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Thornhill project under threat
7:20am Friday 31st July 2009 in
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- By Matt Smith » Politics and business reporter
A FLAGSHIP housing project that would see part of a Southampton estate bulldozed has been dealt a blow after the Government slashed its funding.
Almost £2m of funding towards a scheme to knock down part of the Thornhill estate to build new shops and more than 100 homes is now uncertain.
Housing minister John Healey unexpectedly announced the cut just days before Southampton City Council appointed Barratt and First Wessex to carry out the £14m Hinkler Parade regeneration project.
Hinkler Parade was due to get £1.9m next year from a £9.4m fund for housing growth in south Hampshire, which has been cut to £5.3m. Other projects in Gosport and Portsmouth were also due to get a slice of the cash.
Fareham council leader Sean Woodward, chairman of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire (PUSH) which hands out the cash, said: “It will potentially kill off these projects. The whole vision of PUSH is targeted for the regeneration of Southampton and Portsmouth. This is a kick in the teeth.
“I am particularly disappointed that the secretary of state, Southampton MP John Denham, has not recognised the importance of Government funding support for our ambitious plans to tackle the provision of housing, employment and infrastructure in south Hampshire.”
Southampton City Council finance spokesman Councillor Jeremy Moulton said: “South-ampton is having to take thousands of new homes yet our local MP is slashing the essential funding to provide the infrastructure to support them.”
A decision on which PUSH projects will have their funding cut will be made in November.
Meanwhile Mr Healey has invited councils across the country to bid for cash from a £1.5 billion fund to build 20,000 new affordable homes over this year and next.
Comments(31)
mick sterbs
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7:58am Fri 31 Jul 09
we have no democracy, look at Ireland. they voted no to europe so the european union wait a couple of years and then make tham vote again until they like the answer.
like all MP's once they are in parliament they forget who they were voted in by and who they are meant to support. Party politics is king over locals. should get a chance to show your displeasure next year.
Grumpy San
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8:14am Fri 31 Jul 09
Supports projects his constituants don't want ? (fluoride in our
water) YES.
We know who we DON'T want as our next MP
AndyAndrews
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8:36am Fri 31 Jul 09
school development to be built in Southampton, and every couple of weeks a development is postponed or abandoned. Little surprise then that I take news of any proposed new development with a pinch of salt.
Saints Mike
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9:04am Fri 31 Jul 09
I am a Thornhill resident and I know the council would not have paid residents to move out, if they were not certain it would happen.
allmove4ward2geva
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9:15am Fri 31 Jul 09
Huffybear
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9:47am Fri 31 Jul 09
Keith Oftergrass
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10:21am Fri 31 Jul 09
Saves money, gets rid of a slum area and creates a nice space ? Genius, even if I do say so myself.
HillsidePaul
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10:42am Fri 31 Jul 09
As saints mike said it is going ahead.
MrGMan
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11:56am Fri 31 Jul 09
Lone Ranger
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12:15pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan wrote:Hello MrGMan
Where is lone ranger when you need him?
Sorry i was absent as i was still laughing at some your posts from yesterday.
I dont work for an MP or any political party, but i do let it be known that i hate MY money being wasted by tin pot town hall officials.
Anyway other posters say this project is going to be completed so who am i to complain
So why the fuss
Lol
SW tape-shut
say no more
MrGMan
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12:28pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Saints Mike
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12:53pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Keith Oftergrass wrote:Agreed there is no need for the swearing, but if you knew what you were talking about Keith, allmove4ward2geva would not need to have responded the way they did.
allmove4ward2geva wrote:No need to be so rude young lady, I expect from your neanderthal response you are from this region ?
Keith Oftergrass wrote:F**K off you dinlo. Portswood aint all that either, oh actually must be good it has a bingo hall...
How about a compromise where the Thornhill estate is bulldozed but no further development takes place. Saves money, gets rid of a slum area and creates a nice space ? Genius, even if I do say so myself.
I think most people would agree that we coudl all do without Thronhill and it's residents.
If you intend to insult people from an area of Southampton then at least have the decency to spell it correctly, Thronhill is where?
You obviously have not seen Thornhill recently Keith, because if you crawled out from under rock once in while, you would know how many improvements have been made to the estate by the residents living there.
You may think all council estate residents are scum, but you very much mistaken,
The £1.9 million will be found from elsewhere, the council has invested too much money for it to go down the pan.
It will happen.
I live in Thornhill , and I'm proud to say I do.
Donald2000
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1:00pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Lone Ranger
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1:06pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan wrote:No i dont agree.
Well do you agree with the funding being cut by the government after it promised the money?
If the money was promised then it should be forthcoming.
Although the council could still sell a few more treasures from the art gallery to make up the shortfall if there is one.
Saints Mike
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1:07pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan wrote:The same any government, this is usual practice, regardless of who it is.
Well do you agree with the funding being cut by the government after it promised the money?
It's not the 1st time it's happened to good people of Thornhill, look at the fiasco with LSC and Itchen College,unfortunatly for the college they won't get outside funding for their development so I believe that will be scrapped, unlike this project.
Saints Mike
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1:23pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Keith Oftergrass wrote:What's the matter Keith? You seem to have gone a tad quiet, maybe it's because you have been embarrassed by one of the Thornhill scumbags?
How about a compromise where the Thornhill estate is bulldozed but no further development takes place.
Saves money, gets rid of a slum area and creates a nice space ? Genius, even if I do say so myself.
It's all gone quiet from the Keith, it's all gone quiet from the Keith , it's all gone quiet,it's all gone quiet, all gone quiet form the Keith...
Thornhill and proud of it.
allmove4ward2geva
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1:30pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Saints Mike wrote:Kieth I have lived in Thornhill for 26 years and I am very proud to say so. Mostof the residents there are very polite and harmless. Yes there is a brainless few but they are in the minority, and this applies to ALL areas.
Keith Oftergrass wrote:Agreed there is no need for the swearing, but if you knew what you were talking about Keith, allmove4ward2geva would not need to have responded the way they did. If you intend to insult people from an area of Southampton then at least have the decency to spell it correctly, Thronhill is where? You obviously have not seen Thornhill recently Keith, because if you crawled out from under rock once in while, you would know how many improvements have been made to the estate by the residents living there. You may think all council estate residents are scum, but you very much mistaken, The £1.9 million will be found from elsewhere, the council has invested too much money for it to go down the pan. It will happen. I live in Thornhill , and I'm proud to say I do.allmove4ward2geva wrote:No need to be so rude young lady, I expect from your neanderthal response you are from this region ? I think most people would agree that we coudl all do without Thronhill and it's residents.Keith Oftergrass wrote: How about a compromise where the Thornhill estate is bulldozed but no further development takes place. Saves money, gets rid of a slum area and creates a nice space ? Genius, even if I do say so myself.F**K off you dinlo. Portswood aint all that either, oh actually must be good it has a bingo hall...
People like you have obviously never been to the area and listen to the 'word' on the street.
It has been cleaned up a great deal, a lot of the bad eggs have moved to other areas, including Portswood.
Get your facts right before you come on here and spout your mouth off about us being in a slum.
I have a very good job in an important position for an international organisation and being from Thornhill has not made any difference to my progress.
Respect others and you will be respected was one of the first things i was taught, perhaps you need this lesson you lady.
Apologies for the outburst but this issue is something that is very close to my heart and I do not appreciate ignorant, immature and totally unfactual comments from jumped up people like yourself.
have a nice day
Finlay
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1:31pm Fri 31 Jul 09
This is a rehearsal for the Bargate redevelopment project
allmove4ward2geva
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1:34pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Saints Mike wrote:Thanks Mike, your approach was much better than my initial rant!!!
Keith Oftergrass wrote: How about a compromise where the Thornhill estate is bulldozed but no further development takes place. Saves money, gets rid of a slum area and creates a nice space ? Genius, even if I do say so myself.What's the matter Keith? You seem to have gone a tad quiet, maybe it's because you have been embarrassed by one of the Thornhill scumbags? It's all gone quiet from the Keith, it's all gone quiet from the Keith , it's all gone quiet,it's all gone quiet, all gone quiet form the Keith... Thornhill and proud of it.
MrGMan
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1:51pm Fri 31 Jul 09
Loneranger on another thread you are having a pop at the council for selling off art. Are you now saying it is ok to sell the art work off to pay for Hinkler parade?
binman1234
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2:04pm Fri 31 Jul 09
allmove4ward2geva
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2:08pm Fri 31 Jul 09
binman1234 wrote:jealousy will get you no where I am afraid
i would not give thornhill anything they are the first to get any thing form new kitchins ,,bathrooms new front doors toilets ,,,,,,they get a big grant no outer estate gets a grant ..........give them nouthing i wouldnt waist my money ,,,,,,
Lone Ranger
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2:19pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan wrote:NO its not ok to sell it.
Actually this government pulled the itchen college funding Saints Mike. Loneranger on another thread you are having a pop at the council for selling off art. Are you now saying it is ok to sell the art work off to pay for Hinkler parade?
I think the Tories will do their best to sell. Although i heard on the news last night that there could be a legal challenge.
Its a great shame that a City like ours does not have the full facility to show these works of art off more.
The other point raised was whether they could sell for their full market price during a recession.
Our silverware should not be sold off in this way. If we want a Titanic museum or whatever they must find another way.
How about ABP dipping in
Saints Mike
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2:38pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan wrote:If you knew anything about the LSC, which stands for the Learning and Skills Council, you would know they overspent in previous years, (granted it's government funding) that's why Ictchen was pulled along with colleges locally, they granted money then pulled due to the overspend, the LSC executive director resigned over the matter.
Actually this government pulled the itchen college funding Saints Mike.
Loneranger on another thread you are having a pop at the council for selling off art. Are you now saying it is ok to sell the art work off to pay for Hinkler parade?
How much money is coming from the council for this project? I can tell you not a great deal,
if you read on threads yesterday you would know I'm totally against the council selling off the cities treasure's for a museum regardless of which party is in control.
Saints Mike
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2:50pm Fri 31 Jul 09
binman1234 wrote:Sorry binman you are wrong, they actually Thornhill tenants got kitchens and bathrooms 2nd, the reason for this was investment by the NDC programme (7.5 million)
i would not give thornhill anything they are the first to get any thing form new kitchins ,,bathrooms new front doors toilets ,,,,,,they get a big grant no outer estate gets a grant ..........give them nouthing i wouldnt waist my money ,,,,,,
Why did Thornhill get regenration money in the first place, because resident and tenants submitted an application for it..And won ahead of Paulgroves...Yes I said residents and tenants did the hard work, (with some support from SCC)they got their behinds and did it themselves.
Many of the projects these residents and tenants put together are now being mainstreamed across the city.
If honestly believe the government gave the regeneration money to Thornhill because at that time it was nice place to live, bring up children and didn't lack local authority investment, then I believe you really need to think on.
MaxxieO
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3:06pm Fri 31 Jul 09
binman1234 wrote:Waisting your money? Is that a new way of saying piling on the pounds?
i would not give thornhill anything they are the first to get any thing form new kitchins ,,bathrooms new front doors toilets ,,,,,,they get a big grant no outer estate gets a grant ..........give them nouthing i wouldnt waist my money ,,,,,,
S-W West Want
allmove4ward2geva
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3:35pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MaxxieO wrote:not to mention forming KitchIns not from kitchens? and Outer Estates not Other or giving them nouthing!!!
binman1234 wrote: i would not give thornhill anything they are the first to get any thing form new kitchins ,,bathrooms new front doors toilets ,,,,,,they get a big grant no outer estate gets a grant ..........give them nouthing i wouldnt waist my money ,,,,,,Waisting your money? Is that a new way of saying piling on the pounds? S-W West Want
I would happily give up my kitchen for this guy to join the new school at thornhill
Condor Man
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5:01pm Fri 31 Jul 09
MrGMan
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4:18pm Sat 1 Aug 09
nosy parker
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7:45pm Sat 1 Aug 09
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