Southampton council accused over CCTV count (From Daily Echo)

I really don't see what the issue is here. The council obviously spend a great deal of money on this type of thing for a reason, and not as the story makes out, just for the heck of it.

"A Metropolitan Police study found that only one crime is solved every year for every 1,000 CCTV cameras."

Potentially solving murder cases and other high profile crimes? Surely that's a worthwhile cause.

jimbobbo wrote:
I really don't see what the issue is here. The council obviously spend a great deal of money on this type of thing for a reason, and not as the story makes out, just for the heck of it.

"A Metropolitan Police study found that only one crime is solved every year for every 1,000 CCTV cameras."

Potentially solving murder cases and other high profile crimes? Surely that's a worthwhile cause.

I agree Jim, I think it's a simple misunderstanding of the question- and it's easy to think that they just mean cameras on housing estates/shopping areas etc. I don't know what people are worried about if they're doing nothing wrong, CCTV operators haven't got time to sit there and watch you just for the hell of it, they're far too busy looking for victims of crime and those who perpetrate it! You may as well blindfold everyone on the street too if you don't want people looking at you - all very daft. CCTV is here to stay so get used to it.

It's a great feeling that one can walk the streets and KNOW we have no skeletons in the cupboard - indeed, apart from scrumping when I was a kid, I have had a blameless life - must try to keep my bank balance on an even keel but even that can be monitored. So, one wonders why many are brought in for question and then let go: because their DNA is being taken. Again, I see myself as a good citizen BUT all those bloggers out there, including the Echo bloggers - I wonder if we are being monitored? There is no doubt about it we are trussed up like pigs going to slaughter - BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING US.
I fear for my grandchildren and their children.

goard

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

jimbobbo wrote:
I really don't see what the issue is here. The council obviously spend a great deal of money on this type of thing for a reason, and not as the story makes out, just for the heck of it.

"A Metropolitan Police study found that only one crime is solved every year for every 1,000 CCTV cameras."

Potentially solving murder cases and other high profile crimes? Surely that's a worthwhile cause.

I agree Jim, I think it's a simple misunderstanding of the question- and it's easy to think that they just mean cameras on housing estates/shopping areas etc. I don't know what people are worried about if they're doing nothing wrong, CCTV operators haven't got time to sit there and watch you just for the hell of it, they're far too busy looking for victims of crime and those who perpetrate it! You may as well blindfold everyone on the street too if you don't want people looking at you - all very daft. CCTV is here to stay so get used to it.

and theres me wondering when was the council made into a police force. the council dont need cameras in open spaces, i can under stand the need to have them in side building and there car parks. but any where else its not needed. the police on the other hand they do need them. not only do it solve crimes, but they also help with keeping traffic moving (well ment to), they also deter crime taken place near a camera. personally myself i would put police cameras on every road junction

The Council should put a camera on every house in every street. This could be paid out of our Council Tax. I've got nothing to hide - so nothing to fear.

come on saints

Earlier this year a colleague was walking in Shirley High Street and collapsed with a heart attack. The incident was spotted by a CCTV operator who called an emergency ambulance. He will be eternally grateful to the City Council for installing the CCTV and the attentiveness of the operator.

Only yobs and criminals need fear the cameras.

goard wrote:
It's a great feeling that one can walk the streets and KNOW we have no skeletons in the cupboard - indeed, apart from scrumping when I was a kid, I have had a blameless life - must try to keep my bank balance on an even keel but even that can be monitored. So, one wonders why many are brought in for question and then let go: because their DNA is being taken. Again, I see myself as a good citizen BUT all those bloggers out there, including the Echo bloggers - I wonder if we are being monitored? There is no doubt about it we are trussed up like pigs going to slaughter - BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING US.
I fear for my grandchildren and their children.

goard

Goard, sometimes you worry me with your posts. :)

Sailor Steve wrote:
Earlier this year a colleague was walking in Shirley High Street and collapsed with a heart attack. The incident was spotted by a CCTV operator who called an emergency ambulance. He will be eternally grateful to the City Council for installing the CCTV and the attentiveness of the operator.

Only yobs and criminals need fear the cameras.

Brilliant example, and that's what they're trained for, to look out for the unusual etc.

southy, you've completely contradicted yourself!

does this count include mobile cctv units?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Sailor Steve wrote:
Earlier this year a colleague was walking in Shirley High Street and collapsed with a heart attack. The incident was spotted by a CCTV operator who called an emergency ambulance. He will be eternally grateful to the City Council for installing the CCTV and the attentiveness of the operator.

Only yobs and criminals need fear the cameras.

Brilliant example, and that's what they're trained for, to look out for the unusual etc.

southy, you've completely contradicted yourself!

i not freemantle, it might be you are miss under standing in what i am saying.
the council is not a police force so there for they dont need cameras on the street. they only need to have them on council property.
its the police that needs them on the street. no one else.

Sailor Steve wrote:
Earlier this year a colleague was walking in Shirley High Street and collapsed with a heart attack. The incident was spotted by a CCTV operator who called an emergency ambulance. He will be eternally grateful to the City Council for installing the CCTV and the attentiveness of the operator. Only yobs and criminals need fear the cameras.

A friend of mine was bottled and mutilated by a yob in the city center. CCTV did nothing to find his attacker. No one was ever prosecuted.
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Then there is the CCTV in two bank robberies this year. Footage was completely useless. The rapes in and around the city center parks... I could go on.
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It appears to me that this money could be better spent. I consider myself for-survellance but they need to work. The deterrant factor doesnt work as the yobbos know the footage is useless, and how many drivers have gotten off driving offences after arguing that the camera doesnt show enough to prove the offence? A hell of a lot.

AnneGy wrote:
The Council should put a camera on every house in every street. This could be paid out of our Council Tax. I've got nothing to hide - so nothing to fear.

This is a prime example, along with the lady from freemantle of someone who is both ignorant and mis-informed on what is going on in our world today. They are probably the kind of left-wing liberal bigots who once campaigned against the likes of censorship and the erosion of civil liberites, but now feel it is fine to have our privacy and personal freedoms destroyed, all in the name of the war on terror. They probably rejoiuces when the Berlin wall fell down and when the Stasi were disbanded, but are not aware that Britain is now having it's own version of the Stasi being formed under our very noses. Here are some of my points in how ignorant and mis-informed they really are:

1. Technology is being used as a stick to keep the population in check.
2. We have a shadow government, that is undermining democracy and not representing the best wishes of the people.
3. Councils are abusing the powers given to it under the Regulatory Investigative Proceedures Act (RIPA), hence their survelliance into the lives of people, whether innocent or not. Examples include the introduction of bin police, spying on one's neighbour and if parents are sending their children to the correct catchment area school.
4. CCTV cameras will have the capability to have both sound and face recognition, hence spying on people's personal conversations.
5. CCTV doesn't stop there. Our every movements are begin recorded in new car trackers, mobile phones and by RFID chips, found in things ranging fro household items to passports.
6. Out emials, telephone conversations and credit card tranactions, through chip and pin are being monitored and recorded onto a vast database, the biggest of which is a supercomputer in London that can perform 80 trillion calculations per second. Project Echelon, though the vast amouts of space satillites can reocrd all telephone conversations.

If Anne Gy is not worried by the prospect of every camera being put on every street, she soon will be. not only do we not have any say in where or when these things should go, but Police will have the ability to question and interrogate us at any itme, whether we are innocent or not.

Bartonian wrote:

AnneGy wrote: The Council should put a camera on every house in every street. This could be paid out of our Council Tax. I've got nothing to hide - so nothing to fear.

This is a prime example, along with the lady from freemantle of someone who is both ignorant and mis-informed on what is going on in our world today. They are probably the kind of left-wing liberal bigots who once campaigned against the likes of censorship and the erosion of civil liberites, but now feel it is fine to have our privacy and personal freedoms destroyed, all in the name of the war on terror. They probably rejoiuces when the Berlin wall fell down and when the Stasi were disbanded, but are not aware that Britain is now having it's own version of the Stasi being formed under our very noses. Here are some of my points in how ignorant and mis-informed they really are: 1. Technology is being used as a stick to keep the population in check. 2. We have a shadow government, that is undermining democracy and not representing the best wishes of the people. 3. Councils are abusing the powers given to it under the Regulatory Investigative Proceedures Act (RIPA), hence their survelliance into the lives of people, whether innocent or not. Examples include the introduction of bin police, spying on one's neighbour and if parents are sending their children to the correct catchment area school. 4. CCTV cameras will have the capability to have both sound and face recognition, hence spying on people's personal conversations. 5. CCTV doesn't stop there. Our every movements are begin recorded in new car trackers, mobile phones and by RFID chips, found in things ranging fro household items to passports. 6. Out emials, telephone conversations and credit card tranactions, through chip and pin are being monitored and recorded onto a vast database, the biggest of which is a supercomputer in London that can perform 80 trillion calculations per second. Project Echelon, though the vast amouts of space satillites can reocrd all telephone conversations. If Anne Gy is not worried by the prospect of every camera being put on every street, she soon will be. not only do we not have any say in where or when these things should go, but Police will have the ability to question and interrogate us at any itme, whether we are innocent or not.

I note that nobody had anything to say on your post, Bartonian. The nothing-to-hide-noth
ing-to-fear mob are truly living in ignorance of what is happening around them. To Sailor Steve - I'd say that it's a sad indictment on society that his friend had to rely on a cctv snoop for help rather than a passerby in what was bound to be a busy street. CCTV does nothing to stop crime and very little to solve crime. It's just another means by which an over zealous council wants to monitor and control our lives.

Carpe Diem wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

AnneGy wrote: The Council should put a camera on every house in every street. This could be paid out of our Council Tax. I've got nothing to hide - so nothing to fear.

This is a prime example, along with the lady from freemantle of someone who is both ignorant and mis-informed on what is going on in our world today. They are probably the kind of left-wing liberal bigots who once campaigned against the likes of censorship and the erosion of civil liberites, but now feel it is fine to have our privacy and personal freedoms destroyed, all in the name of the war on terror. They probably rejoiuces when the Berlin wall fell down and when the Stasi were disbanded, but are not aware that Britain is now having it's own version of the Stasi being formed under our very noses. Here are some of my points in how ignorant and mis-informed they really are: 1. Technology is being used as a stick to keep the population in check. 2. We have a shadow government, that is undermining democracy and not representing the best wishes of the people. 3. Councils are abusing the powers given to it under the Regulatory Investigative Proceedures Act (RIPA), hence their survelliance into the lives of people, whether innocent or not. Examples include the introduction of bin police, spying on one's neighbour and if parents are sending their children to the correct catchment area school. 4. CCTV cameras will have the capability to have both sound and face recognition, hence spying on people's personal conversations. 5. CCTV doesn't stop there. Our every movements are begin recorded in new car trackers, mobile phones and by RFID chips, found in things ranging fro household items to passports. 6. Out emials, telephone conversations and credit card tranactions, through chip and pin are being monitored and recorded onto a vast database, the biggest of which is a supercomputer in London that can perform 80 trillion calculations per second. Project Echelon, though the vast amouts of space satillites can reocrd all telephone conversations. If Anne Gy is not worried by the prospect of every camera being put on every street, she soon will be. not only do we not have any say in where or when these things should go, but Police will have the ability to question and interrogate us at any itme, whether we are innocent or not.

I note that nobody had anything to say on your post, Bartonian. The nothing-to-hide-noth ing-to-fear mob are truly living in ignorance of what is happening around them. To Sailor Steve - I'd say that it's a sad indictment on society that his friend had to rely on a cctv snoop for help rather than a passerby in what was bound to be a busy street. CCTV does nothing to stop crime and very little to solve crime. It's just another means by which an over zealous council wants to monitor and control our lives.

You're right about this. I've been following all these developments for a long time and it scares the hell out of me. Most people are completely asleep to it all. I feel they are more concerned in surrounding themselve with consumer goods and watching football, rather than what is happening. Whwn they wake up, it will be too late.