Last ditch attempt to hijack Saints deal (From Daily Echo)

curly99 wrote:
Why wait for the last minute?? If you wanted a bargain I think you have left it too late.

Fawleysajollygoodfel
low wrote:
What time do banks actually open in switzerland? I guess its like transfering funds in buying a house........

azpect wrote:
The Times newspaper are reporting that the Swiss Markus Liebherr deal is FINAL subject to the fund transfer. So will go through!

saintrooty wrote:
right, pro's and con's time.
PROS
Markus L- personal wealth of 3b, its just him, Liebherr all ready have ties with southampton, there is proof he has a sound business brain and is succesful.
CONS
seems to have little knowladge of football business, He is on his own.

International Group
PROS
Group of wealthy business men, Kieth Harris,

CONS
No idea who they are, no idea of intentions, being a group can lead to in fighting.....feel free to add..

stmarysmush, literally wrote:

curly99 wrote: Why wait for the last minute?? If you wanted a bargain I think you have left it too late.

By definition, the last minute isn't too late

GaftheHorse wrote:
Le Tissier's Nose, look up the definition of Administration in Wikipedia, (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Administra tion_(law)). As you can see from that Fry doesn't represent you, me, the club, the players, the fans or Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. He represents the creditors who were owed money when SLH went into administration. He has to get them the best value by keeping the company going, or wind it up and realise the best value for the assets. He is not being "greedy", he is doing his legal duty by the creditors. Leave the poor bloke alone, he's been doing a sterling job and, within the limits of his legal role, he has been very good to the club I think.

GaftheHorse wrote:
Le Tissier's Nose, look up the definition of Administration in Wikipedia, (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Administra tion_(law)). As you can see from that Fry doesn't represent you, me, the club, the players, the fans or Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. He represents the creditors who were owed money when SLH went into administration. He has to get them the best value by keeping the company going, or wind it up and realise the best value for the assets. He is not being "greedy", he is doing his legal duty by the creditors. Leave the poor bloke alone, he's been doing a sterling job and, within the limits of his legal role, he has been very good to the club I think.

Northern Saint wrote:

GaftheHorse wrote: Le Tissier's Nose, look up the definition of Administration in Wikipedia, (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Administra tion_(law)). As you can see from that Fry doesn't represent you, me, the club, the players, the fans or Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. He represents the creditors who were owed money when SLH went into administration. He has to get them the best value by keeping the company going, or wind it up and realise the best value for the assets. He is not being "greedy", he is doing his legal duty by the creditors. Leave the poor bloke alone, he's been doing a sterling job and, within the limits of his legal role, he has been very good to the club I think.

100% agree

azpect wrote:
Why would you complain to the Football League if the admin sell the club to someone else? Seems crazy no?

Northern Saint wrote:
Le Tiss' Nose - in wanting to get this sorted we agree but how much of misinformation has been from Daily Echo trying generate a story or interested parties such as The Orville Group? This story has been run because Harris phoned the Echo

Bashfan wrote:

azpect wrote:
Why would you complain to the Football League if the admin sell the club to someone else? Seems crazy no?

Agreed but why not? They seem to think that they make the laws in this country (experts on company law, blackmail included in their contracts). It would be an easy mistake.

azpect wrote:

Bashfan wrote:

azpect wrote: Why would you complain to the Football League if the admin sell the club to someone else? Seems crazy no?

Agreed but why not? They seem to think that they make the laws in this country (experts on company law, blackmail included in their contracts). It would be an easy mistake.

I'm thinking about complaining to Ascot racecourse about the horses I backed not winning.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:
Bankers and financial people run off with your money. Engineers make things, build things, maintain things. Gice me an engineer over a banker anyday. I have had my fill of a man with a banking background and everyone knows who he is. He has gone thank goodness so don't let another one through the door. No banker ever built anything. They are parasites.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:
Bankers and financial people run off with your money. Engineers make things, build things, maintain things. Gice me an engineer over a banker anyday. I have had my fill of a man with a banking background and everyone knows who he is. He has gone thank goodness so don't let another one through the door. No banker ever built anything. They are parasites.

stmarysmush, literally wrote:

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote: Bankers and financial people run off with your money. Engineers make things, build things, maintain things. Gice me an engineer over a banker anyday. I have had my fill of a man with a banking background and everyone knows who he is. He has gone thank goodness so don't let another one through the door. No banker ever built anything. They are parasites.

LOL@narrow-minded idiots who make their mind up about everything based on one stupid rule they came up with because of reading a tabloid. Are you telling me that all bankers and "financial people" (whatever that means) always run off with your money? Yes, you probably are. Despite the fact that you still use banks, and have not yet had all your money stolen by them. Fool

chip eater wrote:
guys we've been in admin since April...last ditch attemptsdon't get it

adscm wrote:
Why are you blaming MF???? This article states that the WFG have put in a higher bid. Therefore, if MF only wanted the highest bid for the club he would accept the WFG's offer. He also has a responsibility for ensuring that he accepts the best offer likely to (a) keep the company from going back into administration in a few months/years time and (b) will be able to take the company forward successfully. Things like this take time and sometimes you are in the hands of other people - the Football League, Creditors, Banks etc. - and therefore all you (MF) can do is wait. He can't totally ignore other bidders, in case his chosen option falls through, just like the Pinnacle deal did. So he has to keep them interested and hear what they have to say or offer. But now it seems that MF IS trying to finalise the Swiss deal quickly by virtue of the fact that he seems to have "gone to ground" and is not taking the WFG's calls etc. Unless you know with certainty that MF is stalling on any deal to get Saints out of administration, I don't think you should be criticising him publicly! We all know the length of time this is taking is frustrating. But we have to be patient. Like I said, things are in the hands of other people as well as ourselves.

adscm wrote:
Why are you blaming MF???? This article states that the WFG have put in a higher bid. Therefore, if MF only wanted the highest bid for the club he would accept the WFG's offer. He also has a responsibility for ensuring that he accepts the best offer likely to (a) keep the company from going back into administration in a few months/years time and (b) will be able to take the company forward successfully. Things like this take time and sometimes you are in the hands of other people - the Football League, Creditors, Banks etc. - and therefore all you (MF) can do is wait. He can't totally ignore other bidders, in case his chosen option falls through, just like the Pinnacle deal did. So he has to keep them interested and hear what they have to say or offer. But now it seems that MF IS trying to finalise the Swiss deal quickly by virtue of the fact that he seems to have "gone to ground" and is not taking the WFG's calls etc. Unless you know with certainty that MF is stalling on any deal to get Saints out of administration, I don't think you should be criticising him publicly! We all know the length of time this is taking is frustrating. But we have to be patient. Like I said, things are in the hands of other people as well as ourselves.

montecristosaint wrote:

chip eater wrote:
guys we've been in admin since April...last ditch attemptsdon't get it

if Harris's group are offering a lot more then the creditors will not sign off on the swiss deal..doh..

aussie saint wrote:
Just gone 8 pm Sydney time and checking the web every half hour just waiting to pop the bubbly. Come on 2009

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

Saints Mike wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

Let's be honest, the wait has been sooooooooo long, the Echo must love it. The more hits on here they get the better the advertising revenue.
P and O will be paying through the nose for their advert, by the time this saga has run it's course, also Saints fan have always had opinions, just listen to them down the Plume after a game, it's shame it has taken something like this to get them aired. I bet there is not much work getting in the office's today

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

Let's be honest, the wait has been sooooooooo long, the Echo must love it. The more hits on here they get the better the advertising revenue.
P and O will be paying through the nose for their advert, by the time this saga has run it's course, also Saints fan have always had opinions, just listen to them down the Plume after a game, it's shame it has taken something like this to get them aired. I bet there is not much work getting in the office's today

You foresaw my next post, Mike!

Isn't there some other site where this can be discussed? One where the ad revenues go some small way toward the club, perhaps?

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
What does me having or not having shares in some stupid football club have to do with anything? LOL@idiots who WAAAAH and report anybody who says anything they don't like!

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

saintsliveon wrote:
from what i understand the Swiss have no idea how to run a footbal club and in fact are not interested in the club only the land opportunity. The Harris consortium were talking to Fry before Pinnacle but he kept ignoring them. Harris represents true football people with real money and real passion for SFC. why does Fry keep extending deadlines when the others are ready to go. something doesnt add up.

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Cheapshot wrote:
has anyone been down sms today?

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Same here, watching the Ashes whilst awaiting news, supposed to working at home.

I hope my boss aint doing the same, LOL ,England are 44 -1

SW mass-hurt Are the Echo predicting something?

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Same here, watching the Ashes whilst awaiting news, supposed to working at home.

I hope my boss aint doing the same, LOL ,England are 44 -1

SW mass-hurt Are the Echo predicting something?

After observing the patterns of security words for a while, I've come to the conclusion that they're farmed from word-associations run against the comments themselves, as well as the stories.

Experiment: if we all put the name of a bird in all posts on this thread, and my theory is correct, the word "bird" will come up in the captcha at some point, for someone

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Same here, watching the Ashes whilst awaiting news, supposed to working at home.

I hope my boss aint doing the same, LOL ,England are 44 -1

SW mass-hurt Are the Echo predicting something?

After observing the patterns of security words for a while, I've come to the conclusion that they're farmed from word-associations run against the comments themselves, as well as the stories.

Experiment: if we all put the name of a bird in all posts on this thread, and my theory is correct, the word "bird" will come up in the captcha at some point, for someone

This old mush from St Marys has been counting "chickens" for weeks.

The banks have been open for a fair while today. Some websites lead us to believe the deal had been signed but the money transfer had to be made this morning.

I know I'm tired out.. the stuffing has been knocked out of this old bird.. but I hope this deal isn't as dead as a Dodo.

Still glowing inside hoping the club is a phoenix.

I mean Kiwi's have hearts as big as a Moa Bird.

The Moa was a NZ native carnivorous bird like a 15ft high emu.

I just hope the deal comes home to roost so we can all go **** a hoot.

By the way I love great tits grey tits blue tits and those little tits that play with the milk tops. Hope this doesn't go tits up.

LOL... get with the bird ... I'm sure it will go through as Mr Liebherr is a wise old owl.

Saints Mike wrote:

saintsliveon wrote: from what i understand the Swiss have no idea how to run a footbal club and in fact are not interested in the club only the land opportunity. The Harris consortium were talking to Fry before Pinnacle but he kept ignoring them. Harris represents true football people with real money and real passion for SFC. why does Fry keep extending deadlines when the others are ready to go. something doesnt add up.

How do you know? Who are these real football people are? Can you inform us all? Your knowledge is obviously more than ours, So please do tell

saintsliveon wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

saintsliveon wrote: from what i understand the Swiss have no idea how to run a footbal club and in fact are not interested in the club only the land opportunity. The Harris consortium were talking to Fry before Pinnacle but he kept ignoring them. Harris represents true football people with real money and real passion for SFC. why does Fry keep extending deadlines when the others are ready to go. something doesnt add up.

How do you know? Who are these real football people are? Can you inform us all? Your knowledge is obviously more than ours, So please do tell

cant say, but you only have to analyse the goings on to work it out Harris IS Mr Football, fact, how many clubs has Leibherr been involved in? why did Pinnacle have so much leeway when they obviuolsy had no money and why is the banker at barclays who handled the club now working at Begbies (as reported in the Daily Mail yesterday)
very strange dont you think

FaceonaBus wrote:
Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Same here, watching the Ashes whilst awaiting news, supposed to working at home.

I hope my boss aint doing the same, LOL ,England are 44 -1

SW mass-hurt Are the Echo predicting something?

After observing the patterns of security words for a while, I've come to the conclusion that they're farmed from word-associations run against the comments themselves, as well as the stories.

Experiment: if we all put the name of a bird in all posts on this thread, and my theory is correct, the word "bird" will come up in the captcha at some point, for someone

This old mush from St Marys has been counting "chickens" for weeks.

The banks have been open for a fair while today. Some websites lead us to believe the deal had been signed but the money transfer had to be made this morning.

I know I'm tired out.. the stuffing has been knocked out of this old bird.. but I hope this deal isn't as dead as a Dodo.

Still glowing inside hoping the club is a phoenix.

I mean Kiwi's have hearts as big as a Moa Bird.

The Moa was a NZ native carnivorous bird like a 15ft high emu.

I just hope the deal comes home to roost so we can all go **** a hoot.

By the way I love great tits grey tits blue tits and those little tits that play with the milk tops. Hope this doesn't go tits up.

LOL... get with the bird ... I'm sure it will go through as Mr Liebherr is a wise old owl.

Go to bed Dan, before you go cuckoo,don't count your chicken's before they hatch, You need some sleep, or you will be as dead as dodo, you will wake to find the phoenix has risen from the ashes, talking of ashes england are 90-3,

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote:
Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

I hope your wrong and I'm right. Can't take much more. Off to SMS now to see what is happening. It's doing my head in.

FaceonaBus wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote:
Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

I hope your wrong and I'm right. Can't take much more. Off to SMS now to see what is happening. It's doing my head in.

I too hope I am wrong mate. If you going to SMS let us on here know if theres is any activity. Will put us stuck at work out of our misery.

bumblysaint wrote:
Don't let this other group in for God's sake.If they're that desperate that they have to ask the Echo if they have any more contacts for Mr Fry what does that say about 'em, If you're thinking about spending millions on something,you should at least know how to contact the seller. It seems to spell sloppiness and God knows we've all had enough of that over the last few years. Saints forever,and bring in the Swiss. COYRs.

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote:
Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

I hope your wrong and I'm right. Can't take much more. Off to SMS now to see what is happening. It's doing my head in.

I too hope I am wrong mate. If you going to SMS let us on here know if theres is any activity. Will put us stuck at work out of our misery.

Supposed to be working at home today, not got much done, what with this and the Ashes....I know my boss won't catch me out...ugly skate he is...I will let you know anything, try a log on from my mobile...enjoy the rest of your day lol

FaceonaBus wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

stmarysmush, literally, wrote:
Joking aside, isn't it amazing how any mention of "Saints" on the Echo site will attract hundreds of comments? Not saying it's a good or bad thing, just pointing out that all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on it, just because the Echo dangles some snippet in front of y'all

If the echo had an open saints forum thread for us to chat and post on we'd use them but attaching them to stories works.

These threads give us a chance to bounce thoughts and feeling off like minded ppl

It isn't just because they dangle news in front of us, it's because we're interested and most of us care very much about Saints.

I've been away from soton for many years but I'll tell you what... Saints is Blood... you really feel it even more when you've been away for a while.

I'm working at my pc at home some of the time and sometimes with the telly on too... handy and fun too

If you don't get too carried away it's fun and informative.

Same here, watching the Ashes whilst awaiting news, supposed to working at home.

I hope my boss aint doing the same, LOL ,England are 44 -1

SW mass-hurt Are the Echo predicting something?

After observing the patterns of security words for a while, I've come to the conclusion that they're farmed from word-associations run against the comments themselves, as well as the stories.

Experiment: if we all put the name of a bird in all posts on this thread, and my theory is correct, the word "bird" will come up in the captcha at some point, for someone

This old mush from St Marys has been counting "chickens" for weeks.

The banks have been open for a fair while today. Some websites lead us to believe the deal had been signed but the money transfer had to be made this morning.

I know I'm tired out.. the stuffing has been knocked out of this old bird.. but I hope this deal isn't as dead as a Dodo.

Still glowing inside hoping the club is a phoenix.

I mean Kiwi's have hearts as big as a Moa Bird.

The Moa was a NZ native carnivorous bird like a 15ft high emu.

I just hope the deal comes home to roost so we can all go **** a hoot.

By the way I love great tits grey tits blue tits and those little tits that play with the milk tops. Hope this doesn't go tits up.

LOL... get with the bird ... I'm sure it will go through as Mr Liebherr is a wise old owl.

Go to bed Dan, before you go cuckoo,don't count your chicken's before they hatch, You need some sleep, or you will be as dead as dodo, you will wake to find the phoenix has risen from the ashes, talking of ashes england are 90-3,

all of you seem to be having a lark, with nothing to crow about but liebherr and cranes. robin pheasants stole my albatross for an eagle

SW trip-wing, The birds are getting in the nest,

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote: Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

I hope your wrong and I'm right. Can't take much more. Off to SMS now to see what is happening. It's doing my head in.

Alicesdad wrote:

Saints Mike wrote:

FaceonaBus wrote: Just heard a horrible rumour that maybe Swiss man is thinking about walking away due to the Overseas bidders talking about moaning to the FL about not winning their bid. Childish, but it may yet cause us to lose what looks like a good deal for us. This apparently is why there has been no announcement yet.

I hope your wrong and I'm right. Can't take much more. Off to SMS now to see what is happening. It's doing my head in.

It's doing everybody's head in. But consider for a moment .. The Swiss gentleman and his family didn't get that rich by being childish and walking away from business opportunities. This latest story about last minute bids is a puff based on a call to the Echo. Shame on them for blowing it up so much. It's up to the creditors now. They need to agree a sum to accept now and agree the terms for the future on any outstanding debt. Once that is done and completed there will be an announcement. Nobody on here has any idea when that will be. Who knows .. thirty seconds from now it might all be announced .. I wish

Cheapshot wrote:
has anyone been down sms today?