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11:50am Thursday 2nd April 2009 in
THE ROW over whether Saints should be docked points has provoked an angry backlash from their relegation rivals.
The club looks to have sensationally avoided the normal ten-point deduction faced by teams going into administration.
Although Saints’ parent PLC company has today called in the administrators, the team’s league position looks unlikely to be affected.
“The league rules are very specific, it has to be the club which goes into administration for points to be deducted,” said a Football League spokesman.
However, while the news is a major boost for Southampton their main relegation rival has hit out at the loophole allowing the club to escape the usual penalty for “bad management”.
The club is currently sitting second-bottom in The Championship, two points below 17thplaced Plymouth Argyle.
Saints would leapfrog the Devon club if it wins its game in hand.
But if Southampton was penalised ten points, it would instantly slip to just two points ahead of bottom club Charlton Athletic, which already looks consigned to League One next season.
Such is the controversy surrounding the situation, it is understood it will be discussed at the next meeting of Football League board.
Last night, Barnsley FC’s general manager Don Rowling said he believes it is wrong that clubs can use a parent company to escape penalties when things go wrong.
“I think it would be wrong for any football club in the lower reaches of the division to look to survive through another club’s demise from off the pitch activities,” he told the Daily Echo.
“Obviously, if Southampton did go into administration and was docked points we would probably breathe a little easier, but I think it would be morally wrong for clubs to look to benefit from that.
“But I do also think it’s wrong that a parent company can be set up to run a football club and do what they want to do, and push into administration as it suits them, through bad management.
“And we are talking about bad management. A lot of clubs have suffered from that because in football we often don’t live in the real world.
“But they do have a responsibility to shareholders and the company, to the Football League and to other clubs to run it in a proper manner.”
That view was shared by the many supporters of the clubs currently in a dogfight at the foot of the Championship.
Steve Bailey, secretary of Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Club, said: “We do not like to point fingers at other clubs in these situations, which are a sad indictment of these times.
“As far as the relegation fight is concerned we could do with Southampton being docked ten points but to be honest it doesn’t really affect us because we’d still have too much to do, even if we beat Southampton on Saturday.
“That’s a far bigger game for us than it is for Southampton.”
Paul Ellis, chairman of Nottingham Forest Supporters Club, said: “I suppose, from a selfish point of view, I would say that seems a bit sneaky – that’s probably how most Forest fans would think.
“But if that’s the way round it then that’s the way round it.
“But it does seem to go against the spirit of what the rules were put in place for.
“I think if we weren’t in the position we are, I would say ‘Well done and I hope they can sort themselves out.
“At the moment we are all battling at the bottom of the Championship for our lives and anything that helps us to stay up is welcome.
“But I’m hoping we can do it without relying on a points deduction.
“I hate all these things going to court, like the Sheffield United and West Ham thing.
“Football’s gone more in the direction of big business, law cases and courts, as opposed to just playing the sport.”
Kathy Blake, secretary of the Norwich City Independent Supporters’ Association, said: “To be honest, I don’t like to see this sort of thing happen to any club.
“I think there have been some outrageous decisions in the past, particularly if you look at clubs like Luton.
“It really does make you wonder as well when you look at the debts the top four clubs in the Premier League are carrying.
“As far as a deduction for Southampton goes I can see it running and running, because it doesn’t appear to be something that is straightforward.
“I can see lawsuits and almost another Carlos Tevez situation arising.
“But if you’re asking me if I’m pleased about it, then no, I am not.
“I would much rather see it all decided by what happens on the pitch.”
David Marshall, chairman of the Plymouth Argyle Supporters’ Club, said: “Personally, I would like to see Southampton stay up, because it’s a local derby virtually for us, so I hope both of us can survive.
“The trouble is that all the financial people know how to bend the rules to suit themselves.
“Us mere mortals, the supporters, just see what’s on the pitch.
“You hear what’s going on financially, but you can’t have a bearing on it.
“I would like to see Southampton stay in the Championship as much as us.
“It’s much nicer to see things decided on the pitch.”
Frances Lynn, board member of the Watford Supporters’ Trust, said: “Watford are in a similar situation in being run by a holding company.
“In looking at our situation, I would have thought that if Watford Leisure went into administration this would be the same as the football club going into administration in all but name.
“Southampton Leisure Holdings is a similar organisation so I am at a loss to see how if this company goes into administration the football club can escape sanctions.
“It seems to me that, yet again, a loophole is being exploited by a ‘bigger’ club in a way that would not be allowed for a club further down the league.
Although, saying that, I find the increasing trend for league places to be decided on these grounds disturbing.
“To my mind, the benefits to Southampton of going into administration would accrue next season, so I believe that the points deduction should be applied then whatever the outcome of this season’s competition.”
Martyn Kellett, secretary of Derby County’s city supporters’ branch, said: “We’re not in a position to throw stones but it’s very unfair on the fans of all those other clubs that have been docked points. Although anything could happen between now and the end of the season, I’m confident we’ll stay up anyway.”
Alan Bloore, Barnsley Supporters’ Trust chairman, said: “As vice president of the Football Supporters Federation and a Barnsley fan, I come at this from two angles.
“The FSF does not agree with a points deduction for clubs going into administration.
Our standpoint is that directors of the company should be financially penalised and banned.
“But as a Barnsley fan I believe what is right for one club is right for another.
Luton, Rotherham and Bournemouth were docked points for going into administration so the same should apply to Southampton, even if it is the holding company that has gone into administration. After all, that is still attached to the football club.
Southampton seem to have found a loophole but that is not fair on those other clubs.”
Comments(23)
Jesus_02
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12:26pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Jesus_02
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12:29pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:As a Portmuff fan your views are obviously oblivious to your own finacial peril.
As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1
homegrown
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12:38pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Chris1991
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12:46pm Thu 2 Apr 09
zambucco
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1:09pm Thu 2 Apr 09
bunneymen
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1:24pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay
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1:59pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ocean Village resident
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2:03pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Jesus_02 wrote:A ludicrous argument.
Saints should not be docked points. If anything Saints have been overcautious and was one of the few club that actaully operated at a profit in the Premier. Bournemouth should not have been docked points. There ambition was just to stay afloat and represent their city as with the majority of clubs. I dont know about Rotherham. Cant comment. Luton where also docked points for irregular agent payments. As for Leeds we all know about Leeds. Basically they wanted to be bigger thn Man U, to get the extra money for Europe. Teams should not be punnished for deallings of the pitch unless they have sought to gain an advantage of the pitch
Ryan Mckinlay
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2:08pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ocean Village resident wrote:mismanagement and greed, combined with reduced income, and as for not being docked any points can any saints fan really say that if it was a relegation rival that was in your situation that you would not want them to suffer the punishment?
Jesus_02 wrote: Saints should not be docked points. If anything Saints have been overcautious and was one of the few club that actaully operated at a profit in the Premier. Bournemouth should not have been docked points. There ambition was just to stay afloat and represent their city as with the majority of clubs. I dont know about Rotherham. Cant comment. Luton where also docked points for irregular agent payments. As for Leeds we all know about Leeds. Basically they wanted to be bigger thn Man U, to get the extra money for Europe. Teams should not be punnished for deallings of the pitch unless they have sought to gain an advantage of the pitchA ludicrous argument. Of course the club should be docked points. 'Overcautious'?? This whole predicament is down to extreme financial mismanagement.
East End Saint
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2:15pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:Funny that, I've actually put on a wager that they won't! See you in the Championship next season scummers!
Actually Gaydamek was born in France, and i would wager on Portsmouth still being premier league next year!!!!
Millbrook Dave
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2:27pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ocean Village resident
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2:33pm Thu 2 Apr 09
East End Saint wrote:And why do you think Saints will be in the Championship next season?
Ryan Mckinlay wrote: Actually Gaydamek was born in France, and i would wager on Portsmouth still being premier league next year!!!!Funny that, I've actually put on a wager that they won't! See you in the Championship next season scummers!
SFC4EVA
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3:00pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:F**K OFF SKATE!
As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1
Ryan Mckinlay
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3:45pm Thu 2 Apr 09
SFC4EVA wrote:I bow to your intelligence, pressure showing?
Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1F**K OFF SKATE!
East End Saint
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3:50pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Totton Ric
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9:55pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:Skate,you shortly will be in the fizzy pop league,difference is we are ready to go back into the premier league whilst you have a ground ready for conference sides (fact)
As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1
Ryan Mckinlay
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9:51am Fri 3 Apr 09
Totton Ric wrote:Is skate the best you can come up with? its like calling you a scummer please try harder. Although looking at your views on football i seriously doubt. quote "difference is we are ready to go back into the premier league". I think you meant to say we are ready to go into league 1. If/when Portsmouth tried to wriggle out of it like you lot are you would all be screaming
Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1Skate,you shortly will be in the fizzy pop league,difference is we are ready to go back into the premier league whilst you have a ground ready for conference sides (fact)
wellow werdna
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10:21am Fri 3 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:Nobody cares what you think Skate so keep your views to yourself!
As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1
Ryan Mckinlay
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1:25pm Fri 3 Apr 09
wellow werdna wrote:enjoy league 1 scummer!
Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1Nobody cares what you think Skate so keep your views to yourself!
wellow werdna
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1:44pm Fri 3 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:We will see D*ckhead!!
wellow werdna wrote:enjoy league 1 scummer!
Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1Nobody cares what you think Skate so keep your views to yourself!
Ryan Mckinlay
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3:24pm Fri 3 Apr 09
wellow werdna wrote:will indeed enjoy walsall!
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:We will see D*ckhead!!wellow werdna wrote:enjoy league 1 scummer!Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1Nobody cares what you think Skate so keep your views to yourself!
wellow werdna
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3:56pm Fri 3 Apr 09
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:Get yourself back down to Skateland, park up your caravan, go into that little backyard you pretend is a football ground, and start ringing your bell like your other fishy braindead mates!!
wellow werdna wrote:will indeed enjoy walsall!
Ryan Mckinlay wrote:We will see D*ckhead!!wellow werdna wrote:enjoy league 1 scummer!Ryan Mckinlay wrote: As a portsmouth fan i think Saints should be held accountable for the holding company and take the point deduction. If any of the other teams down and around you were to go into administration you would expect them to take the hit, and the plead of it being a holding company is weak as the holding company pays the staff, the maintenance the players etc. If you somehow manage to escape this i would be amazed - enjoy league 1Nobody cares what you think Skate so keep your views to yourself!
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12:19pm Thu 2 Apr 09