Southampton City Council to crack down on 'English speaking' cab stickers

Council crack down of 'English speaking' stickets

Council crack down of 'English speaking' stickets

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

COUNCIL bosses today vowed to crackdown on taxi drivers displaying "English speaking" stickers that have sparked a racism row.

The council has threatened cabbies with suspension if they display St George and Union Flag stickers proclaiming they are "English-speaking" drivers.

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It comes after the Daily Echo revealed up to a dozen drivers were showing the notices in their rear windscreens in protest at poor English of some ethnic minority cabbies.

Taxi representatives, councillors and racism campaigners have branded them "racist" and demanded they are removed.

Now the council has said that any cabbie that has a sign or a St George flag in their taxi window will have their licence suspended if they do not take them down within seven days.

The council says they need permission to put up any sign. It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs.

The sticker issue was raised at secret consultation meeting between the trade Southampton City Council last week.

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4:50pm Tue 2 Feb 10

ex sch worker says...

This is not a racist issue. Last year I phoned a taxi company for a cab from Victoria road in Woolston to take me to the National Express coach station, I was going to Heathrow. I gor the missed call on my mobile, went out side no sign of the taxi, so I call the number back and where is the non English driver.....Victory Road Shirley.....DOH
This is not a racist issue. Last year I phoned a taxi company for a cab from Victoria road in Woolston to take me to the National Express coach station, I was going to Heathrow. I gor the missed call on my mobile, went out side no sign of the taxi, so I call the number back and where is the non English driver.....Victory Road Shirley.....DOH ex sch worker
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5:01pm Tue 2 Feb 10

housewife says...

Will the council also clamp down on any driver who mentions what other languages they speak?
I have seen a wide range of national flags in Taxis.
Why is the English one not permitted?
Will the council also clamp down on any driver who mentions what other languages they speak? I have seen a wide range of national flags in Taxis. Why is the English one not permitted? housewife
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5:03pm Tue 2 Feb 10

costa gaz says...

un-believable!!!!!!!
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un-believable!!!!!!! ! costa gaz
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5:03pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Unlimited* Service says...

Two points::-

1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs"

Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence?

Typical desk jockeys in the Council.

2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read.
Two points::- 1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs" Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence? Typical desk jockeys in the Council. 2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read. Unlimited* Service
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5:05pm Tue 2 Feb 10

bravebeth says...

What about deaf people who lip read - I need to feel safe with a taxi driver. It is information and in this information age we are entitled to full information.
I am fed up with taxi drivers who do not know Southampton and do not speak English. What is wrong with taxi drivers being patriotic - it is not racism.
What about deaf people who lip read - I need to feel safe with a taxi driver. It is information and in this information age we are entitled to full information. I am fed up with taxi drivers who do not know Southampton and do not speak English. What is wrong with taxi drivers being patriotic - it is not racism. bravebeth
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5:05pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Dan Kerins says...

Unlimited* Service wrote:
Two points::-

1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs"

Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence?

Typical desk jockeys in the Council.

2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read.
This is a new story. The previous comments are all on the older story, which this one links to.
[quote][p][bold]Unlimited* Service[/bold] wrote: Two points::- 1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs" Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence? Typical desk jockeys in the Council. 2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read.[/p][/quote]This is a new story. The previous comments are all on the older story, which this one links to. Dan Kerins
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5:06pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redondo Saint says...

Absolutely not in any way a racist issue.

This is a communication issue!!

Is it wrong to want someone that is taking you somewhere to understand what you are saying???

Here we go again with the PC brigade and their attempts to hijack a simple situation.

Can you imagine this happening in a city in France or Spain???

You couldn't make it up...
Absolutely not in any way a racist issue. This is a communication issue!! Is it wrong to want someone that is taking you somewhere to understand what you are saying??? Here we go again with the PC brigade and their attempts to hijack a simple situation. Can you imagine this happening in a city in France or Spain??? You couldn't make it up... Redondo Saint
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5:11pm Tue 2 Feb 10

The Wickham Man says...

So there are only two races in the world now. English speakers and non English speakers. Why are no names ever published? What gives a publicly accountable paid official the right to make an absurd decision like this then hide away again? Why has the Echo not rooted out the council official and made him/her explain the logic?
So there are only two races in the world now. English speakers and non English speakers. Why are no names ever published? What gives a publicly accountable paid official the right to make an absurd decision like this then hide away again? Why has the Echo not rooted out the council official and made him/her explain the logic? The Wickham Man
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5:11pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag.
on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi.
the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag. on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi. southy
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5:21pm Tue 2 Feb 10

mac1989 says...

So what else are we going to play the race card with...... am offended when i see the Pakistan flag or the Polish flag
So what else are we going to play the race card with...... am offended when i see the Pakistan flag or the Polish flag mac1989
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5:23pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Unlimited* Service says...

southy wrote:
the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag. on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi.
You should really get out a bit - where I live in Spain the supermarkets have little signs above checkouts showing the flags of Countries like England, Germany and the Netherlands with messages like "I speak English". It is implied the staff speak Spanish. A similar system could operate with the taxis in Southampton but doesn't - afterall there must be a large number of languages spoken by drivers.

The assumption that taxi drivers in Southampton speak English can't be made (through experience) - but isn't it a condition of their licence they speak English?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag. on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi.[/p][/quote]You should really get out a bit - where I live in Spain the supermarkets have little signs above checkouts showing the flags of Countries like England, Germany and the Netherlands with messages like "I speak English". It is implied the staff speak Spanish. A similar system could operate with the taxis in Southampton but doesn't - afterall there must be a large number of languages spoken by drivers. The assumption that taxi drivers in Southampton speak English can't be made (through experience) - but isn't it a condition of their licence they speak English? Unlimited* Service
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5:24pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Unlimited* Service says...

Dan Kerins wrote:
Unlimited* Service wrote: Two points::- 1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs" Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence? Typical desk jockeys in the Council. 2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read.
This is a new story. The previous comments are all on the older story, which this one links to.
Noted - the two hour older story now appears before breakfast news items. I didn't believe the news page would want me to scroll that far back.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unlimited* Service[/bold] wrote: Two points::- 1 - "It is also asking members of the public to report any such signs" Council obviously not interested in us reporting drivers who can't speak English. Isn't that a requirement of their licence? Typical desk jockeys in the Council. 2 - the Echo have censored a bunch of messages posted earlier. The Daily Mail has this story today and the comments forum is a much better read.[/p][/quote]This is a new story. The previous comments are all on the older story, which this one links to.[/p][/quote]Noted - the two hour older story now appears before breakfast news items. I didn't believe the news page would want me to scroll that far back. Unlimited* Service
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5:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Unlimited* Service wrote:
southy wrote:
the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag. on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi.
You should really get out a bit - where I live in Spain the supermarkets have little signs above checkouts showing the flags of Countries like England, Germany and the Netherlands with messages like "I speak English". It is implied the staff speak Spanish. A similar system could operate with the taxis in Southampton but doesn't - afterall there must be a large number of languages spoken by drivers.

The assumption that taxi drivers in Southampton speak English can't be made (through experience) - but isn't it a condition of their licence they speak English?
i do know what your on about, and i agree a taxi driver should display all the different languages, but they are not, and it here where the problem is laying, like you i do know that a load of taxi driver's can speak other languages, but are they displaying the country/s that they can speak, no
[quote][p][bold]Unlimited* Service[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: the council not asking to take down english speaking signs just the st george flag. on face book there is a page to boycott such taxi.[/p][/quote]You should really get out a bit - where I live in Spain the supermarkets have little signs above checkouts showing the flags of Countries like England, Germany and the Netherlands with messages like "I speak English". It is implied the staff speak Spanish. A similar system could operate with the taxis in Southampton but doesn't - afterall there must be a large number of languages spoken by drivers. The assumption that taxi drivers in Southampton speak English can't be made (through experience) - but isn't it a condition of their licence they speak English?[/p][/quote]i do know what your on about, and i agree a taxi driver should display all the different languages, but they are not, and it here where the problem is laying, like you i do know that a load of taxi driver's can speak other languages, but are they displaying the country/s that they can speak, no southy
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5:30pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Common says...

Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel.
Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel. Common
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5:44pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Unlimited* Service says...

From the DM site:-

""I am taxi drive and speak english OK I put stick in window of taxi. this is very racist. try get peple to use just white man taxis

- Suffiq Ullah, Southampton, 2/2/2010 13:52"

This has got to be a joke post, right? I almost fell off my chair reading it.
- SecularBrit, Tyne & Wear""

Comments much more amusing over there - just don't hold your mug of tea over the keyboard while reading them.
From the DM site:- ""I am taxi drive and speak english OK I put stick in window of taxi. this is very racist. try get peple to use just white man taxis - Suffiq Ullah, Southampton, 2/2/2010 13:52" This has got to be a joke post, right? I almost fell off my chair reading it. - SecularBrit, Tyne & Wear"" Comments much more amusing over there - just don't hold your mug of tea over the keyboard while reading them. Unlimited* Service
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5:45pm Tue 2 Feb 10

kaysnan says...

I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that.
I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that. kaysnan
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5:46pm Tue 2 Feb 10

clausentum says...

Common wrote:
Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel.
Dear Ethel,

This is copy of a posting from the day's earlier thread on this article:

King Mush wrote:

“Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years.

They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes.

How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community”


Clausentum wrote, in reply:

“A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering:

Don't like my Country?
Dial 1-800-Go-Home

Hilarious.

The pickup truck driver was expressing his freedom of speech.”
[quote][p][bold]Common[/bold] wrote: Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel.[/p][/quote]Dear Ethel, This is copy of a posting from the day's earlier thread on this article: King Mush wrote: “Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years. They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes. How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community”
 Clausentum wrote, in reply: “A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering: Don't like my Country? Dial 1-800-Go-Home Hilarious. The pickup truck driver was expressing his freedom of speech.” clausentum
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5:49pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Red&White Power says...

Absolute disgrace that taxi drivers are being forced to remove such helplful stickers.

Time for all those that back them to complain about muslim/islamic flags in southampton taxis. Also complain about Perry Mcmilan and his communist/terrorist regalia.
Absolute disgrace that taxi drivers are being forced to remove such helplful stickers. Time for all those that back them to complain about muslim/islamic flags in southampton taxis. Also complain about Perry Mcmilan and his communist/terrorist regalia. Red&White Power
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5:51pm Tue 2 Feb 10

jono1974 says...

WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW.
WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW. jono1974
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5:52pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Gladbachsaint says...

I look forward to tomorrow night when i arrive back in Southampton to go to my parents house - when i was home at Christmas the taxi driver hardly spoke a word of English and i had to direct the driver to their house :-)
I'm for keeping the stickers.
I look forward to tomorrow night when i arrive back in Southampton to go to my parents house - when i was home at Christmas the taxi driver hardly spoke a word of English and i had to direct the driver to their house :-) I'm for keeping the stickers. Gladbachsaint
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5:56pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Stephen McAthey says...

I am in Yalta Crimea, and they display there national flags, + UK, USA Etc. get rid off the council NOW.
IDIOTS.
I am in Yalta Crimea, and they display there national flags, + UK, USA Etc. get rid off the council NOW. IDIOTS. Stephen McAthey
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6:05pm Tue 2 Feb 10

espanuel says...

Over here in Spain there are stickers in banksl, supermarkets cafes and bars stating the the languages they speak so what is the problem with SCC or is someone having a bad hair day in the office, if the taxi drivers have got these stickers in the cabs good luck to them. What would happen if T/Greens or any other shop had stickers saying we speak pol/dutch/german would the SCC go around and ban them? Dont forget SCC you have a continental port on your doorstep.
Over here in Spain there are stickers in banksl, supermarkets cafes and bars stating the the languages they speak so what is the problem with SCC or is someone having a bad hair day in the office, if the taxi drivers have got these stickers in the cabs good luck to them. What would happen if T/Greens or any other shop had stickers saying we speak pol/dutch/german would the SCC go around and ban them? Dont forget SCC you have a continental port on your doorstep. espanuel
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6:06pm Tue 2 Feb 10

My View from the Hill says...

Friends of mine (group of 4 people) and myself (in another group of 4 people) both got picked up in Bitterne and dropped off in Bedford Place, this was at the same time, same taxi company, taking the same route, my groups fare was £3.00 more expensive than my friends, my driver was not English, my friends driver was, I contested this with my driver and went on in language I didn't understand, but he understood me and trust £3.00 back into my hand.

I've heard this is happening quite alot, I think if customers are getting ripped off by foreign drivers, customers have a choice which taxi they enter, and those customers who wish to have an English speaking driver should be allowed too.

It's not racist, it's consumer choice, look at the Shirley High Street many shop sign say Polish Shop, you would assume the owner is a Polish speaker, I don't the council cracking down on that and I don't see anyone calling that racist or anything else for that matter.
Friends of mine (group of 4 people) and myself (in another group of 4 people) both got picked up in Bitterne and dropped off in Bedford Place, this was at the same time, same taxi company, taking the same route, my groups fare was £3.00 more expensive than my friends, my driver was not English, my friends driver was, I contested this with my driver and went on in language I didn't understand, but he understood me and trust £3.00 back into my hand. I've heard this is happening quite alot, I think if customers are getting ripped off by foreign drivers, customers have a choice which taxi they enter, and those customers who wish to have an English speaking driver should be allowed too. It's not racist, it's consumer choice, look at the Shirley High Street many shop sign say Polish Shop, you would assume the owner is a Polish speaker, I don't the council cracking down on that and I don't see anyone calling that racist or anything else for that matter. My View from the Hill
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6:07pm Tue 2 Feb 10

EELS MAN says...

Good old So'ton council.

They never cease to amaze & anger me.

All you ever get from this bunch is "you can't do this", "you can't do that" & if you do were going to charge you for the pleaseure.

I do hope someone from this council reads this to see how hated they are.

They really are Cr@p!
Good old So'ton council. They never cease to amaze & anger me. All you ever get from this bunch is "you can't do this", "you can't do that" & if you do were going to charge you for the pleaseure. I do hope someone from this council reads this to see how hated they are. They really are Cr@p! EELS MAN
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6:11pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Condor Man says...

My View from the Hill wrote:
Friends of mine (group of 4 people) and myself (in another group of 4 people) both got picked up in Bitterne and dropped off in Bedford Place, this was at the same time, same taxi company, taking the same route, my groups fare was £3.00 more expensive than my friends, my driver was not English, my friends driver was, I contested this with my driver and went on in language I didn't understand, but he understood me and trust £3.00 back into my hand. I've heard this is happening quite alot, I think if customers are getting ripped off by foreign drivers, customers have a choice which taxi they enter, and those customers who wish to have an English speaking driver should be allowed too. It's not racist, it's consumer choice, look at the Shirley High Street many shop sign say Polish Shop, you would assume the owner is a Polish speaker, I don't the council cracking down on that and I don't see anyone calling that racist or anything else for that matter.
another problem is minicab drivers picking up unbooked fairs. One pulled up when my dad was out and he refused to get in as the driver was breaking the law. The fault is mostly with a few minicab companies, we all know who they are so if you want this problem to stop boycott firms who's drivers are acting illegally.
[quote][p][bold]My View from the Hill[/bold] wrote: Friends of mine (group of 4 people) and myself (in another group of 4 people) both got picked up in Bitterne and dropped off in Bedford Place, this was at the same time, same taxi company, taking the same route, my groups fare was £3.00 more expensive than my friends, my driver was not English, my friends driver was, I contested this with my driver and went on in language I didn't understand, but he understood me and trust £3.00 back into my hand. I've heard this is happening quite alot, I think if customers are getting ripped off by foreign drivers, customers have a choice which taxi they enter, and those customers who wish to have an English speaking driver should be allowed too. It's not racist, it's consumer choice, look at the Shirley High Street many shop sign say Polish Shop, you would assume the owner is a Polish speaker, I don't the council cracking down on that and I don't see anyone calling that racist or anything else for that matter.[/p][/quote]another problem is minicab drivers picking up unbooked fairs. One pulled up when my dad was out and he refused to get in as the driver was breaking the law. The fault is mostly with a few minicab companies, we all know who they are so if you want this problem to stop boycott firms who's drivers are acting illegally. Condor Man
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6:15pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned.

If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you. Redback
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6:16pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

jono1974 wrote:
WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW.
they are the last people you want to have any power, not even the power of sweeping the streets.


just being reading another site about is, the same thing is happening in other parts of the country.
point to ponder, why the st george flag. why not the union flag like you get over seas in some countrys. like in supermarkets in spain, its the union flag that is shown and not the st george flag.
its the connection between st george flag and the EDL and BNP, i will aft to take it that the taxis that have a st george flag sticker and not the union flag are racist
[quote][p][bold]jono1974[/bold] wrote: WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW.[/p][/quote]they are the last people you want to have any power, not even the power of sweeping the streets. just being reading another site about is, the same thing is happening in other parts of the country. point to ponder, why the st george flag. why not the union flag like you get over seas in some countrys. like in supermarkets in spain, its the union flag that is shown and not the st george flag. its the connection between st george flag and the EDL and BNP, i will aft to take it that the taxis that have a st george flag sticker and not the union flag are racist southy
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6:18pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Red&White Power says...

Redback wrote:
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
[quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term Red&White Power
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6:22pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

jono1974 wrote:
WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW.
LOL. Forget right-wing left-wing politics, forget immigration, racism, protectionism, forget politics altogether. The truth remains that the BNP are a group of swivel-eyed misfits fronted up by a holocaust-denying nutter. They're a joke. They're not even taken seriously by most dedicated fascists. :-D
[quote][p][bold]jono1974[/bold] wrote: WE NEED A BNP COUNCIL NOW.[/p][/quote]LOL. Forget right-wing left-wing politics, forget immigration, racism, protectionism, forget politics altogether. The truth remains that the BNP are a group of swivel-eyed misfits fronted up by a holocaust-denying nutter. They're a joke. They're not even taken seriously by most dedicated fascists. :-D Redback
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6:24pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

Red&White Power wrote:
Redback wrote:
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term[/p][/quote]What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion? Redback
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6:27pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Redback wrote:
Red&White Power wrote:
Redback wrote:
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?
redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism
[quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term[/p][/quote]What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?[/p][/quote]redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism southy
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6:50pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Lone Ranger says...

If a Polish taxi driver puts a Polish flag in his window which says "I speak Polish" is it racist then or only when i complain about it ?
If a Polish taxi driver puts a Polish flag in his window which says "I speak Polish" is it racist then or only when i complain about it ? Lone Ranger
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6:52pm Tue 2 Feb 10

warness says...

southy wrote:
Redback wrote:
Red&White Power wrote:
Redback wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?
redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism
Southy - you are a redback-licking scamp.
Redback - you are a professor of the highest order - "google it" gives all the legitimacy it needs - you MUST be right
ha ha ha ha ha.......
What a tag team you pair are
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term[/p][/quote]What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?[/p][/quote]redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism[/p][/quote]Southy - you are a redback-licking scamp. Redback - you are a professor of the highest order - "google it" gives all the legitimacy it needs - you MUST be right ha ha ha ha ha....... What a tag team you pair are warness
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6:54pm Tue 2 Feb 10

freemantlegirl2 says...

southy wrote:
Redback wrote:
Red&White Power wrote:
Redback wrote:
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?
redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism
I hadn't thought about it like that - good point.

However, I believe this is down to the Council. It should be demanded that drivers have a good grasp of the English language, and let's face it it's not the easiest language to learn, and have a decent knowledge of the city before they are considered for a licence, private cab or taxi. Firms who run companies in the city should have Standards that they have to adhere to. If this is done it removes the need for 'stickers' of any kind because the public will know that they will be provided with a certain standard. I have to say on more than one occasion I've ordered a cab/got in a taxi where the driver 's English was so bad I couldn't understand him. This is one job where people should be able to make themselves understood and understand what is being asked of them. You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term[/p][/quote]What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?[/p][/quote]redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism[/p][/quote]I hadn't thought about it like that - good point. However, I believe this is down to the Council. It should be demanded that drivers have a good grasp of the English language, and let's face it it's not the easiest language to learn, and have a decent knowledge of the city before they are considered for a licence, private cab or taxi. Firms who run companies in the city should have Standards that they have to adhere to. If this is done it removes the need for 'stickers' of any kind because the public will know that they will be provided with a certain standard. I have to say on more than one occasion I've ordered a cab/got in a taxi where the driver 's English was so bad I couldn't understand him. This is one job where people should be able to make themselves understood and understand what is being asked of them. You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact. freemantlegirl2
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6:56pm Tue 2 Feb 10

cowley says...

i think the signs are a good thing.
a friend of mine was picked up at asda in town and asked the driver to go to west end. before she knew it she was just about to join the itchen bridge! he thought she said weston!
and he refused to knock money off the fair!!!! absolute JOKE! customer should have the right to choose after getting ripped off.
i think the signs are a good thing. a friend of mine was picked up at asda in town and asked the driver to go to west end. before she knew it she was just about to join the itchen bridge! he thought she said weston! and he refused to knock money off the fair!!!! absolute JOKE! customer should have the right to choose after getting ripped off. cowley
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6:59pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Redback wrote:
Red&White Power wrote:
Redback wrote:
The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.
Sounds like some sad left wing term
What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?
redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism
I hadn't thought about it like that - good point.

However, I believe this is down to the Council. It should be demanded that drivers have a good grasp of the English language, and let's face it it's not the easiest language to learn, and have a decent knowledge of the city before they are considered for a licence, private cab or taxi. Firms who run companies in the city should have Standards that they have to adhere to. If this is done it removes the need for 'stickers' of any kind because the public will know that they will be provided with a certain standard. I have to say on more than one occasion I've ordered a cab/got in a taxi where the driver 's English was so bad I couldn't understand him. This is one job where people should be able to make themselves understood and understand what is being asked of them. You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact.
Proper bit of reasoned argument fmgirl2. I agree with every word in theory - depending on how it was put into practice of course.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: The stickers are dog-whistle racism, plain and simple. They shouldn't be banned, but they should be condemned. If you don't know what dog-whistle racism is, please google it before ranting. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Sounds like some sad left wing term[/p][/quote]What? How can a description of an aspect of political linguistics have an opinion?[/p][/quote]redback spot on it is dog-whistle politics/racism[/p][/quote]I hadn't thought about it like that - good point. However, I believe this is down to the Council. It should be demanded that drivers have a good grasp of the English language, and let's face it it's not the easiest language to learn, and have a decent knowledge of the city before they are considered for a licence, private cab or taxi. Firms who run companies in the city should have Standards that they have to adhere to. If this is done it removes the need for 'stickers' of any kind because the public will know that they will be provided with a certain standard. I have to say on more than one occasion I've ordered a cab/got in a taxi where the driver 's English was so bad I couldn't understand him. This is one job where people should be able to make themselves understood and understand what is being asked of them. You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact.[/p][/quote]Proper bit of reasoned argument fmgirl2. I agree with every word in theory - depending on how it was put into practice of course. Redback
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7:22pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

Oh, apart from this bit I suppose:

"You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact."

That's not true - it may be in the tourist centres, but then most central London cabbies speak English fluently too.
Oh, apart from this bit I suppose: "You would not get a job in another European country as a taxi driver if you didn't speak the lingo! that isn't racism it's fact." That's not true - it may be in the tourist centres, but then most central London cabbies speak English fluently too. Redback
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7:30pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Mr BCB says...

This is utter rubbish! What happens if the non speaking English language driver gets lost or involved in an incident or accident? Would he able to read a map or call for help in an emergency? A few years ago we would have regarded thecouncil's attitude as an April fool's joke yet today it is here in real life.
This is utter rubbish! What happens if the non speaking English language driver gets lost or involved in an incident or accident? Would he able to read a map or call for help in an emergency? A few years ago we would have regarded thecouncil's attitude as an April fool's joke yet today it is here in real life. Mr BCB
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7:31pm Tue 2 Feb 10

steve.50 says...

Racist card being used again! What is racist about this, is it the St. Georges flag or the words "English speaking driver". I don't find this racist at all. Would the council say it is racist if an Asian driver had an Asian flag with the words "Asian speaking driver" on it, or an Italian one or a Spanish one or Polish!
The public obviously want these signs and its time the council started listening to the public and the drivers. There are other more important issues the council should be worrying about like the criminal records of these foreign drivers that cannot be checked and letting a convicted criminal for people trafficing who was wearing a tag carrying on driving while an innocent taxi driver has not been unable to work for a year until he cleared his name in court over a rape accusation/charge.
Racist card being used again! What is racist about this, is it the St. Georges flag or the words "English speaking driver". I don't find this racist at all. Would the council say it is racist if an Asian driver had an Asian flag with the words "Asian speaking driver" on it, or an Italian one or a Spanish one or Polish! The public obviously want these signs and its time the council started listening to the public and the drivers. There are other more important issues the council should be worrying about like the criminal records of these foreign drivers that cannot be checked and letting a convicted criminal for people trafficing who was wearing a tag carrying on driving while an innocent taxi driver has not been unable to work for a year until he cleared his name in court over a rape accusation/charge. steve.50
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7:31pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Mr BCB says...

This is utter rubbish! What happens if the non speaking English language driver gets lost or involved in an incident or accident? Would he able to read a map or call for help in an emergency? A few years ago we would have regarded thecouncil's attitude as an April fool's joke yet today it is here in real life.
This is utter rubbish! What happens if the non speaking English language driver gets lost or involved in an incident or accident? Would he able to read a map or call for help in an emergency? A few years ago we would have regarded thecouncil's attitude as an April fool's joke yet today it is here in real life. Mr BCB
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7:40pm Tue 2 Feb 10

peasant says...

Think yourselves lucky. Not only do we have the language barrier with some cabbies, there's a few round here who can't drive a car to save their lives. Terrifying some of them are!!!

I've seen more competent joyriders!!!!!
Think yourselves lucky. Not only do we have the language barrier with some cabbies, there's a few round here who can't drive a car to save their lives. Terrifying some of them are!!! I've seen more competent joyriders!!!!! peasant
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7:42pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Nightime says...

kaysnan wrote:
I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that.
So if I refuse to take my information sign down, the council are saying that they will suspend me from driving my Taxi, I then will not be able to make a living. Then when I take legal proceedings to sue the council for an unlawful suspension, stopping me from making a living. On what grounds will their defence be? I think my case would be very strong, and a good way to obtain some compensation from Southampton City Council. My sign is going to stay up. If you suspend me, then I will sue you…….
[quote][p][bold]kaysnan[/bold] wrote: I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that.[/p][/quote]So if I refuse to take my information sign down, the council are saying that they will suspend me from driving my Taxi, I then will not be able to make a living. Then when I take legal proceedings to sue the council for an unlawful suspension, stopping me from making a living. On what grounds will their defence be? I think my case would be very strong, and a good way to obtain some compensation from Southampton City Council. My sign is going to stay up. If you suspend me, then I will sue you……. Nightime
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7:42pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist??
Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)
Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist?? Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with) Miles Way
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7:48pm Tue 2 Feb 10

max8678 says...

what about those things they have hangging from there rear view mirrors that are things to do with there country, i find those affencive and racist lol
what about those things they have hangging from there rear view mirrors that are things to do with there country, i find those affencive and racist lol max8678
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7:53pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

peasant wrote:
Think yourselves lucky. Not only do we have the language barrier with some cabbies, there's a few round here who can't drive a car to save their lives. Terrifying some of them are!!!

I've seen more competent joyriders!!!!!
Me too. One of them was, I suspect, speeding his tats off. He drove at breakneck speed up Athelstan Road with me muttering silent prayers beside him. If he wasn't on speed, he was borderline suicidal.

He was local mind you, so I don't suppose that counts.
[quote][p][bold]peasant[/bold] wrote: Think yourselves lucky. Not only do we have the language barrier with some cabbies, there's a few round here who can't drive a car to save their lives. Terrifying some of them are!!! I've seen more competent joyriders!!!!![/p][/quote]Me too. One of them was, I suspect, speeding his tats off. He drove at breakneck speed up Athelstan Road with me muttering silent prayers beside him. If he wasn't on speed, he was borderline suicidal. He was local mind you, so I don't suppose that counts. Redback
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7:55pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Sunny Saint says...

I have a Welsh Flag on each of the number plates of my car. I'm certainly not Welsh, I just can't be bothered to buy another set of plates.
I thought I lived in the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, and that it was an EU requirement to fly a British symbol on a British registered car!!!
Silly me, I suppose I'd better go and get my friggin plates changed.
I have a Welsh Flag on each of the number plates of my car. I'm certainly not Welsh, I just can't be bothered to buy another set of plates. I thought I lived in the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, and that it was an EU requirement to fly a British symbol on a British registered car!!! Silly me, I suppose I'd better go and get my friggin plates changed. Sunny Saint
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8:01pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Nightaximan says...

What’s next? Take off GB sign on our registration number plates? Cause it may offend someone who is not from this country? The council/licensing department have lost the plot. They should spend less time in the office reacting to people wining about some small information sticker, and clamp down more on the ones that actually do not speak English. What confuses me is how the hell do that get their hackney / private hire licence. I always thought that to speak English was a requirement of the issue of such a licence.?
What’s next? Take off GB sign on our registration number plates? Cause it may offend someone who is not from this country? The council/licensing department have lost the plot. They should spend less time in the office reacting to people wining about some small information sticker, and clamp down more on the ones that actually do not speak English. What confuses me is how the hell do that get their hackney / private hire licence. I always thought that to speak English was a requirement of the issue of such a licence.? Nightaximan
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8:14pm Tue 2 Feb 10

myturntohaveasay says...

I think it's about time that English people were allowed to have a say in England without everyone suggesting that we are being racist !! There is a simple answer to this argument, let each driver have a sticker in their taxi stating their language choice then let the public decide if they want to travel in it or not, there are probably several people in the city regardless of what nationality they are, that would love to have the choice of who is driving them...... I would rather get in a car driven by someone I can fully understand, and I'm sure there are many people of other nationalities who would prefer to be driven by someone who speaks their own native language... this is hardly racism...to me it's common sense!!
I think it's about time that English people were allowed to have a say in England without everyone suggesting that we are being racist !! There is a simple answer to this argument, let each driver have a sticker in their taxi stating their language choice then let the public decide if they want to travel in it or not, there are probably several people in the city regardless of what nationality they are, that would love to have the choice of who is driving them...... I would rather get in a car driven by someone I can fully understand, and I'm sure there are many people of other nationalities who would prefer to be driven by someone who speaks their own native language... this is hardly racism...to me it's common sense!! myturntohaveasay
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8:18pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Miles Way wrote:
Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist??
Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)
the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex.
and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist?? Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)[/p][/quote]the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex. and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers. southy
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8:22pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redback says...

St George was Turkish by the way.

Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-)
St George was Turkish by the way. Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-) Redback
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8:25pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Redback wrote:
St George was Turkish by the way.

Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-)
lol you sod redback i was coming to that a bit later. and a muslim.
[quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: St George was Turkish by the way. Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-)[/p][/quote]lol you sod redback i was coming to that a bit later. and a muslim. southy
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8:27pm Tue 2 Feb 10

X Old Bill says...

Southampton city Council are quite rightly proud of their Port/Dock facilities.
They always seem very happy to announce the benefits of Cruise ships visiting the city.
Some of those cruise ships sail under Italian or other flags.
The next time one arrives, can I suggest that 'those in charge' visit the ship and look at the crew uniforms. Look at the pretty badges on their lapels, those are called 'flags' and they indicate that the wearer can communicate in the language of the people who use that flag.
It's right on your door step for heavens sake!
It would, of course, be even better if the taxi drivers acknowledged all the other languages that they were competent in using. Maybe the council should encourage more of this rather that trying to stop it.
Southampton city Council are quite rightly proud of their Port/Dock facilities. They always seem very happy to announce the benefits of Cruise ships visiting the city. Some of those cruise ships sail under Italian or other flags. The next time one arrives, can I suggest that 'those in charge' visit the ship and look at the crew uniforms. Look at the pretty badges on their lapels, those are called 'flags' and they indicate that the wearer can communicate in the language of the people who use that flag. It's right on your door step for heavens sake! It would, of course, be even better if the taxi drivers acknowledged all the other languages that they were competent in using. Maybe the council should encourage more of this rather that trying to stop it. X Old Bill
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8:30pm Tue 2 Feb 10

My View from the Hill says...

Nightime wrote:
kaysnan wrote:
I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that.
So if I refuse to take my information sign down, the council are saying that they will suspend me from driving my Taxi, I then will not be able to make a living. Then when I take legal proceedings to sue the council for an unlawful suspension, stopping me from making a living. On what grounds will their defence be? I think my case would be very strong, and a good way to obtain some compensation from Southampton City Council. My sign is going to stay up. If you suspend me, then I will sue you…….
Good for you, this council has gone stark raving mad, they are a bunch power crazy control freaks, who are so risk adverse.

They are more scared of getting sued by the foreign taxi drivers claiming this move will restrict their trade, so much so this are prepared to discriminate against the English speaking drivers for displaying a sign informing their potential customers what language they speak.

Numptiness being enforced by a bunch of SCC numpties, they should go a do something serious with their time, like fixing the bloody roads.

You couldn't make this s**t up, if you were writing a fiction novel.
[quote][p][bold]Nightime[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kaysnan[/bold] wrote: I disagree with the councill. It is not being racist by displaying these stickers, it is mearly saying that your driver can converse with you if so required and you do not have to try and explain where you need to go to reach your destination. Have experienced not being able to communicate with a driver and was taken the very long way home, with only a grunt if i commented. I really don't see how the stickers can be called racist, they are just making a statement, and i for one am thankful for that.[/p][/quote]So if I refuse to take my information sign down, the council are saying that they will suspend me from driving my Taxi, I then will not be able to make a living. Then when I take legal proceedings to sue the council for an unlawful suspension, stopping me from making a living. On what grounds will their defence be? I think my case would be very strong, and a good way to obtain some compensation from Southampton City Council. My sign is going to stay up. If you suspend me, then I will sue you…….[/p][/quote]Good for you, this council has gone stark raving mad, they are a bunch power crazy control freaks, who are so risk adverse. They are more scared of getting sued by the foreign taxi drivers claiming this move will restrict their trade, so much so this are prepared to discriminate against the English speaking drivers for displaying a sign informing their potential customers what language they speak. Numptiness being enforced by a bunch of SCC numpties, they should go a do something serious with their time, like fixing the bloody roads. You couldn't make this s**t up, if you were writing a fiction novel. My View from the Hill
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8:34pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist??
Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)
the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex.
and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.
The Cross of St George (accepting any bizarre link St George may have had to England, Redback) is the undisputed national flag of England, whereas the Union flag represents the UK, although I'd expect a Union flag with "I speak English" on it would have the same reaction from some quarters.
Didn't the Welsh do something similar with their nationalistic drive to return Wales to a primarily Welsh speaking nation?
On subject, given the choice between 2 taxis, one of which displays this sticker, I'd go for the one where I'd know English is spoken, irrespective of the origin of the driver - if I'm going to spend my money on a fare there's a minimum standard I expect from the driver -not least the ability to communicate effectively.
This is not racist & maybe those that can't speak English should realise it's a desirable skill if you're intending to offer your services to the general public!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist?? Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)[/p][/quote]the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex. and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.[/p][/quote]The Cross of St George (accepting any bizarre link St George may have had to England, Redback) is the undisputed national flag of England, whereas the Union flag represents the UK, although I'd expect a Union flag with "I speak English" on it would have the same reaction from some quarters. Didn't the Welsh do something similar with their nationalistic drive to return Wales to a primarily Welsh speaking nation? On subject, given the choice between 2 taxis, one of which displays this sticker, I'd go for the one where I'd know English is spoken, irrespective of the origin of the driver - if I'm going to spend my money on a fare there's a minimum standard I expect from the driver -not least the ability to communicate effectively. This is not racist & maybe those that can't speak English should realise it's a desirable skill if you're intending to offer your services to the general public! Miles Way
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8:36pm Tue 2 Feb 10

City Final says...

if the council ensured that all drivers could speak competent English - surely a basic requirement for someone serving the public in England - before issuing them with a licence then the stickers wouldn't be necessary.
if the council ensured that all drivers could speak competent English - surely a basic requirement for someone serving the public in England - before issuing them with a licence then the stickers wouldn't be necessary. City Final
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8:36pm Tue 2 Feb 10

My View from the Hill says...

southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist??
Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)
the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex.
and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.
Thanks for history of flag's and ensigns, I can always rely on you to give great informative posts on most subjects.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist?? Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)[/p][/quote]the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex. and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.[/p][/quote]Thanks for history of flag's and ensigns, I can always rely on you to give great informative posts on most subjects. My View from the Hill
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8:50pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist??
Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)
the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex.
and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.
Forgot to mention, the St George Cross isn't the coat of arms of a past king (BTW who was Richard the Loin Heart?) - kings used the 3 lions emblem on their COA.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: Southy suggests a connection between displaying the St George flag and BNP/EDL yet the Welsh commonly display their flag and the Scots theirs, neither use the Union flag, yet to be English and displaying our national flag is somehow racist?? Personally I expect a UK taxi driver to have firm grasp of the English language and know his/her way around (the last Southampton one I used was utterly useless and impossible to communicate with)[/p][/quote]the trouble with what you calling our national flag, the st george cross is a coat of arms of a past king. richard the loin heart. our national flag is the union flag. and the george cross is only patron st. and not the national flag. england is spilt up in regions with its own flags like down here its the yellow dragon on a red field the flag of wessex. and if you like to look at scottish and welsh drivers they dont put down like welsh speaking drivers, or scottish speaking drivers.[/p][/quote]Forgot to mention, the St George Cross isn't the coat of arms of a past king (BTW who was Richard the Loin Heart?) - kings used the 3 lions emblem on their COA. Miles Way
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9:00pm Tue 2 Feb 10

colinpickford1 says...

Redback wrote:
St George was Turkish by the way.

Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-)
I think this may dragon.
[quote][p][bold]Redback[/bold] wrote: St George was Turkish by the way. Just thought some of you may find that a fun fact. :-)[/p][/quote]I think this may dragon. colinpickford1
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9:05pm Tue 2 Feb 10

ken j says...

If we lived in a foreign country we would be expected to speak their language and rightly so! why is it in England? the "English" have to learn urdu,hindi,arabic and mass of eastern european languages to get a cab or even a phone call! code word "like shut" think the "u" is a spelling mistake!
If we lived in a foreign country we would be expected to speak their language and rightly so! why is it in England? the "English" have to learn urdu,hindi,arabic and mass of eastern european languages to get a cab or even a phone call! code word "like shut" think the "u" is a spelling mistake! ken j
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9:09pm Tue 2 Feb 10

B. L. says...

clausentum wrote:
Common wrote:
Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel.
Dear Ethel,

This is copy of a posting from the day's earlier thread on this article:

King Mush wrote:

“Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years.

They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes.

How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community”


Clausentum wrote, in reply:

“A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering:

Don't like my Country?
Dial 1-800-Go-Home

Hilarious.

The pickup truck driver was expressing his freedom of speech.”
And there you have it in a nutshell. Alternatives are:
Don't like my Flag and Country ?
Dial 1-800-Eat-Sh*t.
Too much PC and Human Rights t**ts in the country, that woman Blair comes to mind. How is it that certain "clerics" can spew hatred and incite violence and no one says a dickie bird, but something as NON-racial (except to the cab drivers that can't speak English) as this is a major issue. No wonder the country is so screwed up. Take a leaf from the Metropolitan Police test for London cab drivers, as some people have commented on, or are they "racist" too.
There are also those that have pointed out the origins of the language, jeepers, how pedantic can you get. It's about SPOKEN English, not the glottogony of it, some people need to get with the program.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Common[/bold] wrote: Some Soton taxi drivers might be a bit racist?! Well blow me down and call me Ethel.[/p][/quote]Dear Ethel, This is copy of a posting from the day's earlier thread on this article: King Mush wrote: “Just look across the Big Pond to see the most amazing New World built on mass immigration over the last 500 years. They fly their flags all over the place with pride, despite the downsides of inherently racist attitudes. The Stars and Stripes are paraded by all races, creeds and colours and are flown outside many of their homes. How come this little island has so many 'problems' when it comes to displaying our own symbol that has been around since 1707. Nothing wrong with others displaying their own flags where relevant and we should be able to share in a multicultural society, despite the problems caused by certain sections of our community”
 Clausentum wrote, in reply: “A few months ago I found myself driving on a USA freeway behind a bright red Dodge Ram 3500 pickup truck. The entire back of the pickup truck was covered by a giant Stars & Stripes Flag decal. Below that, on the shiny chrome bumper, was the following bumper sticker in bold black lettering: Don't like my Country? Dial 1-800-Go-Home Hilarious. The pickup truck driver was expressing his freedom of speech.”[/p][/quote]And there you have it in a nutshell. Alternatives are: Don't like my Flag and Country ? Dial 1-800-Eat-Sh*t. Too much PC and Human Rights t**ts in the country, that woman Blair comes to mind. How is it that certain "clerics" can spew hatred and incite violence and no one says a dickie bird, but something as NON-racial (except to the cab drivers that can't speak English) as this is a major issue. No wonder the country is so screwed up. Take a leaf from the Metropolitan Police test for London cab drivers, as some people have commented on, or are they "racist" too. There are also those that have pointed out the origins of the language, jeepers, how pedantic can you get. It's about SPOKEN English, not the glottogony of it, some people need to get with the program. B. L.
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9:11pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag. southy
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9:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10

kingkong 1 says...

If they live in the country learn the language and they to can say English speaking
If they live in the country learn the language and they to can say English speaking kingkong 1
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9:28pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

also miles richard the lion heart was king richard the first, spoke french mainly has did most of england, the 3 lions was a personal family emblem again not english, his army march under the patron st of st george the red cross on a white field from 10 kingdoms that he ruled.
also miles richard the lion heart was king richard the first, spoke french mainly has did most of england, the 3 lions was a personal family emblem again not english, his army march under the patron st of st george the red cross on a white field from 10 kingdoms that he ruled. southy
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9:35pm Tue 2 Feb 10

kingkong 1 says...

Miles way Excellent post my feelings exactly
Miles way Excellent post my feelings exactly kingkong 1
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9:36pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Red&White Power says...

84% LOL eat that southy
84% LOL eat that southy Red&White Power
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9:42pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Saintlygirl says...

I'm no way racist but am FED UP as to why we are always accused of being offensive when proudly displaying our colours and flags. Why can't the foreigh taxi drivers just have their national flag with "English Speaking ..." as that wouldn't cause us offence. It's reactions like this that cause people to rebel against the foreigners in this city. Respect to all but please let us show our colours in peace.
I'm no way racist but am FED UP as to why we are always accused of being offensive when proudly displaying our colours and flags. Why can't the foreigh taxi drivers just have their national flag with "English Speaking ..." as that wouldn't cause us offence. It's reactions like this that cause people to rebel against the foreigners in this city. Respect to all but please let us show our colours in peace. Saintlygirl
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9:46pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Red&White Power wrote:
84% LOL eat that southy
what do you mean that poll, dont mean a lot there is to many people that post on here that have multi names, and use them.

let me take you back a little bit more than a few years ago. the bnp put up a candidate in the local elections here. and and who was it that supported them, yes right a few taxi drivers, and a few football supporters. and do you know what, the bnp are going to be standing in 2 and maybe all 3 constituency in southampton. they also going to be putting up some local candidates for the council. again this year.
thats why i agreed with redback when he said dog-whistling this is what it really is all about.
[quote][p][bold]Red&White Power[/bold] wrote: 84% LOL eat that southy[/p][/quote]what do you mean that poll, dont mean a lot there is to many people that post on here that have multi names, and use them. let me take you back a little bit more than a few years ago. the bnp put up a candidate in the local elections here. and and who was it that supported them, yes right a few taxi drivers, and a few football supporters. and do you know what, the bnp are going to be standing in 2 and maybe all 3 constituency in southampton. they also going to be putting up some local candidates for the council. again this year. thats why i agreed with redback when he said dog-whistling this is what it really is all about. southy
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9:54pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap! Miles Way
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9:59pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Southampton Heart says...

What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?.
What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?. Southampton Heart
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10:09pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

Southampton Heart wrote:
What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?.
No, but with an increasing number of idiots in positions of power it's only a matter of time...
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Heart[/bold] wrote: What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?.[/p][/quote]No, but with an increasing number of idiots in positions of power it's only a matter of time... Miles Way
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10:14pm Tue 2 Feb 10

freefinker says...

Seems my earlier post to the previous "taxi/flag" story today is still just as relevant - so here it is again: -
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Firstly, let me say I think all taxi drivers should have a grasp of English that is sufficient to be able to understand the destination of the fare; and a good grasp of the geography of our city so that they can take you straight there. If you haven't got that you shouldn't be driving a taxi.
However, there is much xenophobia in several of the above post.
Our flags (union jack and to a lesser extent St George) have, unfortunately, been the subject of a high-jacking by the extreme neo-nazis. Until such time as we can detach this association I for one, and I am sure many in the ethnic communities, are just a little dubious about "flag-waving" in case we send out the wrong message.
It seems to me, also, that some people need to be reminded that we are an island of immigrants - always have been, always will be.
It always takes a few generations for new arrivals to blend in - but blend in they always do. And each successive wave adds to our culture and, indeed, our language.
So, let's show some toleration towards those who often fill the jobs that the "indigenous" population (whoever they are?) are not too keen to take on.
Seems my earlier post to the previous "taxi/flag" story today is still just as relevant - so here it is again: - . Firstly, let me say I think all taxi drivers should have a grasp of English that is sufficient to be able to understand the destination of the fare; and a good grasp of the geography of our city so that they can take you straight there. If you haven't got that you shouldn't be driving a taxi. However, there is much xenophobia in several of the above post. Our flags (union jack and to a lesser extent St George) have, unfortunately, been the subject of a high-jacking by the extreme neo-nazis. Until such time as we can detach this association I for one, and I am sure many in the ethnic communities, are just a little dubious about "flag-waving" in case we send out the wrong message. It seems to me, also, that some people need to be reminded that we are an island of immigrants - always have been, always will be. It always takes a few generations for new arrivals to blend in - but blend in they always do. And each successive wave adds to our culture and, indeed, our language. So, let's show some toleration towards those who often fill the jobs that the "indigenous" population (whoever they are?) are not too keen to take on. freefinker
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10:22pm Tue 2 Feb 10

taximan05 says...

I am an English speaking driver with a sign. I find it offensive to be labeled racist, does anyone care about that?
I live in England, I speak English, i would display other languages if i was fluent. These signs have been displayed for years and the council agreed they were informative when first displayed so why are they being deemed racist now? These are not racist as anyone can display them, they are not prejudice or discriminating, they are informative. Speaking English is not racist and the flag gives pictorial information to those who cannot read.
I am an English speaking driver with a sign. I find it offensive to be labeled racist, does anyone care about that? I live in England, I speak English, i would display other languages if i was fluent. These signs have been displayed for years and the council agreed they were informative when first displayed so why are they being deemed racist now? These are not racist as anyone can display them, they are not prejudice or discriminating, they are informative. Speaking English is not racist and the flag gives pictorial information to those who cannot read. taximan05
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10:23pm Tue 2 Feb 10

S'famptongal says...

Taxi drivers, as service providers, should not display any ingsigna or symbols that would or could alienate sections of the community, that is just good business sense. I live in road that is confused quite often with another road in another part of town, so I double check that I'm very specific about the spelling whether it's for a taxi or pizza delivery. If you want to find racism you can, it's a mindset. One of the most interesting conversations I had with a taxi driver was about The Archers ( both of us avid listeners), he was Pakistani. Stumbling across a bit of very British culture on a taxi ride was a joy. English speaking covers a wide range of communciation ability, often not to the highest.
Taxi drivers, as service providers, should not display any ingsigna or symbols that would or could alienate sections of the community, that is just good business sense. I live in road that is confused quite often with another road in another part of town, so I double check that I'm very specific about the spelling whether it's for a taxi or pizza delivery. If you want to find racism you can, it's a mindset. One of the most interesting conversations I had with a taxi driver was about The Archers ( both of us avid listeners), he was Pakistani. Stumbling across a bit of very British culture on a taxi ride was a joy. English speaking covers a wide range of communciation ability, often not to the highest. S'famptongal
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10:32pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

Freefinker
As I've said I don't see this as a racist issue, despite the efforts of some to make it so. It seems logical as you also point out, that speaking English adequately should be the absolute minimum standard for driving a taxi in the UK & if there are those that don't then those that do (of any nationality) have every right to advertise the fact.
The hijacking of a flag by any extreme group is regretable but should not be a concern for immigrants - as an immigrant in Canada I have no issue with the Canadians proudly displaying their national & provincial flags. nor they with me displaying mine (George & the Union flag).
It seems the English are unable to be proud of showing patriotism in England without being labeled a racist.
Freefinker As I've said I don't see this as a racist issue, despite the efforts of some to make it so. It seems logical as you also point out, that speaking English adequately should be the absolute minimum standard for driving a taxi in the UK & if there are those that don't then those that do (of any nationality) have every right to advertise the fact. The hijacking of a flag by any extreme group is regretable but should not be a concern for immigrants - as an immigrant in Canada I have no issue with the Canadians proudly displaying their national & provincial flags. nor they with me displaying mine (George & the Union flag). It seems the English are unable to be proud of showing patriotism in England without being labeled a racist. Miles Way
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10:40pm Tue 2 Feb 10

warness says...

Better to have a good brush with the swarm, than to climb discontentedly without realising that the weeds are in your soul.
Better to have a good brush with the swarm, than to climb discontentedly without realising that the weeds are in your soul. warness
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10:58pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Redondo Saint says...

If I were to order a taxi and ask for a driver thats speaks English, I am being racist?
If I were to order a taxi and ask for a driver thats speaks English, I am being racist? Redondo Saint
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11:19pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Rowester says...

Why dont the cabbies put a george cross(Without wording) in the window,customers would still know but it would not be offensive & upsetting to these idividuals,as some one said earlier many cabbies put national flags in their windows or hang pendants from the rear mirror.
By the way will the council be flying the Flag of St George on April 23rd....were losing our identity...Im proud to be English like other nationals are proud of where they come from...you go to Turkey..flags everywhere...you go to Pakistan..flags everywhere...you go to anywhere in the world ...and national flags fly with pride.......You fly a flag in England & your a trouble maker & a rascist...get a grip & fly that flag with pride. My Flag will fly with pride in Bitterne Park on the 23rd April....sorry am i sounding like a trouble making rascist
Why dont the cabbies put a george cross(Without wording) in the window,customers would still know but it would not be offensive & upsetting to these idividuals,as some one said earlier many cabbies put national flags in their windows or hang pendants from the rear mirror. By the way will the council be flying the Flag of St George on April 23rd....were losing our identity...Im proud to be English like other nationals are proud of where they come from...you go to Turkey..flags everywhere...you go to Pakistan..flags everywhere...you go to anywhere in the world ...and national flags fly with pride.......You fly a flag in England & your a trouble maker & a rascist...get a grip & fly that flag with pride. My Flag will fly with pride in Bitterne Park on the 23rd April....sorry am i sounding like a trouble making rascist Rowester
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11:32pm Tue 2 Feb 10

Condor Man says...

The taxi drivers who park up near my office offer such a base level of English- excessive use of the f and c words, that perhaps it would be nicer on the ears to have drivers swearing in something foreign
The taxi drivers who park up near my office offer such a base level of English- excessive use of the f and c words, that perhaps it would be nicer on the ears to have drivers swearing in something foreign Condor Man
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11:47pm Tue 2 Feb 10

clausentum says...

Condor Man wrote:
The taxi drivers who park up near my office offer such a base level of English- excessive use of the f and c words, that perhaps it would be nicer on the ears to have drivers swearing in something foreign
No merde !!

;-)
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: The taxi drivers who park up near my office offer such a base level of English- excessive use of the f and c words, that perhaps it would be nicer on the ears to have drivers swearing in something foreign[/p][/quote]No merde !! ;-) clausentum
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11:57pm Tue 2 Feb 10

southy says...

Miles Way wrote:
southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters.
secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter.
and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle.
the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap![/p][/quote]miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters. secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter. and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle. the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field. southy
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12:11am Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

i missed a bit miles, and this is the reason why you dont see the patron st george flag flying much in the uk, is because of all the different old kingdoms that make up the england.
i missed a bit miles, and this is the reason why you dont see the patron st george flag flying much in the uk, is because of all the different old kingdoms that make up the england. southy
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2:56am Wed 3 Feb 10

clausentum says...

southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters.
secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter.
and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle.
the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.
Have you ever had a MRI scan??

sw = mind-okay

You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap![/p][/quote]miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters. secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter. and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle. the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.[/p][/quote]Have you ever had a MRI scan?? sw = mind-okay You cannot make up this stuff. ;-) clausentum
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8:41am Wed 3 Feb 10

Looney Cleo says...

I don't think this is racist, I would just like to get into a taxi that the driver can speak to me in English and also I don't have to explain where I'm going and also how to get there. I don't know who gives out these drivers there licence but I would like to bet that they haven't been tested properly, or there is somebody doing the test for these non english speaking drivers.
I don't think this is racist, I would just like to get into a taxi that the driver can speak to me in English and also I don't have to explain where I'm going and also how to get there. I don't know who gives out these drivers there licence but I would like to bet that they haven't been tested properly, or there is somebody doing the test for these non english speaking drivers. Looney Cleo
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9:48am Wed 3 Feb 10

bassettgirl says...

The council have really gone too far now! The latest is that drivers are going to have to remove all stickers from their cars, including "Help for Heroes" stickers and would you believe Poppies. These are both inportant charities that I can't see would offend anyone. If it does offend people then they should go elsewhere.
Someone higher in the council needs to step in and sort this out because there is obviously a big problem with foreign drivers, I have had experience of this in my job. Where I work when a child reaches a certain age we are allowed to send them home in a taxi on their own, several times the driver has not understood me, needed to use a sat nav and one didn't even know where Lordshill was. I have also had experience of a foreign driver taking one of my family members who is disabled miles out of the way, she wanted to go from Redbridge hill to the Oxfam shop in Romsey Rd, Shirley, a journey that should take 5 minutes, he took her down Wimpson Lane, along Millbrook and up Regents Park. Either he didn't know where he was going or he was trying to get more money from her. WAKE UP SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL - YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM ON YOUR HANDS!!!!!!!!!!
The council have really gone too far now! The latest is that drivers are going to have to remove all stickers from their cars, including "Help for Heroes" stickers and would you believe Poppies. These are both inportant charities that I can't see would offend anyone. If it does offend people then they should go elsewhere. Someone higher in the council needs to step in and sort this out because there is obviously a big problem with foreign drivers, I have had experience of this in my job. Where I work when a child reaches a certain age we are allowed to send them home in a taxi on their own, several times the driver has not understood me, needed to use a sat nav and one didn't even know where Lordshill was. I have also had experience of a foreign driver taking one of my family members who is disabled miles out of the way, she wanted to go from Redbridge hill to the Oxfam shop in Romsey Rd, Shirley, a journey that should take 5 minutes, he took her down Wimpson Lane, along Millbrook and up Regents Park. Either he didn't know where he was going or he was trying to get more money from her. WAKE UP SOUTHAMPTON CITY COUNCIL - YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM ON YOUR HANDS!!!!!!!!!! bassettgirl
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11:42am Wed 3 Feb 10

King Mush says...

I've noticed that, due to the price of petrol- most taxi drivers now take the SHORTEST route!
I've noticed that, due to the price of petrol- most taxi drivers now take the SHORTEST route! King Mush
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11:43am Wed 3 Feb 10

King Mush says...

PS

I prefer taxis to local buses. The last time I got on one I tripped over a couple on the stairs..........
PS I prefer taxis to local buses. The last time I got on one I tripped over a couple on the stairs.......... King Mush
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11:53am Wed 3 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

clausentum wrote:
southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters.
secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter.
and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle.
the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.
Have you ever had a MRI scan??

sw = mind-okay

You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)
Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless.
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap![/p][/quote]miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters. secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter. and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle. the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.[/p][/quote]Have you ever had a MRI scan?? sw = mind-okay You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)[/p][/quote]Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless. Miles Way
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12:10pm Wed 3 Feb 10

7saint7 says...

we live in such a sad world when english men can't hold there head up high with pride with out upseting some nob. get a life sad people and leave us in peace . i get taxi's often most taxi driver's don't speak english very well or drive that well. thank god for sat-nav coz they used to take you all over the place. now i have noth taxi cards from driver's who i like that i just call them .
we live in such a sad world when english men can't hold there head up high with pride with out upseting some nob. get a life sad people and leave us in peace . i get taxi's often most taxi driver's don't speak english very well or drive that well. thank god for sat-nav coz they used to take you all over the place. now i have noth taxi cards from driver's who i like that i just call them . 7saint7
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12:39pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

Miles Way wrote:
clausentum wrote:
southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters.
secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter.
and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle.
the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.
Have you ever had a MRI scan??

sw = mind-okay

You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)
Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless.
miles and clausentum, if you go down to cornwall, what is the mostly likely or more often flag you see there, i can tell you now its not the union flag nor is it st george flag, the most popular flag is there own a white cross on a black field.
google it before you put both feet in it.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap![/p][/quote]miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters. secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter. and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle. the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.[/p][/quote]Have you ever had a MRI scan?? sw = mind-okay You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)[/p][/quote]Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless.[/p][/quote]miles and clausentum, if you go down to cornwall, what is the mostly likely or more often flag you see there, i can tell you now its not the union flag nor is it st george flag, the most popular flag is there own a white cross on a black field. google it before you put both feet in it. southy
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12:56pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
clausentum wrote:
southy wrote:
Miles Way wrote:
southy wrote:
miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.
PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans.
My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap!
miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters.
secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter.
and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle.
the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.
Have you ever had a MRI scan??

sw = mind-okay

You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)
Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless.
miles and clausentum, if you go down to cornwall, what is the mostly likely or more often flag you see there, i can tell you now its not the union flag nor is it st george flag, the most popular flag is there own a white cross on a black field.
google it before you put both feet in it.
Southy, forgetting provincial flags, of which Cornwall's is one, the national flag of England is the George Cross. This doesn't mean local flags can't be flown and regions are becoming increasingly proud of their identity which is a good thing IMO, but (and you might like to take your own advice and Google it) the George Cross is and remains the flag of England.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles may i point out to you, the flag of st david is not used by the welsh very often, why because its a flag to a patron st, has is the flag of st andrew, st patrick, st george they are not national flags, 3 of those 4 countrys has there own flag, england is different it has regional flags, why because england is made up by a number of kingdoms, ireland dont use the st patrick flag they use a tri-colour flag. even scotland has another flag.[/p][/quote]PMSL Southy, ignoring the irrelevant history lesson please open your eyes; for a true nationalisitic "flag-fest" watch the 6 nations rugby games over the coming weeks - I doubt you'll see a single Union flag amongst the fans. My point stands, this is the English national flag being used as prudent advertising; good news for those of us who would like to know that the person we trust to drive us home is at least able to speak and understand the language of the country in which he/she is working. Those seeking to dress it as a racist issue need a jolly good slap![/p][/quote]miles first thing first, all taxi drivers have taken a test, a test that is in english, some times accents can be a bit of a problem, that i will agree on. there is a lot of bs on here mainly by the multi name posters. secondly the union flag would be more apt to use, has they speak english in wales scotland ireland and a number of other commonwealth countrys ie canada plus the usa. all you need to see is the union logo with out the writing. you go to other countrys like some supermarkets you dont see the st george flag you see the union flag this tells every one thats from an english speaking country. that english can be spoken at this counter. and yes you do see the union flag at the 6 nations rugby you also see it at the world union rugby. and normally you see england writen across the middle. the st george flag is not the english national flag, its a patron saint flag, england dont have a single flag, because england is made up from loads of old kingdoms ie white dragon on a black field cornwall, theres 2 kingdoms i name for you. cornwall also have another flag that it use most of the time. a white cross on a black field.[/p][/quote]Have you ever had a MRI scan?? sw = mind-okay You cannot make up this stuff. ;-)[/p][/quote]Yes he can CLausentum, worse, he believes what he posts. Bless.[/p][/quote]miles and clausentum, if you go down to cornwall, what is the mostly likely or more often flag you see there, i can tell you now its not the union flag nor is it st george flag, the most popular flag is there own a white cross on a black field. google it before you put both feet in it.[/p][/quote]Southy, forgetting provincial flags, of which Cornwall's is one, the national flag of England is the George Cross. This doesn't mean local flags can't be flown and regions are becoming increasingly proud of their identity which is a good thing IMO, but (and you might like to take your own advice and Google it) the George Cross is and remains the flag of England. Miles Way
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1:39pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

the george cross is not national flag, it is the patron saint flag of england and is used in the national flag the union flag. the st george cross has more in common in a region of france and other places, than it do here, wales has the st david cross whitch it to is used in the national flag, but they have there own country flag flag to, a red dragon on a upper white and lower green field, scotland is the same they have there own flag too rarely seen, but there is a red lion, on a yellow field, ireland is a harp with arrows on a grren field, there is no true english flag, because england is made up from loads of kingdoms.
the george cross is not national flag, it is the patron saint flag of england and is used in the national flag the union flag. the st george cross has more in common in a region of france and other places, than it do here, wales has the st david cross whitch it to is used in the national flag, but they have there own country flag flag to, a red dragon on a upper white and lower green field, scotland is the same they have there own flag too rarely seen, but there is a red lion, on a yellow field, ireland is a harp with arrows on a grren field, there is no true english flag, because england is made up from loads of kingdoms. southy
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2:17pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
the george cross is not national flag, it is the patron saint flag of england and is used in the national flag the union flag. the st george cross has more in common in a region of france and other places, than it do here, wales has the st david cross whitch it to is used in the national flag, but they have there own country flag flag to, a red dragon on a upper white and lower green field, scotland is the same they have there own flag too rarely seen, but there is a red lion, on a yellow field, ireland is a harp with arrows on a grren field, there is no true english flag, because england is made up from loads of kingdoms.
As I said, go do some research Southy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: the george cross is not national flag, it is the patron saint flag of england and is used in the national flag the union flag. the st george cross has more in common in a region of france and other places, than it do here, wales has the st david cross whitch it to is used in the national flag, but they have there own country flag flag to, a red dragon on a upper white and lower green field, scotland is the same they have there own flag too rarely seen, but there is a red lion, on a yellow field, ireland is a harp with arrows on a grren field, there is no true english flag, because england is made up from loads of kingdoms.[/p][/quote]As I said, go do some research Southy. Miles Way
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3:01pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Treas says...

My previous posting was removed, so here goes again... All drivers, whether tax drivers or not, should place a notice in their cars saying "Driver Speaks English. Lets drive to clean up Southampton". That way our PC council will concentrate on important things like supporting the cruise and tourist industries, rather than wasting time on PC nonsense. Southampton streets are a disgrace, and all the Council can do is rake up matters such as this, aided by this rubbish newspaper.
My previous posting was removed, so here goes again... All drivers, whether tax drivers or not, should place a notice in their cars saying "Driver Speaks English. Lets drive to clean up Southampton". That way our PC council will concentrate on important things like supporting the cruise and tourist industries, rather than wasting time on PC nonsense. Southampton streets are a disgrace, and all the Council can do is rake up matters such as this, aided by this rubbish newspaper. Treas
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3:03pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Treas says...

My previous posting was removed, so here goes again... All drivers, whether taxi drivers or not, should place a notice in their cars saying "Driver Speaks English. Lets drive to clean up Southampton". That way our PC council will concentrate on important things like supporting the cruise and tourist industries, rather than wasting time on PC nonsense. Southampton streets are a disgrace, and all the Council can do is rake up matters such as this, aided by this rubbish newspaper.
My previous posting was removed, so here goes again... All drivers, whether taxi drivers or not, should place a notice in their cars saying "Driver Speaks English. Lets drive to clean up Southampton". That way our PC council will concentrate on important things like supporting the cruise and tourist industries, rather than wasting time on PC nonsense. Southampton streets are a disgrace, and all the Council can do is rake up matters such as this, aided by this rubbish newspaper. Treas
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3:04pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

your the one showing lack of knowledge miles. and the one that really needs to do some real deep research, england is not the only country that has st george has a patron st. go to the library for the info, and not the web on this one, has like all ways web pages are a copy from other web pages and errors are made but never corrected. look up he herity banners flags and banners that be a good start for you. happy reading
your the one showing lack of knowledge miles. and the one that really needs to do some real deep research, england is not the only country that has st george has a patron st. go to the library for the info, and not the web on this one, has like all ways web pages are a copy from other web pages and errors are made but never corrected. look up he herity banners flags and banners that be a good start for you. happy reading southy
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3:26pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Howardjo says...

I once called a taxi firm in Soton, and was told they couldn't pick me up because i didn't know the postcode of where i stayed, and the foreign cabbies wouldn't be able to find me with their sat-nav's! - i mean, come on! what a joke! i was only in woolston! Seriously, not only should it be mandatory they speak English, they should also know the bloody area!
I once called a taxi firm in Soton, and was told they couldn't pick me up because i didn't know the postcode of where i stayed, and the foreign cabbies wouldn't be able to find me with their sat-nav's! - i mean, come on! what a joke! i was only in woolston! Seriously, not only should it be mandatory they speak English, they should also know the bloody area! Howardjo
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3:30pm Wed 3 Feb 10

B. L. says...

Miles Way wrote:
Southampton Heart wrote:
What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?.
No, but with an increasing number of idiots in positions of power it's only a matter of time...
Absolutely right of course, it's just how much time it will be. With all the PC and Human Rights freaks it won't be long, mainly because if "someone" doesn't like the way things are going then they pull the race card. Trouble is, they know all too well that there are many sycophantic idiots that will pander to their every whim.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Way[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southampton Heart[/bold] wrote: What is happening to our Country?...have we been taken over already?.[/p][/quote]No, but with an increasing number of idiots in positions of power it's only a matter of time...[/p][/quote]Absolutely right of course, it's just how much time it will be. With all the PC and Human Rights freaks it won't be long, mainly because if "someone" doesn't like the way things are going then they pull the race card. Trouble is, they know all too well that there are many sycophantic idiots that will pander to their every whim. B. L.
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3:39pm Wed 3 Feb 10

Miles Way says...

southy wrote:
your the one showing lack of knowledge miles. and the one that really needs to do some real deep research, england is not the only country that has st george has a patron st. go to the library for the info, and not the web on this one, has like all ways web pages are a copy from other web pages and errors are made but never corrected. look up he herity banners flags and banners that be a good start for you. happy reading
Southy, did anyone say George was exclusive to England? No.
Argue away, there are many provincial flags like Cornwall's but the St George Cross is the English flag.
I'm sure you know this but if not the flag of the Union is more recent & includes Scotland Wales & NI & symbolises the unity of those countries, however each retains it's own individual country flag.
I know full well the confused and shared history of the St Georges flag or specifically the simple red cross on a white background, dating back to crusader times. It is used as the English flag although England has no exclusive claim to it.
Curiously Montreal which isn't too far from me uses the same flag with 4 other emblems in the white sections for English/Scots/French and Irish - looks very nice, actually nicer than the St George flag, but as I am English and proud of it I fly the St George Cross - over here it's not uncommon to see English, Scottish & Welsh national flags (seldom the Union flag) and others flown outside houses; it seems ex-pats are often more proud to be noticed for their nationality than in their own country of origin?
Given the furore over this I'm not surprised - the tragedy is that something we should as Englishmen be proud of (as the Scots/Welsh are of theirs) has been hijacked by right wing groups - this is something the lawmakers must address.
Now, a bit of trivia, as I'm in Nova Scotia good manners dictates my St George's flag is flown beneath the Canadian national flag and would be below the Nova Scotia provincial flag (very similar to Scotland's) if I had one of those - then again I'd need a bigger flagpole to do that!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: your the one showing lack of knowledge miles. and the one that really needs to do some real deep research, england is not the only country that has st george has a patron st. go to the library for the info, and not the web on this one, has like all ways web pages are a copy from other web pages and errors are made but never corrected. look up he herity banners flags and banners that be a good start for you. happy reading[/p][/quote]Southy, did anyone say George was exclusive to England? No. Argue away, there are many provincial flags like Cornwall's but the St George Cross is the English flag. I'm sure you know this but if not the flag of the Union is more recent & includes Scotland Wales & NI & symbolises the unity of those countries, however each retains it's own individual country flag. I know full well the confused and shared history of the St Georges flag or specifically the simple red cross on a white background, dating back to crusader times. It is used as the English flag although England has no exclusive claim to it. Curiously Montreal which isn't too far from me uses the same flag with 4 other emblems in the white sections for English/Scots/French and Irish - looks very nice, actually nicer than the St George flag, but as I am English and proud of it I fly the St George Cross - over here it's not uncommon to see English, Scottish & Welsh national flags (seldom the Union flag) and others flown outside houses; it seems ex-pats are often more proud to be noticed for their nationality than in their own country of origin? Given the furore over this I'm not surprised - the tragedy is that something we should as Englishmen be proud of (as the Scots/Welsh are of theirs) has been hijacked by right wing groups - this is something the lawmakers must address. Now, a bit of trivia, as I'm in Nova Scotia good manners dictates my St George's flag is flown beneath the Canadian national flag and would be below the Nova Scotia provincial flag (very similar to Scotland's) if I had one of those - then again I'd need a bigger flagpole to do that! Miles Way
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3:51pm Wed 3 Feb 10

X Old Bill says...

Southy;
You are confusing Banners with flags.
The colours of St George were used from the days when St George was adopted as the patron Saint of England, around the time of the Venerable Bede and became confirmed under the unified crown of Alfred.
The colours were flown by merchant ships trading with mainland Europe to show that they were not Barbarians.
The same colours were also adopted by the so called Crusaders when Pope Urban called them to arms at the end of the 11th Century. Those from England 'taking up the cross' used their own established cross on their surcoats. Later they applied it to shields and still later to flags. One Hundred years later Richard Coeur de lion wore the same colours on the 3rd crusade.
He was also the first English King to adopt the Arms of England consisting of Three gold lions passant (or trippant) on a red field.
This is the basis of the Banner of England.
The red lion Rampant of a gold field has been the Banner of Scotland since 1165.
Neither of these is a 'flag'.
The significant part about the current use of the Cross of St George is in its former use by the Crusaders fighting the tide Islam heading towards them, maybe if the current 'crusaders' were intelligent enough they would see the irony of it all. But I don't suppose they even know what the word crusade means.
Southy; You are confusing Banners with flags. The colours of St George were used from the days when St George was adopted as the patron Saint of England, around the time of the Venerable Bede and became confirmed under the unified crown of Alfred. The colours were flown by merchant ships trading with mainland Europe to show that they were not Barbarians. The same colours were also adopted by the so called Crusaders when Pope Urban called them to arms at the end of the 11th Century. Those from England 'taking up the cross' used their own established cross on their surcoats. Later they applied it to shields and still later to flags. One Hundred years later Richard Coeur de lion wore the same colours on the 3rd crusade. He was also the first English King to adopt the Arms of England consisting of Three gold lions passant (or trippant) on a red field. This is the basis of the Banner of England. The red lion Rampant of a gold field has been the Banner of Scotland since 1165. Neither of these is a 'flag'. The significant part about the current use of the Cross of St George is in its former use by the Crusaders fighting the tide Islam heading towards them, maybe if the current 'crusaders' were intelligent enough they would see the irony of it all. But I don't suppose they even know what the word crusade means. X Old Bill
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5:16pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

miles you can get away with it by having a cross spar.

it not a provincial flag like cornwall, but old kingdoms that made up england.
st george was a muslim about 600ad who stop the flow of the pagan gods spreading to far east wards.
richard was not a an true english king but a french one, who brought back the st george cross, when john became king the st george cross disapared and it was henry the viii who reinterduce it again it stay till just after queen beth i then it went again and never show up again till the first union flag 1700's and later the st david cross was added that gives us the union flag of today.

old bill
king alfred never used the red cross on a white field, alfred went under the wessex flag the yellow dragon on a red field, even lo alfred was born out side wessex, it was wessex that made him king of the saxons and untied the saxon kingdoms for the first time and later the danes kingdoms.
pope urban another frenchman used the cross is right but the top part had the letter p and the field colour well it was any colour a lot did not have any colour at all or they used the sign of fish.
the lions are french to another french king richard father henry, you need to remember at this era of time the saxons was being suppress by the southern french kings.
miles you can get away with it by having a cross spar. it not a provincial flag like cornwall, but old kingdoms that made up england. st george was a muslim about 600ad who stop the flow of the pagan gods spreading to far east wards. richard was not a an true english king but a french one, who brought back the st george cross, when john became king the st george cross disapared and it was henry the viii who reinterduce it again it stay till just after queen beth i then it went again and never show up again till the first union flag 1700's and later the st david cross was added that gives us the union flag of today. old bill king alfred never used the red cross on a white field, alfred went under the wessex flag the yellow dragon on a red field, even lo alfred was born out side wessex, it was wessex that made him king of the saxons and untied the saxon kingdoms for the first time and later the danes kingdoms. pope urban another frenchman used the cross is right but the top part had the letter p and the field colour well it was any colour a lot did not have any colour at all or they used the sign of fish. the lions are french to another french king richard father henry, you need to remember at this era of time the saxons was being suppress by the southern french kings. southy
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5:20pm Wed 3 Feb 10

chrisorann says...

I dont care what race, colour or creed they are they MUST be able to speak GOOD ENGLISH to drive a cab in ENGLAND!!!! Why not have a notice up. The notice is not racist its peoples thoughts and actions and you will never get evey body to accept that other races are the same as we are and have a right to be on the planet. I add that anybody doing a job in this country must be able to speak good english.
I dont care what race, colour or creed they are they MUST be able to speak GOOD ENGLISH to drive a cab in ENGLAND!!!! Why not have a notice up. The notice is not racist its peoples thoughts and actions and you will never get evey body to accept that other races are the same as we are and have a right to be on the planet. I add that anybody doing a job in this country must be able to speak good english. chrisorann
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6:48pm Wed 3 Feb 10

X Old Bill says...

southy wrote:
miles you can get away with it by having a cross spar.

it not a provincial flag like cornwall, but old kingdoms that made up england.
st george was a muslim about 600ad who stop the flow of the pagan gods spreading to far east wards.
richard was not a an true english king but a french one, who brought back the st george cross, when john became king the st george cross disapared and it was henry the viii who reinterduce it again it stay till just after queen beth i then it went again and never show up again till the first union flag 1700's and later the st david cross was added that gives us the union flag of today.

old bill
king alfred never used the red cross on a white field, alfred went under the wessex flag the yellow dragon on a red field, even lo alfred was born out side wessex, it was wessex that made him king of the saxons and untied the saxon kingdoms for the first time and later the danes kingdoms.
pope urban another frenchman used the cross is right but the top part had the letter p and the field colour well it was any colour a lot did not have any colour at all or they used the sign of fish.
the lions are french to another french king richard father henry, you need to remember at this era of time the saxons was being suppress by the southern french kings.
St George was a Christian, born of a Christian family in Turkey in the 3rd Century. He Served as a Roman soldier and was put to death for not renouncing Christianity. So certainly prior to Constantine the Great. - You must be thinking of another Saint George!
You are still confusing Banners with Flags, the Wessex Wyvern is a banner.
England was under Norman rule from 1066, Primogeniture was not strictly followed I accept but some form of succession gave England Richard I.
The Normans controlled, at that time, large parts of what we now call France and Italy. Neither country existed then.

Enough now, this is all off topic!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: miles you can get away with it by having a cross spar. it not a provincial flag like cornwall, but old kingdoms that made up england. st george was a muslim about 600ad who stop the flow of the pagan gods spreading to far east wards. richard was not a an true english king but a french one, who brought back the st george cross, when john became king the st george cross disapared and it was henry the viii who reinterduce it again it stay till just after queen beth i then it went again and never show up again till the first union flag 1700's and later the st david cross was added that gives us the union flag of today. old bill king alfred never used the red cross on a white field, alfred went under the wessex flag the yellow dragon on a red field, even lo alfred was born out side wessex, it was wessex that made him king of the saxons and untied the saxon kingdoms for the first time and later the danes kingdoms. pope urban another frenchman used the cross is right but the top part had the letter p and the field colour well it was any colour a lot did not have any colour at all or they used the sign of fish. the lions are french to another french king richard father henry, you need to remember at this era of time the saxons was being suppress by the southern french kings.[/p][/quote]St George was a Christian, born of a Christian family in Turkey in the 3rd Century. He Served as a Roman soldier and was put to death for not renouncing Christianity. So certainly prior to Constantine the Great. - You must be thinking of another Saint George! You are still confusing Banners with Flags, the Wessex Wyvern is a banner. England was under Norman rule from 1066, Primogeniture was not strictly followed I accept but some form of succession gave England Richard I. The Normans controlled, at that time, large parts of what we now call France and Italy. Neither country existed then. Enough now, this is all off topic! X Old Bill
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7:37pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

the wyvern dont belong to wessex it belongs to another king who was born out side of wessex king althelstan of mercia. the first true king of all of england, who later was made a saint. because he turn this country from pagan and orthodox to roman catholic.
this era is very complex history.
at the time of 1066 there was another king of england edar who was the last male in line in the house of wessex. who the normans made an outlaw. and became known has edar the outlaw 1066 to 1126.
norman kings william i and william ii (rufus) spent there time here in england, after this henry i spend his time in the southern france kingdoms, king steven in england. then richard i spent his time in s/france, king john in england, then from henry ii to richard ii (5 kings in a row) all spent most of there time in southern france. now you can see why the red cross disapeared from england and would only be used if the kings made a visit. like when edward i ( longshanks ) came here to put down the scotish rebellion, they was not interest in england apart from getting more troops and tax money.
the wyvern dont belong to wessex it belongs to another king who was born out side of wessex king althelstan of mercia. the first true king of all of england, who later was made a saint. because he turn this country from pagan and orthodox to roman catholic. this era is very complex history. at the time of 1066 there was another king of england edar who was the last male in line in the house of wessex. who the normans made an outlaw. and became known has edar the outlaw 1066 to 1126. norman kings william i and william ii (rufus) spent there time here in england, after this henry i spend his time in the southern france kingdoms, king steven in england. then richard i spent his time in s/france, king john in england, then from henry ii to richard ii (5 kings in a row) all spent most of there time in southern france. now you can see why the red cross disapeared from england and would only be used if the kings made a visit. like when edward i ( longshanks ) came here to put down the scotish rebellion, they was not interest in england apart from getting more troops and tax money. southy
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8:08pm Wed 3 Feb 10

X Old Bill says...

southy wrote:
the wyvern dont belong to wessex it belongs to another king who was born out side of wessex king althelstan of mercia. the first true king of all of england, who later was made a saint. because he turn this country from pagan and orthodox to roman catholic.
this era is very complex history.
at the time of 1066 there was another king of england edar who was the last male in line in the house of wessex. who the normans made an outlaw. and became known has edar the outlaw 1066 to 1126.
norman kings william i and william ii (rufus) spent there time here in england, after this henry i spend his time in the southern france kingdoms, king steven in england. then richard i spent his time in s/france, king john in england, then from henry ii to richard ii (5 kings in a row) all spent most of there time in southern france. now you can see why the red cross disapeared from england and would only be used if the kings made a visit. like when edward i ( longshanks ) came here to put down the scotish rebellion, they was not interest in england apart from getting more troops and tax money.
Perhaps you meant to type 'Edgar the Aetheling'. He was never crowned.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: the wyvern dont belong to wessex it belongs to another king who was born out side of wessex king althelstan of mercia. the first true king of all of england, who later was made a saint. because he turn this country from pagan and orthodox to roman catholic. this era is very complex history. at the time of 1066 there was another king of england edar who was the last male in line in the house of wessex. who the normans made an outlaw. and became known has edar the outlaw 1066 to 1126. norman kings william i and william ii (rufus) spent there time here in england, after this henry i spend his time in the southern france kingdoms, king steven in england. then richard i spent his time in s/france, king john in england, then from henry ii to richard ii (5 kings in a row) all spent most of there time in southern france. now you can see why the red cross disapeared from england and would only be used if the kings made a visit. like when edward i ( longshanks ) came here to put down the scotish rebellion, they was not interest in england apart from getting more troops and tax money.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you meant to type 'Edgar the Aetheling'. He was never crowned. X Old Bill
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10:41pm Wed 3 Feb 10

southy says...

edgar the outlaw was crowned but not in the south, he was crowned king in a abbey in northen england.
edgar the outlaw was crowned but not in the south, he was crowned king in a abbey in northen england. southy
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12:08pm Thu 4 Feb 10

southy says...

i never replied to the other part the st george part i need to do a bit of checking.
there was indeed more than one st george 3 all together, well 3 that i have found, but the one you was on about is not the patron saint of england. what gave me a reason to check up on was a small error you made. the one you are on about came from that region before turkey was formed.
the one that is a patron saint of england was indeed a muslim an early one, not long after muslim prophet died in 632 ad.
st george and the dragon. the dragon part is the pagan forces coming in from western europe, coming in to finish off what was left of the western roman empire. but only to be stop by a muslim force.
i never replied to the other part the st george part i need to do a bit of checking. there was indeed more than one st george 3 all together, well 3 that i have found, but the one you was on about is not the patron saint of england. what gave me a reason to check up on was a small error you made. the one you are on about came from that region before turkey was formed. the one that is a patron saint of england was indeed a muslim an early one, not long after muslim prophet died in 632 ad. st george and the dragon. the dragon part is the pagan forces coming in from western europe, coming in to finish off what was left of the western roman empire. but only to be stop by a muslim force. southy
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