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6:40pm Monday 25th January 2010 in News
By Peter Law, Feature Writer
PLANS to build a snow dome in the heart of Southampton can today be exclusively revealed by the Daily Echo.
Southampton City Council wants the huge indoor snowsports centre to be built on the site of the city’s Town Depot.
Rising up alongside the northern approach to the Itchen Bridge, the real-snow ski slope would be the star attraction of a new leisure centre.
The council has given developers until Thursday to register their interest for the multi-million pound project.
SNO!zone, the UK’s largest indoor ski operator, last night confirmed it was considering bidding to build and run the south coast’s first snow dome.
The slope, which would be at least 150m long, would be covered with tonnes of fresh real snow every day and become the skiing mecca of Southern England.
It has the potential to create hundreds of local jobs and attract hundreds of thousands of visitors to Southampton.
It could also feature new shops, restaurants and bars, as well as other extreme sport activities such as a climbing wall.
The council wants the development to transform the 8.07 hectare industrial site and open the River Itchen waterfront to the public.
style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">Southampton Snow Dome in a larger map
Councillor Royston Smith, the council’s deputy leader, said the indoor ski, snowboard and tobogganing dome would establish Southampton as the region’s premier leisure destination.
“It is early days, but we are very optimistic that there are two or three operators who would be interested in a large development like this,” said Cllr Smith.
“We want it to be a leisure complex that will be a regional draw and in order to do that we need something that is different and something that people will travel for.
“We want to put Southampton on the map regionally and we think a real-snow slope will do that. This is brilliant news for Southampton.”
The announcement comes just days after the Echo revealed plans for a new £10m ice rink in Southampton.
Developer Colin Warburg wants to build a 56m by 26m ice pad, with seating for 850 spectators, on the former Chantry Hall site in St Mary’s.
There are already six real-snow indoor slopes across England and Scotland, but the nearest to Southampton is almost 100 miles away in Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire.
As reported by the Echo in February 2008, Sno!Zone first approached the council about the idea of a real-snow ski slope in Southampton more than two years ago.
Sno!Zone operates hugely successful indoor slopes at Xscape leisure centres in Glasgow, Leeds and Milton Keynes.
The firm’s future developments director Alistair Bell said: “Sno!Zone are interested, but have not yet made a final decision.
That decision will be made this week.” However other UK indoor ski slope operators, Chill Factore in Manchester and Onslow Suffolk, the firm behind the proposed Snoasis in Ipswich, both ruled themselves out last night.
London firm Knights Frank, which is marketing the Town Depot site, said they’d already received more than 100 enquiries about the development.
However it’s expected that official expressions of interest won’t be received until Thursday, the deadline day for the tender.
A shortlist of up to four potential developers will then be selected in March and invited to submit detailed bids. Cllr Smith said a preferred developer should be appointed later in the year, but that construction would not start in 2010.
The city’s waste operations at Town Depot are due to be moved to a fouracre plot at the entrance to Southampton docks, off the Millbrook roundabout, in 2011.
The snow dome development will be focused on the vacated Town Depot site, however it is likely that surrounding properties will also be razed to make-way for the leisure centre.
The Town Depot comprises almost half of the industrial site, while the remainder is a mixture of council leased and privately owned commercial properties.
Cllr Smith said the council would assist with land assembly and, if necessary, use its Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) powers.
This means some landowners within the development site, on Albert Road North, could be forced by the council to sell their property. They will be offered compensation and have the right to challenge the order.
It’s likely the council will keep ownership of at least part of the site, but the developer would design, construct and finance the snow dome.
Existing watersport activities located on the site, including the British Transport Commission Rowing Club, would have to be retained as part of the development or provided with new facilities as part of a relocation.
Other potential issues include the loss of adjacent intertidal mudflats and the fact the that area is potentially a nationally important archaeological site.
The remains of St Mary’s Chapel, a mill, Saxon village and Saxon boats might all be buried under the site, according to the council’s own marketing brochure.
Comments(69)
ChrisHatch
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12:11pm Mon 25 Jan 10
SotonNorth
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allsaintsnocurves
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southy
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12:33pm Mon 25 Jan 10
wilson castaway
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Ben Doone
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1:06pm Mon 25 Jan 10
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
JimmyLondon
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1:13pm Mon 25 Jan 10
freemantlegirl2
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1:21pm Mon 25 Jan 10
wilson castaway wrote:ha ha yes me too, although I'd much prefer to see this on the waterfront than a blooming casino, would the road infrastructure support it? or is this another 'spin' by the Council trying to take the 'heat' off selling off the rest of leisure services and art??
personally, im sick of snow already!!
But great, hope this works out too.
MrGMan
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Saint Cope
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1:37pm Mon 25 Jan 10
Family Man
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ourkid1984
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1:41pm Mon 25 Jan 10
stmarysmush wrote:This is the kind of vision this city needs. It does not say that the council will be spending any money on it what so ever, your comment is a joke.
What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
southy
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1:46pm Mon 25 Jan 10
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
OSPREYSAINT
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AndyAndrews
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Jammy Donut
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SotonNorth
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rmw
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Kaye Hume
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djdaface
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stmarysmush
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ourkid1984 wrote:If you think this will get off the ground i`ll eat my fez. Another pointless story by the echo. Prime water front property.....will be flats if anything might be a race to see if woolston or this area is developed first me thinks.
stmarysmush wrote: What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.This is the kind of vision this city needs. It does not say that the council will be spending any money on it what so ever, your comment is a joke. All they need to do is find a developer and having been to the Milton Keynes complex, I can safely say that it will be an easy business decision. People travel miles to go to Milton Keynes to use their ski slope and I can't see anything that will stop this happening here. The only pity is that it's a shame that the man behind the ice rink can't team up and make it an all in one centre with possibily other attractions. I for one really hope that this will become possible and a good way of doing this is with support from the people who live here.
Zeo
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3:01pm Mon 25 Jan 10
bournski
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3:02pm Mon 25 Jan 10
SotonNorth wrote:That well known ski resort Milton Keynes...
It will result in increased traffic levels, but transport infrastructure in Southampton desperately needs upgrading anyway, so maybe this could stimulate transport investment beyond the odd bit of bus lane for low quality buses or traffic lights everywhere that always seem to make traffic worse. Getting to the city centre is easier on public transport than getting up to Bassett though, and it will really put Southampton on the map, just as the snow dome in Milton Keynes has done.
happysaint
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3:07pm Mon 25 Jan 10
bournski
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3:16pm Mon 25 Jan 10
happysaint wrote:yeah, build a new international airport down there and all to cater for the millions who'll be flocking to "winter wonderland' why don't you?
why noy have this with the ice rink and call it winter wonderland ,maybe with a new swimming pool arcades gym and sports hall that will bring thousands of jobs not just hundreds sw (pompey) sale-club
RJCogburn
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3:39pm Mon 25 Jan 10
bournski wrote:Well spotted bournski. We could call it St Maryitz!!! All we would need is a few ski lodges on the slope, some cows with bells round their necks & a few sprigs of edelweiss festooning the place.............I can hear Julie Andrews already!
SotonNorth wrote: It will result in increased traffic levels, but transport infrastructure in Southampton desperately needs upgrading anyway, so maybe this could stimulate transport investment beyond the odd bit of bus lane for low quality buses or traffic lights everywhere that always seem to make traffic worse. Getting to the city centre is easier on public transport than getting up to Bassett though, and it will really put Southampton on the map, just as the snow dome in Milton Keynes has done.That well known ski resort Milton Keynes...
D.a.v.e
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3:48pm Mon 25 Jan 10
stmarysmush wrote:Good post. How about using the snow to fill the potholes. It will last longer than some of the so-called repairs they have done around here.
What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.
WATM
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Akeap
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Ben Doone
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4:13pm Mon 25 Jan 10
southy wrote:As I understand it around half the site ie the Town Depot will be relocated to a site T Millbrook Trading Estate (so you have the Recycling Centre on your doorstep Southy!!)
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
colinpickford1
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allsaintsnocurves
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southy
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4:32pm Mon 25 Jan 10
Ben Doone wrote:the recycling centre is only well less than a quarter of this area, there is also a council dept there to. plus the central heating, windows, insurance offices, theres a lot that go's on in that blue area of the map. and its not all council business.
southy wrote:As I understand it around half the site ie the Town Depot will be relocated to a site T Millbrook Trading Estate (so you have the Recycling Centre on your doorstep Southy!!)
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
Presume there will be some lease issues to sort out with private tenants if the Snowdrome interest covers the whole site
Lone Ranger
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Bassett Boy
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senseofsouthampton
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Lone Ranger wrote:So basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point?
Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at all
Condor Man
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5:10pm Mon 25 Jan 10
WATM wrote:because the road into the site would become too congested being so close to the level crossing. Also, the council don't own it so it would be up to the owner to market it.
Ii think if something like this is to succeed then it needs more thought. As per a previous post, why not put this, the ice rink and other attractions such as a leisure centre and swimming pool all in one complex? One problem though is the location. There are a lot of businesses here - what would happen to them? Also, the traffic levels over the Itchen Bridge are bad enough as it is - it would cause mayhem. Why not put it all on the old Meridian TV site further up the river?
Bassett Boy
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Matthew501
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D.a.v.e wrote:A new arts quarter, seaworld centre, ice rink and now a snow dome. This Conservative Council is really putting us on the map. Keep it up!!!!!!!
stmarysmush wrote: What a joke......we dont need this....we cant even get an ice rink let alone this......so come on council fill in all the pot holes in out roads and stop day dreaming will you please.Good post. How about using the snow to fill the potholes. It will last longer than some of the so-called repairs they have done around here.
Max Maxwell
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SotonNorth
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Lone Ranger
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senseofsouthampton wrote:Basically i didn't say that did i...you are so quick to jump on everything that some people say that you barely actually read anything yourself. What i actually pointed out..just like lots of others that you didn't read...only mine !! was that it will take many years to come to fruition if at all as there are so many hurdles to jump through.
Lone Ranger wrote: Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at allSo basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point? What would it take for you to stop being so negative? The completion of the hanging gardens of Babylon in millbrook? All of the streets of Southampton being paved with gold? Your biased negativity is deplorable. Would a snowdome be bad for Southampton?
Big Mac
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moominpapa
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Northam Lady
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MrGMan
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mikesp
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Lone Ranger
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MrGMan wrote:I know about the Lab/Lib thing thanks........Unlike yourself i dont have all day to look back through press cuttings in the Echo...I am busing running a business so that you pensioners can have a good life in your retirement ie. free bus travel and winter fuel allowance
Lone Ranger - I think you will find that the Labour / Lib pact announced a snow dome in the Echo just days after taking over....... Perhaps you need to go through your Echo cuttings more?
Lone Ranger
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7:55pm Mon 25 Jan 10
Lone Ranger wrote:No still cant find any.....
senseofsouthampton wrote:Basically i didn't say that did i...you are so quick to jump on everything that some people say that you barely actually read anything yourself. What i actually pointed out..just like lots of others that you didn't read...only mine !! was that it will take many years to come to fruition if at all as there are so many hurdles to jump through. . Your problem is paranoia. . Now where are the constructive points that you made...um no cant see any.....um no still cant see any.....no nothing there at all..........another great contribution....not !!!Lone Ranger wrote: Can you smell an election coming up. . Another pic of Cllr Smith ( sory MrG Royston) in the Echo........ Think about it.......Developers have yet to register interest, plans, design,compulsory purchase, re-housing of existing businesses, listed property, site clearance, developement....fini sh. You wont see much change out of 8-10 years...so dont think it will be there in a fortnight...if at allSo basically they shouldn't bother at all is what you're saying. Ambitious developments take time, what's your point? What would it take for you to stop being so negative? The completion of the hanging gardens of Babylon in millbrook? All of the streets of Southampton being paved with gold? Your biased negativity is deplorable. Would a snowdome be bad for Southampton?
happysaint
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9:00pm Mon 25 Jan 10
bournski wrote:it was just a thought ,no need to be sarcastic, but where have you been vospers had thousands of workers, everyone moans the kids aint got much to do and drinking at shops and parks it might bring people together more then again it may have people fighting down there . all under one complex ,we got west quay and leisure world to be examples
happysaint wrote: why noy have this with the ice rink and call it winter wonderland ,maybe with a new swimming pool arcades gym and sports hall that will bring thousands of jobs not just hundreds sw (pompey) sale-clubyeah, build a new international airport down there and all to cater for the millions who'll be flocking to "winter wonderland' why don't you?
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Iw61
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AndyKos
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southy wrote:I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
southy
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10:55pm Mon 25 Jan 10
AndyKos wrote:or go under because of the new higher rents you aft to pay and higher business tax. any compensation you get would only cover for moving to a new site, not the rent or tax that will be higher, water rates power ect ect ect.
southy wrote:I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
freemantlegirl2
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11:21pm Mon 25 Jan 10
AndyKos wrote:There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!
southy wrote:I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
southy
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11:58pm Mon 25 Jan 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:i know the people who runs the double glazing there freemantle, and the only reason they are surviving is because of the lower rents they pay there, to move there no problem, that would be covered, but it will not cover the higher rates and rent they will have to pay, this company has all ready look into it, and it will be the same for all the others, they started to look into it the moment they heard the council intends to move and spilt up there yard. and the rowing club thats there will aft to fold up, because there is no where else they can go, at a price they can afford.
AndyKos wrote:There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!
southy wrote:I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.
Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.
southy wrote:Southy
hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.
Pl explain.
Who is losing their jobs?
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southy wrote:This will affect different businesses in different ways. The rent in that location isnt particularly low, and right now I know of several vacant properties at a similar or lower rent that are available in the area. It will be disruptive, yes, more for some than for others.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:i know the people who runs the double glazing there freemantle, and the only reason they are surviving is because of the lower rents they pay there, to move there no problem, that would be covered, but it will not cover the higher rates and rent they will have to pay, this company has all ready look into it, and it will be the same for all the others, they started to look into it the moment they heard the council intends to move and spilt up there yard. and the rowing club thats there will aft to fold up, because there is no where else they can go, at a price they can afford.AndyKos wrote:There you have it from the horse's mouth and you're still arguing Southy, give it a rest will you! you're not always right about everything. I respect your views but sometimes you have to see others' points of views too!southy wrote:I have a business in that area, and know other business owners in the area. This would be an inconvenience, however any prospective developer would have to compensate any business if they were to have to move out. The compensation should cover business disruption and the direct costs of moving. My knowledge of the local business suggests there would be ZERO job losses, in fact for my business this would possibly be an opportunity to expand by moving to larger premises and taking on more staff.Ben Doone wrote:there are a high number of people employed in this area ben, many off whitch could not afford to relocated. it would mean an end to there business. there is also listed building on the edge, and a public hard and slip way.southy wrote: hurdreds of jobs, but how many would be lost.Southy Pl explain. Who is losing their jobs?
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