms rather than these questionable chemical laboratories?
Land, if available, are there to build upon. What a sick society we live in!

goard

stay local says...
12:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09

You must wonder if the Echo is just taking the pizz.

Portsmouth has had this pleasure for many years as water is taken from the Itchen between Woodmill and Mansbridge both of which are below the sewage treatment plant which discharges into the river in Chickenhall lane in Eastleigh.

Andy Locks Heath says...
12:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09

I drank sewage all through my student years, though we called it Whitbread Trophy back then.
PS Good post Southy.

D'Arcy Sarto says...
1:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09

We should be building a national network of large resevoirs to take the floodwaters (and alleviate the house damage). If a way could be found to UV stabilize the glut of recycled plastics that we have they could be made into small spheres and left to float on the surface of the resevoirs to stop most of the evaporation. The trouble is that we stupidly sold off our utilities companies and the profits have lined sharholders pockets rather than beng invested in long term national projects such as resevoirs.
I don't belive that we had this number of water leaks from mains pipes during nationalisaton. Rather than spend profits on expensive leak repair the greedy companies would rather use lack of rainwater as an excuse to make us all fit water meters and line their pockets even more. Electric, Gas, Water..they are all SERVICES.Not everything in this world should have to make a profit.

Miles Sway says...
2:01pm Fri 9 Jan 09

D'Arcy
I Believe the leaks etc were there whilst these companies were nationalised industries and the private companies simply inherited the problem. I know there have been various targets placed on them to reduce wastage, but even so the amount lost due to leaks is unbelievable.
The problem is that to fix the leaks, which would probably mean there's plenty of water really, is so expensive (and disruptive) that the cost falls heavily on consumers, or results in no profit to shareholders, neither of which would be acceptable.
In the end it's cheaper to have solutions like those proposed. Not nice though.

southy says...
2:19pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Miles Sway wrote:
D'Arcy
I Believe the leaks etc were there whilst these companies were nationalised industries and the private companies simply inherited the problem. I know there have been various targets placed on them to reduce wastage, but even so the amount lost due to leaks is unbelievable.
The problem is that to fix the leaks, which would probably mean there's plenty of water really, is so expensive (and disruptive) that the cost falls heavily on consumers, or results in no profit to shareholders, neither of which would be acceptable.
In the end it's cheaper to have solutions like those proposed. Not nice though.
there was not that many,at the end of nationalize, water and gas pipes was being lined with a plastic pipe. but when m.thatcher government de-nationalize this program stop, the pipes that are leaking a little bit are the ones that did not get lined with the new plastic pipe(its mainly the joints that are leaking in the old cast iron pipes)any crack pipes will blow out flood the area, so you see its not that bad here.

Lone Ranger says...
2:23pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Towing icebergs from the Arctic to the Hampshire coast was among the most extreme measures touted by water chiefs to solve emergency shortages.

Now thats what i call thinking outside the box

southy says...
2:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09

ps thanx andy, we use to call it brickwoods indian pale ale

Paramjit Bahia says...
2:50pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Didn't Thatcher's terrible mob tell us that privatisation will fix all the problems? Now it is obvious that was not true and was typical Tory lie.

Why on earth this New Labour has failed to take these companies into public ownership and run those in public interest?

Unless that is done soon, one day these firms will end up creating similar conditions in our rivers that had forced British government to nationalise water in the first place. Obviously there is a good chance of history repeating itself.

Paramjit Bahia says...
3:01pm Fri 9 Jan 09

D'Arcy you have hit the nail on the head. Well done.

Sadly church preacher's son Gordon Brown and his banker friendly buddies are too busy reading the bible of free enterprise authored by the woman who has lost her marbles, Thatcher.

fatboy says...
3:05pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Why don't they save some of the winter excess water? Build some underground ressies, and lets start a campaign for a de-salination (maybe wrong spelling sorry) to use salt water. That would also solve some of the rising sea level issues.

Georgem says...
3:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09

One way or another, all the world's water's recycled in some way by now

teh says...
4:29pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Wait a moment, when was the last hot summer? Global warming is a load of tosh and the last few years after that "Massive record breaking hot summer" has proved it. The world is changing, and with the caps melting due to a natural global change there will be more water to evaporate thus causing more rain there for less drought?

Come on people, wake up and use your heads.

wilsamsaints says...
7:00pm Fri 9 Jan 09

I THINK R LOWE HAS BEEN DOING THIS ALREADY AS HES BEEN TALKING A LOAD OF BUL****T FOR YEARS

sammy78 says...
7:45pm Fri 9 Jan 09

I think we're all full of s***!

obelisker says...
7:52pm Fri 9 Jan 09

According to actress Sarah Miles, if you plan to drink your own waste, take from the mid-flow bit and knock it back in one.....cheers!!!

sinbad says...
8:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09

All water is re-cycled anyway.

There are no sea level rise issues.

Iceberg towing has been talked about for decades and won't happen.

reduce the population and reduce demand.

The Grey Mystery says...
3:02am Sat 10 Jan 09

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
D'Arcy you have hit the nail on the head. Well done. Sadly church preacher's son Gordon Brown and his banker friendly buddies are too busy reading the bible of free enterprise authored by the woman who has lost her marbles, Thatcher.
cant wait for the evil **** to die, what a party for the masses,they wont be throwing flowers at her state funeral

Andy Locks Heath says...
9:17am Sat 10 Jan 09

The Grey Mystery wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
D'Arcy you have hit the nail on the head. Well done. Sadly church preacher's son Gordon Brown and his banker friendly buddies are too busy reading the bible of free enterprise authored by the woman who has lost her marbles, Thatcher.
cant wait for the evil **** to die, what a party for the masses,they wont be throwing flowers at her state funeral
SO which successful socialist economic model can you point to that delivers so much prosperity to so many? Albania? North Korea? THis idea that somehow the public sector delivers better value for money compared to the private sector is not proven, and is fuelled by this fiction of a phantom army of rich shareholders living of the sweat of mass labour. We are the shareholders FFS!! PLCs these days are owned by pension funds, ISAs and investment trusts which we all pay into. I challenge anyone criticising Margaret Thatcher to explain in detail how any public utility was better run, managed and funded than they are today because they weren;t. The idea that there was this unlimited pot of money available to a public utility just because they were public just shows an ignorance of economics.

D'Arcy Sarto says...
9:50am Sat 10 Jan 09

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
The Grey Mystery wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: D'Arcy you have hit the nail on the head. Well done. Sadly church preacher's son Gordon Brown and his banker friendly buddies are too busy reading the bible of free enterprise authored by the woman who has lost her marbles, Thatcher.
cant wait for the evil **** to die, what a party for the masses,they wont be throwing flowers at her state funeral
SO which successful socialist economic model can you point to that delivers so much prosperity to so many? Albania? North Korea? THis idea that somehow the public sector delivers better value for money compared to the private sector is not proven, and is fuelled by this fiction of a phantom army of rich shareholders living of the sweat of mass labour. We are the shareholders FFS!! PLCs these days are owned by pension funds, ISAs and investment trusts which we all pay into. I challenge anyone criticising Margaret Thatcher to explain in detail how any public utility was better run, managed and funded than they are today because they weren;t. The idea that there was this unlimited pot of money available to a public utility just because they were public just shows an ignorance of economics.
Andy, I completely agree with your comments on share ownership and i believe that it is the cause of alot of stress in our worklives, which impacts so heavily on our home lives.Before so many people had private pensions, ISAs etc the people investing in companies generally had an interest in many aspects of how that company was run. Now we have fund managers who are paid only to get the maximum return on the investment only. This has resulted in so many people being on short term contracts as the client company continually shift contracts for that extra small profit. This results in workers who have no respect for the contract companys who hire and fire them and little continiuity of valuable work knowledge on the particular workplace. In short, many people don't take pride in their work, have no job satisfaction and generally don't 'care'..and all because THEIR fund manager is screwing down the contract price on their employer for THEIR BENEFIT! What a crazy situation.
People moan (quite rightly) about QUANGOS but so many aspects of our lives are heavily impacted by the decisions of anonymous fund managers. Who can honestly say they know what all their investments are funding? YOU may well have a fund manager working hard to get YOUR pay cut by a few hundred quid , to give you a few quid a year on YOUR pension!

D'Arcy Sarto says...
9:57am Sat 10 Jan 09

To clarify my comments a little.... I'm not suggesting the fund managers are directly responsible for cutting your wages, but if the companys profits aren't great enough then the fund managers will invest elsewhere. Either way it all amounts to the same result.

Andy Locks Heath says...
11:00am Sat 10 Jan 09

That's an interesting observation D'Arcy. One thing is for sure - our notion of our wealth is illusory. Last year my house was "worth" a lot more than it is today but in truth I haven't gained or lost anything. And it's the same with investment funds - the unit prices go up and down and we may appear to have lost thousands, but we never had those thousands in the first place. It was the South Sea Bubble all over again. I like your juxtaposition with the rise in flexible labour resources - that's a whole new area on its own but it does make our recovery a lot quicker (when it finally comes).

southy says...
1:25pm Sat 10 Jan 09

hi andy i noted that you dont say any thing about the richer socialist countrys like Libya. who put there people before money. there state ownership companys was base on the uk model, and look at them theres no shortages no greed, they are not feeling any of the recession, on the whole they better of then we are or the usa

Andy Locks Heath says...
3:08pm Sat 10 Jan 09

Southy are you seriously saying that the average per capita income in Libya is comparable to this country's? or its welfare state? its streets? Its education? Its transport? If you think Libya is better than here then why are there not hoards of people flocking from around the world to live there? Ah yes, that's because they wouldn't be allowed because it is in fact a police state where movement even within its borders is tightly controlled and "foreigners" are branded as imperialists It is not a democratic country but a despotic dictatorship controlled by a corrupt elite. They don't have much respect for human life in Libya either, but hey ho, that's socialism.........

southy says...
3:39pm Sat 10 Jan 09

andy mate its not a dictortorship they have elections every 4 to 5 years for a pm and president, and yes they do control foreigners coming into there country, that intented to stay and live there,even lo its a musslim country, they do not even allow other musslims into there country unless they are going there for a holiday, there people are well look after, they want for nothing, the people are free to do more or less what they want to, there health service is better than ours now and is on par with with canada and australia,they dont pay for water,electic or gas thats all paid for by the state oil.the people are free to come and go has they please there is very little crime and is far from a police state the uk is closer to a police state than libya, why do you think the usa hates that country so much

Andy Locks Heath says...
4:14pm Sat 10 Jan 09

My ex partner's father is a Libyan, He left to study in Italy and was very glad to get out of his homeland and never return. How quickly we forget that the untouchable and corrupt elite of this wonderful democratic paradise shot and killed WPC Yvonne Fletcher in her own contry while doing her job, and that its secret service planted the bomb that exploded over Lockerbie. There is nothing that this despotic nasty little fiefdom of Gadaffi can teach us - unless it's how to pull the wool ofer people's eyes by pretending to be governed by en elected president when every Libyan knows who wields the real power.
Any others you care to suggest? - I'll see your Cuba and I'll raise you Germany and Sweden. Your call.

southy says...
4:44pm Sat 10 Jan 09

andy it was iranians that shot wpc yvonne fletcher, not libyan the shot was fired from the iranian embassy.
i know that lockerbie accident was a sad error, even lo i do not condone bombing of any sort, but what the usa would not tell the world, is that the usa sent in arm force in to libya to kill 15 libya government leaders and try and put a new government in. all because the usa did not like what they did to there oil and that was to give it to the people and to run there country. it was pay back that bomb there was an error in timing it should of gone off over the atlantic according to uk government investcation.Gadaffi is no longer president he been voted out some time back, but the country has stayed the same, if you ever get the chance to go there do so its nothing like how the the americans protray it or want you to how to see it,libya is like cuba it will keep it self to it self and not interfere with other counrtys unless some one trys to interfere with them

Andy Locks Heath says...
5:00pm Sat 10 Jan 09

if I ever have the desire to lower my standard of living, reduce my choice of what to eat, wear, say, and think; if I ever want to travel back in time to a religion that thinks time stopped in AD500 then I will go to Libya. FOr all its problems I enjoy a far better standard of life and freedom here - I can even criticise the government on these forums without being arrested by the secret police and my family threatened.
So I'm still waiting to hear of a socialist economic paradise where freedom and prosperity exceed what we have here. Perhaps we could "improve" things with a bit of what Margaret Thatcher swept away -ridiculous job demarcation,working to rule, no communication with other utilities, lightning strikes, - ah all that public sector efficiency could really show the private sector utilities a thing or two eh?

southy says...
6:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09

so kodak 4 year strike was in the public sector,wapping to. both private sector and there was others to,most strikes in the public sector was not about pay, but about other things like safty and working conditions, or about saving there jobs.
your not likey to get arrested for criticise the government in libya, they tend to listen to there people better than are do's,and there standard of living is about the same has ours, and in some cases its better, they have every thing that we got, there roads are concrete, but there is still alot of dirt roads, they are not like most musslims countrys, go there for a holiday andy just for a week or two and see for your self,it will suprize you, its nothing like how the usa protrays or lead you on how they want you to think its like, i had the same impression has you when ask could i go there for a 4 week job. i took the job and i glad i did it open my eyes up. i was expecting the same has the counrty next door algeria there you do have to be very careful you cant even bush up accidently against a female, let alone shaking hands with one like i did in libya. but andy dont take my word for it or any body else or what you read, the only way for you to know is going there your self and seeing it with your own eyes.
ps andy they dont added chemicals to there drinking water, oh have a look at the venus project movement tell me what you think about it.

Paramjit Bahia says...
4:01am Sun 11 Jan 09

Dear Andy,

I am thankful to D'Arcy and Southy for addressing some of the points you raised in response to my message over the state of our water industry. So not much left for me bar pointing out some loose bits in your line of thought.

First why are you overlooking why the water industry was nationalised even by a non socialist government? Because in private hands quality of drinking water was disgraceful and some of the rivers polluted. Profits were put before people's health.

When Tories privatised water they told the nation that private investment and competition will resolve all the problems. Have they? Water charges have gone through the roof and now you are being told to start drinking sewerage, Oh well, it may only be a headline in the press but basic point raised is that we still have clean water shortages and more to come.

Now about rest of your criticism of socialism:

You have rightly pointed finger at couple of failed dictatorships. Odd examples can always be found. You only have to look at what relaxing of regulations adoption of free market and globalisation has done to UK and USA. Both nations are in thickest possible sh.t. In USA poverty has increased, soup kitchens do exist to feed the poor. Now compare that to upcoming economies of China and India. While I will be the last one to deny that there is no poverty, they have made enormous progress through economies based on socialist principles. In Indian case through both mixed public and private enterprise.

You seem to forget that pride of British excellence Rolls Royce went wrong under Thatcher and had to be rescued by the government with public money. Strange kind of capitalism was it not? Even Tories resorting to socialist methods to save the skin of the useless bosses?

Regarding your standard of living remarks. It is all subjective, as I was told by a follower of Mahatma Gandhi in India, who took me to visit a family under a tent. They told me how happy they were, because unlike us they have no stress of keep on making monthly payments to credit cards to keep shoes on our feet. What ever little they had was theirs, and they did not pollute the environment like we do.

Finally yes under socialism or real Gandhian societies rate of progress may be slow, but risks of big bangs are also far less, ad fewer people suffer from stress, that is why many British and Americans youngsters are trying to look for peace in Himalayas Mountain states. While mentioning the father of your ex wish you had thought of those youngsters as well. Such examples exist on all sides.

Good night.

Andy Locks Heath says...
9:43am Sun 11 Jan 09

Happy to acknowledge enjoyable thoughtful and intelligent posts by Paramjit and Southy. I am not a Thatcherite capitalist, and it's clear I'm not a socialist either. I am in favour of moderate intervention when the underlying business is sound - another good example for me apart from Rolls Royce is shipbuilding and heavy engineering such as the rail industry, where you need to maintain a presence between capital phases or lose the market forever which is what has happened. Anyway, A good Government would set parameters and standards by which a privatised utility must operate, such as provision of reservoir capacity. They would also have established a strategic Water Authority to create an integrated infrastructure for water supply. The Conservatives failed to establish this good governance but that was 15 years ago, and the blame now passes fairly and squarely to the inept incompetent present Government, so I do not see the relevance of using the past to justify present decision making and going back to have yet another pop at Margaret Thatcher, as though it somehow illumninates the current issue is pointless.

southy says...
1:39pm Sun 11 Jan 09

why we talk about thatcher andy is because this is where the problems really started, i know we had problems before but they was not has big, and would never get us into big trouble,how willson and the man before him set things up would keep us on the edge of any recession and not let us go deep into it, so when the recession ended we was able to fly out of it faster than any other country and this work well for 20 years and our biggest dept to america (ww2)was nearly paid off in 1979, but thatcher borrowed more money from the usa this has a higher interest rate than from europe world bank.
there are thing than need to be in the state hands like eletric,gas,water and oil, and other things that need to be added to to the list for times like when we at war, trains,at lest i car maker and planes, shipbuilding docks that sort of thing, this is so we get a change over to making arms of all sorts fast and not the slow change over like what happen at the begining of the first and second world wars all so ideas and inventions dont get put back like the jet engine did (this engine could of been ready in 1940). in some cases you got to put other things above money and to do this you need a national industry base.
what a lot of people dont relize is that the news papers well 90% of them where playing the anti-national industrys card reporting on every single strike and making it look worse than it is, while strikes like the 2 i said earlyer where played down more so the sun new paper who had a very big strike on there hands when they moved to wapping from fleet street because of eric hammon union taking the printers union jobs

ex so'ton says...
8:00pm Sun 11 Jan 09

I remember that Rolls Royce was nationalised by Ted Heath not Mrs Thatcher. In the end it did not save the company that fell to the Germans in the end who then kept up the good work. As for the various 'Workers Paradises' scattered round the globe then Cuba must be one of the best, the island has been brought to its knees by a Dr Castro and the late Ernesto Che Guevaro who were muddled middle-class snobs who got it all very badly wrong and then blamed the USA! Well what a cheek, like Ebagum blaming us for all the ills in Zimbabwe, yeh, these crummy dictators are all the same, backward, not progressives as we are and will remain in the west. As for Gadaffi Duck, does it not come down to oil revenue control?

Andy Locks Heath says...
10:37pm Sun 11 Jan 09

Southy your most recent post is a muddle of factually innaccurate and speculative rubbish. The British Economy was on its knees in 1979 - how quickly people forget. And as for the idea that somehow people are incentivised in a nationalised industry - what is the incentive? All that nonsense about the jet enginee you are rewriting history and replacing it with a some made up story of your own - don't reply to this Southy - if you are just going to ignore reality and replace it with what you wish would happen then I'm not viewing this thread again.
By the way Ex Soton - Rolls Royce is two companies. The big one - the important one that makes aero engines is a British PLC and nothing to do with the car maker - which is just a marque owned by a German company.

southy says...
12:40am Mon 12 Jan 09

andy i remember very well that our exports was much greater than our imports but it soon changed, you dont know what churchill done have you never read up on it, i would of though that would of been some thing that would of inerest you, churchill one of the first things he done when he was in office was to cancel the funding to the jet engine in 1940 when they was so close in finishing the last problem
ex so'ton, Abingdon cuba is much better off under castro and if the usa did not band all trading with cuba and ask it to be agreed with in the UN (americans are not allowed to even go there for an holiday let alone trade with them) and a lot of the world still dont trade with them because thats what the americans want, its only been in the last 10 years that people from the uk can go there. cuba is another country that puts its own people first, and again people belive american propaganda because thats all its propaganda by the americans

stuartjebbitt says...
4:08pm Tue 13 Jan 09

So if they don't manage to poison us with fluoride, this is the back up plan is it??
Good Tip - Buy shares in bottled water or open a bottled water business - in a few years time you'll be making a absolute killing -when the local water becomes totally unfit to drink.


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