Liverpool's rival cruise bid blocked (From Daily Echo)

Ha, up yours scousers.

it dont mean liverpool cant not still go ahead with there plans, it just means that they cant use eu money to do it.

I wouldn't blame Liverpool if they keep trying, at least passengers have a welcoming sight of the city when the ship docks.
What does Southampton have to offer when a cruise ship comes in to dock?

Surely this won't stop the scousers trying to steal the business anyway.
Although it would be funny to see a cruise ship up on blocks in Liverpool Docks!!

southy wrote:
it dont mean liverpool cant not still go ahead with there plans, it just means that they cant use eu money to do it.

Southy
You are correct.
Liverpool can indeed proceed with plans for building a new cruise terminal to cater for the turnround trade in competition with Southampton, Dover, Harwich etc.
However they will have to justify the cost (anything between £5-£20m) commercially as Southampton and other ports have had to do. Not get a whopping great grant from the UK Govt and the EC
It will be interesting to see if they can make the figures add up

This is a fair decision...no one was arguing against Liverpool building a cruise terminal in their docks the objection was against them using a huge chunck of tax payers money to fund it. Now they will have to generate the revenue fairly and go through the same process that Southampton went through to build up a first class cruise ship business.

Ben Doone wrote:

southy wrote:
it dont mean liverpool cant not still go ahead with there plans, it just means that they cant use eu money to do it.

Southy
You are correct.
Liverpool can indeed proceed with plans for building a new cruise terminal to cater for the turnround trade in competition with Southampton, Dover, Harwich etc.
However they will have to justify the cost (anything between £5-£20m) commercially as Southampton and other ports have had to do. Not get a whopping great grant from the UK Govt and the EC
It will be interesting to see if they can make the figures add up

£5 to £20m - not much room for manouvre then! Either way, that's an awful lot of car stereos - my advice is don't park your car in Liverpool (although admittedly, that advice stood well before the article was published!)

Carnival have chosen to have their new Headquarters in Southampton. I think that's enough said.

Bam Boozler, I laughed so hard my head nearly came off, you are SO FUNNY. Those good old jokes about 'stereos' and 'blocks' crack me up every time.

To be fair, I think this was the correct decision, but I would imagine a turnaround facility will be built in Liverpool sooner rather than later.

Sneakyninja wrote:
I wouldn't blame Liverpool if they keep trying, at least passengers have a welcoming sight of the city when the ship docks. What does Southampton have to offer when a cruise ship comes in to dock?

I'll tell you what Southampton has to offer, it's on the South coast, a good view of the IoW, pass on the waterside, and your car still parked in the place you left it. You ever been to Liverpool? Nope, I have. Wild horses wouldn't drag me back again.

sph205 wrote:
Carnival have chosen to have their new Headquarters in Southampton. I think that's enough said.

Not only that, they have also signed a long term agreement with ABP, the only business that could be affected is the smaller cruise ships.

unless you live close to Liverpool why would you want to cruise from there? My parents know people who come from South Africa to Southampton to cruise. We need to protect this vital business. Too much has gone 'up north' in recent years, especially our money in terms of unfair council tax ratings

Sneakyninja wrote:
I wouldn't blame Liverpool if they keep trying, at least passengers have a welcoming sight of the city when the ship docks. What does Southampton have to offer when a cruise ship comes in to dock?

I agree with Sir Ad E Noid - anybody who claims Liverpool is more welcoming than Southampton has either never been there or was blind drunk when they were.

Sailing out of Liverpool docks (most of which is inside a lock system) can takes hours - i remember sailing regularly to Belfast and even after having eaten a three course meal and started on the Guinness we were still not even out of the docks - then you go virtually straight in to the Irish Sea. Hardly the West Indies is it ???
Sail from Southampton and yes you may have Fawley and Weston to contend with but what about the New Forest, Netley, the Solent, the Isle of Wight, the Needles and even the Pikey Tower. I've seen many ports around the world and can't remember one where you don't have some unpleasant things to look at as you sail in and out. There are some better than Southampton but many more worse - Liverpool being one of them. Cruises have an elegance and romance attached to them - maybe Liverpool could bid to host Easy Cruise ???

Gladbachsaint wrote:

Sneakyninja wrote:
I wouldn't blame Liverpool if they keep trying, at least passengers have a welcoming sight of the city when the ship docks. What does Southampton have to offer when a cruise ship comes in to dock?

I agree with Sir Ad E Noid - anybody who claims Liverpool is more welcoming than Southampton has either never been there or was blind drunk when they were.

Sailing out of Liverpool docks (most of which is inside a lock system) can takes hours - i remember sailing regularly to Belfast and even after having eaten a three course meal and started on the Guinness we were still not even out of the docks - then you go virtually straight in to the Irish Sea. Hardly the West Indies is it ???
Sail from Southampton and yes you may have Fawley and Weston to contend with but what about the New Forest, Netley, the Solent, the Isle of Wight, the Needles and even the Pikey Tower. I've seen many ports around the world and can't remember one where you don't have some unpleasant things to look at as you sail in and out. There are some better than Southampton but many more worse - Liverpool being one of them. Cruises have an elegance and romance attached to them - maybe Liverpool could bid to host Easy Cruise ???

You haven't been to Liverpool in a long time have you. I have just got back after spending last week up there on business and the city has been transformed over the last twenty years or so. It has maximised its considerable architectural and cultural assets, and unlike Southampton it has successfully transformed its older docks such that public access to the Mersey waterfront was and is a prime consideration. The Albert Dock is a prime example of how to regenerate old dockland. Ocean Village is just a case study in planning failure. I won't get into silly debates about which city is more "welcoming" except to observe that people who describe themselves as such are usually the opposite.
The important point here is one I made previously. Southampton has the facilities to start and end cruises. Liverpool however can stand as a cruise stop off in its own right. There is no need for Liverpool and Southampton to compete. Liverpool complements Southampton as part of a viable Southampton - Dublin - Liverpool -Glasgow - Nordic heritage cruise opportunity.

I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true.

I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool.

If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'.

Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

If Southampton is such a great port from which to operate from, why would they object to another port, 200 miles away, having the same right.

I find the whole idea that one port can stop another port from operating bizarre. We do live in a free enterprise country don't we?

And to the ill informed comment re. operating from a dock, Liverpool has a cruise terminal on the river.

The potential catchment area for cruises operating from Liverpool is huge. The population density of the area from north midlands, north Wales north to Scotland, plus Ireland says it all.

ChrisBisset wrote:
I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true.

I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool.

If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'.

Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

hey do you mind, even lo i agree with you on most of it. please dont compare all of in the south are the same. you have down here is the daily mirrors readers and that lieing paper the sun readers, and its only those that read the sun that think like that, the rest dont.

ChrisBisset wrote:
I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true.

I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool.

If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'.

Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

Eh Eh!! Calm down, calm down!!

ChrisBisset wrote:
I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true. I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool. If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'. Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

that's because the south bankrolls the north.

Condor Man wrote:

ChrisBisset wrote:
I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true. I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool. If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'. Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

that's because the south bankrolls the north.

So the south has all the successful business and that's the end of that?Why are ABP so worried about Liverpool expanding its cruise liner facility into a turnaround facility? Is it not because it would be very successful financially, thus sending business up north?

I agree it shouldn't be started with government hand-outs, but it come soon enough, and if you ask me, it will prove to be very popular.

And sorry I didn't mean to call everyone idiots, just the liars among us.

Condor Man wrote:

ChrisBisset wrote: I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true. I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool. If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'. Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

that's because the south bankrolls the north.

Re.'that's because the south bankrolls the north' which part of the south would that be then?

The city of London probably banrolls the whole country, including Southampton and Liverpool and Greater Liverpool contribute more than Southampton, based on population. So that would be Liverpool bankrolling Southampton.

southy wrote:

ChrisBisset wrote:
I think some of the comments posted here today are disgusting and the people writing them need to grow up. Get it out of your head, the north isn't a vile, dark, horrible place. Its just not true.

I'm grew up in Waterlooville just outside of Portsmouth and have been living in Liverpool as a student for over a year now. I can assure you it is a fantastic, interesting and welcoming place, definitely NOT the crime-ridden dilapidated place that some people, mainly southeners make it out to be. Proof for this lies in the fact that Liverpool is consistently in the top 5 tourist cities in the UK, Southampton only makes the top 20. That's because there is so much more to do and see in Liverpool.

If you accuse all people from Liverpool or the generic 'North' of all being dishonest thieves, then I think you prove yourself to be a lying, ignorant fools. A typical 'Southener'.

Have a heart guys, they are your fellow countrymen, don't drag them into the dirt by propagating your false comments, try to do some good on this earth, don't just be a pack of idiots.

hey do you mind, even lo i agree with you on most of it. please dont compare all of in the south are the same. you have down here is the daily mirrors readers and that lieing paper the sun readers, and its only those that read the sun that think like that, the rest dont.

The really funny thing is Southy actually thinks like that. If you buy the Mirror you are a great human being - if you buy the Sun you are not. And that's pretty much how what he calls socialism works whenever it gets a sniff of power. Of course Southy won't get the irony of what he reveals about himself in his own posts but it won't stop him missing the point and coming back with a load of random data about the two papers.

Would concur with some of the previous posts. It is ridiculous having a north/south slanging match especially spouting off regional sterotypes.
Re the cruise issue.To be fair to ABP they have consisently said they have no problem with competition but it should be a fair competition not skued by Grant Aid and I think this is fair comment.
As regards the city of Liverpool. It is, indeed, a vibrant (if rather edgy) city but improvements have largely been financed by vast sums of NWDA and EU funding which started in earnest after the Toxteth riots.
Re comments from Andy, responding to Southy.
I think we have to realise that Southy has been right all along. If you look at the amount of people in the UK on benefits(6m or more?) or working for the State in various capacities(NHS etc) plus pensioners, there are somewhere in the region of 25m people reliant on the State for their income.
I guess this makes us a Socialist country.
Power to the People then!!!

ABP aren't even a registered company in britain meaning they don't pay tax, so how cheeky that they would complain about the "tax money" being when they haven't paid a penny.
how much tax money has been spent on the motorways and other infastructure getting cruise customers into southampton??

As I understand it, and I am no Tax expert, Corporation Tax is payable on generated profit to HMRC by any company who's principle activity is within the UK, irrespective if they are registered offshore.
On this basis ABP would not be able to escape tax
Having had dealings with the Highways Agency in the past, I can report with a degree of confidence that no money from their (reducing)budget has been spent on Motorways or any other transport link associated with cruise traffic either in Soton or elsewhere in the UK. It is far too a small segment to figure in their considerations

Corporation Tax is paid by every one ben, but where has a lot of british companys keep there money in british banks, the interest that they make of there profits in the bank is taxable. but companys like ABPj dont, they keep there money in a tax free heaven so they dont pay any interest tax where has every that do has to pay it. also you find companys or people who do keep there money in tax free heaven. tend to want more out of the system but unwiling to pay for it. m.thatcher come to mind here, another one who keeps her billions of pounds in a tax free heaven, but wants the british public to pay for her personal security, in whitch we do and it cost the tax payers £1.3 million a year, to protect her.

Southy
Intersting comments. Didn't realise you undderstood International Finance and Complex Tax arrangements.
Seems you have come a long way from when your sister did all your admin/tax when you were self employed!!
btw do you consider the HSBC to be a British Bank?

southampton deserves to lose business. abp and the council are hypocrites. (same as their counterparts in liverpool) the way they all treated the canberra project was disgraceful.. and the way us locals in southampton are treated by the cruise companies, port authority and our council is disgusting.