Southampton City Council's vote on fluoride 'would be different'

Cllr Royston Smith

Cllr Royston Smith

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

A TOP Southampton councillor has today said the city council would never have backed fluoridation if it had known children’s dental health had improved.

Deputy leader Cllr Royston Smith said new survey results, which show the city’s five-year-olds suffer the same amount of tooth decay as those across England, have dramatically weakened the case for fluoridation.

The survey found tooth decay among Southampton children at a ten-year low, as reported in yesterday’s Daily Echo.

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The city council’s backing for the plan – affecting nearly 200,000 residents – in last year’s public consultation was seen as key to those in favour of the scheme.

Every other local authority – Hampshire, Eastleigh, New Forest and Test Valley councils – opposed the proposals.

Cllr Smith said: “The council was probably the most important consultee, and whatever we said or did was going to be taken very seriously.”

Every councillor had a free vote in November, and they backed fluoridation 26 to 18.

The report for the meeting claimed the city’s dental health was deteriorating and worse than regional and national averages.

Cllr Smith said the latest figures showing Southampton has lower levels of tooth decay than fluoridated Birmingham, are another nail in the coffin for the case for adding fluoride to the water.

“The main thrust was the poor state of dental health in Southampton, and that’s now shown not to be the case,” he said. “That, combined with the overwhelming public opposition and will of the people should be enough for the SHA to rethink their plans and abandon them.”

South Central Strategic Health Authority has said it remains committed to fluoridation.

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2:43pm Fri 30 Oct 09

hulla baloo says...

Not to late to halt the procedure, is it?

Come on councillors, be brave, do the decent thing, support the majority and pull out of this scheme.

You are here to serve the electorate, so do it.
Not to late to halt the procedure, is it? Come on councillors, be brave, do the decent thing, support the majority and pull out of this scheme. You are here to serve the electorate, so do it. hulla baloo
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2:43pm Fri 30 Oct 09

southy says...

what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride.
what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride. southy
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3:00pm Fri 30 Oct 09

damien thorn says...

stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day. damien thorn
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3:06pm Fri 30 Oct 09

jwillie6 says...

Many research studies show fluoridation is ineffctive, including 14 years of data from 17 countries by the World Health Organization. The latest was published by a dentist in the U.S. Dental Journal last month. Considering the severe health destruction caused by fluoridation, one can only follow the money trail to find any reason to use it.
"JADA Study Proves Fluoridation is Money down the Drain"
NEW YORK, Sept. 29, 2009
Children's cavity rates are similar whether water is fluoridated or not, according to data published in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association by dentist J.V. Kumar of the NY State Health Department(1),
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Many research studies show fluoridation is ineffctive, including 14 years of data from 17 countries by the World Health Organization. The latest was published by a dentist in the U.S. Dental Journal last month. Considering the severe health destruction caused by fluoridation, one can only follow the money trail to find any reason to use it. "JADA Study Proves Fluoridation is Money down the Drain" NEW YORK, Sept. 29, 2009 Children's cavity rates are similar whether water is fluoridated or not, according to data published in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association by dentist J.V. Kumar of the NY State Health Department(1), http://www.prnewswir e.com/news-releases/ jada-study-proves-fl uoridation-is-money- down-the-drain-62572 357.html jwillie6
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3:17pm Fri 30 Oct 09

southy says...

damien thorn wrote:
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it.
but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.
[quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.[/p][/quote]what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it. but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground. southy
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4:22pm Fri 30 Oct 09

mr.southampton says...

Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes.

This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts.
Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts. mr.southampton
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5:18pm Fri 30 Oct 09

damien thorn says...

southy wrote:
damien thorn wrote:
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it.
but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.
look up at the sky any sunny morning,lines all across the sky,these are chemtrails,look them up on the net,containing nitrous oxide and barium,blocking the suns rays and affecting all our immune systems.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.[/p][/quote]what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it. but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.[/p][/quote]look up at the sky any sunny morning,lines all across the sky,these are chemtrails,look them up on the net,containing nitrous oxide and barium,blocking the suns rays and affecting all our immune systems. damien thorn
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6:19pm Fri 30 Oct 09

Rob444 says...

damien thorn wrote:
southy wrote:
damien thorn wrote:
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it.
but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.
look up at the sky any sunny morning,lines all across the sky,these are chemtrails,look them up on the net,containing nitrous oxide and barium,blocking the suns rays and affecting all our immune systems.
Aren't these lines vapour trails, produced by most large aircraft?
[quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.[/p][/quote]what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it. but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.[/p][/quote]look up at the sky any sunny morning,lines all across the sky,these are chemtrails,look them up on the net,containing nitrous oxide and barium,blocking the suns rays and affecting all our immune systems.[/p][/quote]Aren't these lines vapour trails, produced by most large aircraft? Rob444
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6:50pm Fri 30 Oct 09

B. L. says...

southy wrote:
damien thorn wrote:
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it.
but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.
We confess, it was a remote controlled drone operating out of Area 51 that was to spray Agent Orange over Redbridge in order to curtail the gas coming from that area. Unfortunately it backfired,the wind caught it and spread it eastwards, killing off all the oysters and causing caravans to overturn on the motorway creating havoc. The reason it stopped was because someone told the Department of Defense that southy would write a long letter to them, threatening them with socialism if it didn't stop.
My theory is better than yours. :)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.[/p][/quote]what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it. but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.[/p][/quote]We confess, it was a remote controlled drone operating out of Area 51 that was to spray Agent Orange over Redbridge in order to curtail the gas coming from that area. Unfortunately it backfired,the wind caught it and spread it eastwards, killing off all the oysters and causing caravans to overturn on the motorway creating havoc. The reason it stopped was because someone told the Department of Defense that southy would write a long letter to them, threatening them with socialism if it didn't stop. My theory is better than yours. :) B. L.
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8:24pm Fri 30 Oct 09

james47 says...

southy wrote:
what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride.
I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section.

Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have)

The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same.

In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both.

ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns.

ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts"

pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride.[/p][/quote]I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section. Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have) The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same. In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both. ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns. ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts" pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact." james47
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8:25pm Fri 30 Oct 09

james47 says...

mr.southampton wrote:
Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts.
I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section.

Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have)

The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same.

In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both.

ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns.

ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts"

pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."
[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts. [/p][/quote]I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section. Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have) The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same. In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both. ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns. ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts" pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact." james47
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8:36pm Fri 30 Oct 09

southy says...

james47 wrote:
southy wrote:
what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride.
I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section.

Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have)

The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same.

In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both.

ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns.

ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts"

pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."
samuels did not vote against it, he voted for it, and yes i know it was a free vote, all votes in the council chambers are free votes, if it was not you be keep having elections for council members, because southampton council is often a hung council. so you can not use that one to try and save samuels moral stand,
its just like what he done not so long ago, and joined the hampshire senate. whitch took southampton into the senate, so less off your bs please, the truth is samuels keeps on making political gaffs.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: what smudgy really saying, that public opinion is to over whelming against fluoride. and he made another political gaff in supporting fluoride.[/p][/quote]I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section. Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have) The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same. In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both. ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns. ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts" pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."[/p][/quote]samuels did not vote against it, he voted for it, and yes i know it was a free vote, all votes in the council chambers are free votes, if it was not you be keep having elections for council members, because southampton council is often a hung council. so you can not use that one to try and save samuels moral stand, its just like what he done not so long ago, and joined the hampshire senate. whitch took southampton into the senate, so less off your bs please, the truth is samuels keeps on making political gaffs. southy
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9:14pm Fri 30 Oct 09

Maggie Hill says...

I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars.

Dont comment unless you know tha facts.
I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts. Maggie Hill
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9:31pm Fri 30 Oct 09

southy says...

Maggie Hill wrote:
I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars.

Dont comment unless you know tha facts.
i been assured smith voted for it. and that was by a other councilor who told me, but not being in the council chambers when the vote took place, and it was not open to the public when the vote took place. we dont know who vote for or against it. and the minutes dont record who voted for what, it only gives the number for it and against it.
[quote][p][bold]Maggie Hill[/bold] wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.[/p][/quote]i been assured smith voted for it. and that was by a other councilor who told me, but not being in the council chambers when the vote took place, and it was not open to the public when the vote took place. we dont know who vote for or against it. and the minutes dont record who voted for what, it only gives the number for it and against it. southy
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9:40pm Fri 30 Oct 09

southy says...

i let you decide on what you think, but the results was 26 to 18.
there is 26 Conservative, 14 Labour, 8 Liberal Democrats, a total off 48 councilor's that sit in the council in southampton.
i let you decide on what you think, but the results was 26 to 18. there is 26 Conservative, 14 Labour, 8 Liberal Democrats, a total off 48 councilor's that sit in the council in southampton. southy
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12:53am Sat 31 Oct 09

Paramjit Bahia says...

I can never be a Tory voter, but as a socialist believe in fairness and facts.
Vote on Fluoride was free i.e. Party whips not applied.
Tory Cllr. Royston Smith made his position against fluoridation known and explained voting against in the Council through letters page of Daily Echo.
But as far as I am aware he has not been active in campaigning against adding fluoride to drinking water, and there is no guarantee from his party to ban fluoridation of water.
It is also a fact that John Spottiswoode of Green Party who is also going to be candidate in Itchen has not only put in lots of hard work on this issues, he is also the Chair of Hampshire Against Fluoride campaign, without whose total commitment the establishment would have succeeded in killing this issue long time ago. And I think Green Party’s policy commitment is against adding fluoride to drinking water.
John Denham of New Labour on the other hand is personally in favour of adding fluoride, their party policy is unclear and he has only paid very minimum lip service to the debate. He could have done much better by telling to the guano responsible to properly follow the government's guide lines and taken guano to task for ignoring overwhelming anti fluoride concern expressed in consultation. He did no such thing.
With above info in mind if I was voter in Itchen, I will vote for Green Party candidate John Spottiswoode.
I can never be a Tory voter, but as a socialist believe in fairness and facts. Vote on Fluoride was free i.e. Party whips not applied. Tory Cllr. Royston Smith made his position against fluoridation known and explained voting against in the Council through letters page of Daily Echo. But as far as I am aware he has not been active in campaigning against adding fluoride to drinking water, and there is no guarantee from his party to ban fluoridation of water. It is also a fact that John Spottiswoode of Green Party who is also going to be candidate in Itchen has not only put in lots of hard work on this issues, he is also the Chair of Hampshire Against Fluoride campaign, without whose total commitment the establishment would have succeeded in killing this issue long time ago. And I think Green Party’s policy commitment is against adding fluoride to drinking water. John Denham of New Labour on the other hand is personally in favour of adding fluoride, their party policy is unclear and he has only paid very minimum lip service to the debate. He could have done much better by telling to the guano responsible to properly follow the government's guide lines and taken guano to task for ignoring overwhelming anti fluoride concern expressed in consultation. He did no such thing. With above info in mind if I was voter in Itchen, I will vote for Green Party candidate John Spottiswoode. Paramjit Bahia
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1:04am Sat 31 Oct 09

Paramjit Bahia says...

Considering this information proves opposite of what Southampton Council's Humphries (I think they call them Officers) wrote in biased briefings for the councillors, what action our elected Councillors are planning to take against those over paid but not fit for the purpose professionals?
Considering this information proves opposite of what Southampton Council's Humphries (I think they call them Officers) wrote in biased briefings for the councillors, what action our elected Councillors are planning to take against those over paid but not fit for the purpose professionals? Paramjit Bahia
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5:34am Sat 31 Oct 09

clausentum says...

B. L. wrote:
southy wrote:
damien thorn wrote:
stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.
what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it.
but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.
We confess, it was a remote controlled drone operating out of Area 51 that was to spray Agent Orange over Redbridge in order to curtail the gas coming from that area. Unfortunately it backfired,the wind caught it and spread it eastwards, killing off all the oysters and causing caravans to overturn on the motorway creating havoc. The reason it stopped was because someone told the Department of Defense that southy would write a long letter to them, threatening them with socialism if it didn't stop.
My theory is better than yours. :)
hilarious !
[quote][p][bold]B. L.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damien thorn[/bold] wrote: stand up to the new world order and stop the chemtrails spraying southampton citezens from planes every sunny day.[/p][/quote]what do you know about the spraying that took place over late spring and early summer, i heard rumours about it, but cant find any info about it. but i have a feeling it about the water spraying that they was on about a few years ago, spraying water in the air to cling on to co2 gasses and bring the gas back down to the ground.[/p][/quote]We confess, it was a remote controlled drone operating out of Area 51 that was to spray Agent Orange over Redbridge in order to curtail the gas coming from that area. Unfortunately it backfired,the wind caught it and spread it eastwards, killing off all the oysters and causing caravans to overturn on the motorway creating havoc. The reason it stopped was because someone told the Department of Defense that southy would write a long letter to them, threatening them with socialism if it didn't stop. My theory is better than yours. :)[/p][/quote]hilarious ! clausentum
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5:41am Sat 31 Oct 09

clausentum says...

james47 wrote:
mr.southampton wrote:
Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts.
I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section.

Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have)

The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same.

In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both.

ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns.

ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts"

pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."
You misquoted down-to-Earth Mr Icke.

He didn't say "lizard", he said "salamander" and he was thinking not of the Queen but Ken Livingstone.

It's a "fact"

Anyway, it's as much a "fact" as any so-called "fact" thrown up by the silly socialists you justly berate, chide and righteously ridicule!

:-)
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts. [/p][/quote]I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section. Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have) The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same. In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both. ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns. ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts" pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."[/p][/quote]You misquoted down-to-Earth Mr Icke. He didn't say "lizard", he said "salamander" and he was thinking not of the Queen but Ken Livingstone. It's a "fact" Anyway, it's as much a "fact" as any so-called "fact" thrown up by the silly socialists you justly berate, chide and righteously ridicule! :-) clausentum
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8:29am Sat 31 Oct 09

My View from the Hill says...

Didn't take Royston long to get back in paper, he's only just got back from climbing Kilimanjaro (well done) and he is taking pride of place on the pages of the Echo.

I think he and the editor will be devastated when he loses the in the general election.
Didn't take Royston long to get back in paper, he's only just got back from climbing Kilimanjaro (well done) and he is taking pride of place on the pages of the Echo. I think he and the editor will be devastated when he loses the in the general election. My View from the Hill
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9:29am Sat 31 Oct 09

Lone Ranger says...

Maggie Hill wrote:
I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.
MH
.
"Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling )

Thats pretty damned rich coming from you.
.
So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to..
[quote][p][bold]Maggie Hill[/bold] wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.[/p][/quote]MH . "Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling ) Thats pretty damned rich coming from you. . So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to.. Lone Ranger
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9:32am Sat 31 Oct 09

Lone Ranger says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Maggie Hill wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.
MH . "Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling ) Thats pretty damned rich coming from you. . So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to..
Should have read (i corrected your spelling )..tut..tut
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maggie Hill[/bold] wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.[/p][/quote]MH . "Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling ) Thats pretty damned rich coming from you. . So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to..[/p][/quote]Should have read (i corrected your spelling )..tut..tut Lone Ranger
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11:21am Sat 31 Oct 09

goard says...

Sadly fluoride has become a war of words - one bastion pitting itself against another - BUT the 'other' are the recipients who maybe foreably fed this corrosive element fluoride - if the populace decided that SHA
needed a dose of Bromide would they happily imbibe - no they would not, its forcing a whole population to take something they do not want.

goard
Sadly fluoride has become a war of words - one bastion pitting itself against another - BUT the 'other' are the recipients who maybe foreably fed this corrosive element fluoride - if the populace decided that SHA needed a dose of Bromide would they happily imbibe - no they would not, its forcing a whole population to take something they do not want. goard goard
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12:59pm Sat 31 Oct 09

southy says...

clausentum wrote:
james47 wrote:
mr.southampton wrote:
Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts.
I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section.

Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have)

The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same.

In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both.

ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns.

ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts"

pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."
You misquoted down-to-Earth Mr Icke.

He didn't say "lizard", he said "salamander" and he was thinking not of the Queen but Ken Livingstone.

It's a "fact"

Anyway, it's as much a "fact" as any so-called "fact" thrown up by the silly socialists you justly berate, chide and righteously ridicule!

:-)
it was not ken livingstone he was refering to, it was m. thatcher he was calling a salamander. if you care to listen to what he was saying and not what was printed. he said that cold slimly woman, meaning m thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote: Or could it be with an election fast approaching Royston is trying to distance himself from one of his more unpopular decisions by claiming the wool was pulled over his eyes. This bloke could teach Mandelson a thing or two about the dark arts. [/p][/quote]I love reading the comments section to find the most ignorant and factually incorrect comments--and lo and behold I find two in the same section. Southy and mr. southampton--if you are going to slam someone at least get your facts correct (yes I know those pesky facts make life inconvenient when trying to slander someone but it does highlight your complete lack of credibility on any opinion you may have) The vote by the council on fluoride was a free vote. Some labour councillors voted in favour, some against, some conservative councillors voted in favour, some against. The lib dems--the same. In reality Cllr Smith voted AGAINST fluoride. Get your facts straight. You don't have to like someone, but at least either: a-get your facts correct or b-stop lying. The other option is of course that you are completely ignorant--if that is the case, I forgive you both. ps--Personally I am against adding fluoride in water, against adding folic acid in bread, but yet I don't subscribe to any mad "theories" about it being a conspiracy to "get us all". In reality what it is is a misguided attempt by people in power (Strategic Health Authority as example) who actually believe they are trying to help people (ie--children's dental health). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unfortunatlely instead of factual debate I bet half the people in these comments section believe in leprechauns. ps--feel free to now slander me with your "facts" pss--I hear that David Icke says the Queen is a shape shifting space lizard. It must be a "fact."[/p][/quote]You misquoted down-to-Earth Mr Icke. He didn't say "lizard", he said "salamander" and he was thinking not of the Queen but Ken Livingstone. It's a "fact" Anyway, it's as much a "fact" as any so-called "fact" thrown up by the silly socialists you justly berate, chide and righteously ridicule! :-)[/p][/quote]it was not ken livingstone he was refering to, it was m. thatcher he was calling a salamander. if you care to listen to what he was saying and not what was printed. he said that cold slimly woman, meaning m thatcher. southy
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1:06pm Sat 31 Oct 09

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I can never be a Tory voter, but as a socialist believe in fairness and facts.
Vote on Fluoride was free i.e. Party whips not applied.
Tory Cllr. Royston Smith made his position against fluoridation known and explained voting against in the Council through letters page of Daily Echo.
But as far as I am aware he has not been active in campaigning against adding fluoride to drinking water, and there is no guarantee from his party to ban fluoridation of water.
It is also a fact that John Spottiswoode of Green Party who is also going to be candidate in Itchen has not only put in lots of hard work on this issues, he is also the Chair of Hampshire Against Fluoride campaign, without whose total commitment the establishment would have succeeded in killing this issue long time ago. And I think Green Party’s policy commitment is against adding fluoride to drinking water.
John Denham of New Labour on the other hand is personally in favour of adding fluoride, their party policy is unclear and he has only paid very minimum lip service to the debate. He could have done much better by telling to the guano responsible to properly follow the government's guide lines and taken guano to task for ignoring overwhelming anti fluoride concern expressed in consultation. He did no such thing.
With above info in mind if I was voter in Itchen, I will vote for Green Party candidate John Spottiswoode.
also with the torys, they say one thing then do the oppersite.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: I can never be a Tory voter, but as a socialist believe in fairness and facts. Vote on Fluoride was free i.e. Party whips not applied. Tory Cllr. Royston Smith made his position against fluoridation known and explained voting against in the Council through letters page of Daily Echo. But as far as I am aware he has not been active in campaigning against adding fluoride to drinking water, and there is no guarantee from his party to ban fluoridation of water. It is also a fact that John Spottiswoode of Green Party who is also going to be candidate in Itchen has not only put in lots of hard work on this issues, he is also the Chair of Hampshire Against Fluoride campaign, without whose total commitment the establishment would have succeeded in killing this issue long time ago. And I think Green Party’s policy commitment is against adding fluoride to drinking water. John Denham of New Labour on the other hand is personally in favour of adding fluoride, their party policy is unclear and he has only paid very minimum lip service to the debate. He could have done much better by telling to the guano responsible to properly follow the government's guide lines and taken guano to task for ignoring overwhelming anti fluoride concern expressed in consultation. He did no such thing. With above info in mind if I was voter in Itchen, I will vote for Green Party candidate John Spottiswoode. [/p][/quote]also with the torys, they say one thing then do the oppersite. southy
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2:29pm Sat 31 Oct 09

stuartjebbitt says...

The truth has come out. We have been lied to in order to promote a commercial interest.
The answer is for the PCT to do the job they are PAID to do, which is to support the families who need their help, not to mass medicated the whole population who don't want or need it.
To bring back democracy and send
a strong message to the politicians -
Vote for the ONLY consistantly anti-fluoride candidate - John Spottiswode
People from all political persuasions should really consider supporting John, for the sake of democracy.
The truth has come out. We have been lied to in order to promote a commercial interest. The answer is for the PCT to do the job they are PAID to do, which is to support the families who need their help, not to mass medicated the whole population who don't want or need it. To bring back democracy and send a strong message to the politicians - Vote for the ONLY consistantly anti-fluoride candidate - John Spottiswode People from all political persuasions should really consider supporting John, for the sake of democracy. stuartjebbitt
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5:18pm Sat 31 Oct 09

Maggie Hill says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Maggie Hill wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.
MH . "Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling ) Thats pretty damned rich coming from you. . So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to..
Should have read (i corrected your spelling )..tut..tut
Your spelling is worse than mine. who are you married to. john denham?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maggie Hill[/bold] wrote: I think its only fair you read the minutes of the meeting. Royston smith voted against floride. Becaise you are all obsessed with tories not winning you have to be liars. Dont comment unless you know tha facts.[/p][/quote]MH . "Dont comment unless you know the facts" ( i corrected you spelling ) Thats pretty damned rich coming from you. . So which part of the Tory council do you work for...or which one are you married to..[/p][/quote]Should have read (i corrected your spelling )..tut..tut[/p][/quote]Your spelling is worse than mine. who are you married to. john denham? Maggie Hill
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5:36pm Sat 31 Oct 09

now in the north says...

It doesnt matter who you vote for....the government still get in!!!
I will not vote for any of them until someone with morals and values that have deeper foundation than "if we say this we will look good"
I think that is unlikely so I will refrain.
It doesnt matter who you vote for....the government still get in!!! I will not vote for any of them until someone with morals and values that have deeper foundation than "if we say this we will look good" I think that is unlikely so I will refrain. now in the north
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7:43pm Sat 31 Oct 09

Condor Man says...

It seems that the battle is lost lefties as you seem to be constantly on the defensive- as I remember you were in the 80's. Public opinion is turning against a government that has given us a compulsive liar and and compulsive spender. We'll look back in 30 years time and say "weren't Blair and Brown as incompetant and morally bankrupt as Wilson and Callaghan 30 years before".
It seems that the battle is lost lefties as you seem to be constantly on the defensive- as I remember you were in the 80's. Public opinion is turning against a government that has given us a compulsive liar and and compulsive spender. We'll look back in 30 years time and say "weren't Blair and Brown as incompetant and morally bankrupt as Wilson and Callaghan 30 years before". Condor Man
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8:01pm Sat 31 Oct 09

southy says...

one day condor you might relise the truth, there has been no left wing government for 30 years,
wilson and callaghan had a big war ii debt to get paided off and it nearly was, it was all time up to be all paid up for when north sea oil was to start to make a profit, and this money would of gone towards running the country, in whitch every one would of benefited like all your rates and taxs would of been much lower than they ar now. but m thatcher waited till the oil was just about to make profit, then she sold it off to the few, oh and look who was a major player in oil her husband, she also borrowed more money from the usa from the wwii account,
if we had kept all our nationalise industrys we would off been a very rich country now.
but maggie the industry destroyer done alot of damage, damage that will take 50 years to repair, and having a capitalist labour party in power is not helping.
he some thing for you how come china, india, australia, cuba, venezuela and north korea, never went into a recession, just go's to show that right wing capitalist policys dont work and are out dated for the modern world, and left wing policy works and is better suited for the modern world, and the near future world to come.
one day condor you might relise the truth, there has been no left wing government for 30 years, wilson and callaghan had a big war ii debt to get paided off and it nearly was, it was all time up to be all paid up for when north sea oil was to start to make a profit, and this money would of gone towards running the country, in whitch every one would of benefited like all your rates and taxs would of been much lower than they ar now. but m thatcher waited till the oil was just about to make profit, then she sold it off to the few, oh and look who was a major player in oil her husband, she also borrowed more money from the usa from the wwii account, if we had kept all our nationalise industrys we would off been a very rich country now. but maggie the industry destroyer done alot of damage, damage that will take 50 years to repair, and having a capitalist labour party in power is not helping. he some thing for you how come china, india, australia, cuba, venezuela and north korea, never went into a recession, just go's to show that right wing capitalist policys dont work and are out dated for the modern world, and left wing policy works and is better suited for the modern world, and the near future world to come. southy
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6:10pm Sun 1 Nov 09

now in the north says...

Thats rose tinted specs if ever I saw them.
The more the goevernment make, the more the government take.
Its not meant to benefit us. We are the underlings and they are the lords!
We work to benefit them and I see little change on the horizon now that the EU are set to take over pretty much everything currently controlled by our elected idiots.
Self elected idiots are not going to be better, I can assure you.
Thats rose tinted specs if ever I saw them. The more the goevernment make, the more the government take. Its not meant to benefit us. We are the underlings and they are the lords! We work to benefit them and I see little change on the horizon now that the EU are set to take over pretty much everything currently controlled by our elected idiots. Self elected idiots are not going to be better, I can assure you. now in the north
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11:58pm Mon 2 Nov 09

MrGMan says...

Southy, any last piece of credibility has been shot to pieces.

Cllr Smith voted against, others voted for. It was a free vote.

You're arrogance and determination to attack all opponents makes you ideal to stand for Parliament.
Southy, any last piece of credibility has been shot to pieces. Cllr Smith voted against, others voted for. It was a free vote. You're arrogance and determination to attack all opponents makes you ideal to stand for Parliament. MrGMan
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