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HE drives a gold-coloured X-type Jaguar and is paid an allowance of nearly £12,000 as a backbench Hampshire county councillor.
But Tory councillor Geoffrey Hockley has said he will “be forced to sell” his luxury car if made to cut another taxpayer-funded perk – a 53p per mile petrol allowance.
The 70-year-old retired businessman pleaded to keep the generous mileage rate at a meeting of the council while councillors approved budget proposals to slash petrol expenses for thousands of staff next April.
Councillors were under pressure from an independent review panel to cut their petrol mileage rate from 53p to 40p – bringing them in line with the maximum tax-free rate recommended by the Inland Revenue and saving council taxpayers’ £30,000 a year.
They voted to freeze their pay but gave themselves the choice of either claiming 53p or 40p per mile in petrol expenses – a move slammed by union leaders.
Cllr Hockley, who represents Titchfield, said he had treated himself to a Jaguar and the high running costs were unaffordable on a councillor’s allowance and lower mileage rate.
Figures show he claimed £1,402 in petrol expenses for driving his three-year-old Jaguar to council meetings in 2009.
He said: “My car is not unbelievably fuel-efficient.
I accept that but at my age it is probably the last car I will buy and I wanted it to be a nice one. It’s not a Ferrari or a Maserati but one of the more basic cars that Jaguar produce.
Prior to retiring, he worked in Zambia and Kenya as a general sales manager for an American multi-national corporation before working for Trident Trust charity in the UK providing work placements for students.
The father-of-two said the 53p rate was part of the benefits package when he was elected in 2005 and it was unfair to change it.
He said councillors “making political capital” of the issue boosted their income by sitting on other bodies such as district councils, police and fire authorities.
The Conservative-controlled council is looking to find £15m savings as part of the budget for 2010-11.
The cost-cutting drive includes slashing petrol expenses claimed by 7,500 staff who need their cars for work from 53p to 40p –saving £1m in just 12 months.
Negotiations are ongoing between management and unions about a 48p rate for staff earning less than £33,000, including social workers and home helps.
Gina Turner branch secretary of Hampshire Unison said: “Councillors need to lead by example. They can’t have one rule for members and one rule for staff. That’s not fair.
“They can’t say to employees you have to have a petrol mileage rate of 40p to save money but we can do whatever we want. They are the ones looking for efficiency savings. Councillors didn’t vote themselves a pay rise which makes them look good but staff had no choice about their pay being frozen next year or their mileage rates.
It’s rubbing salt in the wound.”
Christine Melsom, chairman of IsItFair anti-council tax group, said: “I am very pleased Cabinet members have decided to accept 40p and I don’t think other councillors should be given any choice but to do the same.
“If Cllr Hockley wants to run a Jaguar and it costs more than 40p per mile than he should pay the extra out of his own pocket and not expect council taxpayers to subsidise his extravagance!”
Liberal Democrat opposition leader Keith House said he was astounded by the Tory opposition to reducing councillors’ mileage allowances – and “impassioned pleas from Jaguar drivers they couldn’t afford to drive their cars.”
He pledged his Lib Dem group would all claim the 40p rate.
Figures show that the total amount paid out to 78 councillors in petrol expenses in 2008-9 was £115,560.
The biggest petrol claims were by Cabinet members Cllr Mel Kendal (£7,448) and Cllr David Kirk (£7,181) – who were also paid a special responsibility allowance of £17,157 on top of their basic £11,848 pay – while Cllr Colin Davidovitz made no petrol claim at all in 2009.
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allsaintsnocurves
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4:55pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy
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4:59pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Stupideditor
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4:59pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Linesman
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freefinker
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DCM
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chapelsaint
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Big Mac
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Disallusioned Saint
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CANADA-GILL
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EELS MAN
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Ken Hutchinson
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Cyber-Fug
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Lone Ranger
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steekeemcglue
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5:52pm Wed 24 Feb 10
EELS MAN
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5:53pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Cyber-Fug wrote:"calm down dear, it's only a jag"
It shouldn't be a problem..... he looks like he's sponsored by esure
D.a.v.e
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5:59pm Wed 24 Feb 10
CANADA-GILL wrote:If he managed to get his fat ar$e into a smaller car it most certainly will not be fuel efficient.
well.......... sell the jag, buy a fuel efficent vehicle gotta feel sorry for him "it was part of the benefits package", not, how many of us have either had our benefits changed or a pay freeze SW "plus-easy"
Michael S
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6:03pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy wrote:If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9.
he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.
Christine Melsom
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6:17pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Mr BCB
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6:23pm Wed 24 Feb 10
saintmartin
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6:23pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Ian24
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6:34pm Wed 24 Feb 10
SaintsBiker
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6:35pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy
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6:38pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Michael S wrote:i said socialist labour is no longer a socailist party it stop being that when neil kinnockk started the witch hunt on left wing supporters.
southy wrote:If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9.
he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.
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Anne Edwards, £15,701.41
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Jane Frankum, £15,639.12
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Jo Kelly, £20,407.06
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Dennis Wright, £16,049.18
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And re. "socialist" MPs not claiming anything - Pull the other one, Southy. they have their snouts as deeply into the trough as any of the others.
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Yet again, you haven't done any research and spout rubbish.
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And, as for Keith House - he is a fine one to talk. Look into it, and you will find that he (and his partner) have their fingers into so many publicly-funded pies that they can easily afford to collect ONLY on 40p per mile.
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Mike S
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isitfair.co.uk
Condor Man
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6:45pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Paramjit Bahia
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6:49pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy wrote:I beg to differ with Southy on this one because abuse of the system is not limited to any one party. There are councillors in all the parties who not only do not abuse the system, but often do not claim every entitlement.
he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.
CANADA-GILL
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6:50pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Lone Ranger
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7:06pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Ian24 wrote:Voted Tory
Southampton's Royston Smith has a Jag with ROY as the number plate!!
What have we done so wrong to end up with these people in power?
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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7:29pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Lone Ranger
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7:33pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Condor Man wrote:No my old fruit cake there is only one problem here and you will never guess who it is ...YES its YOU.
Two problems here. 1. the Labour government have doubled the price of petrol. 2. Anything over 40p in fuel claims is taxed. A lot of councils are bringing down fuel rates to 40p a mile because of this. Perhaps this chap needs to drive either a diesel Jag or a Prius if he wants affordability.
Linesman
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7:49pm Wed 24 Feb 10
freefinker wrote:I appreciate that this may come as a very big surprise to you, but he only drove one at a time!
Well, at least he only has one Jag. Now who was it who had two - probably both at our expense?
simonsouth
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footballcrazy
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Scrutinizer
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8:19pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy wrote:Well I along with most other people remember those terribly bad days of the late 1970s and 1980s, when the Labour Party of the time was being utterly eaten away by the almost fatal virus of those so called 'left wing supporters' of which you mention. Some of whom, I will remind you, were also Militant authoritarian activists. If Neil Kinnock had not taken the courageous, very necessary action against those despicable, authoritarian bullying extremists, the Labour Party would have spent a lot longer than the 18 or so years out of government it subsequently did. And no, I am not a supporter of New Labour nor any political party or movement of any kind, nor ever have been. Oh, and since you mention 'witch hunts', those Militant movement members and supporters including Hatton and his fellow disciples (who were calling themselves at the time 'Socialists') were well practised in that dark art.
Michael S wrote:i said socialist labour is no longer a socailist party it stop being that when neil kinnockk started the witch hunt on left wing supporters. at the moment there are only 23 mp's all labour that dont claim expenses plus they only take a working man wage for doing the job. there labour councilors around the country that do not claim any expenses or take the £11,000 a year allowance not many but there is some, all socialist will do the same. capitalist will not. learn to tell the difference.southy wrote: he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9. . Anne Edwards, £15,701.41 . Jane Frankum, £15,639.12 . Jo Kelly, £20,407.06 . Dennis Wright, £16,049.18 . And re. "socialist" MPs not claiming anything - Pull the other one, Southy. they have their snouts as deeply into the trough as any of the others. . Yet again, you haven't done any research and spout rubbish. . And, as for Keith House - he is a fine one to talk. Look into it, and you will find that he (and his partner) have their fingers into so many publicly-funded pies that they can easily afford to collect ONLY on 40p per mile. . Mike S . isitfair.co.uk
The Wickham Man
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8:27pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Cyber-Fug wrote:Calm down dear - It's Sir Les Patterson !
It shouldn't be a problem..... he looks like he's sponsored by esure
Saintlygirl
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southy
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10:59pm Wed 24 Feb 10
Scrutinizer wrote:dark art oh boy, you must be gullible, and belive in all the capitalist propaganda.
southy wrote:Well I along with most other people remember those terribly bad days of the late 1970s and 1980s, when the Labour Party of the time was being utterly eaten away by the almost fatal virus of those so called 'left wing supporters' of which you mention. Some of whom, I will remind you, were also Militant authoritarian activists. If Neil Kinnock had not taken the courageous, very necessary action against those despicable, authoritarian bullying extremists, the Labour Party would have spent a lot longer than the 18 or so years out of government it subsequently did. And no, I am not a supporter of New Labour nor any political party or movement of any kind, nor ever have been. Oh, and since you mention 'witch hunts', those Militant movement members and supporters including Hatton and his fellow disciples (who were calling themselves at the time 'Socialists') were well practised in that dark art.
Michael S wrote:i said socialist labour is no longer a socailist party it stop being that when neil kinnockk started the witch hunt on left wing supporters. at the moment there are only 23 mp's all labour that dont claim expenses plus they only take a working man wage for doing the job. there labour councilors around the country that do not claim any expenses or take the £11,000 a year allowance not many but there is some, all socialist will do the same. capitalist will not. learn to tell the difference.southy wrote: he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9. . Anne Edwards, £15,701.41 . Jane Frankum, £15,639.12 . Jo Kelly, £20,407.06 . Dennis Wright, £16,049.18 . And re. "socialist" MPs not claiming anything - Pull the other one, Southy. they have their snouts as deeply into the trough as any of the others. . Yet again, you haven't done any research and spout rubbish. . And, as for Keith House - he is a fine one to talk. Look into it, and you will find that he (and his partner) have their fingers into so many publicly-funded pies that they can easily afford to collect ONLY on 40p per mile. . Mike S . isitfair.co.uk
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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11:37pm Wed 24 Feb 10
southy wrote:Luckily Derek Hatton saw the light and joined the ranks of the capitalists. Car registration DEG5Y (Degsy), million pound plus properties and the champagne lifestyle of the property developer for him now. Of course he could be living in a Liverpool council house to stay close to his roots and all of the Google pages devoted to him could be a pack of lies. Not a very good example of a socialist but then again he did see it from the inside and rejected it.
Scrutinizer wrote:dark art oh boy, you must be gullible, and belive in all the capitalist propaganda.
southy wrote:Well I along with most other people remember those terribly bad days of the late 1970s and 1980s, when the Labour Party of the time was being utterly eaten away by the almost fatal virus of those so called 'left wing supporters' of which you mention. Some of whom, I will remind you, were also Militant authoritarian activists. If Neil Kinnock had not taken the courageous, very necessary action against those despicable, authoritarian bullying extremists, the Labour Party would have spent a lot longer than the 18 or so years out of government it subsequently did. And no, I am not a supporter of New Labour nor any political party or movement of any kind, nor ever have been. Oh, and since you mention 'witch hunts', those Militant movement members and supporters including Hatton and his fellow disciples (who were calling themselves at the time 'Socialists') were well practised in that dark art.
Michael S wrote:i said socialist labour is no longer a socailist party it stop being that when neil kinnockk started the witch hunt on left wing supporters. at the moment there are only 23 mp's all labour that dont claim expenses plus they only take a working man wage for doing the job. there labour councilors around the country that do not claim any expenses or take the £11,000 a year allowance not many but there is some, all socialist will do the same. capitalist will not. learn to tell the difference.southy wrote: he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9. . Anne Edwards, £15,701.41 . Jane Frankum, £15,639.12 . Jo Kelly, £20,407.06 . Dennis Wright, £16,049.18 . And re. "socialist" MPs not claiming anything - Pull the other one, Southy. they have their snouts as deeply into the trough as any of the others. . Yet again, you haven't done any research and spout rubbish. . And, as for Keith House - he is a fine one to talk. Look into it, and you will find that he (and his partner) have their fingers into so many publicly-funded pies that they can easily afford to collect ONLY on 40p per mile. . Mike S . isitfair.co.uk
hatton must of being doing a good job, he kept getting elected back into office and he had total support from the people, if other councils had not been such cowards and followed in what hatton had done, it would off total destroyed the tory party.
kinnock was a right winger he and his other followers had no right in being a socialist party, if that how he felt then he should of joined the tory party and not let the labour party go the same has the torys because at the moment all you got is a choice of tory party to another tory party.
the labour party was ment to be left wing (socialist) it was made up from all the different left wing groups.
paramjit bahia melrose did they not get kick out in the end because of them claiming.
Looney Cleo
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12:05am Thu 25 Feb 10
Lone Ranger wrote:Put him out to grass, what grass? He's ate it.
What' a 70 year old idiot doing as a Councillor. For Gods sake put the sad excuse for a human being, out to grass. Or try and bring him into the real world. . Sadly it is pathetic morons like this that give the politics of the Country a bad name. . Please retire Cllt Hockley...NOW
clausentum
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12:11am Thu 25 Feb 10
cygnus
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10:07am Thu 25 Feb 10
MrGMan
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Scrutinizer
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Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:Dear comrade 'Stalin'/'southy', Greetings! Thought about oppressing anybody new today? Firstly, I believe very little of what any people who wish to control me and others have to say in what you call 'propaganda', be they 'Capitalists', or anyone else for that matter. Now regarding Hatton specifically, yes, you are quite correct, he had a considerable amount of support alright, and indeed was democratically elected too - as did and were the authoritarian so called 'true Socialists' in the USSR and associated countries and also the Fascists and Nazis too. And we all know where their little ideas of 'paradise' on earth ultimately got them. Oh, and the so called 'true Socialists' also had their (surely not your?) version of 'Arbeit Macht Frei' too, not least in the USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos and plenty of other places in our very own backyard of Europe too. But the crucial point to make is, what the ultimate consequences of the 'true socialist' policies of people such as the Militant crowd and other so called 'true Socialists' mean for this country and the rest of the people of the world. Quite simply people suffering and living a bullied, degraded lifestyle, and worst of all suppression of the free 'human spirit'. And still back here in GB, who could forget the bullying tactics employed by certain Union activists in those awful days of 'Red Robbo', Scargill and all that kind of democratically elected people. Don't think people have forgotten those characters either. You supported them, did you, and their desire for a 'one party state'? Still do? Oh, and before you think I'm a defender of all things Capitalist, think again. Capitalism in it's worst manifestations has also taken a terrible toll of human lives and the human 'spirit' too of course. BUT, at the end of the day, the individual must and always will survive, so long as he and she has the capability to think and act for him and herself, and THAT is ultimately what will defeat you and your miss guided co-religionists. You can not escape that simple truth.
southy wrote:Luckily Derek Hatton saw the light and joined the ranks of the capitalists. Car registration DEG5Y (Degsy), million pound plus properties and the champagne lifestyle of the property developer for him now. Of course he could be living in a Liverpool council house to stay close to his roots and all of the Google pages devoted to him could be a pack of lies. Not a very good example of a socialist but then again he did see it from the inside and rejected it.Scrutinizer wrote:dark art oh boy, you must be gullible, and belive in all the capitalist propaganda. hatton must of being doing a good job, he kept getting elected back into office and he had total support from the people, if other councils had not been such cowards and followed in what hatton had done, it would off total destroyed the tory party. kinnock was a right winger he and his other followers had no right in being a socialist party, if that how he felt then he should of joined the tory party and not let the labour party go the same has the torys because at the moment all you got is a choice of tory party to another tory party. the labour party was ment to be left wing (socialist) it was made up from all the different left wing groups. paramjit bahia melrose did they not get kick out in the end because of them claiming.southy wrote:Well I along with most other people remember those terribly bad days of the late 1970s and 1980s, when the Labour Party of the time was being utterly eaten away by the almost fatal virus of those so called 'left wing supporters' of which you mention. Some of whom, I will remind you, were also Militant authoritarian activists. If Neil Kinnock had not taken the courageous, very necessary action against those despicable, authoritarian bullying extremists, the Labour Party would have spent a lot longer than the 18 or so years out of government it subsequently did. And no, I am not a supporter of New Labour nor any political party or movement of any kind, nor ever have been. Oh, and since you mention 'witch hunts', those Militant movement members and supporters including Hatton and his fellow disciples (who were calling themselves at the time 'Socialists') were well practised in that dark art.Michael S wrote:i said socialist labour is no longer a socailist party it stop being that when neil kinnockk started the witch hunt on left wing supporters. at the moment there are only 23 mp's all labour that dont claim expenses plus they only take a working man wage for doing the job. there labour councilors around the country that do not claim any expenses or take the £11,000 a year allowance not many but there is some, all socialist will do the same. capitalist will not. learn to tell the difference.southy wrote: he should do what all socialist councilors and mps are doing not claiming any type of expenses.If by "socialist" you mean Labour, here is the latest available information about how much the "socialist" councillors on HCC claimed in allowances and expenses in 2008-9. . Anne Edwards, £15,701.41 . Jane Frankum, £15,639.12 . Jo Kelly, £20,407.06 . Dennis Wright, £16,049.18 . And re. "socialist" MPs not claiming anything - Pull the other one, Southy. they have their snouts as deeply into the trough as any of the others. . Yet again, you haven't done any research and spout rubbish. . And, as for Keith House - he is a fine one to talk. Look into it, and you will find that he (and his partner) have their fingers into so many publicly-funded pies that they can easily afford to collect ONLY on 40p per mile. . Mike S . isitfair.co.uk
southy
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1:52pm Thu 25 Feb 10
Major Sir Jerry Pending
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2:15pm Thu 25 Feb 10
Scrutinizer
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12:22am Fri 26 Feb 10
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