Southampton to get £50m to revive council estates (From Daily Echo)

The Echo is scaremongering again, when they say,

"However there is still a question mark hanging over £2m of the funding after the Government cut one of its budgets"

Almost everyone has moved out of the flats and the shops on Hinkler Parade, all have or will have been compensated for the being made to move or give their business's. contractors have been chosen to build the new houses, shops, and community facilities.

I'm not one to defend the council would they spend that much money on a white elephant, come on Echo, do what your supposed to do, report the facts,

I will say this, the redevelopment of Hinkler Parade will happen, the £2 million you mention has more than likely come in from somewhere else.

Can you go and do what journalists do, and find the story? if I know what is happening, then an organisation like the Echo must be able to find out.

it's good that there is redevelopment but it isn't going to make the residents any richer and consequently won't do much in the long term to improve the quality of those areas. Taking away shops will result in the loss of jobs, can estates afford for this to happen? The council should be looking for developers to include business start up units in these areas to assist in wealth creation, encouraging people to start their own businesses and putting money into their pockets at the same time.

Why are some people complaining about this? For crying out loud they're going to be given brand new houses and still some are not happy.

Alos, how ridiculous that some tenants will receive near on 2 grand to cover removal costs.....what a load of tosh! No wonder money's drying up in the council's coffers! I moved house with my family last month and it cost me a grand total of £50 that I gave to my Dad for helping me!!!!!

Saint Alan wrote:
Why are some people complaining about this? For crying out loud they're going to be given brand new houses and still some are not happy.

Alos, how ridiculous that some tenants will receive near on 2 grand to cover removal costs.....what a load of tosh! No wonder money's drying up in the council's coffers! I moved house with my family last month and it cost me a grand total of £50 that I gave to my Dad for helping me!!!!!

£2 grand, doesn't touch the sides.

In response to Condor Man

The plans for Hinkler Parade show 5 shops, 4 smaller one's for the small business's you mention and 1 larger, this will bring some jobs, some business opportunity, agreed not many of jobs, but if you work with the contractors to try and get local workers,on the site, it helps, then maybe a few quid goes into local community, there is also a new community building that will be shared with the housing office and library, so you get all your council and community services in one place.

I'm not defending the council, but the plan are good, redeveloping the Thornhill site can only be good for the local community.

Saints Mike wrote:
The Echo is scaremongering again, when they say,

"However there is still a question mark hanging over £2m of the funding after the Government cut one of its budgets"

Almost everyone has moved out of the flats and the shops on Hinkler Parade, all have or will have been compensated for the being made to move or give their business's. contractors have been chosen to build the new houses, shops, and community facilities.

I'm not one to defend the council would they spend that much money on a white elephant, come on Echo, do what your supposed to do, report the facts,

I will say this, the redevelopment of Hinkler Parade will happen, the £2 million you mention has more than likely come in from somewhere else.

Can you go and do what journalists do, and find the story? if I know what is happening, then an organisation like the Echo must be able to find out.

The Echo reporting facts and not supposition or anything similar? Maybe that's why the paper is as thin as a biscuit for the first 3 days of the week then.

These are minutely small sums of money. They are negligable compared to what other parts of the country devote to redevelopment. In Southampton we are being neglected. Just look around our streets and see the state they are in. It is no use saying "it's grim up north", but "it's even grimmer in our own city.

I wish they would knock down the flats at international way, they are not a suitable place to bring up a family. Single people would be better being housed here, freeing up the council properties with two or more bedrooms with only single tenant occupancy.

Saints Mike wrote:
The Echo is scaremongering again, when they say, "However there is still a question mark hanging over £2m of the funding after the Government cut one of its budgets" Almost everyone has moved out of the flats and the shops on Hinkler Parade, all have or will have been compensated for the being made to move or give their business's. contractors have been chosen to build the new houses, shops, and community facilities. I'm not one to defend the council would they spend that much money on a white elephant, come on Echo, do what your supposed to do, report the facts, I will say this, the redevelopment of Hinkler Parade will happen, the £2 million you mention has more than likely come in from somewhere else. Can you go and do what journalists do, and find the story? if I know what is happening, then an organisation like the Echo must be able to find out.

By posting that the development will be done because the money will come from "somewhere else" you are posting supposition. You are guessing. You are making things up.

As such, you are doing what you (wrongly) accuse the reporter of doing.

The £2m has been cut. No-one knows where any funds to replace it could be coming from - which means either there is none or no one is speaking.

That is not scaremongering. That is reporting an unpleasant fact that you do not like.

Some of these flats are privately owned.
How do you value a flat when those council owned around have been vandalised or poorly maintained.
I doubt they will be able to buy another home with the proceeds.

Saints Mike wrote:

Saint Alan wrote: Why are some people complaining about this? For crying out loud they're going to be given brand new houses and still some are not happy. Alos, how ridiculous that some tenants will receive near on 2 grand to cover removal costs.....what a load of tosh! No wonder money's drying up in the council's coffers! I moved house with my family last month and it cost me a grand total of £50 that I gave to my Dad for helping me!!!!!

£2 grand, doesn't touch the sides. In response to Condor Man The plans for Hinkler Parade show 5 shops, 4 smaller one's for the small business's you mention and 1 larger, this will bring some jobs, some business opportunity, agreed not many of jobs, but if you work with the contractors to try and get local workers,on the site, it helps, then maybe a few quid goes into local community, there is also a new community building that will be shared with the housing office and library, so you get all your council and community services in one place. I'm not defending the council, but the plan are good, redeveloping the Thornhill site can only be good for the local community.

Apart from a few low paid shop jobs do you think local residents will really benefit? Will local blokes be involved in the construction when there's a glut of people out there who are fully qualified as brickies, carpenters, scaffolders, plumbers and electricians.

Thornhill was too big as an estate, it's the size of Bitterne without any of the services. There are over 50 shops in Bitterne, 4 pubs, 4 churches, scouts and guides and BB/GB groups. Thornhill has a handful of shops, one pub now and a church. Call that a community for 10000 people?

Demolish the lot. Then take every hard working family and "TRULY DISABLED" and elderly person on the estates, and re-home them in good family homes and if need be, evict the lazy filth that refuse to work, to re-house the good families disabled and elderly, as they deserve a hand up............The rest of the bums, give them 3 months to find employment or stop their sponge money. If they can't find employment, give them the opportunity to work on the re-build of the estates being touted, including the single mothers ( put creches on site ) and every kid over 16 years of age that is out of college or work, put them to work aswell.............I
f they don't like it, they don't deserve it, let them sink..........

I would go along with an idea like R'N'Rs....any one on state benefit should have a way to work on this building project and in return get a small percentage share in their house. e.g. volunteer, 1 month's training, then at least 6 months' work to get a stake.

It would have to be properly policed to avoid abuse and the scamming something-for-nothin
g work shy layabouts trying to get one for free.

But this would give some people an opportunity if they are actually looking for one.

Otherwise...er, how come we're spending loads of taxpayers money on some 25yr old who hasn't kept her legs together? Hint: stop at the first one if you aren't supporting it yourself.

one of the real reasons why the council is thinking about this is. there be less council homes on there list, its another way of giving private development public owned land to build on,
last time i look cumbria way shopping centre and flats was all full.

southy wrote:
one of the real reasons why the council is thinking about this is. there be less council homes on there list, its another way of giving private development public owned land to build on, last time i look cumbria way shopping centre and flats was all full.

SCC offered tenants the chance to move over to a Housing Association (as Eastleigh did) and tenants rejected it. There's no future in council housing, the estates have failed because they are just greenhouses for social problems and the way forward is to integrate social housing into established suburban areas like Bitterne, Bitterne Park, Woolston, Shirley and Portswood. Forcing people out to peripheral estates like Thornhill and Millbrook has been a disaster as decent people are cut off and morons have the whip hand to spread misery.

BTW there are vacant shops in Cumbrian Way.

Condor Man, one day you learn what your talking about, it has nothing to do with social problems, its to do with giving land to the developers to build on, so they can be sold to privately owned or job lot sold to a private housing association, councils are still not allowed to build there own houses, unless the government say they can, like the few council homes they ar going to build on old lock up garages sites, but the torys have been looking at way to get round the no vote southampton gave them years ago, and this one of them, pull down council homes then sale the land for private developement.

oh rockandroll, soton to answer your Q yesterday. a year ago i was on about that cleric hook, thats is want he wants.

rockandroll wrote:
Demolish the lot. Then take every hard working family and "TRULY DISABLED" and elderly person on the estates, and re-home them in good family homes and if need be, evict the lazy filth that refuse to work, to re-house the good families disabled and elderly, as they deserve a hand up............The rest of the bums, give them 3 months to find employment or stop their sponge money. If they can't find employment, give them the opportunity to work on the re-build of the estates being touted, including the single mothers ( put creches on site ) and every kid over 16 years of age that is out of college or work, put them to work aswell.............I

f they don't like it, they don't deserve it, let them sink..........

And what do people do when they have absolutely no income, and cannot get a job? Oh yes, they just lie down and die, quietly, don't they! They don't turn to crime, do they? They just let them and their families starve to death quietly in a gutter, I forgot that.

lrn2logic, idiot. I don't like having to fork out to these spongers any more than you do, but putting your fingers in your ears and saying "la la la the problem doesn't exist" isn't going to achieve much I'm afraid

one thing i know the socialist party when they get power in government, they will allow councils to build homes for those on the council housing list.
to make more jobs for people to have, is do away with multi trade, and go back to one man one job, cut the working hour week down to 30 hours any hours on top would be over time, just doing those few things on the job front will make over 2 million jobs for people to have. they you have no problem there be very few people unemployed then.
but right wing capitalist would not do this because it means less money for them in there pockets, all they want is high unemployment so they can have cheap slave labour.
put the socialist party in power they sort the mess out.

danko wrote:

rockandroll wrote: Demolish the lot. Then take every hard working family and "TRULY DISABLED" and elderly person on the estates, and re-home them in good family homes and if need be, evict the lazy filth that refuse to work, to re-house the good families disabled and elderly, as they deserve a hand up............The rest of the bums, give them 3 months to find employment or stop their sponge money. If they can't find employment, give them the opportunity to work on the re-build of the estates being touted, including the single mothers ( put creches on site ) and every kid over 16 years of age that is out of college or work, put them to work aswell.............I f they don't like it, they don't deserve it, let them sink..........

And what do people do when they have absolutely no income, and cannot get a job? Oh yes, they just lie down and die, quietly, don't they! They don't turn to crime, do they? They just let them and their families starve to death quietly in a gutter, I forgot that. lrn2logic, idiot. I don't like having to fork out to these spongers any more than you do, but putting your fingers in your ears and saying "la la la the problem doesn't exist" isn't going to achieve much I'm afraid

If you read it idiot, You'd realise building their own home IS the job. These are filthy parasites i'm speaking of, that are incapable of towing the line..........If they WON'T work as oppossed to CAN'T work as in my post, they are only good for starving in the gutter. The fact this country allows this scum and actually rewards non-workers is the problem..........As for them stealing and robbing, i'd rather pay for the filth to live in basic prison conditions, than pay for them to sit with their feet up watching a dodgy sky tv box, drinking bootleg beer..........

rockandroll wrote:
Demolish the lot. Then take every hard working family and "TRULY DISABLED" and elderly person on the estates, and re-home them in good family homes and if need be, evict the lazy filth that refuse to work, to re-house the good families disabled and elderly, as they deserve a hand up............The rest of the bums, give them 3 months to find employment or stop their sponge money. If they can't find employment, give them the opportunity to work on the re-build of the estates being touted, including the single mothers ( put creches on site ) and every kid over 16 years of age that is out of college or work, put them to work aswell.............I f they don't like it, they don't deserve it, let them sink..........

Very well said. Why should the work shy, and single two legged incubator units get nice housing when hard working descent families struggle on the housing ladder

rockandroll, soton and Stupideditor maybe both of you should look deeper into it, your moaning about things that you hear the tory party are moaning about, when you should be moaning at the system, its the capitalist system that put there with on work, like this silly idea of the tory leader, attacking people on incapacity benefit, when he said 1 in 4 on this benefit are fit for work, yea sure it is, more like 1 in a million might be fot for work, he forgettting his beloved m thatcher put people on the benefit because it hind some of the unemployed numbers, since then an interduction of a government medical for all on that list every 6mths, and those that stay on that list longer than 6mths are on some sort of medication, the sort of medication when you fill in the job form and you have to put down what type of medication you can safly say your job form will end up in the bin, because companys insurance will not cover that person.
so please before you go spouting off or slagging down the unemployed do a little bit of research and look in to the reason why.
remember a lot of those people was the lost generation that m thatcher caused and you will get another lost generation if the torys get into power, well i really should say made worse, because it looks like there might be all ready another one, with 1 million school leavers unable to get jobs,
also remember if you make people unemployed then you need to be able to make employment or pay for there well being, your capitalist system cant have it both ways.

Believe it or not I am neither here nor there with politics, BUT unfortunately, I am suspicious of every twist and turn made by our Governments, Opposition, Councils, quangos, Managers, you name it I see a huge melting pot of confusion all are VERY expensive to run, and those taking advantage of the confusion. SO, my sceptical thoughts are: Dilapidated flats and dwellings, the area in which they stand, is it worth a Million or two to some developer, together in the mixing pot, they are partially assisted by us, and hey presto, we all win. We have a spanking new place to live, it does not matter that the blocks of flats are 8 floors high, we are delighted because it is all NEW. Many of your comments are so right - everyone gains, but the millions that are paid is OUR MONEY and why not. NOW, who are employees, it is essential we use our workshy workforce, not the poor old work immigrant who will be fleeced right, left and centre - sorry have I said something wrong? So there are several layers of helping ourselves - I have to shove off this feeling of opportunists in all walks of life.

goard

Believe it or not I am neither here nor there with politics, BUT unfortunately, I am suspicious of every twist and turn made by our Governments, Opposition, Councils, quangos, Managers, you name it I see a huge melting pot of confusion all are VERY expensive to run, and those taking advantage of the confusion. SO, my sceptical thoughts are: Dilapidated flats and dwellings, the area in which they stand, is it worth a Million or two to some developer, together in the mixing pot, they are partially assisted by us, and hey presto, we all win. We have a spanking new place to live, it does not matter that the blocks of flats are 8 floors high, we are delighted because it is all NEW. Many of your comments are so right - everyone gains, but the millions that are paid is OUR MONEY and why not. NOW, who are employees, it is essential we use our workshy workforce, not the poor old work immigrant who will be fleeced right, left and centre - sorry have I said something wrong? So there are several layers of helping ourselves - I have to shove off this feeling of opportunists in all walks of life.

goard

Believe it or not I am neither here nor there with politics, BUT unfortunately, I am suspicious of every twist and turn made by our Governments, Opposition, Councils, quangos, Managers, you name it I see a huge melting pot of confusion all are VERY expensive to run, and those taking advantage of the confusion. SO, my sceptical thoughts are: Dilapidated flats and dwellings, the area in which they stand, is it worth a Million or two to some developer, together in the mixing pot, they are partially assisted by us, and hey presto, we all win. We have a spanking new place to live, it does not matter that the blocks of flats are 8 floors high, we are delighted because it is all NEW. Many of your comments are so right - everyone gains, but the millions that are paid is OUR MONEY and why not. NOW, who are employees, it is essential we use our workshy workforce, not the poor old work immigrant who will be fleeced right, left and centre - sorry have I said something wrong? So there are several layers of helping ourselves - I have to shove off this feeling of opportunists in all walks of life.

goard