Fears that QE2 could be cut up for scrap

Daily Echo: QE2 QE2

THE owners of Southampton’s former liner Queen Elizabeth 2 are remaining tight-lipped over fears that the world-famous Cunarder could eventually be cut up for scrap.

The current economic downturn is so serious that it has hit even oil-rich Dubai, where the liner, pictured, is now awaiting conversion into a floating hotel.

QE2's final farewell

Sources close to Dubai-owned Nakheel, which bought QE2 for £50m, have indicated that the current world financial crisis and reduced numbers of visitors may have seriously altered or postponed the plans for the conversion of the former liner.

According to shipping expert Martin Cox, formerly of Chandler’s Ford, who now lives in Los Angeles, Nakheel is considering opening the liner to the public unchanged and just as QE2 looked when she left Southampton for the last time in November 2008.

“Other options would include selling the ship for scrap, although not until public interest in the project has diminished,’’ said Mr Cox.

News of the deepening gloom surrounding the future of QE2, once the most famous liner in the world, was seized on as a possible opportunity by the Southampton consortium which, at one time, wanted to buy the ship so that it could remain in the city.

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A spokesman said that they were keeping a close eye on developments.

Although Nakheel has yet to officially reveal any details of QE2’s transformation, it is known that the ship’s iconic funnel is destined to be removed and replaced by a glass structure containing luxury penthouse suites.

A spokesman for Nakheel was unavailable for comment.

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8:21am Thu 12 Feb 09

Big Adam says...

Dear Daily Echo, I am a world expert in walking around naked. Due to the current economic downturn there will be a dramatic upsurge in world leaders and icons walking around naked.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Barack Obama, Ban Ki-Moon, Nicholas Sarkozy, Dale Winton. All are now far more likely to walk around naked in the near future.
Please publish a pointless story based upon my speculative opinion and desire to see my name in print.
For added gravitas, you should note that I once walked down Portswood High Street and shopped in the old Kwik-Save.
Thanks.
Dear Daily Echo, I am a world expert in walking around naked. Due to the current economic downturn there will be a dramatic upsurge in world leaders and icons walking around naked. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Barack Obama, Ban Ki-Moon, Nicholas Sarkozy, Dale Winton. All are now far more likely to walk around naked in the near future. Please publish a pointless story based upon my speculative opinion and desire to see my name in print. For added gravitas, you should note that I once walked down Portswood High Street and shopped in the old Kwik-Save. Thanks. Big Adam

8:36am Thu 12 Feb 09

Northamboy says...

Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal?

Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal? Northamboy

10:05am Thu 12 Feb 09

Smiley69 says...

Northamboy, Southampton says...
8:36am Thu 12 Feb 09
Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal?
Here, here, - build a bridge and get over it!!
Northamboy, Southampton says... 8:36am Thu 12 Feb 09 Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal? Here, here, - build a bridge and get over it!! Smiley69

10:35am Thu 12 Feb 09

Big Boy says...

Who on earth cares
Who on earth cares Big Boy

12:17pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Finlay says...

So buy it back with your redundancy package then Popeye then you can stroll its decks once more.

The greatest polluting vehicles on the face of the planet and Popeye sheds emotion for the smelly old pig. Cut it up melt it down and make cheap scissors out of it.
So buy it back with your redundancy package then Popeye then you can stroll its decks once more. The greatest polluting vehicles on the face of the planet and Popeye sheds emotion for the smelly old pig. Cut it up melt it down and make cheap scissors out of it. Finlay

1:33pm Thu 12 Feb 09

stay local says...

Why do we asked it back? Of course we would not pay for it and we could use the rusting hulk of the great shed for the ice rink.

Am I missing something? Where is the E petition can we not have one for the boat that was built somewhere else, owned by a foreign country, and spend a little time possible here or are they just for asylum seekers.

Let's put this into perspective, just this week and old French ship has arrived in the UK. It has been looking for several years for a suitable location so it can be dismantled, this is due to the amount of toxic material on board. It is likely that the QE2 will also have a significant amounts of toxic materials, so even if the petition was started and the boat was a free gift to the city. There would still be a significant financial outlay in order to make the ship safe for visitors.

It has gone, it was never ours. Let it go, get over it
Why do we asked it back? Of course we would not pay for it and we could use the rusting hulk of the great shed for the ice rink. Am I missing something? Where is the E petition can we not have one for the boat that was built somewhere else, owned by a foreign country, and spend a little time possible here or are they just for asylum seekers. Let's put this into perspective, just this week and old French ship has arrived in the UK. It has been looking for several years for a suitable location so it can be dismantled, this is due to the amount of toxic material on board. It is likely that the QE2 will also have a significant amounts of toxic materials, so even if the petition was started and the boat was a free gift to the city. There would still be a significant financial outlay in order to make the ship safe for visitors. It has gone, it was never ours. Let it go, get over it stay local

2:25pm Thu 12 Feb 09

mksmith says...

Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton, being the first Cunard ocean liner to bear Southampton on her stern. In addition the enormous revenue generated. Just because something is old does that mean it should be dispose of? If so, why does the government pour tons of taxpayer money into Historic buildings? Are they worth it? QE2 was part of British history and should not be forgotten. The last true BRITISH ocean-liner, built in the UK.

She did show some wear and tear, but blame that on Carnival who invested as little as possible so they could build the over gloried QE2 imitation. No one at Carnival Corporation should forget without QE2 there would be no Cunard for Carnival to buy and build the next generation ocean liner. No amount of fluffy pillows, plush carpet or marble will ever replace the unstated elegance and very loyal following QE2 had.


Fingers crossed Nakheel could scale back the 'slice and dice' they were planning to do and keep her more in line of what they did with QM at Long Beach. If they don’t want her I just hope that she comes home where she belongs and become a strong tourist revenue for Southampton. With the correct investment, dedication and proper management and planning QE2 would succeed in Southampton.
Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton, being the first Cunard ocean liner to bear Southampton on her stern. In addition the enormous revenue generated. Just because something is old does that mean it should be dispose of? If so, why does the government pour tons of taxpayer money into Historic buildings? Are they worth it? QE2 was part of British history and should not be forgotten. The last true BRITISH ocean-liner, built in the UK. She did show some wear and tear, but blame that on Carnival who invested as little as possible so they could build the over gloried QE2 imitation. No one at Carnival Corporation should forget without QE2 there would be no Cunard for Carnival to buy and build the next generation ocean liner. No amount of fluffy pillows, plush carpet or marble will ever replace the unstated elegance and very loyal following QE2 had. Fingers crossed Nakheel could scale back the 'slice and dice' they were planning to do and keep her more in line of what they did with QM at Long Beach. If they don’t want her I just hope that she comes home where she belongs and become a strong tourist revenue for Southampton. With the correct investment, dedication and proper management and planning QE2 would succeed in Southampton. mksmith

2:49pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Miles Sway says...

"Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton"
that's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted her
if Southampton owed her fame to the QE2 you'd have thought there'd be some real will and finance to have saved her from a fate in Dubai - there wasn't. Says it all really.
"Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton" that's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted her if Southampton owed her fame to the QE2 you'd have thought there'd be some real will and finance to have saved her from a fate in Dubai - there wasn't. Says it all really. Miles Sway

2:57pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Bosun says...

Perhaps Keith hamilton can find out how much it would cost to berth the QE2 in Southampton. You certainly would not get a berth free and this cost alone could make any proposal to bring her back uneconomical.
Perhaps Keith hamilton can find out how much it would cost to berth the QE2 in Southampton. You certainly would not get a berth free and this cost alone could make any proposal to bring her back uneconomical. Bosun

3:21pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.
mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her. southy

3:50pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Miles Sway says...

southy wrote:
mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.
Hi Southy
Where's the old QM off to?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy Where's the old QM off to? Miles Sway

3:54pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

well hopefully liverpool or london, but its going to be a year or two before she moves.
well hopefully liverpool or london, but its going to be a year or two before she moves. southy

4:30pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Long in the tooth says...

Well done, Southy! Imagination running riot again. There is NO WAY that the "Queen Mary" will return to the UK. She's too old, too fragile and would break up under tow in the slightest of seas, let alone negotiating Cape Horn in a Force 12. By the way, wrong guess last time - I'm not a yachtie...!
Well done, Southy! Imagination running riot again. There is NO WAY that the "Queen Mary" will return to the UK. She's too old, too fragile and would break up under tow in the slightest of seas, let alone negotiating Cape Horn in a Force 12. By the way, wrong guess last time - I'm not a yachtie...! Long in the tooth

4:35pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Ben Doone says...

Bosun wrote:
Perhaps Keith hamilton can find out how much it would cost to berth the QE2 in Southampton. You certainly would not get a berth free and this cost alone could make any proposal to bring her back uneconomical.
Bosun
I am sure it would be lovely to have the QE2 in Soton but, looking at ABP's customer base in Soton can't see where it could go. ABP,as a commercial enterprise, will concentrate on cargo and active passenger ships which bring in regular revenue
Perhaps QE2 could be accommodated alongside Dibden Bay when that is finally developed (in 10 yrs time?)
However this wouldnt be within the necessary timeframe and assume it would be quite expensive to maintain any non active ship in the UK's damp environment altho HMS Warrior seems to do Ok in P'mouth.
As for the old Q Mary coming to the UK.Forget this.It would cost an absolute fortune to tow the ship round from California as it couldnt move under its own steam. Doubt if any one would insure the risk

[quote][p][bold]Bosun[/bold] wrote: Perhaps Keith hamilton can find out how much it would cost to berth the QE2 in Southampton. You certainly would not get a berth free and this cost alone could make any proposal to bring her back uneconomical. [/p][/quote]Bosun I am sure it would be lovely to have the QE2 in Soton but, looking at ABP's customer base in Soton can't see where it could go. ABP,as a commercial enterprise, will concentrate on cargo and active passenger ships which bring in regular revenue Perhaps QE2 could be accommodated alongside Dibden Bay when that is finally developed (in 10 yrs time?) However this wouldnt be within the necessary timeframe and assume it would be quite expensive to maintain any non active ship in the UK's damp environment altho HMS Warrior seems to do Ok in P'mouth. As for the old Q Mary coming to the UK.Forget this.It would cost an absolute fortune to tow the ship round from California as it couldnt move under its own steam. Doubt if any one would insure the risk Ben Doone

4:48pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

Long in the tooth wrote:
Well done, Southy! Imagination running riot again. There is NO WAY that the "Queen Mary" will return to the UK. She's too old, too fragile and would break up under tow in the slightest of seas, let alone negotiating Cape Horn in a Force 12. By the way, wrong guess last time - I'm not a yachtie...!
well long you would not know whats been going on in the last few years now would you about the QM1, she is old is right, has for fragile her only weakness is the missing bulkheads thats why all the work being done on her now, replacing the bulkheads, her hull and the rest off her is in top condition and only suffers if minor surface rust, has for her course back dont have to be around drakes passage, they will bring her though the canal and when she do move she will be sitting on a floating dry dock.
[quote][p][bold]Long in the tooth[/bold] wrote: Well done, Southy! Imagination running riot again. There is NO WAY that the "Queen Mary" will return to the UK. She's too old, too fragile and would break up under tow in the slightest of seas, let alone negotiating Cape Horn in a Force 12. By the way, wrong guess last time - I'm not a yachtie...! [/p][/quote]well long you would not know whats been going on in the last few years now would you about the QM1, she is old is right, has for fragile her only weakness is the missing bulkheads thats why all the work being done on her now, replacing the bulkheads, her hull and the rest off her is in top condition and only suffers if minor surface rust, has for her course back dont have to be around drakes passage, they will bring her though the canal and when she do move she will be sitting on a floating dry dock. southy

5:19pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Long in the tooth says...

Hi Southy,

....u sure can she get thru' Panama Canal then?
Hi Southy, ....u sure can she get thru' Panama Canal then? Long in the tooth

5:44pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

yes the 1,000 foot floating dry dock that the QM1 will be sitting on has pass though the panama and suez canal number off times before, even if they do have to take her round south america they will not go out into drakes passage,or the roaning forties. but use the straits of magellan (punta arenas channel), there is also a route around the cape off good hope or the suez canal and iff the northwest passage is ice free then theres that course it can take to, final route will not be made till a mth or 2 before hand.
yes the 1,000 foot floating dry dock that the QM1 will be sitting on has pass though the panama and suez canal number off times before, even if they do have to take her round south america they will not go out into drakes passage,or the roaning forties. but use the straits of magellan (punta arenas channel), there is also a route around the cape off good hope or the suez canal and iff the northwest passage is ice free then theres that course it can take to, final route will not be made till a mth or 2 before hand. southy

6:14pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Southy where do you get these ideas from? There was talk in the Echo 3 years ago of bringing her to Southampton but that went nowhere as always, mainly because she's in not fit state to be moved even if ABP offered a permanent berth. Where was this consortium when her lease was up for auction two weeks ago? Money run out during the current restoration (that's why areas were closed while they replaced rotting decking just like they'd improved the food and painted the funnels, not to bring her back to this country) and her new owners went broke like all the rest. She is going nowhere except to a recycling plant one of these days when Long Beach have had enough of her making no money. She moves, she crumbles due to all the decades of neglect, simple as that.
Southy where do you get these ideas from? There was talk in the Echo 3 years ago of bringing her to Southampton but that went nowhere as always, mainly because she's in not fit state to be moved even if ABP offered a permanent berth. Where was this consortium when her lease was up for auction two weeks ago? Money run out during the current restoration (that's why areas were closed while they replaced rotting decking just like they'd improved the food and painted the funnels, not to bring her back to this country) and her new owners went broke like all the rest. She is going nowhere except to a recycling plant one of these days when Long Beach have had enough of her making no money. She moves, she crumbles due to all the decades of neglect, simple as that. Southampton Cruiser

6:24pm Thu 12 Feb 09

tricky19791 says...

Can I ask you a question Northamboy. Have you ever in your life looked at the QE2 and thought, What a wounderful peace of BRITISH ENGINEARING. I believe that she has a heart and a soal. It showed it on its last day in Southampton. The moment she arrived back in her home port for the last time, and not once in her glitterring history did she run aground. On that day the QE2 did so. She simply did not Want to leave Southampton and the country of her birth,in many sence of the word. So that is why when people talk about her and the time they spent on her or near her, people loved the ship an still do. It is called passion and love. Something this world is lacking of. Also, When I and many thousands of other people watch and saw the best of british sail away down the solent to end up in a country who had never even set there eye's on her, then you can then understand hour pain. So If there is a way to bring her back to Southampton then I'm all for it. She does not belong in the middle east. Southampton will benifit from her being back home. In the gloom of the credit crunch, all kinds of jobs are welcome and it will boast the tourist trade within the city. Look at L.A. and the Queen Mary. that ship is still going strong even after some 40 years out of service. So come on and bring her home PLEASE.
Can I ask you a question Northamboy. Have you ever in your life looked at the QE2 and thought, What a wounderful peace of BRITISH ENGINEARING. I believe that she has a heart and a soal. It showed it on its last day in Southampton. The moment she arrived back in her home port for the last time, and not once in her glitterring history did she run aground. On that day the QE2 did so. She simply did not Want to leave Southampton and the country of her birth,in many sence of the word. So that is why when people talk about her and the time they spent on her or near her, people loved the ship an still do. It is called passion and love. Something this world is lacking of. Also, When I and many thousands of other people watch and saw the best of british sail away down the solent to end up in a country who had never even set there eye's on her, then you can then understand hour pain. So If there is a way to bring her back to Southampton then I'm all for it. She does not belong in the middle east. Southampton will benifit from her being back home. In the gloom of the credit crunch, all kinds of jobs are welcome and it will boast the tourist trade within the city. Look at L.A. and the Queen Mary. that ship is still going strong even after some 40 years out of service. So come on and bring her home PLEASE. tricky19791

6:27pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

Southampton Cruiser wrote:
Southy where do you get these ideas from? There was talk in the Echo 3 years ago of bringing her to Southampton but that went nowhere as always, mainly because she's in not fit state to be moved even if ABP offered a permanent berth. Where was this consortium when her lease was up for auction two weeks ago? Money run out during the current restoration (that's why areas were closed while they replaced rotting decking just like they'd improved the food and painted the funnels, not to bring her back to this country) and her new owners went broke like all the rest. She is going nowhere except to a recycling plant one of these days when Long Beach have had enough of her making no money. She moves, she crumbles due to all the decades of neglect, simple as that.
the ship has new owners the lease is for the car park, southampton is not on the list for her to go, there are 16 locations only 2 of the 16 are in the uk, her decks are not rotten, the work being carry out is replacing the missing bulkheads, and if you kept up to date with it, the reason why she came up for sale in the first place.was because there is/was arguement over the ownship of the car park and one of the two companys went bankrupt and has been tied up in usa court for over 2 years,(the people that owned the ship owed the people who own the car park and lagoon money)
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Cruiser[/bold] wrote: Southy where do you get these ideas from? There was talk in the Echo 3 years ago of bringing her to Southampton but that went nowhere as always, mainly because she's in not fit state to be moved even if ABP offered a permanent berth. Where was this consortium when her lease was up for auction two weeks ago? Money run out during the current restoration (that's why areas were closed while they replaced rotting decking just like they'd improved the food and painted the funnels, not to bring her back to this country) and her new owners went broke like all the rest. She is going nowhere except to a recycling plant one of these days when Long Beach have had enough of her making no money. She moves, she crumbles due to all the decades of neglect, simple as that.[/p][/quote]the ship has new owners the lease is for the car park, southampton is not on the list for her to go, there are 16 locations only 2 of the 16 are in the uk, her decks are not rotten, the work being carry out is replacing the missing bulkheads, and if you kept up to date with it, the reason why she came up for sale in the first place.was because there is/was arguement over the ownship of the car park and one of the two companys went bankrupt and has been tied up in usa court for over 2 years,(the people that owned the ship owed the people who own the car park and lagoon money) southy

6:43pm Thu 12 Feb 09

losangelesshipstalker says...

Queen Mary in Long Beach is not for sale nor has she every been. She is owned by the City of Long Beach and what gets sold is the lease to run the ship not the ship itself. I've been to see the queen in the last few weeks and know people personally who work aboard her and she's having some teak decking repaired as well as being repainted. They are doing absolutely no structural work. If you knew anything about her you'd know she is too long to go through the current Panama canal, and if someone is planning to put her on a floating dry dock it would be news to all of us in southern california. Please stop commenting if you don't know what you're talking about.
Queen Mary in Long Beach is not for sale nor has she every been. She is owned by the City of Long Beach and what gets sold is the lease to run the ship not the ship itself. I've been to see the queen in the last few weeks and know people personally who work aboard her and she's having some teak decking repaired as well as being repainted. They are doing absolutely no structural work. If you knew anything about her you'd know she is too long to go through the current Panama canal, and if someone is planning to put her on a floating dry dock it would be news to all of us in southern california. Please stop commenting if you don't know what you're talking about. losangelesshipstalker

6:46pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Ben Doone says...

mksmith wrote:
Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton, being the first Cunard ocean liner to bear Southampton on her stern. In addition the enormous revenue generated. Just because something is old does that mean it should be dispose of? If so, why does the government pour tons of taxpayer money into Historic buildings? Are they worth it? QE2 was part of British history and should not be forgotten. The last true BRITISH ocean-liner, built in the UK. She did show some wear and tear, but blame that on Carnival who invested as little as possible so they could build the over gloried QE2 imitation. No one at Carnival Corporation should forget without QE2 there would be no Cunard for Carnival to buy and build the next generation ocean liner. No amount of fluffy pillows, plush carpet or marble will ever replace the unstated elegance and very loyal following QE2 had. Fingers crossed Nakheel could scale back the 'slice and dice' they were planning to do and keep her more in line of what they did with QM at Long Beach. If they don’t want her I just hope that she comes home where she belongs and become a strong tourist revenue for Southampton. With the correct investment, dedication and proper management and planning QE2 would succeed in Southampton.
Mr Smith I have to take issue with you on Para 2.
Cunard had been in a real mess under several owners, Trafalgar House/Kavaerner amongst others, who had to sell off all the 'family silver' to counteract the effect jet travel and containerisation had on the Cunard Liners and General Cargo ships in the 1960's and beyond.
Believe me if Carnival hadn't come along when they did and rescued Cunard, the famous old name would have disappeared many years ago.
As for the QM2 , whether you like the ship or not, it was a massive leap of faith by Mickey Arison (Carnivals owner)to invest $750m on a replacement ocean liner.
The 'QE2'/'Canberra' etc were ships of a different era as were the 'Mauretania'/'Bereng
eria' etc etc before them.
One of these days posters will be on here lamenting the sale/scrapping of 'QM2'/'QueenVictoria
'/'Aurora' etc.
Thats the way it is with ships. Very emotive subject, ships,and long may it stay that way.
Sad to say that QE2 would never pay its way as attraction in Soton.
I understand that 'Brittania' is struggling to make ends meet up in Leith
[quote][p][bold]mksmith[/bold] wrote: Let’s not forget the fame that QE2 brought to Southampton, being the first Cunard ocean liner to bear Southampton on her stern. In addition the enormous revenue generated. Just because something is old does that mean it should be dispose of? If so, why does the government pour tons of taxpayer money into Historic buildings? Are they worth it? QE2 was part of British history and should not be forgotten. The last true BRITISH ocean-liner, built in the UK. She did show some wear and tear, but blame that on Carnival who invested as little as possible so they could build the over gloried QE2 imitation. No one at Carnival Corporation should forget without QE2 there would be no Cunard for Carnival to buy and build the next generation ocean liner. No amount of fluffy pillows, plush carpet or marble will ever replace the unstated elegance and very loyal following QE2 had. Fingers crossed Nakheel could scale back the 'slice and dice' they were planning to do and keep her more in line of what they did with QM at Long Beach. If they don’t want her I just hope that she comes home where she belongs and become a strong tourist revenue for Southampton. With the correct investment, dedication and proper management and planning QE2 would succeed in Southampton. [/p][/quote]Mr Smith I have to take issue with you on Para 2. Cunard had been in a real mess under several owners, Trafalgar House/Kavaerner amongst others, who had to sell off all the 'family silver' to counteract the effect jet travel and containerisation had on the Cunard Liners and General Cargo ships in the 1960's and beyond. Believe me if Carnival hadn't come along when they did and rescued Cunard, the famous old name would have disappeared many years ago. As for the QM2 , whether you like the ship or not, it was a massive leap of faith by Mickey Arison (Carnivals owner)to invest $750m on a replacement ocean liner. The 'QE2'/'Canberra' etc were ships of a different era as were the 'Mauretania'/'Bereng eria' etc etc before them. One of these days posters will be on here lamenting the sale/scrapping of 'QM2'/'QueenVictoria '/'Aurora' etc. Thats the way it is with ships. Very emotive subject, ships,and long may it stay that way. Sad to say that QE2 would never pay its way as attraction in Soton. I understand that 'Brittania' is struggling to make ends meet up in Leith Ben Doone

6:51pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

You didn't answer my question about the consortium but then I think we know. There isn't one. The Daily Post in Liverpool would be claiming it was a done deal if that was ever an option. Do you not remember the Echo reports in January 2006 about bringing her here then? If I didn't keep up to date I wouldn't know about what IS going on with her and the restoration, or that the lease was up for auction which you failed to mention. Save The Queen LLC had excellent intentions, more than the rest before them and put the work in. Shame they never had the chance to finish the restoration. All info about the work and a video can be found here http://www.queenmary
.com/index.php?page=
restorationhighlight
s
You didn't answer my question about the consortium but then I think we know. There isn't one. The Daily Post in Liverpool would be claiming it was a done deal if that was ever an option. Do you not remember the Echo reports in January 2006 about bringing her here then? If I didn't keep up to date I wouldn't know about what IS going on with her and the restoration, or that the lease was up for auction which you failed to mention. Save The Queen LLC had excellent intentions, more than the rest before them and put the work in. Shame they never had the chance to finish the restoration. All info about the work and a video can be found here http://www.queenmary .com/index.php?page= restorationhighlight s Southampton Cruiser

6:54pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Ben Doone says...

losangelesshipstalke
r
wrote:
Queen Mary in Long Beach is not for sale nor has she every been. She is owned by the City of Long Beach and what gets sold is the lease to run the ship not the ship itself. I've been to see the queen in the last few weeks and know people personally who work aboard her and she's having some teak decking repaired as well as being repainted. They are doing absolutely no structural work. If you knew anything about her you'd know she is too long to go through the current Panama canal, and if someone is planning to put her on a floating dry dock it would be news to all of us in southern california. Please stop commenting if you don't know what you're talking about.
Interesting comment and much more believable than some of the stuff put forward on here from those thousands of miles away

Actually there is another well known Southampton icon looking for a good home.

A bit eccentric but cheap to keep and has a great line in tall stories.

Step forward.............
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........'Southey'

Will miss him though!!
[quote][p][bold]losangelesshipstalke r[/bold] wrote: Queen Mary in Long Beach is not for sale nor has she every been. She is owned by the City of Long Beach and what gets sold is the lease to run the ship not the ship itself. I've been to see the queen in the last few weeks and know people personally who work aboard her and she's having some teak decking repaired as well as being repainted. They are doing absolutely no structural work. If you knew anything about her you'd know she is too long to go through the current Panama canal, and if someone is planning to put her on a floating dry dock it would be news to all of us in southern california. Please stop commenting if you don't know what you're talking about. [/p][/quote]Interesting comment and much more believable than some of the stuff put forward on here from those thousands of miles away Actually there is another well known Southampton icon looking for a good home. A bit eccentric but cheap to keep and has a great line in tall stories. Step forward............. .................... .................... .................... .................... ........'Southey' Will miss him though!! Ben Doone

7:50pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

ben you should know better than to belive losangelesshipstalke
,(looks like a multi name) QM1 was never ever owned by any city or town (but did hold the lease for a short while), but private companys base in the long beach area. but he is right about bits of the wooden deck being replace, but the steel deck under the wooden show deck is solid. any one must know where i disapear to over xmas for a few days was because i was on board the QM1. and Southampton Cruiser, if you read the shipping news mag there was an item in there early last year and you would off seen my name got a mention.
ben you should know better than to belive losangelesshipstalke ,(looks like a multi name) QM1 was never ever owned by any city or town (but did hold the lease for a short while), but private companys base in the long beach area. but he is right about bits of the wooden deck being replace, but the steel deck under the wooden show deck is solid. any one must know where i disapear to over xmas for a few days was because i was on board the QM1. and Southampton Cruiser, if you read the shipping news mag there was an item in there early last year and you would off seen my name got a mention. southy

8:07pm Thu 12 Feb 09

losangelesshipstalker says...

Please Southy, Tell me what a multi-name is? I used a handle to register under because I'm not in the habit of putting my full name down on these sort of things and neither are you, apparently. If you'd actually read anything about the ship you would know she was always owned by the city of Long Beach and never by a private entity. Do you know the name of the group running the ship now? Its called Save The Queen LLC. The only thing that happened recently is that some shares changed hands due to this economic upheaval we're having. Actually I'm really pleased at the moment that the Historical Steamship Society is working on School Programs aboard the ship as well as improvements to her physical appearance. No one but you questioned the sturdiness of Queen Mary's structure except when we spoke of the idea of moving her. Indeed, she would need a floating dry dock to be taken anywhere outside the breakwater of Long Beach because she's had her boiler room gutted and is not sound enough to take the pounding of real waves and real weather that she's protected from where she is. They never even closed off the decks as you claim while they were making repairs to the teak. You could walk up and watch them working on it. I did, did you?
Please Southy, Tell me what a multi-name is? I used a handle to register under because I'm not in the habit of putting my full name down on these sort of things and neither are you, apparently. If you'd actually read anything about the ship you would know she was always owned by the city of Long Beach and never by a private entity. Do you know the name of the group running the ship now? Its called Save The Queen LLC. The only thing that happened recently is that some shares changed hands due to this economic upheaval we're having. Actually I'm really pleased at the moment that the Historical Steamship Society is working on School Programs aboard the ship as well as improvements to her physical appearance. No one but you questioned the sturdiness of Queen Mary's structure except when we spoke of the idea of moving her. Indeed, she would need a floating dry dock to be taken anywhere outside the breakwater of Long Beach because she's had her boiler room gutted and is not sound enough to take the pounding of real waves and real weather that she's protected from where she is. They never even closed off the decks as you claim while they were making repairs to the teak. You could walk up and watch them working on it. I did, did you? losangelesshipstalker

8:31pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

may i make a point to the max size ship that can pass though the panama canal the largest vessels that can pass though the panama canal can have a lengh off 1,050 feet x 110 feet wide x 41.2 feet draft, at the water line and will be subject to canal control from start to finish though the locks,panamax ships are a little bit smaller than this, the QM1 has a water line measurements off 980 feet long the longest part above water line is 1,019.4 feet x 100.2 feet wide above water mark line 118.5 feet at the widest point x 39 foot draft in tropical fresh water and this can be reduce by emptying the ballast tanks.
may i make a point to the max size ship that can pass though the panama canal the largest vessels that can pass though the panama canal can have a lengh off 1,050 feet x 110 feet wide x 41.2 feet draft, at the water line and will be subject to canal control from start to finish though the locks,panamax ships are a little bit smaller than this, the QM1 has a water line measurements off 980 feet long the longest part above water line is 1,019.4 feet x 100.2 feet wide above water mark line 118.5 feet at the widest point x 39 foot draft in tropical fresh water and this can be reduce by emptying the ballast tanks. southy

8:45pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

never owned by the local government only lease to them,they had not started replacing bits off decks while i was there, that stared after, i was down below with the dutch company thats doing the work below decks being shown around, then in talks with them on how many riggers that will be needed, they wanted 4 i said 8 to be on the safe side we ended up 6 riggers there now plus another 6 to join them when she ready to move in a few years time, all the above decks are still open to the public, and will remain open to the public till the last moment.
never owned by the local government only lease to them,they had not started replacing bits off decks while i was there, that stared after, i was down below with the dutch company thats doing the work below decks being shown around, then in talks with them on how many riggers that will be needed, they wanted 4 i said 8 to be on the safe side we ended up 6 riggers there now plus another 6 to join them when she ready to move in a few years time, all the above decks are still open to the public, and will remain open to the public till the last moment. southy

9:03pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Well said, Ben Doone. Frankly I too would rather believe an LA resident than someone here writing pie in the sky and evading issues.

Oh dear Southy. Do you know how desperate you're sounding? Yet again ignoring about the consortium buying her or the Echo article 3 years ago so you clearly know nothing. Instead you mention a magazine without naming it and expect people to see your name which would be your real name and not "Southy". Also rather convenient it was a year ago rather than recently so no way of checking. The Echo published my letter back in 2006 and umpteen others about the plans to bring her to Southampton and you can ask the Echo about that. The man behind it is called Roger Hardingham and BBC South also covered this. As for the Panama Canal, while looking that up you fail to take into consideration that if she was in a good enough condition to be moved even a mm without it it being a risk, the floating dock or whatever was used (as also mentioned in the 2006 Southampton plans) needed to bring her across from Long Beach means she would not fit and would need to be towed around the Cape. The QE2 just fitted and she's shorter.
Well said, Ben Doone. Frankly I too would rather believe an LA resident than someone here writing pie in the sky and evading issues. Oh dear Southy. Do you know how desperate you're sounding? Yet again ignoring about the consortium buying her or the Echo article 3 years ago so you clearly know nothing. Instead you mention a magazine without naming it and expect people to see your name which would be your real name and not "Southy". Also rather convenient it was a year ago rather than recently so no way of checking. The Echo published my letter back in 2006 and umpteen others about the plans to bring her to Southampton and you can ask the Echo about that. The man behind it is called Roger Hardingham and BBC South also covered this. As for the Panama Canal, while looking that up you fail to take into consideration that if she was in a good enough condition to be moved even a mm without it it being a risk, the floating dock or whatever was used (as also mentioned in the 2006 Southampton plans) needed to bring her across from Long Beach means she would not fit and would need to be towed around the Cape. The QE2 just fitted and she's shorter. Southampton Cruiser

9:42pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Bosun says...

Miles Sway wrote:
southy wrote: mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.
Hi Southy Where's the old QM off to?
Any jobs going?
[quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy Where's the old QM off to?[/p][/quote]Any jobs going? Bosun

10:02pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Miles Sway says...

Bosun wrote:
Miles Sway wrote:
southy wrote: mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.
Hi Southy Where's the old QM off to?
Any jobs going?
By the reaction to Southy's about moving the QM I wouldn't send in that CV yet bosun.
400 new jobs with HCC apparently, if you've got a cat o nine tails you could put it to good use on the slackers there.
[quote][p][bold]Bosun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: mksmith you talk about the old queen mary at long beach, i give you an up date on here, most of the decks are now closed to the public, work is being carried out to strengthen the bulkheads ( there was a load removed ) this is in all in aid off her sea trip that lays ahead off her.[/p][/quote]Hi Southy Where's the old QM off to?[/p][/quote]Any jobs going?[/p][/quote]By the reaction to Southy's about moving the QM I wouldn't send in that CV yet bosun. 400 new jobs with HCC apparently, if you've got a cat o nine tails you could put it to good use on the slackers there. Miles Sway

10:24pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

bosun there could be. what tickets you got.
Southampton Cruiser if thats the case tell me how did the QM1 fit into number 7 dry dock or the floating dry dock that use to be in southampton, when you know the number 7 dry dock longest inside part is at the top and is only 1,000 feet, its less than that at the bottom, the shortest part off the panama canal is longer and wider and deeper than number7 dry dock. and Southampton Cruiser if you belive he or she from LA. thats up to you, i dont they failed not saying any thing about the building on the reclaim land next to the QM1
bosun there could be. what tickets you got. Southampton Cruiser if thats the case tell me how did the QM1 fit into number 7 dry dock or the floating dry dock that use to be in southampton, when you know the number 7 dry dock longest inside part is at the top and is only 1,000 feet, its less than that at the bottom, the shortest part off the panama canal is longer and wider and deeper than number7 dry dock. and Southampton Cruiser if you belive he or she from LA. thats up to you, i dont they failed not saying any thing about the building on the reclaim land next to the QM1 southy

10:45pm Thu 12 Feb 09

southy says...

some thing else for you to think about Southampton Cruiser, whitch one off the many floating dry docks will they use,they also could be using more than one floating dry dock and towing her though the canal but thats down to the towing company and there insurance to decided, oh by the way Roger Hardingham was only one group that is or was after the QM1 there was others,
some thing else for you to think about Southampton Cruiser, whitch one off the many floating dry docks will they use,they also could be using more than one floating dry dock and towing her though the canal but thats down to the towing company and there insurance to decided, oh by the way Roger Hardingham was only one group that is or was after the QM1 there was others, southy

8:14am Fri 13 Feb 09

xfawley says...

It would have made a fantastic waterside museum which would have been a big tourist attraction and five star hotel because Southampton does nt have a five star hotel anymore.
It would have made a fantastic waterside museum which would have been a big tourist attraction and five star hotel because Southampton does nt have a five star hotel anymore. xfawley

9:27am Fri 13 Feb 09

allotment-grower says...

the point is ita a part of our history
the point is ita a part of our history allotment-grower

12:29pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans.
Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans. Southampton Cruiser

12:48pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

Southampton Cruiser wrote:
Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans.
stop trying to cop out, but you could start by buying the shipping news mag that comes out once a mth. the same thing was said about the s.s. great britian, look what happen there, oh she endded up in bristol. the same things was said then, the owners will not sale, it cost to much, its totaly rotten, a lot more go's on behide the scene's and some off it dont get published. but if you want proof then the best proof is for you to wait a few years and see what happens.
i remind ben doone off £25 to charity last time he question me and another person.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Cruiser[/bold] wrote: Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans. [/p][/quote]stop trying to cop out, but you could start by buying the shipping news mag that comes out once a mth. the same thing was said about the s.s. great britian, look what happen there, oh she endded up in bristol. the same things was said then, the owners will not sale, it cost to much, its totaly rotten, a lot more go's on behide the scene's and some off it dont get published. but if you want proof then the best proof is for you to wait a few years and see what happens. i remind ben doone off £25 to charity last time he question me and another person. southy

2:08pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Ben Doone says...

Southampton Cruiser wrote:
Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans.
Southampton Cruiser
By his own admission Southey relies on info from a mate in Totton so might be difficult.

Southey I presume the publication you refer to is 'Ships Monthly'
A good read. However you once said, in a response to poster some time ago ...'never believe what you read in books...!!!
Meanwhile can confirm I have sent a donation of £25 to the RNLI via their Internet site. I have a good friend who works for the RNLI so happy with your choice of charity.
Mind you it took you some time to find out the information which was subject to the wager. Presume you used ABP's website
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Cruiser[/bold] wrote: Okay Southy, prove it. Give us a link so we can all read about these plans. [/p][/quote]Southampton Cruiser By his own admission Southey relies on info from a mate in Totton so might be difficult. Southey I presume the publication you refer to is 'Ships Monthly' A good read. However you once said, in a response to poster some time ago ...'never believe what you read in books...!!! Meanwhile can confirm I have sent a donation of £25 to the RNLI via their Internet site. I have a good friend who works for the RNLI so happy with your choice of charity. Mind you it took you some time to find out the information which was subject to the wager. Presume you used ABP's website Ben Doone

2:24pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

all ready knew the info ben, just being lazy,did i not say dont all ways belive what you read in books errors are made even a lot more on the internet, but to cross ref with any many source's has you can even with people that can remember or live though it. the rnli is well back from my family, we are all ways giving them money and our support.ben have you got any copys of the shipping news or mth back dating in the year 1968 to 1972
all ready knew the info ben, just being lazy,did i not say dont all ways belive what you read in books errors are made even a lot more on the internet, but to cross ref with any many source's has you can even with people that can remember or live though it. the rnli is well back from my family, we are all ways giving them money and our support.ben have you got any copys of the shipping news or mth back dating in the year 1968 to 1972 southy

3:26pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Who's copping out, Southy? I asked you to provide a link and you've evaded it just like everything else. If you cannot provide proof of these plans to bring QM back to the UK then why should we believe a word you say?
Who's copping out, Southy? I asked you to provide a link and you've evaded it just like everything else. If you cannot provide proof of these plans to bring QM back to the UK then why should we believe a word you say? Southampton Cruiser

3:35pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

well cruiser i not going to do your work for you, so you just aft to wait a few years and see for your self, but you could try looking for marine sites that are hidden ( hint try changing how the link ends like it ends in com change it to net,tv ect ect ect ect)
well cruiser i not going to do your work for you, so you just aft to wait a few years and see for your self, but you could try looking for marine sites that are hidden ( hint try changing how the link ends like it ends in com change it to net,tv ect ect ect ect) southy

3:42pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Ben Doone, probably several rumour-rife forums as well. His reasons for dismissing an LA resident are laughable. How does he know that wasn't Martin Cox or fellow Martime Matters contributer Peter Knego? Ships Monthly is an inaccurate publication at the best of times. In an article on the QE2, they listed Canberra's return date from the Falklands. I stick with Sea Lines for good articles.
Ben Doone, probably several rumour-rife forums as well. His reasons for dismissing an LA resident are laughable. How does he know that wasn't Martin Cox or fellow Martime Matters contributer Peter Knego? Ships Monthly is an inaccurate publication at the best of times. In an article on the QE2, they listed Canberra's return date from the Falklands. I stick with Sea Lines for good articles. Southampton Cruiser

3:47pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Thank you, Southy, for finally proving you're talking rubbish. If you weren't you'd provide proof instead of making excuses not to. That also means in future when you post we can't believe a word you say. Long Live the Queen Mary at Long Beach!
Thank you, Southy, for finally proving you're talking rubbish. If you weren't you'd provide proof instead of making excuses not to. That also means in future when you post we can't believe a word you say. Long Live the Queen Mary at Long Beach! Southampton Cruiser

4:00pm Fri 13 Feb 09

kaponig says...

This beautiful ship cannot and must not be allowed to go for scrap. If our governement have spent all our money on saving pathetically inadequate bankers we should have a public appeal to save our ship She could then be bought back to Southampton where she belongs and put to good use, perhaps as a conference centre, tourist attraction etc.
This beautiful ship cannot and must not be allowed to go for scrap. If our governement have spent all our money on saving pathetically inadequate bankers we should have a public appeal to save our ship She could then be bought back to Southampton where she belongs and put to good use, perhaps as a conference centre, tourist attraction etc. kaponig

4:06pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

Southampton Cruiser go and do your own research, i giving you hints how to go about it.
Southampton Cruiser go and do your own research, i giving you hints how to go about it. southy

4:09pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

kaponig wrote:
This beautiful ship cannot and must not be allowed to go for scrap. If our governement have spent all our money on saving pathetically inadequate bankers we should have a public appeal to save our ship She could then be bought back to Southampton where she belongs and put to good use, perhaps as a conference centre, tourist attraction etc.
she not going to be scrap, how much did they pay for it, and how much would they get for scrap, they would lose to many millions pounds if scrap.
[quote][p][bold]kaponig[/bold] wrote: This beautiful ship cannot and must not be allowed to go for scrap. If our governement have spent all our money on saving pathetically inadequate bankers we should have a public appeal to save our ship She could then be bought back to Southampton where she belongs and put to good use, perhaps as a conference centre, tourist attraction etc.[/p][/quote]she not going to be scrap, how much did they pay for it, and how much would they get for scrap, they would lose to many millions pounds if scrap. southy

4:11pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

But Southy, since you're claiming to be such an expert and you know where the site is with all the info, post the link here so we can all read it. That way you can prove this is true. Otherwise we can only assume you're making things up.
But Southy, since you're claiming to be such an expert and you know where the site is with all the info, post the link here so we can all read it. That way you can prove this is true. Otherwise we can only assume you're making things up. Southampton Cruiser

4:22pm Fri 13 Feb 09

southy says...

Southampton Cruiser and how many times have people said that but most do come to pass, wait and see its only a few years to wait.
Southampton Cruiser and how many times have people said that but most do come to pass, wait and see its only a few years to wait. southy

4:32pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Ben Doone says...

Southampton Cruiser wrote:
But Southy, since you're claiming to be such an expert and you know where the site is with all the info, post the link here so we can all read it. That way you can prove this is true. Otherwise we can only assume you're making things up.
Many of us have got to know Southey quite well. He has a lot of good info but most of it is jumbled with info from his mate in the Totton pub and then becomes irrefutable fact.
One interesting point raised though.
Seem to recollect that QE2 was valued at around $50m as scrap when scrap prices were strong. Understand the scrap rate for the ship is now around $20/$25m. The people over here reportedly paid between $80/$100m for the ship BUT this included quite an extensive inventory of paintings/models and other saleabl artifacts.
Whatever the value of the fitures & fittings, the new owners are facing a sizeable loss if QE2 gets sold for scrap.
One thing that is very unlikely to happen is a return of QE2 to Southampton. However there is more chance of this than moving Q Mary as Southey suggests.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Cruiser[/bold] wrote: But Southy, since you're claiming to be such an expert and you know where the site is with all the info, post the link here so we can all read it. That way you can prove this is true. Otherwise we can only assume you're making things up.[/p][/quote]Many of us have got to know Southey quite well. He has a lot of good info but most of it is jumbled with info from his mate in the Totton pub and then becomes irrefutable fact. One interesting point raised though. Seem to recollect that QE2 was valued at around $50m as scrap when scrap prices were strong. Understand the scrap rate for the ship is now around $20/$25m. The people over here reportedly paid between $80/$100m for the ship BUT this included quite an extensive inventory of paintings/models and other saleabl artifacts. Whatever the value of the fitures & fittings, the new owners are facing a sizeable loss if QE2 gets sold for scrap. One thing that is very unlikely to happen is a return of QE2 to Southampton. However there is more chance of this than moving Q Mary as Southey suggests. Ben Doone

4:47pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Evasive and vague again which means it's not true. How many years? Give us a timescale. Name the company doing the bulkheads. Name the interested party. If you had proof you would be only too willing to post it to show you're right and I and others are wrong. I'm sure the people running QM right now would be interested in all this too since they have the lease. Wonder if anyone told the City of Long Beach they'll be selling the ship? It isn't going to happen. Pipe dream like Roger Hardinham's plans. Two, five or even twenty years time if she's still in one piece there'll still be stupid plans to bring her home.
Evasive and vague again which means it's not true. How many years? Give us a timescale. Name the company doing the bulkheads. Name the interested party. If you had proof you would be only too willing to post it to show you're right and I and others are wrong. I'm sure the people running QM right now would be interested in all this too since they have the lease. Wonder if anyone told the City of Long Beach they'll be selling the ship? It isn't going to happen. Pipe dream like Roger Hardinham's plans. Two, five or even twenty years time if she's still in one piece there'll still be stupid plans to bring her home. Southampton Cruiser

5:06pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

Ben, if she failed in Dubai she'll be sold for scrap regardless. The Arabs don't mess around and $100 million is loose change. Nakheel overpaid for the QE2. Not everything was part of the deal, and I don't just mean what belonged to the Queen. Captain McNaught handed over the beautiful Maurentania painting while they were in Newcastle which was replaced until she left here with the Southampton farewell one. They were reportedly going to spend $400 million rebuilding her when they could have spent that on building a new ship in the shape of a ship and just as glitzy as their hotels. So selling her for scrap and losing money is nothing. As it is, all videos they put out saying what they'll keep etc is actually about QM2 (keeping the Planetarium is the big giveaway). Even just before the arrival in Dubai they have one showing footage of QM2 with one bow shot of QE2 from the observation deck at the end. The ship has been emptied and a company from Bristol was contracted for two weeks to remove the engines after Christmas only that's not happening for the forseeable future. Even leaving the credit crunch out of it, the dry dock is full so she wasn't able to be moved on the 15th January.

As for info, there are countless fora around the internet plus news sites anyone can get it from. People can know crew members personally or talk to them during cruises and get it from them. Therefore many are just as 'expert' as Southy.
Ben, if she failed in Dubai she'll be sold for scrap regardless. The Arabs don't mess around and $100 million is loose change. Nakheel overpaid for the QE2. Not everything was part of the deal, and I don't just mean what belonged to the Queen. Captain McNaught handed over the beautiful Maurentania painting while they were in Newcastle which was replaced until she left here with the Southampton farewell one. They were reportedly going to spend $400 million rebuilding her when they could have spent that on building a new ship in the shape of a ship and just as glitzy as their hotels. So selling her for scrap and losing money is nothing. As it is, all videos they put out saying what they'll keep etc is actually about QM2 (keeping the Planetarium is the big giveaway). Even just before the arrival in Dubai they have one showing footage of QM2 with one bow shot of QE2 from the observation deck at the end. The ship has been emptied and a company from Bristol was contracted for two weeks to remove the engines after Christmas only that's not happening for the forseeable future. Even leaving the credit crunch out of it, the dry dock is full so she wasn't able to be moved on the 15th January. As for info, there are countless fora around the internet plus news sites anyone can get it from. People can know crew members personally or talk to them during cruises and get it from them. Therefore many are just as 'expert' as Southy. Southampton Cruiser

5:17pm Fri 13 Feb 09

B. L. says...

Northamboy wrote:
Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal?

OMG! Southy, he called it a BOAT and you haven't responded. What is the world coming to. :)
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal? [/p][/quote]OMG! Southy, he called it a BOAT and you haven't responded. What is the world coming to. :) B. L.

2:56pm Sat 14 Feb 09

southy says...

B. L. wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal?

OMG! Southy, he called it a BOAT and you haven't responded. What is the world coming to. :)
yes i did see it but i was in a rush last night got called out,
Southampton Cruiser think about it like this, its a jig-saw puzzle with each bit a person who knows a little bit off info like your self, pretty well useless on the own, and very narrow sighted but once you start connecting up with right people and seeing how the bits of info fit together then you start to see a wider picture, try joining one of the many hiden marine web forums.
[quote][p][bold]B. L.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Its just a boat, its done its job and it now belongs to someone else so whats the big deal? [/p][/quote]OMG! Southy, he called it a BOAT and you haven't responded. What is the world coming to. :)[/p][/quote]yes i did see it but i was in a rush last night got called out, Southampton Cruiser think about it like this, its a jig-saw puzzle with each bit a person who knows a little bit off info like your self, pretty well useless on the own, and very narrow sighted but once you start connecting up with right people and seeing how the bits of info fit together then you start to see a wider picture, try joining one of the many hiden marine web forums. southy

9:02am Sun 15 Feb 09

rh says...

why not just scrap Qe2 and recycle it into IKEA furniture?
why not just scrap Qe2 and recycle it into IKEA furniture? rh
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