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10:40am Wednesday 22nd July 2009
A ONE legged metal fan, who beat up another rocker at Alice Cooper concert at Southampton Guildhall, was today spared an immediate prison sentence.
Jurors heard how Andrew Miller, 46, sat bare chested and removed his artificial leg emblazoned with the motif of the music legend in the front row of the balcony.
Andrew Miller leaving court in Southampton today.
But violence flared during the support act when John Lynch complained he was encroaching on his seat as they sat next to each other. Fearing trouble might erupt, his wife suggested they should leave but Miller grabbed him and punched him several times on the head and face.
The city crown court was told Mr Lynch was taken to hospital suffering from a cut wrist and facial bruising.
Miller, of Southbourne, West Sussex, denied causing actual bodily harm, claiming he was in considerable pain and removed his artificial leg, putting the stump and his other leg on the balcony to avoid suffering a thrombosis.
He maintained he had only punched Mr Lynch because he feared he would fall over the balcony.
Imposing a 36 weeks suspended sentence coupled with 18 months supervision because of his epilepsy, Judge John Boggis QC today told him: "It is perfectly clear you were making an exhibition and making a nuisance of yourself. You took your prosthetic leg off and were waving it at those behind you. You were spreading yourself around."
Miller was also told to observe a three month curfew and pay £250 compensation whose evening, said the judge, had been "ruined."
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
11:49am Wed 22 Jul 09
St.DaveH wrote:I giggled when I read 'suspended' sentence given that he was waving one leg around!
Pull the other one.....
Ozmosis, Southampton says...
11:59am Wed 22 Jul 09
Hazle Nutt, teh tintenet says...
12:08pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Hazle Nutt, teh tintenet says...
12:14pm Wed 22 Jul 09
King Mush, Woolston says...
12:18pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Miles Way, Canada says...
1:41pm Wed 22 Jul 09
COOPER PIKEY, Coxford says...
2:27pm Wed 22 Jul 09
St.DaveH, Southampton says...
2:31pm Wed 22 Jul 09
St.DaveH, Southampton says...
2:33pm Wed 22 Jul 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Apparantley when trying to escape he was found running round in cicles....
St.DaveH wrote: Pull the other one.....I giggled when I read 'suspended' sentence given that he was waving one leg around! What an idiot!
Redback, Southampton says...
3:05pm Wed 22 Jul 09
St.DaveH, Southampton says...
3:08pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:You've gone out on a limb havn't you...
He may have been found guilty of ABH, but that's absolutely no excuse for some of the offensive comments above.
Redback, Southampton says...
3:26pm Wed 22 Jul 09
King Mush, Woolston says...
3:33pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:OK I hold my hands up and admit to a silly post.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee. Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it. It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing. Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Burton Saint, Christchurch says...
3:36pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Reality-man, Southampton says...
3:50pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Hazle Nutt wrote:It's not a new dance it's called the hokey-cokey.....You put your left leg in, your left leg out, your left leg in then you swing it all about........
"You took your prosthetic leg off and were waving it at those behind you. You were spreading yourself around." This sounds like the makings of a new dance craze!
Redback, Southampton says...
4:39pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
Burton Saint, Christchurch says...
5:10pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
St.DaveH, Southampton says...
5:19pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback, Southampton says...
6:24pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Saints Mike, Southampton says...
6:51pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Redback, Southampton says...
7:02pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Saints Mike wrote:Reasoned response Saints - but I'm not concerned for this particular individual. It's the effect these word have on OTHER amputees that's the case in point. Many of whom lost a limb in service.
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Frankly he deserves to be ridiculed for wearing such dodgey clothes to court.
People will always have a bit of fun at someone else's expense, it doesn't make them bad people.
Saints Mike, Southampton says...
7:15pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:Redback, Point taken but knowing many ex forces personnel as I do who have lost limbs, their sense of humour kept them going in times of real heartache for them and their families...
Saints Mike wrote:Reasoned response Saints - but I'm not concerned for this particular individual. It's the effect these word have on OTHER amputees that's the case in point. Many of whom lost a limb in service.
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Frankly he deserves to be ridiculed for wearing such dodgey clothes to court.
People will always have a bit of fun at someone else's expense, it doesn't make them bad people.
One minute Echo commenters are up in arms for the Tigers, the next they're taking the p*** out of people who have lost a limb.
You see the connection?
Welcome home boys! What - you lost a leg in Helmand? Ha ha ha!!!
It makes no sense.
Redback, Southampton says...
7:33pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Saints Mike wrote:Yep, I appreciate that. But that's the perogative of those affected, not the able bodied.
Redback wrote:Redback, Point taken but knowing many ex forces personnel as I do who have lost limbs, their sense of humour kept them going in times of real heartache for them and their families...
Saints Mike wrote:Reasoned response Saints - but I'm not concerned for this particular individual. It's the effect these word have on OTHER amputees that's the case in point. Many of whom lost a limb in service.
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Frankly he deserves to be ridiculed for wearing such dodgey clothes to court.
People will always have a bit of fun at someone else's expense, it doesn't make them bad people.
One minute Echo commenters are up in arms for the Tigers, the next they're taking the p*** out of people who have lost a limb.
You see the connection?
Welcome home boys! What - you lost a leg in Helmand? Ha ha ha!!!
It makes no sense.
A joke from the my days in the army,
I wounded soldier shouts to his comrades, I've lost my leg, the reply from his mate is, Oh no you haven't it's over here...this was told many times on the wards of the military hospital Woolich, every man jack present laughed at this, even those who had lost their leg/legs... Disabled squaddies don't need defending..they would probably be laughing at this fool..
Saints Mike, Southampton says...
7:41pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Redback wrote:Redbuck,
Saints Mike wrote:Yep, I appreciate that. But that's the perogative of those affected, not the able bodied.
Redback wrote:Redback, Point taken but knowing many ex forces personnel as I do who have lost limbs, their sense of humour kept them going in times of real heartache for them and their families...
Saints Mike wrote:Reasoned response Saints - but I'm not concerned for this particular individual. It's the effect these word have on OTHER amputees that's the case in point. Many of whom lost a limb in service.
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Frankly he deserves to be ridiculed for wearing such dodgey clothes to court.
People will always have a bit of fun at someone else's expense, it doesn't make them bad people.
One minute Echo commenters are up in arms for the Tigers, the next they're taking the p*** out of people who have lost a limb.
You see the connection?
Welcome home boys! What - you lost a leg in Helmand? Ha ha ha!!!
It makes no sense.
A joke from the my days in the army,
I wounded soldier shouts to his comrades, I've lost my leg, the reply from his mate is, Oh no you haven't it's over here...this was told many times on the wards of the military hospital Woolich, every man jack present laughed at this, even those who had lost their leg/legs... Disabled squaddies don't need defending..they would probably be laughing at this fool..
It's very much akin to the way certain sections of the black community have reclaimed the N word. It doesn't make it okay for me (as a white man) to post comments about "N*****s".
Redback, Southampton says...
7:48pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Saints Mike wrote:Yep - best we leave it before it tangentialises into something completely different. I have to admit I quite liked your squaddie joke.
Redback wrote:Redbuck,
Saints Mike wrote:Yep, I appreciate that. But that's the perogative of those affected, not the able bodied.
Redback wrote:Redback, Point taken but knowing many ex forces personnel as I do who have lost limbs, their sense of humour kept them going in times of real heartache for them and their families...
Saints Mike wrote:Reasoned response Saints - but I'm not concerned for this particular individual. It's the effect these word have on OTHER amputees that's the case in point. Many of whom lost a limb in service.
Redback wrote:Redback, you need to lighten up a touch, this man showed no sensitivity when waving his false leg around, what about the victim he punched and his wife who this disabled man scared witless.
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
Frankly he deserves to be ridiculed for wearing such dodgey clothes to court.
People will always have a bit of fun at someone else's expense, it doesn't make them bad people.
One minute Echo commenters are up in arms for the Tigers, the next they're taking the p*** out of people who have lost a limb.
You see the connection?
Welcome home boys! What - you lost a leg in Helmand? Ha ha ha!!!
It makes no sense.
A joke from the my days in the army,
I wounded soldier shouts to his comrades, I've lost my leg, the reply from his mate is, Oh no you haven't it's over here...this was told many times on the wards of the military hospital Woolich, every man jack present laughed at this, even those who had lost their leg/legs... Disabled squaddies don't need defending..they would probably be laughing at this fool..
It's very much akin to the way certain sections of the black community have reclaimed the N word. It doesn't make it okay for me (as a white man) to post comments about "N*****s".
Totally different subject altogether.
I think we've exhausted this subject.
Good debate though.
Cheers
King Mush, Woolston says...
7:50pm Wed 22 Jul 09
King Mush, Woolston says...
8:14pm Wed 22 Jul 09
King Mush, Woolston says...
8:14pm Wed 22 Jul 09
chunkybutt, dibden bay says...
8:50pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Reality-man, Southampton says...
9:00pm Wed 22 Jul 09
chunkybutt wrote:Mug
as someone who has lost both legs and a hand in combat, YES i do find these comments offensive. i can not call a n****r a n***er even though the actuall meaning meant a person who came from nigeria! i can not call a p**i a p**i even though most of them came from pakistan!BUT i can call a southampton supporter a b****y fool as that is stating the truth.
chunkybutt, dibden bay says...
10:36pm Wed 22 Jul 09
Reality-man wrote:CUP!
chunkybutt wrote: as someone who has lost both legs and a hand in combat, YES i do find these comments offensive. i can not call a n****r a n***er even though the actuall meaning meant a person who came from nigeria! i can not call a p**i a p**i even though most of them came from pakistan!BUT i can call a southampton supporter a b****y fool as that is stating the truth.Mug
Hazle Nutt, teh tintenet says...
7:49am Thu 23 Jul 09
Ozmosis, Southampton says...
8:08am Thu 23 Jul 09
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
8:21am Thu 23 Jul 09
Redback wrote:Plurrrrrlease get a sense of perspective here!! We're taking the mick out of him, as a individual who is a violent idiot. We all would never dream of walking up to someone in the street and abusing them because they had one limb - it doesn't bother us or them (and I know someone who had diabetes who had half their leg removed) that of course would be wrong....
Burton Saint wrote:Course you are. Am I?
Redback wrote:I am disabled you pompous a*rse and I KNOW what is offensive and what is not. WE don't need sanctimonious prats like you 'standing up' for us. We're more than capable of looking after ourselves.
Burton Saint wrote:Poking fun at yourself is the perogative of those individuals, not yours.
Redback wrote:Boring prig! All the disabled - sorry, differently abled - people I know have a wicked sense of humour and are most adept at poking fun at themselves.
Let's hope none of you ever end up an amputee.
Or if you do, I hope you have a dam good sense of humour about it.
It's not Miller I'm worried about, but there will be other people out thee reading these comments that won't find them very amusing.
Why am I suprised. Southampton's a haven for bigots of all types. Sensitivity towards the disabled is clearly an ask too far.
Get a life saddo - none of these comments are the least bit offensive.
King Mush's response is far more reasonable and measured, and makes you look an utter tw*t in comparison.
Who's a tw*t now?
Are you an amputee?
Can you speak for amputees?
If not, I suggest you stop speaking on behalf of all disabled people of all varieties.
"us", "we" - Oh my f*cking word. You tw*t.
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
8:45am Thu 23 Jul 09
chunkybutt wrote:funny how you just turned up, with appropriate disability at this point isn't it.... hmmmmm... wonder if you were put up to it? I guess we'll never know!
Reality-man wrote:CUP!
chunkybutt wrote: as someone who has lost both legs and a hand in combat, YES i do find these comments offensive. i can not call a n****r a n***er even though the actuall meaning meant a person who came from nigeria! i can not call a p**i a p**i even though most of them came from pakistan!BUT i can call a southampton supporter a b****y fool as that is stating the truth.Mug
PILLOCK!
WHAT the hell are you on reality man my ARSE
St.DaveH, Southampton says...
9:45am Thu 23 Jul 09
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St.DaveH, Southampton says...
11:26am Wed 22 Jul 09