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9:40am Tuesday 23rd February 2010 in News
By Andrew Napier, Winchester Chief Reporter
SUPERMARKET campaigners have launched a counter-offensive in their battle against a Sainsbury’s in Bishop’s Waltham.
Bishop’s Waltham’s Action Group (BWAG) says a majority of the town does not want a new supermarket on the Abbey Mill site.
An army of volunteers has been dropping leaflets through front doors in the town and surrounding villages.
In their response to Sainsbury’s most recent consultation, BWAG argues that Sainsbury’s cannot provide credible evidence for any need for a superstore. It says there are 120 supermarkets within a ten-mile radius, including eight Sainsbury’s stores. BWAG also says most Bishop’s Waltham residents are against the store.
It also argues that although jobs will be created, more will be lost in other businesses.
BWAG’s research team discovered that the existing supermarkets in Bishop’s Waltham are no more expensive than the big four supermarket companies.
This research was based on a national personal finance magazine’s shopping basket research.
The group also says the the estimated 30,000 car journeys per week on the four B-class feeder roads leading to the two roundabouts either side of the historic Palace ruins will cause massive hold-ups.
Henry Fryer, chairman of BWAG said: “Sainsbury’s have yet to convince Bishop’s Waltham residents that this store is needed or wanted.
“There are better uses for the Abbey Mill site for which the town has greater need: more affordable housing, a return to light industrial use or recreational facilities would all have greater social benefit.”
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Ragworm
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10:24am Tue 23 Feb 10
championez
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10:42am Tue 23 Feb 10
Ted Rogers
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Northamboy
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11:01am Tue 23 Feb 10
Ragworm
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11:10am Tue 23 Feb 10
Northamboy wrote:How will it become the next hedge end?.
If this supermarket comes to town Bishops Waltham will become the next Hedge End and we all know what a mess that is nowadays. It used to be a nice quiet place but in come the shops and more housing follows. Bishops Waltham does not need a Sainsburys. All the 'local' people who want it are the newcomers who moved there because it was nice and quiet and now wants to change it. If they want a Sainsburys move to the town of little boxes all looking the same called Hedge End
Common
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11:29am Tue 23 Feb 10
Ted Rogers
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11:44am Tue 23 Feb 10
Ragworm
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12:10pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Ted Rogers wrote:Fair point Ted, i can see you are looking out for residents interest.
Ragworm wrote:There we have it. A man bereft of any creativity or objective thought. Great reposte with negatives and no other solutions. How about homes for people who were born in the town (not village) but cannot afford to remain when it's time leave the parental home? How about a really good leisure facility with multi uses for the older and younger inhabitants of Bishops Waltham? See where I'm going with this?Ted Rogers wrote:What are you moaning about.?. You got your bowling green grandad. How does apposing a supermarket benefit the community at large?. Lets leave the site empty shall we?. Or maybe build more flats for people who can't afford them.Ragworm wrote:I think you are the one who should move MORON,or get behind a scheme that benefits the community at large, not a handful of selfish individuals looking to save a few pence. As BWAG rightly states there are far better alternatives for that site than a supermarket. You won't see that though because it's all about you as you demonstrate. "i couldnt give a stuff if the local shops suffer" One for the community aren't you! Idiot. What's next KFC or Macdonalds on the site of the palace?Ted Rogers wrote: You know that you are in the minority, if you were to open your eyes and try to look past your me me me attitude you may well be able to add constructively to the debate. Why should every local community have a superstore in it's midst? If you want to eradicate a 15 mile round trip to a supermarket, move to Hedge End or West End. Ask yourself why you moved to BW and then envisage it 2 years down the line after a corporate giant with no social ethic or responsibility has a stranglehold on trade. Bishops Waltham throughout its history has been a small market town, how about trying to preserve some history and tradition rather than worry about a tin of beans being 2p cheaper. Short sightedness will cost all residents of BW in the long run.I WAS BORN HERE !!! "throughout its history has been a small market town" F*** me man get out of the 18 hundreds. History and tradition went ages ago, when the old dukes mill was knocked down for FLATS, and the Little Chef was knocked down for FLATS. And the Chippy Knocked down for FLATS.. The Tyrella squash club knocked down for FLATS. And all the houses being knocked down to stuff 30 FLATS in their back garden. A growing population needs more facilities , simple. Lets build something WE need and i couldnt give a stuff if the local shops suffer, we could do with more hairdressers and estate agents!!!. The only shop worth anything to the community is HYLANDS, and i have no doubt that will continue to thrive. Christ sake what is there in the high street that will suffer?. The wine shop?..NO because that is already being screwed over bu Coop and One stop.ok so moving up the street..Kitchen shop..NO..Kings Church..NO..Little butchers..maybe but will have loyal trade who can actually afford to shop there..hardware store .NO. should i go on untill i find a decent shop??.. The truth is , there isn't one. So don't be a div TED and if you don't like it why don't you move to Waltham chase.
Ken Hutchinson
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12:15pm Tue 23 Feb 10
bigronthestaff
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12:24pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Ken Hutchinson wrote:That depends on whether you class yourself as a ''rent-a-gob'' Ken!!! =) I'm sure you don't!! =)
"3. The usual rent-a-gob forum users who feel they HAVE to comment on everything put their oar in and as usual, are talking rubbish, but it gets them some attention." The comments section would be pretty dull even redundant, if individuals didn't feel compelled to comment.......hope this doesn't confirm me as an attention seeking,rubbish talking oar putter inner!
Stupideditor
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4:58pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Ted Rogers wrote:I agree with you 110% if sainsburys were that desperate to put in a store then the buyout of the budgens store would have benefited. Why ruin the lovely surroundings and wildlife of Bishops waltham with a large building like this one. Bishops waltham used to pride itself with community and the wildlife of the pond, this will all be lost.
Good for BWAG - There is no need for another supermarket in Bishops Waltham and as they indicate, that site could be put to far better use. If Sainsburys are so intent on having a presence in Bishops Waltham why don't they exercise their corporate muscle and buy the Budgen store. The area's road infrastructure cannot support the proposed store and without doubt it will have far more negatives than positives for the residents of Bishops Waltham
Ragworm
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6:11pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Stupideditor wrote:Have you even seen the proposed building??.
Ted Rogers wrote: Good for BWAG - There is no need for another supermarket in Bishops Waltham and as they indicate, that site could be put to far better use. If Sainsburys are so intent on having a presence in Bishops Waltham why don't they exercise their corporate muscle and buy the Budgen store. The area's road infrastructure cannot support the proposed store and without doubt it will have far more negatives than positives for the residents of Bishops WalthamI agree with you 110% if sainsburys were that desperate to put in a store then the buyout of the budgens store would have benefited. Why ruin the lovely surroundings and wildlife of Bishops waltham with a large building like this one. Bishops waltham used to pride itself with community and the wildlife of the pond, this will all be lost. Good work BWAG
Stupideditor
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6:22pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Ragworm wrote:I know Bishops waltham very well as used to live there and parents still live in a near by village. The area will turn to trash the village will be practically inpassable, there is plenty of wildlife in and around the pond and down the old railway line.
Stupideditor wrote:Have you even seen the proposed building??. Or seen where it will be situated?.?. And wildlife??..what wildlife is there on a disused bus depot?. Really now come on?. Stop jumping on the Liberal bandwagon. There are proposals in place to make the area better , at the moment it is run down and not used. Next time you drive through BW take a detour behind the pond and then make a judgement. Bad work BWAG B-oring W-hingers A-gainst G-rowthTed Rogers wrote: Good for BWAG - There is no need for another supermarket in Bishops Waltham and as they indicate, that site could be put to far better use. If Sainsburys are so intent on having a presence in Bishops Waltham why don't they exercise their corporate muscle and buy the Budgen store. The area's road infrastructure cannot support the proposed store and without doubt it will have far more negatives than positives for the residents of Bishops WalthamI agree with you 110% if sainsburys were that desperate to put in a store then the buyout of the budgens store would have benefited. Why ruin the lovely surroundings and wildlife of Bishops waltham with a large building like this one. Bishops waltham used to pride itself with community and the wildlife of the pond, this will all be lost. Good work BWAG
Ragworm
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6:37pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Stupideditor wrote:Think you are getting BW confused with somewhere else.
Ragworm wrote:I know Bishops waltham very well as used to live there and parents still live in a near by village. The area will turn to trash the village will be practically inpassable, there is plenty of wildlife in and around the pond and down the old railway line. It won't be long, with the building of low cost housing, that all green space between BW and Hedge end will have gone and farming pushed out of the Village, to which sainburys won't be using their products and supporting local produce. Yes I have seen the plans and will look like a blot on the landscape, a windturbine would look better! Bishops waltham has an inceasing drinking problem the allocation of this suppermarket will only encourage more drink related crime and then the residents will complain, which will them be far too late. Keep the beauty of Bishops Waltham don't destroy it.Stupideditor wrote:Have you even seen the proposed building??. Or seen where it will be situated?.?. And wildlife??..what wildlife is there on a disused bus depot?. Really now come on?. Stop jumping on the Liberal bandwagon. There are proposals in place to make the area better , at the moment it is run down and not used. Next time you drive through BW take a detour behind the pond and then make a judgement. Bad work BWAG B-oring W-hingers A-gainst G-rowthTed Rogers wrote: Good for BWAG - There is no need for another supermarket in Bishops Waltham and as they indicate, that site could be put to far better use. If Sainsburys are so intent on having a presence in Bishops Waltham why don't they exercise their corporate muscle and buy the Budgen store. The area's road infrastructure cannot support the proposed store and without doubt it will have far more negatives than positives for the residents of Bishops WalthamI agree with you 110% if sainsburys were that desperate to put in a store then the buyout of the budgens store would have benefited. Why ruin the lovely surroundings and wildlife of Bishops waltham with a large building like this one. Bishops waltham used to pride itself with community and the wildlife of the pond, this will all be lost. Good work BWAG
Stupideditor
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Stupideditor
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Ragworm
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8:35pm Tue 23 Feb 10
Stupideditor wrote:Talking out of your Ar$e..
This may sound cornie but to me Bishops Waltham means local business for local people not multi million pound corperation stealing local industry and trading. Bishops waltham and surrounding villages want to support local companies with a choice and not to have large corporation pitches destroy local community
Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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Ragworm
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The Live Guru
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Stupideditor
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Ragworm wrote:Not once have I made a personnal attack at you and i'm not a complete outsider as I said' or has you seive of a brain forgotten, in previous posts my family live in the bishops waltham catchment area and I visit the town on a regular basis.
Stupideditor wrote: This may sound cornie but to me Bishops Waltham means local business for local people not multi million pound corperation stealing local industry and trading. Bishops waltham and surrounding villages want to support local companies with a choice and not to have large corporation pitches destroy local communityTalking out of your Ar$e.. Typical outsiders point of view based on nothing.
Ragworm
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6:27am Wed 24 Feb 10
The Live Guru wrote:Right ok , i assume you are refering to me.
You have displayed a number of real 'Qualities' on this thread. You have no real sense or understanding of community. You try and shout down and abuse people who don't share your view. You then repeatedly post a comment like an immature child would. I think Sainsburys may well be in contact with you concerning their vacancy for a poster boy; you would surely swing it for them! Well done BWAG - Don't let the corporate vultures eradicate the character of your town and ruin the sense of community many feel.
Ragworm
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6:33am Wed 24 Feb 10
Stupideditor wrote:Personal Attack?.."has you seive of a brain forgotten"..
Ragworm wrote:Not once have I made a personnal attack at you and i'm not a complete outsider as I said' or has you seive of a brain forgotten, in previous posts my family live in the bishops waltham catchment area and I visit the town on a regular basis. After typing the same thing 16 times did that sieve of yours turn into a colander and the bigger holes let all forms of human function ran out. Obviously Bishops Waltham means nothing to you in the form of community, environment, business, farming etc. You'd be better of living in Fawley if you like large corporate blots at your front door I think a poster boy will be too complicated for him, more of a trolley collector/ carpark attendent will suite better.Stupideditor wrote: This may sound cornie but to me Bishops Waltham means local business for local people not multi million pound corperation stealing local industry and trading. Bishops waltham and surrounding villages want to support local companies with a choice and not to have large corporation pitches destroy local communityTalking out of your Ar$e.. Typical outsiders point of view based on nothing.
Waysider
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Ragworm
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8:02am Wed 24 Feb 10
Waysider wrote:You don't go anywhere near the Street to get to Corhampton???..
While en-route to the Borders some years back to visit the Grandchildren. I thought that we could make a stop off in Northallerton (N/Yorkshire), as I imagined it to be a quaint old English market town. But alas, on entering the town, the first thing I noticed was a large construction site with the name 'TESCO' on a placard, needless to say "my foot never touched the brake. Thoughts on how to bypass B/W with all the extra trafic while en -route to Corhampton is a poser, with the Street only suitable for one way trafic.
Stupideditor
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8:20am Wed 24 Feb 10
Ragworm wrote:I was born and bought up in Eastways and lived there for 8 years so Bishops Waltham is my hometown and has stamped a very good memory in my mind. Everyone there knew their neighbour, supported/ worked for local business setup by local people.
Stupideditor wrote:Personal Attack?.."has you seive of a brain forgotten".. Good one.. Ok so your family live in the catchment area.???.. And you visit the town...?? So.. that does not make you any part of the community. You are welcome to your opinion of course, but don't try and paint BW like some chocolate box Village, that went decades ago. Its time to serve the community with adequate facilities, a large supermarket is just the start. Stop living in the past,it'll get you nowhere.Ragworm wrote:Not once have I made a personnal attack at you and i'm not a complete outsider as I said' or has you seive of a brain forgotten, in previous posts my family live in the bishops waltham catchment area and I visit the town on a regular basis. After typing the same thing 16 times did that sieve of yours turn into a colander and the bigger holes let all forms of human function ran out. Obviously Bishops Waltham means nothing to you in the form of community, environment, business, farming etc. You'd be better of living in Fawley if you like large corporate blots at your front door I think a poster boy will be too complicated for him, more of a trolley collector/ carpark attendent will suite better.Stupideditor wrote: This may sound cornie but to me Bishops Waltham means local business for local people not multi million pound corperation stealing local industry and trading. Bishops waltham and surrounding villages want to support local companies with a choice and not to have large corporation pitches destroy local communityTalking out of your Ar$e.. Typical outsiders point of view based on nothing.
Ragworm
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8:46am Wed 24 Feb 10
Stupideditor wrote:Oh MY GOD, if you had bothered to read my previous posts you would see i have lived here my whole life.
Ragworm wrote:I was born and bought up in Eastways and lived there for 8 years so Bishops Waltham is my hometown and has stamped a very good memory in my mind. Everyone there knew their neighbour, supported/ worked for local business setup by local people. Then people like you come along wanting more flats and residential buildings and destroy everything this town was built on. This area should be used for something more fitting for Bishops Waltham.Stupideditor wrote:Personal Attack?.."has you seive of a brain forgotten".. Good one.. Ok so your family live in the catchment area.???.. And you visit the town...?? So.. that does not make you any part of the community. You are welcome to your opinion of course, but don't try and paint BW like some chocolate box Village, that went decades ago. Its time to serve the community with adequate facilities, a large supermarket is just the start. Stop living in the past,it'll get you nowhere.Ragworm wrote:Not once have I made a personnal attack at you and i'm not a complete outsider as I said' or has you seive of a brain forgotten, in previous posts my family live in the bishops waltham catchment area and I visit the town on a regular basis. After typing the same thing 16 times did that sieve of yours turn into a colander and the bigger holes let all forms of human function ran out. Obviously Bishops Waltham means nothing to you in the form of community, environment, business, farming etc. You'd be better of living in Fawley if you like large corporate blots at your front door I think a poster boy will be too complicated for him, more of a trolley collector/ carpark attendent will suite better.Stupideditor wrote: This may sound cornie but to me Bishops Waltham means local business for local people not multi million pound corperation stealing local industry and trading. Bishops waltham and surrounding villages want to support local companies with a choice and not to have large corporation pitches destroy local communityTalking out of your Ar$e.. Typical outsiders point of view based on nothing.
Stupideditor
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Ted Rogers says...
10:00am Tue 23 Feb 10
If Sainsburys are so intent on having a presence in Bishops Waltham why don't they exercise their corporate muscle and buy the Budgen store. The area's road infrastructure cannot support the proposed store and without doubt it will have far more negatives than positives for the residents of Bishops Waltham