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Councils' £1.5 billion pensions black hole

Hampshire County Council Hampshire County Council

PLUNGING stock markets have helped create an estimated £1.5 billion black hole in the pensions scheme for Hampshire council workers, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The deficit has rocketed after nearly £700m was wiped off the value of investments and £7.1m lost in jailed fraudster Bernard Madoff ’s swindle in the past year.

More than 46,000 workers and 27,000 pensioners – including care workers, dinner ladies and town hall officials – belong to Hampshire Pension Fund.

County bosses have stressed any losses will not affect the retirement benefits paid to staff.

But councils may need to pump more taxpayers’ money into the local government pensions scheme if markets do not recover.

This will add to the £150m bill for pensions in 2008 already, equivalent to £215 for each of the county’s 700,000 households.

Nine council bosses have accumulated gold-plated pension pots worth more than £1m.

Figures from the last formal valuation in 2007 have already shown a £891m shortfall between assets and liabilities.

Now pensions chiefs have admitted the stock market slide since then will have increased the gap between what the fund is worth and what it will have to pay out in future.

The scheme includes staff who work for Hampshire County Council, 11 district councils, Southampton and Portsmouth Councils as well as civilian workers at the police and fire authorities.

County council annual accounts show its pensions deficit alone rocketed to £727.6m in 2008/9, compared with £440m the previous year – a rise of 65 per cent in one year.

County council employees account for just under half (45 per cent) of the total membership of the Hampshire Pension Fund.

This suggests the total pensions scheme deficit could have nearly doubled to £1.6 billion.

The next three-yearly formal valuation of the pension fund is due in March 2010.

Councillors on the pensions panel will then decide if employer contributions – the amount paid in largely by taxpayers – should rise further.

The pensions panel is responsible for making sure the fund can meet its current and future liabilities.

In a report to the panel, county treasurer Jon Pittam said: “As conditions currently stand following the global financial crisis, the pension fund’s position has worsened and it is possible that employer contributions rates will have to rise over the three years from 2011/12.”

When the last valuation showed a £891m deficit in 2007, pension chiefs hiked employer contributions to 18 per cent of an individual’s pay in 2009, rising to 19 per cent next year.

This means that a council employee on £25,000 will see £4,750 contributed to their fund from the taxpayer.

By comparison, staff pay an average 6.3 per cent of their pay toward their pension – a level set by Government.

Speaking at a meeting of the pension fund panel, chairman Councillor Mark Kemp-Gee, said if taxpayer contributions exceeded 20 per cent it could be a “psychological”

barrier and public relations might be an issue.

Cllr Kemp-Gee added he was hopeful the stock market will recover and the pension fund increase in value.

He said more money was currently flowing into the fund than paid out – and a surplus will continue at least ten years.

Mr Kemp-Gee said: “It is not necessarily a foregone conclusion that we will have to ask taxpayers for more contributions.We will wait for the valuation and respond to the advice of the Government actuary.”

Pension payments cost the county council £57.9m in 2008-9, up £6m on the previous year.

County officials say £30m came from central government funding, including business rates, £10m from fees and charges and £18m from council tax – a total of £58m.

But Mike Schofield, of anticouncil tax group IsItFair, said: “It is all taxpayers’ money. It doesn’t matter which pot it comes from. If Government funds are used to pay council pensions, that means less money for services which then have to be paid for with council tax.

“Taxpayers are already paying three times as much as employees for council pensions.

“It is just not right.”

The annual county council accounts does not calculate the Hampshire Pension Fund deficit for 2008, but does say the value of investments in the pension scheme plunged by £687m, reducing the value of the fund to £2.39 billion.

It also said there was £65m surplus of contributions over benefits paid in the year. In 2008/9 employers contributed £152.3m and employees £54.5m.

As a final salary scheme, Hampshire Pension Fund guarantees to pay a fixed retirement income based on length of service and earnings. Pension pots are not reduced by the fall in share prices.

While this is good news for council staff, it puts more pressure on the pension fund as share prices perform poorly and people live longer.

Most private companies have closed final salary schemes to new members because of the spiralling costs.

Council chiefs say the average pension last year, including parttime employees, was £3,900 a year.

In addition to the local authorities, staff from the University of Portsmouth and Southampton Solent University plus dozens of smaller bodies and charities are also included in the fund.

In 2007/8, some 46,220 people were paying into the scheme with 27,387 former workers already drawing a pension and 30,013 deferred pensioners.

■ Teachers belong to a separate pensions scheme run by the Department for Children, Schools and Families.

Pension payments for teachers at county council-run schools cost taxpayers £48.7m in 2008, according to the annual accounts.

Teacher pensions are funded by a Government grant except for early retirements when councils pick up part of the bill.

Employer contributions were 14 per cent of a teacher’s pay in 2008/9.

See today's paper for more on this story

Comments(19)

Lone Ranger says...
11:40am Thu 23 Jul 09

I dont have one problem with people like the care workers, dinner ladies, grave diggers and the like from having some of my money contributing towards their pension.

But i detest even 1p of my hard earned cash paying further into a pension fund for a bunch of hypocrites and paracites in these bumped up council positions and town halls.

goard says...
12:05pm Thu 23 Jul 09

What a mess! and we supposedly have 'experts' running this show. I reckon that the lower order of governance is controlled by even more 'expert' people in Government and their quangos. Take their allowances away and it would pay for half of the deficits in the pension black hole. ALSO, how not to treat one's employees who have given their life and skills and relied on those governing our Country. I would have thought pension money is sacro sanc, but I just see the whole picture - put our money with a man with a big mouth, Mr. Madoff. I question their ability to run this Country and the despair of millions of employees.

goard

Tony S says...
12:05pm Thu 23 Jul 09

My pension has been frozen after intervention by the government. Not a panny more should bbe added to thier pot untill pension reform has beeen applied to thier pensions too. I cannot afford thier genoerous pension out of my reduced pension.

heapocalorie says...
1:24pm Thu 23 Jul 09

Why o why have tax payers got to bail out a pension fund. Iwas a member of a failed final salary scheme with one of my last employers and lost over £100K and had to make other arrangements for myself. Why is this fund special it must be a monopoly

saintnick65 says...
1:36pm Thu 23 Jul 09

What an outrage who do these council bosses think they are.
These people should try working in the private sector i.e.the real world

IOwnTheLetterO says...
1:48pm Thu 23 Jul 09

As a 'grunt' in a local authority this is worrying news. I pay into this scheme and by the time I'm old enough to retire there probably won't even be a state pension. All pensions should be sacred as mentioned above. Not everybody can save enough to support themselves in the future so rely on pensions to survive. The government let this financial mess happen they should secure all pensions.

Oracle1 says...
2:04pm Thu 23 Jul 09

Government legislation called FRS 17 has been a huge cause of final salary difficulties. Yes, investment markets are down which also creates the deficit. I too do not object to key workers but do to the free loading nothing jobs. This government has put a strain on the situation by making the civil service one of the huge labour industries over the years.

long memory says...
2:19pm Thu 23 Jul 09

saintnick65 wrote:
What an outrage who do these council bosses think they are. These people should try working in the private sector i.e.the real world
I could'nt agree more Saintnick.
I have seen this coming for years that the public sector pensions are totally unsustainable, and the government should have done something about it years ago,but politicians are public sector, and "TURKEYS DON'T VOTE FOR XMAS", so nothing has been done,but in the mean time Mr Brown and his cronies, tell the private sector they will have to work until they are 67+ so public sector can retire at 60.
I have been self employed for 26 years and payed into my own personal policy, only to see almost half of it disappear,government
s reaction to my plight,TOUGH.So how come that public sector pensions are "bomb proof, And 24 carat gold plated, and people who are self employed can "take a running jump".If something is not done about this crisis,this country will go bankrupt.
Wake up you private sector people out there, protest before it is to late, you have been warned.

saintnick65 says...
2:57pm Thu 23 Jul 09

long memory wrote:
saintnick65 wrote: What an outrage who do these council bosses think they are. These people should try working in the private sector i.e.the real world
I could'nt agree more Saintnick. I have seen this coming for years that the public sector pensions are totally unsustainable, and the government should have done something about it years ago,but politicians are public sector, and "TURKEYS DON'T VOTE FOR XMAS", so nothing has been done,but in the mean time Mr Brown and his cronies, tell the private sector they will have to work until they are 67+ so public sector can retire at 60. I have been self employed for 26 years and payed into my own personal policy, only to see almost half of it disappear,government s reaction to my plight,TOUGH.So how come that public sector pensions are "bomb proof, And 24 carat gold plated, and people who are self employed can "take a running jump".If something is not done about this crisis,this country will go bankrupt. Wake up you private sector people out there, protest before it is to late, you have been warned.
You and me come from the same pod my private pension is worth less than a turkey for xmas perhaps the public sector will have to work till they are 67+ sob sob

Oracle1 says...
5:17pm Thu 23 Jul 09

saintnick65 wrote:
long memory wrote:
saintnick65 wrote: What an outrage who do these council bosses think they are. These people should try working in the private sector i.e.the real world
I could'nt agree more Saintnick. I have seen this coming for years that the public sector pensions are totally unsustainable, and the government should have done something about it years ago,but politicians are public sector, and "TURKEYS DON'T VOTE FOR XMAS", so nothing has been done,but in the mean time Mr Brown and his cronies, tell the private sector they will have to work until they are 67+ so public sector can retire at 60. I have been self employed for 26 years and payed into my own personal policy, only to see almost half of it disappear,government s reaction to my plight,TOUGH.So how come that public sector pensions are "bomb proof, And 24 carat gold plated, and people who are self employed can "take a running jump".If something is not done about this crisis,this country will go bankrupt. Wake up you private sector people out there, protest before it is to late, you have been warned.
You and me come from the same pod my private pension is worth less than a turkey for xmas perhaps the public sector will have to work till they are 67+ sob sob
Saintnick65,

Perhaps you should get your adviser to look at an alternative fund selection. Risk profiles of people change over time, I see too many invested in equities only, no other asset classes.

Oracle1 says...
7:24pm Thu 23 Jul 09

Saintnick65

Thanks, mine is Ok, I have used all the asset classes, still lost money but not as much as I could have done.

chunkybutt says...
9:08pm Thu 23 Jul 09

pc fuge says I AM INVESTIGATING THIS but not too closely as they pay my wages, and i didnt go to school with any of their relatives.

long memory says...
9:30pm Thu 23 Jul 09

I cannot beleive that such an important issue as peoples pensions has such a pathetic response,it either means that most people that read the ECHO are public sector/civil servants,or the rest of the readers are your normal apathetic Brit, more interested in soap opera's/reality tv and all those other educational programmes.Fiddle while Rome burns springs to mind.

whelk says...
10:12pm Thu 23 Jul 09

usual right wing crap from tax payers alliance. how dare the poor council workers get a pension funded by the taxpayers?
real world ie private sector? churned out evry article on public sector and mentioned with gold plated pensions. We are talking dinner ladies, teachers and surely they should starve when they retire. how dare they have a pension?
how thick are you all.
Echo circulation is non existent these days and they desrve it with populist crap that they churn out

whelk says...
10:16pm Thu 23 Jul 09

oh and how long until you retract on teh article and your figures prove to be garbage.
i vaguely remember something similar in past on pensions story but hey dont let the facts get in way for a good fascist quote about vfm , taxes and the private sector.
not even sure why i am getting wound up with such dikheads!

Vonnie says...
10:51pm Thu 23 Jul 09

You are getting wound up for the same reason that I am, Whelk. Total ignorance by some of the contributers on this forum. Why should dustmen, housing and other office clerks, town sergeants, gallery and museum attendants, crossing patrol people, dinner ladies, cooks, carers, cleaners, artisans like plumbers and electricians, or any one of the hundreds of ordinary people who work for the Council and pay in to a pension scheme, actually have a pension at the end of it?
What some of the morons above seem to forget is that these people make up the majority of those entitled to a Local Authority Pension, not the high flyers. Incidentally, for those who are not aware of it, Local Authority Pension Schemes are completely separate from National Civil Service Pensions. They are not the same thing at all. So stop putting them all in the same basket.

paul fareham says...
8:55pm Tue 11 Aug 09

30% of council tax pays for their pensions. Make them pay for their own pensions - like I'd love to be able to do. Make them work 'til they're 70 - like we may have to and stop employing more & more people in useless non-jobs.
Sadly none of the main parties have the bottle to face this scandal.

paul fareham says...
9:04pm Tue 11 Aug 09

just read the molusc's posts and he sounds like most 18 year old idealists.
As a poorly paid "private sector fascist" I have to fund my own retirement. As if..
I can't afford to but am forced to pay for the binman's pension. I don't begrudge him a pension but we should be on a level playing field. In the meantime............
.. when you grow up, look after yourself & work for the council. I hear they are crying out for more diversity outreach consultants.

long memory says...
10:25pm Tue 11 Aug 09

Paul of fareham,you express my sentiments exactly,the sooner we get rid of the majority of public servants,(parasites)
the better for all of us.
You emphasized exactly what I was trying to say,but"whelk" did not understand,isn't the whelk in the Limpet family,I rest my case

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