Heroin addicts’ families in Southampton get emergency drug kits (From Daily Echo)

Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

COOPER PIKEY wrote:
Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

COOPER PIKEY wrote:
Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

You've met all heroin addicts, and can safely say that, then? How long did it take you to do this extensive research? You realise that not all heroin addicts are the acne-ridden loser jobless junkies portrayed on TV, right? There are, for example, top executives of large multi-national companies, with families that they take care of perfectly well, who are addicted to heroin. Guess they're still scum, despite not checking any of the actual boxes for "scum of the earth" other than your one arbitrary measure, eh

'Funded by the National Treatment Agency, the trial could lead to the kits being handed out across the country to help cut the number of fatal overdoses.'

Funded by our taxes then? Now people get turned away for big operations because of funding yet we can do this, na it dont add up in my opnion. Better to spend money stopping people doing herion then paying the cost of cleaning up after the users.

Forest Resident wrote:

COOPER PIKEY wrote:
Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

Inevitably? Please show the results of your extensive research demonstrating that all heroin addicts rob from society to fund their habit.

Keith Richards: Heroin addict for so long it might as well have been a lifetime. When has he ever robbed anyone? And it's not just the rich and famous. Problem is, you only know about "heroin addicts" from the reports about heroin addicts stealing to fund their habit. There isn't ever a "heroin addict leads otherwise normal and fulfilling life" because it doesn't sell. But it does happen. More than you might like to think. It's all too easy to say "all heroin addicts are scum unworthy of life, and them and their families deserve to suffer". Actually thinking about the problem seems to be beyond most people. The heroin addicts you tend to read about in the papers, are basically screwed up people, and the heroin is a symptom, not a cause. If they weren't junkies, they'd be alcoholics, or some other kind of screw-up. Heroin is incidental in these cases. Write this off as lily-livered liberal rubbish if it makes things easier for you, but there's a reason these people take smack.

Know anybody with cancer? There's a good chance that's a direct result of a lifestyle choice they made. So do you treat them with the same contempt?

brennothornhill wrote:
'Funded by the National Treatment Agency, the trial could lead to the kits being handed out across the country to help cut the number of fatal overdoses.'

Funded by our taxes then? Now people get turned away for big operations because of funding yet we can do this, na it dont add up in my opnion. Better to spend money stopping people doing herion then paying the cost of cleaning up after the users.

Agree, it is better to stop it happening than clean it up afterwards, but in the meantime, we've still got the problem of people who are already using. It's easy to say "let 'em die" but think of their families. Then throw away the preconception that it's only a certain type that becomes an addict. It could easily be someone close to you. Would you just leave them to die? I hope not

Brenn rules. Spot on.

Shame889 wrote:

Forest Resident wrote:

COOPER PIKEY wrote:
Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

Inevitably? Please show the results of your extensive research demonstrating that all heroin addicts rob from society to fund their habit.

Keith Richards: Heroin addict for so long it might as well have been a lifetime. When has he ever robbed anyone? And it's not just the rich and famous. Problem is, you only know about "heroin addicts" from the reports about heroin addicts stealing to fund their habit. There isn't ever a "heroin addict leads otherwise normal and fulfilling life" because it doesn't sell. But it does happen. More than you might like to think. It's all too easy to say "all heroin addicts are scum unworthy of life, and them and their families deserve to suffer". Actually thinking about the problem seems to be beyond most people. The heroin addicts you tend to read about in the papers, are basically screwed up people, and the heroin is a symptom, not a cause. If they weren't junkies, they'd be alcoholics, or some other kind of screw-up. Heroin is incidental in these cases. Write this off as lily-livered liberal rubbish if it makes things easier for you, but there's a reason these people take smack.

Know anybody with cancer? There's a good chance that's a direct result of a lifestyle choice they made. So do you treat them with the same contempt?

My "extensive research" as you put it is based upon years of experience in the emergency services dealing with smack heads, so yes, in my experience it is inevitable the vast majority if users will cause society further suffering by stealing to fund their choice of having a drug habit! The "elite" drug users you mention are minute in number by comparison to the mainstream users. Drugs are NOT a symptom at all, they are are a choice and like any decision in life you suffer the consequences if you make the wrong choice. It really is that black and white.

As for your comparison to cancer, frankly I find that disgusting and incredibly ill-educated. A close friend of mine and a family member (both in their twenties) have died in recent years of this horrible disease through no fault of their own whatsoever. To even suggest such wonderful people were in any way comparable to a thieving junkie who does nothing but sponge off of society is laughable.

Extensive experience with people who end up in hospital as a result of an overdose. Again, a skewed demographic.

Your experience is akin to a policeman arresting a lot of black people, then concluding that all black people are criminals. And as for instilling all cancer victims with obligatory sainthood, gimme a break!

Forest Resident wrote:

Shame889 wrote:

Forest Resident wrote:

COOPER PIKEY wrote: Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

Inevitably? Please show the results of your extensive research demonstrating that all heroin addicts rob from society to fund their habit. Keith Richards: Heroin addict for so long it might as well have been a lifetime. When has he ever robbed anyone? And it's not just the rich and famous. Problem is, you only know about "heroin addicts" from the reports about heroin addicts stealing to fund their habit. There isn't ever a "heroin addict leads otherwise normal and fulfilling life" because it doesn't sell. But it does happen. More than you might like to think. It's all too easy to say "all heroin addicts are scum unworthy of life, and them and their families deserve to suffer". Actually thinking about the problem seems to be beyond most people. The heroin addicts you tend to read about in the papers, are basically screwed up people, and the heroin is a symptom, not a cause. If they weren't junkies, they'd be alcoholics, or some other kind of screw-up. Heroin is incidental in these cases. Write this off as lily-livered liberal rubbish if it makes things easier for you, but there's a reason these people take smack. Know anybody with cancer? There's a good chance that's a direct result of a lifestyle choice they made. So do you treat them with the same contempt?

My "extensive research" as you put it is based upon years of experience in the emergency services dealing with smack heads, so yes, in my experience it is inevitable the vast majority if users will cause society further suffering by stealing to fund their choice of having a drug habit! The "elite" drug users you mention are minute in number by comparison to the mainstream users. Drugs are NOT a symptom at all, they are are a choice and like any decision in life you suffer the consequences if you make the wrong choice. It really is that black and white. As for your comparison to cancer, frankly I find that disgusting and incredibly ill-educated. A close friend of mine and a family member (both in their twenties) have died in recent years of this horrible disease through no fault of their own whatsoever. To even suggest such wonderful people were in any way comparable to a thieving junkie who does nothing but sponge off of society is laughable.

That is narrow minded. The "choice", as you term it, surely disappears once the physical addiction takes hold. Or does your "years of experience" tell you otherwise?
We should be looking at the bigger picture here - society as a whole.

Emm_Roids wrote:

Forest Resident wrote:

Shame889 wrote:

Forest Resident wrote:

COOPER PIKEY wrote: Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

Inevitably? Please show the results of your extensive research demonstrating that all heroin addicts rob from society to fund their habit. Keith Richards: Heroin addict for so long it might as well have been a lifetime. When has he ever robbed anyone? And it's not just the rich and famous. Problem is, you only know about "heroin addicts" from the reports about heroin addicts stealing to fund their habit. There isn't ever a "heroin addict leads otherwise normal and fulfilling life" because it doesn't sell. But it does happen. More than you might like to think. It's all too easy to say "all heroin addicts are scum unworthy of life, and them and their families deserve to suffer". Actually thinking about the problem seems to be beyond most people. The heroin addicts you tend to read about in the papers, are basically screwed up people, and the heroin is a symptom, not a cause. If they weren't junkies, they'd be alcoholics, or some other kind of screw-up. Heroin is incidental in these cases. Write this off as lily-livered liberal rubbish if it makes things easier for you, but there's a reason these people take smack. Know anybody with cancer? There's a good chance that's a direct result of a lifestyle choice they made. So do you treat them with the same contempt?

My "extensive research" as you put it is based upon years of experience in the emergency services dealing with smack heads, so yes, in my experience it is inevitable the vast majority if users will cause society further suffering by stealing to fund their choice of having a drug habit! The "elite" drug users you mention are minute in number by comparison to the mainstream users. Drugs are NOT a symptom at all, they are are a choice and like any decision in life you suffer the consequences if you make the wrong choice. It really is that black and white. As for your comparison to cancer, frankly I find that disgusting and incredibly ill-educated. A close friend of mine and a family member (both in their twenties) have died in recent years of this horrible disease through no fault of their own whatsoever. To even suggest such wonderful people were in any way comparable to a thieving junkie who does nothing but sponge off of society is laughable.

That is narrow minded. The "choice", as you term it, surely disappears once the physical addiction takes hold. Or does your "years of experience" tell you otherwise?
We should be looking at the bigger picture here - society as a whole.

Exactly. But as soon as you say "society as a whole", the neanderthal armchair experts label you a liberal pussy and that's an end of it. Funnily enough, so far, these same experts have yet to solve a single actual problem. Capital punishment? Didn't work. Legalising guns? Didn't work. Any gardener will tell you, hacking away at weeds doesn't stop weeds growing

Forest Resident wrote:

COOPER PIKEY wrote: Why do we want to save heroin addicts lives? They are the Scum of the earth

Couldn't agree more, addicts inevitably rob from society to fund their habit, then they expect society to foot the bill to fix/maintain their addiction! This clearly doesn't add up. Drug users have a choice when they decide to take their poison, and as such they can suffer the consequences as far as i'm concerned.

I have actually met many addicts over the years. So let me rephrase. All the heroin addicts ive had the misfortune to meet over the years have been scum. Trust a do-gooder to pick out Multi Millionaire Keith Richards, who actually enjoys Cocaine much more these days.

See? Anything other than blanket condemnation for everyone else, gets you labelled as a "do-gooder". As if wanting to do good was a bad thing

lock them all up and make them do cold turkey.

Condor Man wrote:
lock them all up and make them do cold turkey.

LOL! Slender-grasps-R-us strikes again!

I want mine, NOW!!!!

Sorry, but I think you have got to be pretty screwed up just to try heroin even once. I think nearly everyone knows how bad heroin is and the serious physical addiction it causes, so to try it even the once (which more often than not leads to further use) is a completely idiotic thing to do. And in my opinion, these 'normal people' that Shame889 is talking about, with normal jobs and families are in fact not normal if they are taking heroin. It is such a stupid thing to do. I have known a couple of heroin addicts too and I have to say, I agree that they were scum of the earth type people- not saying that all are because I haven't met all of them! I think more should be done to stop people taking it in the first place, or get them off it rather than help them when they take too much because they got greedy or needed a stronger fix.