Minister refuses to back calls for referendum on water issue (From Daily Echo)

John Denham is a Labour MP and part of a government who insists it is now listening to the British electorate.

Clearly Denham's refusal to back a referendum on fluoridation simply confirms that this government DOES NOT listen and is operating a dictatorship that would even make some of the old eastern European countries look democratic!

Come on Denham. Support your voters or resign. Better still, get Chairman Brown to call an immediate election.

And what exactly is wrong with referendums as way to gauge public opinion? Isn't it crystal clear by now that the government officials define consultation as the act of persuading the public to see things their way?

eurogordi wrote:
John Denham is a Labour MP and part of a government who insists it is now listening to the British electorate.

Clearly Denham's refusal to back a referendum on fluoridation simply confirms that this government DOES NOT listen and is operating a dictatorship that would even make some of the old eastern European countries look democratic!

Come on Denham. Support your voters or resign. Better still, get Chairman Brown to call an immediate election.

the old eastern block was more democratiic than most off the world, the president was elected our queen is not, the kremlin was elected, the house of lords is not, both lower levels of parliament are elected, so was more democratic.

People of Itchen, do yourselves and the country as a whole a favour and vote for Royston Smith.

Denham is a Labour MP and therefore will not allow referanda on this or any other IMPORTANT issues. Why? Because they know that the results won't fit in with their Great Plan. On election day, vote in someone who is prepared to listen to the people that voted for them. Gordon won't 'listen to the people' as long as the hole in his @ss points towards the ground.

Mexeman wrote:
Denham is a Labour MP and therefore will not allow referanda on this or any other IMPORTANT issues. Why? Because they know that the results won't fit in with their Great Plan. On election day, vote in someone who is prepared to listen to the people that voted for them. Gordon won't 'listen to the people' as long as the hole in his @ss points towards the ground.

What has this matter got to do with you?
You are not from an area that will be subject to the fluoridation. And John Denham is not your MP.
MYOB

steveeew wrote:

Mexeman wrote: Denham is a Labour MP and therefore will not allow referanda on this or any other IMPORTANT issues. Why? Because they know that the results won't fit in with their Great Plan. On election day, vote in someone who is prepared to listen to the people that voted for them. Gordon won't 'listen to the people' as long as the hole in his @ss points towards the ground.

What has this matter got to do with you? You are not from an area that will be subject to the fluoridation. And John Denham is not your MP. MYOB

Forgive me, I didn't realise that you can only comment on subjects where you reside. Bear in mind that IF flouridisation is allowed in Denhams constituency it may become an issue in MY area.

in this day and age is there a filter we can fit to our taps

Mexeman wrote:
Denham is a Labour MP and therefore will not allow referanda on this or any other IMPORTANT issues. Why? Because they know that the results won't fit in with their Great Plan. On election day, vote in someone who is prepared to listen to the people that voted for them. Gordon won't 'listen to the people' as long as the hole in his @ss points towards the ground.

the only party that will listen to the ordinary is the socialist party, no others will. tell them what you think should be done, give them your ideas.

Easy, The people of Southampton refuse to pay their water bill!

Put the flouridisation issue to one side.

What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like.

Bins emptied fortnightly

Stormtroopers

White lines down the middle of a road.

You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something.
Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on.

And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

The Grey Mystery wrote:
in this day and age is there a filter we can fit to our taps

Filters will not filter out fluoride, you'll bathe in it, restaurants you eat in will use the water etc..

John Denham needs to stop dodging the issue and come up with a viable alternative, his bit reads as though we will all just change our minds.
We need democracy in this country, just voting at elections and then letting them do years of untold damage behind our backs is not democracy, whilst waiting for the chance to vote in an equally corrupt lot to do the same again.
Check out a new organisation called 38degrees.org (people power)

Lone Ranger wrote:
Put the flouridisation issue to one side.

What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like.

Bins emptied fortnightly

Stormtroopers

White lines down the middle of a road.

You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something.
Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on.

And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public.

Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

There you go,there's
your wonderful Mr
Denham for you.
He's not listening
to anyone, he's not
interested in anyone's views, he
just doesn't give a
toss about anything
other than protecting
his own ****,hey don't
be suprised,he's part
of this awful Labour
Government and we all know what they stand for don't we.
Say one thing and do the opposite.
Well, just vote him out when the time comes,he can be got rid of just like
fluoride. They both
leave a nasty taste in the mouth don't
they.

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt
on

You silly little person

My comments were not political

My comments were not about flouride

My comments were about referendums.

You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt

on

You silly little person

My comments were not political

My comments were not about flouride

My comments were about referendums.

You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you?

You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe.

If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject?

Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt on You silly little person My comments were not political My comments were not about flouride My comments were about referendums. You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you? You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe. If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject? Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

You are really looking silly now !!

My post was about referendums.

Not politics

Not flouride

Which part of this dont you understand?

I presume John Denham either doesn't ming being poisoned, or doesn't mind being on the Dole in a few months time.....Check out his Website, you can e-mail him & also tell him who you're going to vote for at the next Election johndenham.org.uk

John Denham has now lost my family's votes over this.

He is supposed to be our representative but has failed us.

So John Denhams Echo Man is back again?

John Denham in his career has mentioned referrendums before so why not on this issue?

fact is the government are ducking the question

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt on You silly little person My comments were not political My comments were not about flouride My comments were about referendums. You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you? You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe. If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject? Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

You are really looking silly now !!

My post was about referendums.

Not politics

Not flouride

Which part of this dont you understand?

I understand your point and your blind backing of your boss. You are using the fact that referendums should not be used for every issue and I agree. However, when people feel sufficiently strongly about an issue, a fear of losing a referendum should not be an excuse for not holding one. People in Southampton want a referendum on Flouride and if our MP was slightly more attached to the people he represents he would understand this.

Your boss and his party promised us a referendum on Europe at the last general election... Where is it?

So in the last week my little cyber warrior friend you have defended your Mr Denham for:

1) Shamefully Disrespecting our brave military personnel and

2) Disrespecting and disregarding the views of his constituents on whether they feel flouride should be added to our water.

Poor stuff. Perhaps you should develop a few views of your own.

Get rid of Denham.
Get rid of Denham.
Get rid of Denham.
He is supposed to
represent the peoples
views, then act upon
those views.
If he won't do this
get someone who will.
Get rid of Denham once and for all.

These politicians need a reminder that they are supposed to be representing the people, not making every single decision for us and not allowing us to decide what we want and do not want.

will denham`s family be getting flouride in their water

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt on You silly little person My comments were not political My comments were not about flouride My comments were about referendums. You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you? You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe. If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject? Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

You are really looking silly now !! My post was about referendums. Not politics Not flouride Which part of this dont you understand?

I understand your point and your blind backing of your boss. You are using the fact that referendums should not be used for every issue and I agree. However, when people feel sufficiently strongly about an issue, a fear of losing a referendum should not be an excuse for not holding one. People in Southampton want a referendum on Flouride and if our MP was slightly more attached to the people he represents he would understand this. Your boss and his party promised us a referendum on Europe at the last general election... Where is it? So in the last week my little cyber warrior friend you have defended your Mr Denham for: 1) Shamefully Disrespecting our brave military personnel and 2) Disrespecting and disregarding the views of his constituents on whether they feel flouride should be added to our water. Poor stuff. Perhaps you should develop a few views of your own.

Its strange you know but you have all the traits of a City Councillor or one of his office juniors.

May i suggest, after informing you of my non political position, that it is indeed you that has the involvement with the office of someone who will stand at the next General Election.

Looking at your posts not one of them offers any criticsm of the Southampton Tory Council or its stance on political issues and decisions.

In addition its difficult to find anything, apart from defending Tories, that you comment on.

I would therefore suggest that it is you that is in the thick of a political party,

Unlike you my comments were non political.

And the views are all my own unlike some Tory puppet.

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt on You silly little person My comments were not political My comments were not about flouride My comments were about referendums. You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you? You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe. If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject? Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

You are really looking silly now !! My post was about referendums. Not politics Not flouride Which part of this dont you understand?

I understand your point and your blind backing of your boss. You are using the fact that referendums should not be used for every issue and I agree. However, when people feel sufficiently strongly about an issue, a fear of losing a referendum should not be an excuse for not holding one. People in Southampton want a referendum on Flouride and if our MP was slightly more attached to the people he represents he would understand this. Your boss and his party promised us a referendum on Europe at the last general election... Where is it? So in the last week my little cyber warrior friend you have defended your Mr Denham for: 1) Shamefully Disrespecting our brave military personnel and 2) Disrespecting and disregarding the views of his constituents on whether they feel flouride should be added to our water. Poor stuff. Perhaps you should develop a few views of your own.

Its strange you know but you have all the traits of a City Councillor or one of his office juniors.

May i suggest, after informing you of my non political position, that it is indeed you that has the involvement with the office of someone who will stand at the next General Election.

Looking at your posts not one of them offers any criticsm of the Southampton Tory Council or its stance on political issues and decisions.

In addition its difficult to find anything, apart from defending Tories, that you comment on.

I would therefore suggest that it is you that is in the thick of a political party,

Unlike you my comments were non political.

And the views are all my own unlike some Tory puppet.

You defend John Denham for disrespecting the military and you defend John Denham for disrespecting his constituents. Who, other than one of his lackeys, would be able to defend his position on these two positions without feeling more than a little bit stupid.

Your point on referendums was designed to make Mr Denham's dismissive attitude seem acceptable, it isn't.

As for my position, and perhaps this may open your eyes to why people are so hacked off with your pitiful bunch, it is one of frustration. I do not work for your political opponents and I find it amusing that you suggest that anyone who disagrees with you does - the Tories must have 80% of the country working for them at the moment if this is the case. In fact if you had read my comments you wouldn't find praise of the Conservatives, just criticism of my local MP who disrespects my former forces colleagues and ignores his electorate over flouride. If the City council does something that displeases me, rest assured you will see my wrath on these pages.

Perhaps your time would be better spent damp proofing Mr Denham's bathroom rather than making the taxpayer fork out over £2K for the privilege. No wonder the Labour Party is so short of funding when they have to fork out for cyber warriors to use the internet to come out with this drivel.

Your argument plays like this:
'I don't work for the Labour Party but I defend anything they say, you work for the tories though because you disagree with me' - Sir, you are a child.

Funny how history repeats itself. Before the 92 election Chris Chope was caught up in the Twyford Down protests as a jr transport minister. Chope narrowly lost to Denham, although thankfully enough people had the sense to deny Kinnock victory. Denham should learn from this if he wants to keep his seat.

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Put the flouridisation issue to one side. What are you going to do have a referendum on everything that the tax payer doesnt like. Bins emptied fortnightly Stormtroopers White lines down the middle of a road. You cant always have a referendum just because some people, or half of them dont like something. Yes complain, demonstare or vote for the party that doesnt give you this at the next elections, local or national,petition but a referendum every time is not on. And who decides what to have a referendum about ?

Excellent, now we know John Denham's staff's position on listening to the will of the public. Lone Ranger can you call across the office and ask Mr Denham why we haven't had the Referendum on the EU constitution that his Government promised in their manifesto at the last election. Is the public's opinion on that issue as unimportant to your party as flouride obviously is?

Oh senselessofsouthampt on You silly little person My comments were not political My comments were not about flouride My comments were about referendums. You must learn to read properly and stop making yourself look silly with rants like this

You can't make a point without being abusive can you? You were supporting our MP's stance that our views on flouride don't matter. I contend that they do. You are extremely blinkered. Not everything Mr Denham says needs to be supported by you, even if you do work for him. If a referendum would go against anything your boss agrees with then he is against holding them e.g. flouride and Europe. If Mr Denham is so convinced of the benefits of flouride then what would be the problem with holding a referendum on the subject? Again, a reply without any mindless personal abuse would be appreciated if not expected.

You are really looking silly now !! My post was about referendums. Not politics Not flouride Which part of this dont you understand?

I understand your point and your blind backing of your boss. You are using the fact that referendums should not be used for every issue and I agree. However, when people feel sufficiently strongly about an issue, a fear of losing a referendum should not be an excuse for not holding one. People in Southampton want a referendum on Flouride and if our MP was slightly more attached to the people he represents he would understand this. Your boss and his party promised us a referendum on Europe at the last general election... Where is it? So in the last week my little cyber warrior friend you have defended your Mr Denham for: 1) Shamefully Disrespecting our brave military personnel and 2) Disrespecting and disregarding the views of his constituents on whether they feel flouride should be added to our water. Poor stuff. Perhaps you should develop a few views of your own.

Its strange you know but you have all the traits of a City Councillor or one of his office juniors. May i suggest, after informing you of my non political position, that it is indeed you that has the involvement with the office of someone who will stand at the next General Election. Looking at your posts not one of them offers any criticsm of the Southampton Tory Council or its stance on political issues and decisions. In addition its difficult to find anything, apart from defending Tories, that you comment on. I would therefore suggest that it is you that is in the thick of a political party, Unlike you my comments were non political. And the views are all my own unlike some Tory puppet.

You defend John Denham for disrespecting the military and you defend John Denham for disrespecting his constituents. Who, other than one of his lackeys, would be able to defend his position on these two positions without feeling more than a little bit stupid. Your point on referendums was designed to make Mr Denham's dismissive attitude seem acceptable, it isn't. As for my position, and perhaps this may open your eyes to why people are so hacked off with your pitiful bunch, it is one of frustration. I do not work for your political opponents and I find it amusing that you suggest that anyone who disagrees with you does - the Tories must have 80% of the country working for them at the moment if this is the case. In fact if you had read my comments you wouldn't find praise of the Conservatives, just criticism of my local MP who disrespects my former forces colleagues and ignores his electorate over flouride. If the City council does something that displeases me, rest assured you will see my wrath on these pages. Perhaps your time would be better spent damp proofing Mr Denham's bathroom rather than making the taxpayer fork out over £2K for the privilege. No wonder the Labour Party is so short of funding when they have to fork out for cyber warriors to use the internet to come out with this drivel. Your argument plays like this: 'I don't work for the Labour Party but I defend anything they say, you work for the tories though because you disagree with me' - Sir, you are a child.

But not quite pathetic as yourself-Sir

I love all this stuff. It reminds me of all the lefties at school. They couldn't accept they were ever wrong- like Denham and Brown, yet growing up in the 80's no one voted for them.

The council leader is in favour of fluoridation but he lives outside the zone, it's easy to make decisions when you aren't affected yourself