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Southampton Snow Dome to be built at council's Town Depot site

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PLANS to build a snow dome in the heart of Southampton can today be exclusively revealed by the Daily Echo.

Southampton City Council wants the huge indoor snowsports centre to be built on the site of the city’s Town Depot.

Rising up alongside the northern approach to the Itchen Bridge, the real-snow ski slope would be the star attraction of a new leisure centre.

The council has given developers until Thursday to register their interest for the multi-million pound project.

SNO!zone, the UK’s largest indoor ski operator, last night confirmed it was considering bidding to build and run the south coast’s first snow dome.

The slope, which would be at least 150m long, would be covered with tonnes of fresh real snow every day and become the skiing mecca of Southern England.

It has the potential to create hundreds of local jobs and attract hundreds of thousands of visitors to Southampton.

It could also feature new shops, restaurants and bars, as well as other extreme sport activities such as a climbing wall.

The council wants the development to transform the 8.07 hectare industrial site and open the River Itchen waterfront to the public.


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Councillor Royston Smith, the council’s deputy leader, said the indoor ski, snowboard and tobogganing dome would establish Southampton as the region’s premier leisure destination.

“It is early days, but we are very optimistic that there are two or three operators who would be interested in a large development like this,” said Cllr Smith.

“We want it to be a leisure complex that will be a regional draw and in order to do that we need something that is different and something that people will travel for.

“We want to put Southampton on the map regionally and we think a real-snow slope will do that. This is brilliant news for Southampton.”

The announcement comes just days after the Echo revealed plans for a new £10m ice rink in Southampton.

Developer Colin Warburg wants to build a 56m by 26m ice pad, with seating for 850 spectators, on the former Chantry Hall site in St Mary’s.

There are already six real-snow indoor slopes across England and Scotland, but the nearest to Southampton is almost 100 miles away in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire.

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As reported by the Echo in February 2008, Sno!Zone first approached the council about the idea of a real-snow ski slope in Southampton more than two years ago.

Sno!Zone operates hugely successful indoor slopes at Xscape leisure centres in Glasgow, Leeds and Milton Keynes.

The firm’s future developments director Alistair Bell said: “Sno!Zone are interested, but have not yet made a final decision.

That decision will be made this week.” However other UK indoor ski slope operators, Chill Factore in Manchester and Onslow Suffolk, the firm behind the proposed Snoasis in Ipswich, both ruled themselves out last night.

London firm Knights Frank, which is marketing the Town Depot site, said they’d already received more than 100 enquiries about the development.

However it’s expected that official expressions of interest won’t be received until Thursday, the deadline day for the tender.

A shortlist of up to four potential developers will then be selected in March and invited to submit detailed bids. Cllr Smith said a preferred developer should be appointed later in the year, but that construction would not start in 2010.

The city’s waste operations at Town Depot are due to be moved to a fouracre plot at the entrance to Southampton docks, off the Millbrook roundabout, in 2011.

The snow dome development will be focused on the vacated Town Depot site, however it is likely that surrounding properties will also be razed to make-way for the leisure centre.

The Town Depot comprises almost half of the industrial site, while the remainder is a mixture of council leased and privately owned commercial properties.

Cllr Smith said the council would assist with land assembly and, if necessary, use its Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) powers.

This means some landowners within the development site, on Albert Road North, could be forced by the council to sell their property. They will be offered compensation and have the right to challenge the order.

It’s likely the council will keep ownership of at least part of the site, but the developer would design, construct and finance the snow dome.

Existing watersport activities located on the site, including the British Transport Commission Rowing Club, would have to be retained as part of the development or provided with new facilities as part of a relocation.

Other potential issues include the loss of adjacent intertidal mudflats and the fact the that area is potentially a nationally important archaeological site.

The remains of St Mary’s Chapel, a mill, Saxon village and Saxon boats might all be buried under the site, according to the council’s own marketing brochure.

Comments(69)

stmarysmush says...
12:11pm Mon 25 Jan 10

What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.

ChrisHatch says...
12:11pm Mon 25 Jan 10

I wonder whether this will ever be built in my lifetime...

SotonNorth says...
12:25pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Let's hope it forms part of a larger project to revitalise this part of Southampton's waterfront, and doesn't become another Leisure World style shed disconnected from the city centre by poor walking connections. It has great potential, especially as it is close to the city centre, Ocean Village and St Marys Stadium, and is next to a major bus route going via the Itchen Bridge to many parts of the city.

allsaintsnocurves says...
12:33pm Mon 25 Jan 10

This is all very exciting. I'm sure there will be some negative views on this but in general it would be great if Southampton could get both the ice rink and snow dome completed! It would make the Itchen bridge a nightmare to cross but as long as they invest in the traffic infrastructure then it'll be great.

If this goes ahead then it might become viable to reopen the railway link next to St Mary's as it would be the closest station for those coming from London.

It would be nice to know what vision they have of southampton in the future with all the increased cars on the road. Maybe introduce more traffic lights every 5 yards...no wait they're doing that already!

southy says...
12:33pm Mon 25 Jan 10

hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.

wilson castaway says...
12:57pm Mon 25 Jan 10

personally, im sick of snow already!!
But great, hope this works out too.

Ben Doone says...
1:06pm Mon 25 Jan 10

southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?

JimmyLondon says...
1:13pm Mon 25 Jan 10

This is good news will create jobs and btring people to the city

freemantlegirl2 says...
1:21pm Mon 25 Jan 10

wilson castaway wrote:
personally, im sick of snow already!!
But great, hope this works out too.
ha ha yes me too, although I'd much prefer to see this on the waterfront than a blooming casino, would the road infrastructure support it? or is this another 'spin' by the Council trying to take the 'heat' off selling off the rest of leisure services and art??

However, the idea is a great one. I hope these aren't empty or pie in the sky promises again...

MrGMan says...
1:24pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Excellent news. The council is there to attract developers, not spend taxpayers money on these sort of things. Very pleased.

Saint Cope says...
1:37pm Mon 25 Jan 10

AMAZING. Much rather this than a boring old Ice Rink. This would bring people to the city from miles away. Fingers crossed this could happen.

Family Man says...
1:39pm Mon 25 Jan 10

It is extremely easy to become cynical, but:
How many flats (once the glory days of the market return) will be built to finance it ?
How many NET jobs will it create?
Why is a snow dome considered more viable than, perish the thought, an ice rink?
What is the environmental footprint of something like this in terms of energy? Keeping something very cold surely costs as much if not more than keeping something very hot?
And finally, why oh why can we not have a muliti-purpose venue for concerts, conferences and exhibitions, sitting as we are mid way between Bournemouth and Brighton, and which would provide more jobs, as well as being attractive and, very importantly, accessible to far more of the population both of Southampton and the very much wider geographical area?

ourkid1984 says...
1:41pm Mon 25 Jan 10

stmarysmush wrote:
What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
This is the kind of vision this city needs. It does not say that the council will be spending any money on it what so ever, your comment is a joke.

All they need to do is find a developer and having been to the Milton Keynes complex, I can safely say that it will be an easy business decision. People travel miles to go to Milton Keynes to use their ski slope and I can't see anything that will stop this happening here.

The only pity is that it's a shame that the man behind the ice rink can't team up and make it an all in one centre with possibily other attractions.

I for one really hope that this will become possible and a good way of doing this is with support from the people who live here.

southy says...
1:46pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.

OSPREYSAINT says...
2:19pm Mon 25 Jan 10

As long as it doesn't get put on ice and the project frozen half way through it should be a wonderful addition to our facilities. Go well with the Ice Rink too.

AndyAndrews says...
2:21pm Mon 25 Jan 10

And Elvis Presley is alive and living on the moon!

Jammy Donut says...
2:28pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Ski jumping off the bridge...fantastic

Council clutching at staws again...
Hannides got frost bite in his brain?

SotonNorth says...
2:31pm Mon 25 Jan 10

It will result in increased traffic levels, but transport infrastructure in Southampton desperately needs upgrading anyway, so maybe this could stimulate transport investment beyond the odd bit of bus lane for low quality buses or traffic lights everywhere that always seem to make traffic worse. Getting to the city centre is easier on public transport than getting up to Bassett though, and it will really put Southampton on the map, just as the snow dome in Milton Keynes has done.

rmw says...
2:39pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Fantastic news - I hope this idea gets off the nursery slopes.

Kaye Hume says...
2:46pm Mon 25 Jan 10

While in principle this would be good for the City, does it have to be built on a prime waterfront location. I am a member of the rowing club in question that would have to be relocated, and due to our water based activity we need to be located by the River. At present the traffic situation around West Quay,Ikea, Royal Pier and St Mary's is already a nightmare on match days, wouldn't the snow dome and ice rink be better put together on the outskirts of the city, close to motorway links.

djdaface says...
2:53pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Cant wait for this to be built, but these things seem to take so long I wont be hanging on the edge of my seat.

stmarysmush says...
2:59pm Mon 25 Jan 10

ourkid1984 wrote:
stmarysmush wrote: What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
This is the kind of vision this city needs. It does not say that the council will be spending any money on it what so ever, your comment is a joke. All they need to do is find a developer and having been to the Milton Keynes complex, I can safely say that it will be an easy business decision. People travel miles to go to Milton Keynes to use their ski slope and I can't see anything that will stop this happening here. The only pity is that it's a shame that the man behind the ice rink can't team up and make it an all in one centre with possibily other attractions. I for one really hope that this will become possible and a good way of doing this is with support from the people who live here.
If you think this will get off the ground i`ll eat my fez. Another pointless story by the echo. Prime water front property.....will be flats if anything might be a race to see if woolston or this area is developed first me thinks.

Zeo says...
3:01pm Mon 25 Jan 10

OMG... my other half has a job in that blue zone, what will happern with all the jobs in that area?

btw s/c = wish-cost

bournski says...
3:02pm Mon 25 Jan 10

SotonNorth wrote:
It will result in increased traffic levels, but transport infrastructure in Southampton desperately needs upgrading anyway, so maybe this could stimulate transport investment beyond the odd bit of bus lane for low quality buses or traffic lights everywhere that always seem to make traffic worse. Getting to the city centre is easier on public transport than getting up to Bassett though, and it will really put Southampton on the map, just as the snow dome in Milton Keynes has done.
That well known ski resort Milton Keynes...

happysaint says...
3:07pm Mon 25 Jan 10

why noy have this with the ice rink and call it winter wonderland ,maybe with a new swimming pool arcades gym and sports hall that will bring thousands of jobs not just hundreds sw (pompey) sale-club

bournski says...
3:16pm Mon 25 Jan 10

happysaint wrote:
why noy have this with the ice rink and call it winter wonderland ,maybe with a new swimming pool arcades gym and sports hall that will bring thousands of jobs not just hundreds sw (pompey) sale-club
yeah, build a new international airport down there and all to cater for the millions who'll be flocking to "winter wonderland' why don't you?

RJCogburn says...
3:39pm Mon 25 Jan 10

bournski wrote:
SotonNorth wrote: It will result in increased traffic levels, but transport infrastructure in Southampton desperately needs upgrading anyway, so maybe this could stimulate transport investment beyond the odd bit of bus lane for low quality buses or traffic lights everywhere that always seem to make traffic worse. Getting to the city centre is easier on public transport than getting up to Bassett though, and it will really put Southampton on the map, just as the snow dome in Milton Keynes has done.
That well known ski resort Milton Keynes...
Well spotted bournski. We could call it St Maryitz!!! All we would need is a few ski lodges on the slope, some cows with bells round their necks & a few sprigs of edelweiss festooning the place.............I can hear Julie Andrews already!

D.a.v.e says...
3:48pm Mon 25 Jan 10

stmarysmush wrote:
What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
Good post. How about using the snow to fill the potholes. It will last longer than some of the so-called repairs they have done around here.

WATM says...
3:50pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Ii think if something like this is to succeed then it needs more thought. As per a previous post, why not put this, the ice rink and other attractions such as a leisure centre and swimming pool all in one complex? One problem though is the location. There are a lot of businesses here - what would happen to them? Also, the traffic levels over the Itchen Bridge are bad enough as it is - it would cause mayhem. Why not put it all on the old Meridian TV site further up the river?

Akeap says...
3:59pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Location need more thought but the Idea of a Snowdome in Southampton is possibly the making of the city.

I know of Tens of thousands people go to the Milton Keynes one each week and will bring lots of people to the city from all around the south of the UK proabably up to the bottom of the M25.

They do need to add an ice rink into it, and make sure its on the out skirts of the city though as asid above traffic/traffic lights and rubbish planning of roads in the city choke Southampton like a heart attack.

hope this gets underway ASAP, although it was reported to be in planning stages 2 years ago on this site... :-/

Ben Doone says...
4:13pm Mon 25 Jan 10

southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
As I understand it around half the site ie the Town Depot will be relocated to a site T Millbrook Trading Estate (so you have the Recycling Centre on your doorstep Southy!!)
Presume there will be some lease issues to sort out with private tenants if the Snowdrome interest covers the whole site

colinpickford1 says...
4:15pm Mon 25 Jan 10

You should all snow better than to think for one moment that this will ever get of the ground. More chance of Eddy the Eagle laying eggs.

allsaintsnocurves says...
4:19pm Mon 25 Jan 10

It would be nice to have a ski slope not far from St Mary's to make Marcus Liebher and his Swiss mates feel more at home when they come over for games.

I think it is about time Southampton starts thinking about some form of transportation link up with all the different parts of town...it took Nottingham 6 years to put in their tram system but what a great way of keeping the number of cars down in the city centre. I prefer a mono-rail system as it would be above ground level but I doubt they'd do it...

southy says...
4:32pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
As I understand it around half the site ie the Town Depot will be relocated to a site T Millbrook Trading Estate (so you have the Recycling Centre on your doorstep Southy!!)
Presume there will be some lease issues to sort out with private tenants if the Snowdrome interest covers the whole site
the recycling centre is only well less than a quarter of this area, there is also a council dept there to. plus the central heating, windows, insurance offices, theres a lot that go's on in that blue area of the map. and its not all council business.

Lone Ranger says...
4:39pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Can you smell an election coming up.
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Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........
Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini
sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at all

Bassett Boy says...
4:58pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Don't worry everybody....'cause it aint gonna happen!
"Council Chiefs" are just full of excreta, they'll waste thousands on talking about it, then it'll get forgotten about, just like all the dozens of other grand plans that you can't even remember about now.
Still it gives you something to put on the front page on another "no real news" day.

senseofsouthampton says...
5:09pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Lone Ranger wrote:
Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at all
So basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point?
What would it take for you to stop being so negative? The completion of the hanging gardens of Babylon in millbrook? All of the streets of Southampton being paved with gold? Your biased negativity is deplorable. Would a snowdome be bad for Southampton?

Condor Man says...
5:10pm Mon 25 Jan 10

WATM wrote:
Ii think if something like this is to succeed then it needs more thought. As per a previous post, why not put this, the ice rink and other attractions such as a leisure centre and swimming pool all in one complex? One problem though is the location. There are a lot of businesses here - what would happen to them? Also, the traffic levels over the Itchen Bridge are bad enough as it is - it would cause mayhem. Why not put it all on the old Meridian TV site further up the river?
because the road into the site would become too congested being so close to the level crossing. Also, the council don't own it so it would be up to the owner to market it.

Bassett Boy says...
5:23pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Dear Echo,
Perhaps you could use one of your reseachers to go back through the archives and make a list of all the "Grand projects" that have been mooted by various councils over the years that have never happened.
I'm sure many of the readers could come up with a few to get the ball rolling.

Matthew501 says...
5:25pm Mon 25 Jan 10

D.a.v.e wrote:
stmarysmush wrote: What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
Good post. How about using the snow to fill the potholes. It will last longer than some of the so-called repairs they have done around here.
A new arts quarter, seaworld centre, ice rink and now a snow dome. This Conservative Council is really putting us on the map. Keep it up!!!!!!!

Max Maxwell says...
5:26pm Mon 25 Jan 10

I have no objection to Southampton having a snow dome, but why does it have to be on a waterfront location. My family are members of a rowing club currently on that site and would therefore need to be relocated to another waterfront site. As these locations are few and far between, surely it would make sense to use a non-waterfront site for the snowdome?
Other contributors have made a very valid point about congestion in that area. I cannot imagine that the purchasers of expensive apartments in that area will be impressed by not being able to park at their property either.
It seems illogical not to use the already vacant Vospers site, which seems to have ground to a halt, for such development.

SotonNorth says...
5:27pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Yes, a snow dome on the edge of town would be easier to get to, but people would be less likely to combine it with a day in Southampton city centre. A trip to the snow dome, combined with a shopping trip to West Quay, combined with visiting a nice restaurant, and so on. If the snow dome were located on the edge of the city then visitors outside of the local area would probably not bother venturing into Southampton, plus locals getting there by public transport would be more difficult. As convenient as an out of town location would be, it would only tick the box of "easy car access" and not things such as ensuring the economic wellbeing of the city by dragging people right into the heart of the city.

Lone Ranger says...
5:28pm Mon 25 Jan 10

senseofsouthampton wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote: Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at all
So basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point? What would it take for you to stop being so negative? The completion of the hanging gardens of Babylon in millbrook? All of the streets of Southampton being paved with gold? Your biased negativity is deplorable. Would a snowdome be bad for Southampton?
Basically i didn't say that did i...you are so quick to jump on everything that some people say that you barely actually read anything yourself. What i actually pointed out..just like lots of others that you didn't read...only mine !! was that it will take many years to come to fruition if at all as there are so many hurdles to jump through.
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Your problem is paranoia.
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Now where are the constructive points that you made...um no cant see any.....um no still cant see any.....no nothing there at all..........another great contribution....not !!!

Big Mac says...
5:43pm Mon 25 Jan 10

What a ridiculous location to consider putting anything other than household waste! Aside from the fact if a snowdome would be a welcome addition to the meagre leisure facilities already on offer within the city, does anyone seriously want to see, (let alone endure), more traffic crawling into the city centre?
Why doesn't the area adjacent to the M271 ever get considered – 'park 'n' ride' site if ever there was one!

moominpapa says...
6:17pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Umm how are they going to keep access to the public slipway at crosshouse road?

Cyber-Fug says...
6:51pm Mon 25 Jan 10

It'll never happen because its another Warburg scheme !!! Come on SCC when are you going to stop listening to this man ? You only have to look back through your archives to see how many of these "projects" have come to light.

Northam Lady says...
7:14pm Mon 25 Jan 10

How about something for those of us who don't like skating or ski-ing please? I'd like a Ten Pin Bowling Alley.

MrGMan says...
7:23pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Lone Ranger - I think you will find that the Labour / Lib pact announced a snow dome in the Echo just days after taking over.......

Perhaps you need to go through your Echo cuttings more?

Sunny Saint says...
7:23pm Mon 25 Jan 10

I think its a Great Idea! However, its the wrong place. The traffic comes to a grinding halt where therre's a new movie on at Ocean Village. I Can't imagine a park & ride would be sustainable. Its also the only useable public slipway in the City and the old Cross House itself is surely listed, so should not be destroyed.
What's wrong with putting it on the Southern/Meridian TV or the Vospers sites. Or have they already been sold off?
By the way, the Pot holes in the city are a Joke. Furthermore, I can't think of any other City with worse roads.

mikesp says...
7:43pm Mon 25 Jan 10

I'm sure there are many who would welcome the leisure activities this will provide. A lot fewer like myself will wonder how they will find another suitable location for their business, and whether the business they enjoy because of being in a locally well known location, when the Council moves them out to make way for this venture, will find income levels slashed and suffer badly by the move. Will the revenue generated by the sale of Town Depot be used for the many local issues or will these issues be left unsolved because of the usual claimed lack of available funds.

Lone Ranger says...
7:54pm Mon 25 Jan 10

MrGMan wrote:
Lone Ranger - I think you will find that the Labour / Lib pact announced a snow dome in the Echo just days after taking over....... Perhaps you need to go through your Echo cuttings more?
I know about the Lab/Lib thing thanks........Unlike yourself i dont have all day to look back through press cuttings in the Echo...I am busing running a business so that you pensioners can have a good life in your retirement ie. free bus travel and winter fuel allowance

Lone Ranger says...
7:55pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Lone Ranger wrote:
senseofsouthampton wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote: Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at all
So basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point? What would it take for you to stop being so negative? The completion of the hanging gardens of Babylon in millbrook? All of the streets of Southampton being paved with gold? Your biased negativity is deplorable. Would a snowdome be bad for Southampton?
Basically i didn't say that did i...you are so quick to jump on everything that some people say that you barely actually read anything yourself. What i actually pointed out..just like lots of others that you didn't read...only mine !! was that it will take many years to come to fruition if at all as there are so many hurdles to jump through. . Your problem is paranoia. . Now where are the constructive points that you made...um no cant see any.....um no still cant see any.....no nothing there at all..........another great contribution....not !!!
No still cant find any.....

happysaint says...
9:00pm Mon 25 Jan 10

bournski wrote:
happysaint wrote: why noy have this with the ice rink and call it winter wonderland ,maybe with a new swimming pool arcades gym and sports hall that will bring thousands of jobs not just hundreds sw (pompey) sale-club
yeah, build a new international airport down there and all to cater for the millions who'll be flocking to "winter wonderland' why don't you?
it was just a thought ,no need to be sarcastic, but where have you been vospers had thousands of workers, everyone moans the kids aint got much to do and drinking at shops and parks it might bring people together more then again it may have people fighting down there . all under one complex ,we got west quay and leisure world to be examples

Swalk says...
9:15pm Mon 25 Jan 10

The idea is bonkers and will never happen in a million years. How about using the new waterfront space for a waterfront-style development instead, just like other cities have, or is that too obvious?

Iw61 says...
9:58pm Mon 25 Jan 10

Absolute load of rubbish!
Cllr. Smith is an idiot and living in a dreamworld.

AndyKos says...
10:00pm Mon 25 Jan 10

southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.

southy says...
10:55pm Mon 25 Jan 10

AndyKos wrote:
southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
or go under because of the new higher rents you aft to pay and higher business tax. any compensation you get would only cover for moving to a new site, not the rent or tax that will be higher, water rates power ect ect ect.

freemantlegirl2 says...
11:21pm Mon 25 Jan 10

AndyKos wrote:
southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!

southy says...
11:58pm Mon 25 Jan 10

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
AndyKos wrote:
southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote:
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!
i know the people who runs the double glazing there freemantle, and the only reason they are surviving is because of the lower rents they pay there, to move there no problem, that would be covered, but it will not cover the higher rates and rent they will have to pay, this company has all ready look into it, and it will be the same for all the others, they started to look into it the moment they heard the council intends to move and spilt up there yard. and the rowing club thats there will aft to fold up, because there is no where else they can go, at a price they can afford.

stmarysmush says...
6:37am Tue 26 Jan 10

I know why its going to be on the waterfront.........S
CC are going to moor the QE2 there along side HMS Southampton as added attractions.....why didnt it occur to me before............

Akeap says...
8:18am Tue 26 Jan 10

If this is to be built to be like the Milton Keynes complex, they have many resturants and eating places/shops etc all built in.

There is only 1 decent shop to purchase Snowboarding/Skiing equipment in the South and thats a small outlet in Havant (not the gready S&R in Portsmouth or the Skiing equipment only shop in Millbrook. These shops alone would bring customer from miles around as people like to try equipment out /on before buying (quite hard doing this on the web)

Depending on space, Ice rink, bowling facilities could be included to make it a real leisure facility although there are a few bowling places in the city aleady.

This would in-turn bring jobs, and revenue to the city as it will be massive complex. As I and others have said previously the location is not good due to the road infrastructure leading to it.

Someone mentioned mono-rail earlier too? I thought I heard about 15-20 years ago they were planning that around the walls of the city & the centre? hope this doesn't go the same way as that plan :-(

Bitterne Park Tim says...
8:28am Tue 26 Jan 10

Apart from getting the Skates in the Cup!! This is the best news possible! I have been desperate for something like this on the South Coast.... if they allow crap like Ikea to be built, surely something like this should be a complete no-brainer!!!

Very Excited.... in fact so excited I am off to Austria this weekend to get some practice in!!!!

baileymp says...
10:47am Tue 26 Jan 10

Need to use the S106 monies to pay off the Itchen Bridge once and for all...

THE BRICK says...
10:47am Tue 26 Jan 10

OOOOh more ice, I love it yummy, can't wait:)

colinpickford1 says...
11:43am Tue 26 Jan 10

Cant we just put a roof on the stadium and fill it full of snow?

Militant Ford Worker says...
12:09pm Tue 26 Jan 10

Although this is a fun idea and no doubt will prove very popular indeed, Snow Domes consume a vast amount of energy to produce all that white stuff.
Quite apart from its environmental impact (something Royston and his Tory chums will be not too worried about) the cost of energy is only going one way, up.
Very soon the cost of running the attraction will become prohibitive.
This project has a limited shelf life - it might work in Dubai where energy is plentiful and cheap but not here.
The fact that the council are persuing a policy of replacing industrial land with shopping units, flats and leisure facilities shows the lessons of the recession have not been learned.
I hereby dub the Snow Dome 'Royston's Folly'.
God save all who ski down her.

Huffybear says...
12:52pm Tue 26 Jan 10

As long as they don't shelve the Ice Rink plans in favour of this, I'm all for it.

unknownuser says...
10:20am Thu 28 Jan 10

With congestion what it is around that area can you really see them putting this in? Without presuming to know a lot about planning regulations, does this snow dome pose the same rewards as a large number of apartments? That said, the idea would be great. However, Saints at home on a Saturday, an ice rink as well as a thriving “leisure complex that will be a regional draw”, good luck parking, or even moving your car.

AndyKos says...
10:50pm Thu 28 Jan 10

southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
AndyKos wrote:
southy wrote:
Ben Doone wrote:
southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!
i know the people who runs the double glazing there freemantle, and the only reason they are surviving is because of the lower rents they pay there, to move there no problem, that would be covered, but it will not cover the higher rates and rent they will have to pay, this company has all ready look into it, and it will be the same for all the others, they started to look into it the moment they heard the council intends to move and spilt up there yard. and the rowing club thats there will aft to fold up, because there is no where else they can go, at a price they can afford.
This will affect different businesses in different ways. The rent in that location isnt particularly low, and right now I know of several vacant properties at a similar or lower rent that are available in the area. It will be disruptive, yes, more for some than for others.

The reality of this is just that business will have to relocate to continue running, possibly to properties that arent as convenient as they have now, but I think its very unlikely to put anyone out of business.

The Rowing Club is a unique situation, but the councils plans for any developers included either relocating the rowing club OR incorporating them into the new development. This suggests the rowing club will get looked after.

From a jobs point of view, there is nothing to lose from this development, the real issues are more to do with traffic congestion, and every who's talking about waterfront development there with shops and restaurants... well how about they actually finish Ocean Village redevelopment thats 100 yards up the road and looks a right mess. Thats the spot for waterfront shops and restaurants and its not getting finished!

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