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Southampton City Council to turn refuse collectors into bin spies


BINMEN are set to be armed with computers to spy on the rubbish habits of Southampton residents.

They will use handheld devices to log the details of householders who leave out their bins on the wrong day, fail to recycle properly, or put out too much rubbish.

Repeat offenders will get a knock on the door from the council’s bin police who will point out what they are doing wrong.

If they still persist in breaking the rules they will be issued with a letter warning them they face a £100 fixed penalty fine under the Environmental Protection Act.

And as revealed by the Daily Echo traffic wardens will soon be handed the job of enforcing such enviro-crime.

They will be given the extra powers as they become part of an expanded 55-strong city patrol force dubbed stormtroopers.

Tory council leaders say the £179,000 computer system will make the waste service run better and save cash but critics fear it could also pave the way for new bin taxes.

Unions leaders have branded it a waste of money and want extra payments for drivers who will have to operate the handheld devices on the city’s 34 dustcarts.

Crews will have access to details of their round, traffic updates and information on each house, such as any special requirements and previous missed bins.

They will log incidents of damaged or contaminated bins and those not put out to defend complaints about missed collections.

Doretta Cocks from Chandler’s Ford, who founded the Campaign for Weekly Waste Collection, said: “I can think of no other reason to bring this in unless they intend to charge residents. The number of people who deliberately contaminate bins is quite small.

“It seems an awful lot of expense if they don’t plan to recoup it somewhere. If it’s not exactly Big Brother now it has the potential to be.”

John Early, a convenor with the council’s branch of the Unite union, said: “We’ve been ensured it’s purely a management tool. But it’s going to take the drivers time to get used to it. I think the residents will be more upset by it. I personally think it’s a waste of taxpayers’ money.”

The council claims the GPS-based “Waste Collector Live” system, manufactured by Bartec Systems and used by 16 other authorities, will deliver a “more efficient”

service and help it respond to issues more quickly.

They insist there will be no microchips put in bins and deny the system amounted to “spying on people”.

Head of waste Andrew Trayer said: “The vast majority of the population will be invisible to this system. This is not Big Brother.”

And while those who contaminate bins or leave them cluttering pavements would be targeted they would still get “plenty of chances” to change their ways.

Tory council leaders, who are facing a £9.6m budget hole next year and have already drawn up plans to save £1.5m and axe 31 jobs, reckon the Bartec system will save the council £50,000 a year.

The Government’s pay-as-you-throw plans were dealt a blow earlier this year when no council volunteered to take part in its trials. Local authorities would have been given powers to give rebates to those producing the least waste and slap fines of up to £50 on those who don’t recycle enough.


Comments(36)

Condor Man says...
11:13am Sat 4 Jul 09

A bit draconian, no doubt it will lead to an increase in fly tipping. A poorly thought through scheme- promoted of course by the government.

Original Bulldog says...
11:23am Sat 4 Jul 09

What rubbish the Echo are reporting, the refuse collectors will not be checking peoples bins and never will. This is completeley different department.

madson says...
11:37am Sat 4 Jul 09

WHat a waste of time and money. So they are going to work on bank holiday then even the bin people over fill bins by emptying one bin to another so now the poor home owner will get fined for them being lazy. and are the bin people going to but the bins back at the correct house ?? How can the council afford this whem they have a sort full of money

Tobeblunt says...
11:45am Sat 4 Jul 09

madson wrote:
WHat a waste of time and money. So they are going to work on bank holiday then even the bin people over fill bins by emptying one bin to another so now the poor home owner will get fined for them being lazy. and are the bin people going to but the bins back at the correct house ?? How can the council afford this whem they have a sort full of money
So a load of people will end up with fines around christmas time then. I agree what a waste of time, even the council themselves cannot recycle properly and have no facility to recycle glass, so until then they need to shut up and sort themselves out first before thowing their pathetic weight around.

Lone Ranger says...
11:47am Sat 4 Jul 09

More waste of the Council Taxpayers money.

Perhaps the Stormtropers can do this whilst checking on who drops litter and parks on yellow lines.

Pathetic Tory control

goard says...
12:11pm Sat 4 Jul 09

So now there is an automatic device for dustbins.
There is no doubt about it this Country is in a mess and we have messy people, but the majority of the people do all the right things. Governments who, with hindsight had no idea how to control packaging industries. The bottles are rinsed and taken to glass bins - each bin has a certain colour. Tips are up to 10 miles away and in this day and age people just don't have vehicles. Garden refuse bags are £15 each, with £20 for Council to collect each bag fortnightly each year. Where the hell does all this end. Our Rates are exhorbitant but 'they' still police our very existance. Who orchastrated this dangerous game of control. We have an element of unruliness but who?

goard

Stubs says...
12:14pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Looks like council tax is on the rise again next year. What a rip off.

Saints Mike says...
12:21pm Sat 4 Jul 09

This has not wheelie bin thought out properly, what with Royston's Stormtroopers, Wheelie Bin Police, Pigeon Feeding Police, City Patrol (in then out) Plastic Police or PCSO's, Traffic Wardens doubling up as Dog Mess Police, so many different forms of police set up to save money. Any chance of a Real Police Service, you know the one's we used to have, those that could arrest you, that knew the local troublemakers and villains were. I think they called them Bobbies on the beat.

TheRealDeal says...
12:23pm Sat 4 Jul 09

can't see this happening. for a start the binmen never return bins where they find them. 55 stormtroopers versus thousands of bins! Along with parking tickets and confiscating alcohol from the hundreds of yobbos there won't be enough hours in the day.

Allotmentman66 says...
12:32pm Sat 4 Jul 09

What a load of rubbish, typical Tory council, another way of wasting tax payer money, what the council should do is train their rubbish collectors to return the wheelie bins back inside people's gateways when they have emptied them and NOT leave the bins in the middle of the pavement blocking the way,

this is yet another BIG BROTHER act - who's crazy cracked brain idea is this(money waster royston Smith)

Humpty_dumpty says...
12:35pm Sat 4 Jul 09

My mother lives in Inner Avenue, Southampton in a terraced house with no access to the back garden without walking through the house. The council have just written to her to say they are removing her wheelie bins unless she removes them from the front of the house! This is not the first time the Council have done this they took them away a couple of years ago and then returned them as people were complaining that they had to leave the rubbish on he pavement in black bags that oftened got pulled apart by animals and left an even bigger mess on the streets. The Council just seem to waste their time on petty matters and never seem to address real worth while matters! Also like someone else said on here the dustbin men never return them to where they find them half the time anyway!

TheRealDeal says...
12:44pm Sat 4 Jul 09

i suggest everyone starts monitoring what their binmen are doing from now on. take a photo of them not putting your bin back properly. If the stormtroopers then decide come a knocking you can tell them to politely go away.

southy says...
12:52pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Condor Man wrote:
A bit draconian, no doubt it will lead to an increase in fly tipping. A poorly thought through scheme- promoted of course by the government.
no condor it comes from southampton council umm a tory run council.

madness says...
1:07pm Sat 4 Jul 09

are these storm troopers going to watch the bins from the moment they are put on the street, i can not understand how they can give you a fine for what is in your bin if they can't prove it, the bin belongs to the property not the person and is owned by the southhampton city council, and when its put out on the street for collection who's responsible for it then, anybody can add rubbish to your bin without you knowing anything about it, last week i pulled a bicycle wheel out of my green lidded bin,perhaps that kind person thought that they where doing good by keeping the streets clean. its a shame they dont take care when they cut the grass and hedges back. talk about leavig a mess its the council that needs to be fined not the puplic.

itsmehere says...
1:10pm Sat 4 Jul 09

**shaking head** oh dear, oh dear, this poor country. I just don't know what to say or think about it anymore. Words fail me.

OSPREYSAINT says...
1:30pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Big Brother or what? It's asking for civil disobedience and also a complete waste of my hard earned Council Tax money. Next time you get to vote these numpties out, do it.

TheRealDeal says...
1:40pm Sat 4 Jul 09

anybody know where i can hire a jedi knight to lead the resistance?

Snowman says...
2:07pm Sat 4 Jul 09

My gawd, if this wasn't so stupid it would be comical, extra wages , cost of Computers?..wat next..Same type of bins here , have to put them in right place for collection by Auto- truck. Have to be put back in owners yard within 24hrs, ( some never are) , Anyway, have Bi-law policing the trouble spots and may get a $50.00 fine . Re-cycling bins around the city as well as owner/tenant. Seems to work most of the time... Glad not to be in So'ton anymore UK is going crazy,,

Grumpy San says...
2:39pm Sat 4 Jul 09

It doesn't seem to matter who's running the council. Every party so far has come up with some loony ideas. Before people get fined for putting the wrong thing in the wrong bin, I would like to know if every bit that is put into the recycled bin actually gets recycled ?

Paramjit Bahia says...
3:31pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Condor Man wrote:
A bit draconian, no doubt it will lead to an increase in fly tipping. A poorly thought through scheme- promoted of course by the government.
I think when you say "by the government" you actually mean the local government which is run by the real Conservative Party as opposed to the central government of de facto Tories.

Do you think Thatcher's dream of police state is on the way?

Nearly an OAP says...
4:26pm Sat 4 Jul 09

The Council should get its own house in order, starting with a collection for glass, and talk to some of the refuse collectors to get their ideas on streamlining the system. The labour relations with their employees seem to be at an all-time low. They should remember that we, the customers, also provide their wages (including football-sized wages to some of their officers) and should be consulted and treated with some respect. My experience of some of the council's services that I have used recently is that they are lacking to say the least and the morale of some of their staff is at an all-time low also.

Condor Man says...
5:31pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Condor Man wrote: A bit draconian, no doubt it will lead to an increase in fly tipping. A poorly thought through scheme- promoted of course by the government.
I think when you say "by the government" you actually mean the local government which is run by the real Conservative Party as opposed to the central government of de facto Tories. Do you think Thatcher's dream of police state is on the way?
Thatcher achieved that in the 90's when football grounds went all seater and benefits started to be paid directly into bank accounts.

southampton999 says...
5:38pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Allotmentman66, Bitterne says...
12:32pm Sat 4 Jul 09
What a load of rubbish, typical Tory council, another way of wasting tax payer money, what the council should do is train their rubbish collectors to return the wheelie bins back inside people's gateways when they have emptied them and NOT leave the bins in the middle of the pavement blocking the way,

this is yet another BIG BROTHER act - who's crazy cracked brain idea is this(money waster royston Smith)


What a load of cobblers!!! THis is not the Tories fault. It is our Stalinist Labour bunch of losers who have been slowly but surely snooping more and more into our lives since 1997. Have you not read Animal Farm?!!!

Nod says...
5:40pm Sat 4 Jul 09

If and when this comes into force. Everyone should take their bins and put them all together at the nearest road junction. Lets render this extension to the "information State" useless...

southy says...
6:55pm Sat 4 Jul 09

TheRealDeal wrote:
anybody know where i can hire a jedi knight to lead the resistance?
yes realdeal there is a sort off jedi knight's out there, come the next general and local election vote them in, they be going under the banner of the socialist party.

""southampton999, southampton says...
5:38pm Sat 4 Jul 09
What a load of cobblers!!! THis is not the Tories fault. It is our Stalinist Labour bunch of losers who have been slowly but surely snooping more and more into our lives since 1997. Have you not read Animal Farm?!!!""
it is the torys even this main goverment is tory labour party, labour has lost its ways and no longer repressent the masses or the common man. and the snooping started back in 1980, and it's been pushing this country in to a fascist state, and people like you have been letting it happen.

Saintlygirl says...
7:13pm Sat 4 Jul 09

This completely infuriates me. I so hope it's not true. As it is, you can be fined for leaving your bins outside your property - I have to say that our bins are in our front garden BEFORE the bin men arrive, but the bin men leave them on the pavement! We are in the middle of a recession and life is tough enough right now. Families cannot afford for this bullying kind of tactic. Shame on Southampton City Council if it is true.

Aimee1992 says...
9:01pm Sat 4 Jul 09

It's disgusting! The other week when I was walking to college I watched the binmen place recycling rubbish into the same waste van as the ordinary household waste. This is why there are two seperate days or vans to collect the rubbish. It makes me laugh, what's the point in having two bloody bins if there not being used correctly, it's a waste of our time we feel good at the end of the day thinking we have done our bit when they sefishly dismiss it. And now they're getting paid more for spying on our rubbish, who came up with that idea? Is it a joke or did they employ a child to think of that. Another uneeded way of spending the tax payers money. What if some random person walks past and uses our bins for their waste and puts the wrong objects in one, we'll get the finger pointed at, then they'll fine us and get more money from us! It's disgusting. Southampton City Council have nothing better to do than think of idiotic plans like these, you have to be kidding. My nan was supposed to have her kitchen redone last July, all winter she had an unfinished kitchen costing her a bomb in heating etc and they have only just finished it this week, it is appauling. I say to them get your f****** finger out and do something which will be a benefit to everyone not just them. Money grabbing twurps.

Vconfused says...
9:37pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Hasn't the wheelie bin fiasco in Southampton gone on long enough?? It seems to have been mentioned as an issue in every local election for years. They are collecting rubbish! Please councillors, spend some time and money on the real issues, like the city schools.

Polygonia says...
9:47pm Sat 4 Jul 09

We warned the Council that bins in student ghettos would be a disaster, firstly they were left on the pavements for years, then the refuse men had special instructions to put them back in gardens in the Polygon area only, then that was changed again to try to get the residents to bring them in and out in the correct manner.
Some people still cannot do that despite the warnings of fines on the lids of the bins. Another nuisance is having them kicked over by drunken passers by during the night.
The bins are just not practical for the city centre but as rats rule there
we shall have to put up with the bins.

MrGMan says...
10:26pm Sat 4 Jul 09

If you read this article then you will see that this is complete and utter overblown nonsense.

Where does it say that there will be hordes of bin police?

All it says is that the binmen will log bins to prove they are collecting them.

Bemused reader says...
11:00pm Sat 4 Jul 09

Perhaps the council could also tell us how they intend to recycle shredded paper as we are not allow to put it in our recyclying bins.
We are told time and time again to shred important documents with personal details on them to help stop idenity theft, but provide no means of recycling the shredded paper in question. Maybe they should look in their own bins first, and put their own house in order.

Bartonian says...
11:43pm Sat 4 Jul 09

This has only been made possible under the provisions of the Reulatory Investigative Proceedures Act (RIPA) of 2002. Such an Act originally empowered poice forces to perform surveillance duties, but then it was extended to local councils nationwide. Since then, local authorities have been abusing these powers by undertaking acts of spying on people and what they get upto. For example, one council in Dorset routinely spied on a family, because they suspected that a child was going to a school outside the local catchment area. Rubbish bins have been chipped by some councils to find out how much rubbish was thrown into wheelie bins. The hysteria over refuge is traced back to European Directives, which also cover areas such as Data Protection and Post Office closures. Befire anyone blames the city council, they must discover firstly, what has empowered them to do this and the answer lies with Tony Blair and the horrible laws that make up RIPA. The issue of Flouridisation has probably got something to do with this Act, as local democracy has been eroded by such draconian laws. To make things even worse, centrla government swiftly pushed through another law, the Regulatory Reforms Act 2005. This enables the executive, consisting of Gordon Brown's cabinet, to repeal any laws that they don't like, without the consent of the legislative. This Act, along with RIPA are two of the most destructive pieces of lawmaking this country has ever witnessed, and if one is worried about people spying on their rubbish bins, they haven't seen anything yet!

KA says...
7:54am Sun 5 Jul 09

Aimee1992 wrote:
It's disgusting! The other week when I was walking to college I watched the binmen place recycling rubbish into the same waste van as the ordinary household waste. This is why there are two seperate days or vans to collect the rubbish. It makes me laugh, what's the point in having two bloody bins if there not being used correctly, it's a waste of our time we feel good at the end of the day thinking we have done our bit when they sefishly dismiss it. And now they're getting paid more for spying on our rubbish, who came up with that idea? Is it a joke or did they employ a child to think of that. Another uneeded way of spending the tax payers money. What if some random person walks past and uses our bins for their waste and puts the wrong objects in one, we'll get the finger pointed at, then they'll fine us and get more money from us! It's disgusting. Southampton City Council have nothing better to do than think of idiotic plans like these, you have to be kidding. My nan was supposed to have her kitchen redone last July, all winter she had an unfinished kitchen costing her a bomb in heating etc and they have only just finished it this week, it is appauling. I say to them get your f****** finger out and do something which will be a benefit to everyone not just them. Money grabbing twurps.
Lol :D

Dusty says...
9:19am Sun 5 Jul 09

I see a lot of resentment towards binmen. They do not implement policy, your councilors do. Bin men do not want to get involved in politics, they just want to empty your bin and go home. They do not get paid enough to put up with this hostility that has nothing to do with them and its only the ignorant and short sighted people that see no further than the bin man.

People treat them with contempt, but with out them, where would you be?


goard says...
12:09pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Does anyone remember the huge mountains of household waste - left on verges before Thatcher got in? Now Labour have gone the other way - clear it all but charge the public a bomb - again they can't say because of the downturn because they have been dictating all this long before - its all a matter of leasing out as a business - and these greedy ruffians are milking us rotten, as with every other essential services.

goard

southy says...
1:17pm Sun 5 Jul 09

goard wrote:
Does anyone remember the huge mountains of household waste - left on verges before Thatcher got in? Now Labour have gone the other way - clear it all but charge the public a bomb - again they can't say because of the downturn because they have been dictating all this long before - its all a matter of leasing out as a business - and these greedy ruffians are milking us rotten, as with every other essential services.

goard
also happen twice in the 80,s


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