Save our local pub! (From Daily Echo)

Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub.

Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

RIP British Pubs, Pub lost in Brockenhurst 5 years ago, Station Hotel Totton 6 years ago, The Elephant & Castle & Cross Keys are both up for sale in Totton. The cost of living is far higher than inflation, no one has any spare cash these days as going to the Pub is now a luxury, this Country is to keen on Tax this & tax that, next it will be RIP Petrol Stations as this country is the highest taxed on any fuel in the World.
LABOUR OUT NOW !

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub.

Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

It's **nimby** you tool. It's an acronym that stands for 'not in my back yard'.

If you're going to try and be smart at least get it right.

Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

Lord Ikea wrote:
Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

It's a bit far to go just for a cup of coffee, besides my passport needs renewing first.

v_dubman2005 wrote:

Lord Ikea wrote:
Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

It's a bit far to go just for a cup of coffee, besides my passport needs renewing first.

if you go back to the 70's pubs was pretty busy all week. lunch time you use to see people pop in there to have have a quick snack and pint, and in the evening it would be a quick pint or 2, then go home have dinner then relax, or if it was dart match night it be back to the pub. but in the 80's with the great number of jobs lost, all this started to collapse people not having the money to go out to enjoy them selfs in the evening. or not having a job any more there no need to pop in there at lunch time to get some thing to eat. also in the 80's you saw the start of cheap booze in the supermakets. and they been declining ever since and with the smoking ban, whats the point even going to a pub any more. you cant relax in them any more. so you might has well go to the supermarket get a few cans and go home and relax with a beer and a smoke.

jimbobbo wrote:

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub.

Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

It's **nimby** you tool. It's an acronym that stands for 'not in my back yard'.

If you're going to try and be smart at least get it right.

jimbooboo, smartypants, I should go back to bed, you obviously got out the wrong side. Either do that, or go and take a hike and end up in a tired-out bleak-looking pub and splash out by treating yourself to a lemonade shandy and a handful of peanuts before indulging in a satisfying burp.

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub. Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

Constructive.

So by your definition anyone who opposes the construction of unsuited accomodation for their area and wish to preserve an asset to strengthen their community they are a NIMBY.
If the people of Southampton made a similar stance then it wouldn't be quite the soul-less ugly place it is now.

southy wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:

Lord Ikea wrote: Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

It's a bit far to go just for a cup of coffee, besides my passport needs renewing first.

if you go back to the 70's pubs was pretty busy all week. lunch time you use to see people pop in there to have have a quick snack and pint, and in the evening it would be a quick pint or 2, then go home have dinner then relax, or if it was dart match night it be back to the pub. but in the 80's with the great number of jobs lost, all this started to collapse people not having the money to go out to enjoy them selfs in the evening. or not having a job any more there no need to pop in there at lunch time to get some thing to eat. also in the 80's you saw the start of cheap booze in the supermakets. and they been declining ever since and with the smoking ban, whats the point even going to a pub any more. you cant relax in them any more. so you might has well go to the supermarket get a few cans and go home and relax with a beer and a smoke.

Back to the 80's again. I suppose this is maggies fault as well? (-:

Ted Rogers wrote:

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub. Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

Constructive.

So by your definition anyone who opposes the construction of unsuited accomodation for their area and wish to preserve an asset to strengthen their community they are a NIMBY.
If the people of Southampton made a similar stance then it wouldn't be quite the soul-less ugly place it is now.

Sarcastic.

Look behind most objections to new housing ideas/plans and you'll find a bunch of people concerned about their property values and a perceived threat to their established way of Life.

But they are dishonest folk because they will not directly declare their true feelings and, instead, cloak their real motive for objecting, with some spurious and cutesy rant, for example, wanting to keep an ugly pub that is far beyond it's sell by date.

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub.

Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

I agree with Ted.

The 'word' NIMBY has become a term of abuse, but it should not be.

Think about a plan to place an industrial site at the end of your road. You may very well be moved to complain and then you could be termed a NIMBY.

BUT...

Same plan but the site is in Cape Town. Would you bother to object? No.

Taking an iinterest in your local enviroment should not be derided.

After all if you are not interested who will be? Not someone in Cape Town or even someone just the other side of your town.

So please don't sneer at NIMBYs

clausentum wrote:

Ted Rogers wrote:

clausentum wrote: Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub. Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

Constructive. So by your definition anyone who opposes the construction of unsuited accomodation for their area and wish to preserve an asset to strengthen their community they are a NIMBY. If the people of Southampton made a similar stance then it wouldn't be quite the soul-less ugly place it is now.

Sarcastic. Look behind most objections to new housing ideas/plans and you'll find a bunch of people concerned about their property values and a perceived threat to their established way of Life. But they are dishonest folk because they will not directly declare their true feelings and, instead, cloak their real motive for objecting, with some spurious and cutesy rant, for example, wanting to keep an ugly pub that is far beyond it's sell by date.

I think you are quite the expert on 'Spurious rants'. How are these people 'Dishonest'? They talk about keeping the pub for the use of villagers and tourists alike, is it so unreasonable that a rural community wish to have a public house within walking distance?

You sound like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder.....bit green eyed are we?

Ted Rogers wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Ted Rogers wrote:

clausentum wrote: Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub. Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

Constructive. So by your definition anyone who opposes the construction of unsuited accomodation for their area and wish to preserve an asset to strengthen their community they are a NIMBY. If the people of Southampton made a similar stance then it wouldn't be quite the soul-less ugly place it is now.

Sarcastic. Look behind most objections to new housing ideas/plans and you'll find a bunch of people concerned about their property values and a perceived threat to their established way of Life. But they are dishonest folk because they will not directly declare their true feelings and, instead, cloak their real motive for objecting, with some spurious and cutesy rant, for example, wanting to keep an ugly pub that is far beyond it's sell by date.

I think you are quite the expert on 'Spurious rants'. How are these people 'Dishonest'? They talk about keeping the pub for the use of villagers and tourists alike, is it so unreasonable that a rural community wish to have a public house within walking distance?

You sound like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder.....bit green eyed are we?

My oh my . . . aren't we just the smart-ar@ed sarcastic sod!

Convinced about the squeaky clean, dazzlingly pure-white motives of these objectors . . . bit rose-tinted spectacles are we?

sw = vote-move

RobJChase wrote:

clausentum wrote:
Bunch of NYMBY's fronting an ugly-looking pub.

Tear it down and replace it with "affordable housing" for chavs and their chavvy offspring. That will please the NIMBYs !!!

I agree with Ted.

The 'word' NIMBY has become a term of abuse, but it should not be.

Think about a plan to place an industrial site at the end of your road. You may very well be moved to complain and then you could be termed a NIMBY.

BUT...

Same plan but the site is in Cape Town. Would you bother to object? No.

Taking an iinterest in your local enviroment should not be derided.

After all if you are not interested who will be? Not someone in Cape Town or even someone just the other side of your town.

So please don't sneer at NIMBYs

"So please don't sneer at NIMBYs"

Defensively uttered like a true NIMBY.

I'm able to make my comments on you as an individual after reading your posts. You've tarnished everyone as dishonest without any knowledge of them.

Far from rose-tinted spectacles, more an understanding of community, people, individuals and situations.

Easy to be abusive and cynical, but it doesn't actually make you any happier.

Clausentum, says...

"So please don't sneer at NIMBYs"

Defensively uttered like a true NIMBY.

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Can you not see that if you were to oppose any development/plan/sch
eme near you that you did not believe in, others would be able to call YOU a NIMBY?

If you care about where you live you have a right and duty to make your feelings known.

Wetherspoons are good at running pubs and they keep on expanding. From the end of this month all of their pubs will be open at 7am to serve breakfast. Perhaps some publicans should copy Wetherspoons winning formula of good value food and reasonably priced drinks. Even a Lavazza coffee is only 99p for a small cup and £1.29 for a large one.
The problem with a village like Sway is that there is little passing trade and not many residents, making it very difficult for a pub to survive.

Believe or not |I use to go up to the Pub in my village and I KNEW my pals would be there at an exact time - the animals had been fed and bedded down, a pint, a chat, about ploughing a difficult farrow or its the farmer's wife 'having it away'. It maybe a sad reflection that it was not what it use to be but it was OUR WORLD, we were aware of world events but we tucked ourselves into this safe world - OUR VILLAGE. It's like a witches couldron, stirring until the mixture of races, creeds and faiths have made it a completely new Nation. Do we fight and survive or like the Picks and Scots merge - Do we take a century or two to gain our individuality?

goard

Ted Rogers wrote:
I'm able to make my comments on you as an individual after reading your posts. You've tarnished everyone as dishonest without any knowledge of them.

Far from rose-tinted spectacles, more an understanding of community, people, individuals and situations.

Easy to be abusive and cynical, but it doesn't actually make you any happier.

No apology for saying these villagers (ie Nimby's) are dishonest.

If they were genuinely concerned about the plight of the pub and preventing it dying they would have put their money where their mouths are, long ago, and spend their money in the pub and generated activity in their village to make it both more attractive and profitable.

But they pop up from behind well-trimmed bushes when plans are afoot to demolish the pub to make way for "affordable housing"

I smell a skunk somewhere!

Your interest in my personal well-being and being "happier" is code. Keep your code and shove it.

RobJChase wrote:
Clausentum, says...

"So please don't sneer at NIMBYs"

Defensively uttered like a true NIMBY.

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Can you not see that if you were to oppose any development/plan/sch

eme near you that you did not believe in, others would be able to call YOU a NIMBY?

If you care about where you live you have a right and duty to make your feelings known.

" . . . right and duty to make your feelings known."

Rights?

Duty to whom?

Wooly Nimby-Speak for: self preservation and "let's all ensure the value of our property does not suffer/decline irrespective of the nature/validity/of the planned change in the community?

Yes, you have a right to make your views know to the council over planning issues - for or against.

Its called democracy.

I do not subscibe to the view below in any way but I remember someone taking the view that affordable housing was
"housing for the work-shy", subsidised by honest hardworking taxpayers.

RobJChase wrote:
Yes, you have a right to make your views know to the council over planning issues - for or against.

Its called democracy.

I do not subscibe to the view below in any way but I remember someone taking the view that affordable housing was
"housing for the work-shy", subsidised by honest hardworking taxpayers.

So, these villagers who allowed their cherished pub to die are now simply exercising their democratic right and duty to protest the proposed building of flats?

Ridiculous!

Their motivation in keeping the dead pub has nought to do with democracy and more to do with narrow self-interest in their property values and "circling the wagons" to maintain an undisturbed village Life.

Are you in the photograph?

sw = city-easy

RobJChase wrote:
Yes, you have a right to make your views know to the council over planning issues - for or against.

Its called democracy.

I do not subscibe to the view below in any way but I remember someone taking the view that affordable housing was
"housing for the work-shy", subsidised by honest hardworking taxpayers.

"I remember someone taking the view that affordable housing was
"housing for the work-shy", subsidised by honest hardworking taxpayers."

"someone"

Why be cute about it?

Why be mysterious about it?

Why fudge?

Why not identify you quote me?

No balls?

Prefer tangental snide abuse?

RobJChase wrote:
Yes, you have a right to make your views know to the council over planning issues - for or against.

Its called democracy.

I do not subscibe to the view below in any way but I remember someone taking the view that affordable housing was
"housing for the work-shy", subsidised by honest hardworking taxpayers.

"Yes, you have a right to make your views know to the council over planning issues - for or against.

Its called democracy."

Audacious and arrogant to assume I need a lesson in civic responsibility.

And you phrase it as an insult, in a wooly sort of Nimby-esque way. Be explicit. Say what you really think.

It's called being a Man, not a wimp.

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:

Lord Ikea wrote: Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

It's a bit far to go just for a cup of coffee, besides my passport needs renewing first.

if you go back to the 70's pubs was pretty busy all week. lunch time you use to see people pop in there to have have a quick snack and pint, and in the evening it would be a quick pint or 2, then go home have dinner then relax, or if it was dart match night it be back to the pub. but in the 80's with the great number of jobs lost, all this started to collapse people not having the money to go out to enjoy them selfs in the evening. or not having a job any more there no need to pop in there at lunch time to get some thing to eat. also in the 80's you saw the start of cheap booze in the supermakets. and they been declining ever since and with the smoking ban, whats the point even going to a pub any more. you cant relax in them any more. so you might has well go to the supermarket get a few cans and go home and relax with a beer and a smoke.

Back to the 80's again. I suppose this is maggies fault as well? (-:

a lot of errors was made in the 80's, errors that will still feel and effect us today. and will carry on feeling those errors for another 50 years or so, they not going to go away just get worse.

southy wrote:

hulla baloo wrote:

southy wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:

Lord Ikea wrote: Pubs in Southampton have been closing for years and having cheap tacky garden-less shoebox homes built on the land. Unless you are a regular or a local, most pubs are un-welcoming dark dingy places that need a makeover. If Pubs were brighter and cleaner and changed the focus of there buisness they would get more people in. Pubs need to become the meeting place of the community which they were years ago. If beer and Wine is very expensive and putting people off then focus on Tea and coffee and soft drinks. A Pub I know in Glasgow changed its bar from alcahol to a coffee shop. It still sells beer and food etc but alcahol it is not the main business. You should try and get a table in there, it is always packed.

It's a bit far to go just for a cup of coffee, besides my passport needs renewing first.

if you go back to the 70's pubs was pretty busy all week. lunch time you use to see people pop in there to have have a quick snack and pint, and in the evening it would be a quick pint or 2, then go home have dinner then relax, or if it was dart match night it be back to the pub. but in the 80's with the great number of jobs lost, all this started to collapse people not having the money to go out to enjoy them selfs in the evening. or not having a job any more there no need to pop in there at lunch time to get some thing to eat. also in the 80's you saw the start of cheap booze in the supermakets. and they been declining ever since and with the smoking ban, whats the point even going to a pub any more. you cant relax in them any more. so you might has well go to the supermarket get a few cans and go home and relax with a beer and a smoke.

Back to the 80's again. I suppose this is maggies fault as well? (-:

a lot of errors was made in the 80's, errors that will still feel and effect us today. and will carry on feeling those errors for another 50 years or so, they not going to go away just get worse.

So it IS Mrs T's fault!!!

I suppose she should be likened to radioactive waste that has a half-life of a zillion years and which will plague us all until eternity?? I never knew one politician could have such a profound and infinite impact on the future of the Planet.