Dave Elgram dumps rubbish in restaurant in protest at McDonald's litter in Swaythling (From Daily Echo)

Well done Dave, good to see the community fight back.

Good on him! There is no excuse for people to drop litter as it is, but there is no reason also for them to help ease the problem seeing as they are the ones selling the food and have a responsibility to clean the inside of the premises, so why not the outside.

Disagree

They have no responsibility to keep the streets clean, why should they?

elgram and his cronies got the old hampton pub shut down with their constant moaning and whinging ,now he,s at it again ,why not move ? and give swaythling a break !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

teh wrote:
Good on him! There is no excuse for people to drop litter as it is, but there is no reason also for them to help ease the problem seeing as they are the ones selling the food and have a responsibility to clean the inside of the premises, so why not the outside.

agree whats worse still is people throwing there take away rubbish out of the car window while on the move and passing though area .
will point out a case that happened last year of car passing though millbrook housing estate redbridge when a mcdonalds takes left overs and rubbish was thrown out of a car window while they was on there way home to chilworth, it got caught on a unmark police car camera. maybe local cameras are needed near by to catch those who dropping there litter start fining them and keep on fining them till they get the message.

What a tool! His issue should be with the individuals who litter not the supplier. If you've ever been unfortunate enough to be anywhere near the company of this man you would easily understand his motives.....attentio
n seeker of the highest order.

southy wrote:

teh wrote:
Good on him! There is no excuse for people to drop litter as it is, but there is no reason also for them to help ease the problem seeing as they are the ones selling the food and have a responsibility to clean the inside of the premises, so why not the outside.

agree whats worse still is people throwing there take away rubbish out of the car window while on the move and passing though area .
will point out a case that happened last year of car passing though millbrook housing estate redbridge when a mcdonalds takes left overs and rubbish was thrown out of a car window while they was on there way home to chilworth, it got caught on a unmark police car camera. maybe local cameras are needed near by to catch those who dropping there litter start fining them and keep on fining them till they get the message.

DO NOT MENTION MORE CAMERAS!!!..........
...DO YOU HEAR ME???
Unless they are socialist ones of course.

I expect he'll be arrested under terrorism laws if he carries on doing it

McDonalds only sell food. They are not responsible for what happens to the packaging after it's left their premises. I hope they sue this guy. It's time for people to learn how to dispose of litter instead of expecting the council or companies to do it for them.

v_dubman2005 wrote:

southy wrote:

teh wrote:
Good on him! There is no excuse for people to drop litter as it is, but there is no reason also for them to help ease the problem seeing as they are the ones selling the food and have a responsibility to clean the inside of the premises, so why not the outside.

agree whats worse still is people throwing there take away rubbish out of the car window while on the move and passing though area .
will point out a case that happened last year of car passing though millbrook housing estate redbridge when a mcdonalds takes left overs and rubbish was thrown out of a car window while they was on there way home to chilworth, it got caught on a unmark police car camera. maybe local cameras are needed near by to catch those who dropping there litter start fining them and keep on fining them till they get the message.

DO NOT MENTION MORE CAMERAS!!!..........

...DO YOU HEAR ME???
Unless they are socialist ones of course.

we could do with lots of new cameras more the better. i would even like to see a speed camera put on kendle ave, it pick lots of £ from the police force that speed though here for no reason but to just to cut though the area.

Walter Kurtz wrote:
What a tool! His issue should be with the individuals who litter not the supplier. If you've ever been unfortunate enough to be anywhere near the company of this man you would easily understand his motives.....attentio

n seeker of the highest order.

Yes, it would appear that he has taken a photo opportunity if you take a look at his shirt...

Condor Man wrote:
McDonalds only sell food. They are not responsible for what happens to the packaging after it's left their premises. I hope they sue this guy. It's time for people to learn how to dispose of litter instead of expecting the council or companies to do it for them.

if it was part of the planning permission for them to keep near by roads clean off there rubbish, then they have failed and should be shut down till they learn how to do the job. would be better to employ some one just for that job and not cutting corners or cost cutting.

how about if they put a £1 deposit on there packaging returnable on return of the rubbish and left overs. they should also the return deposits on bottles in every where off licences supermarkets shops ect ect ect. you get kids then picking it up just to earn them selfs a few £'s. like we did when we was kids back in the 50's and 60' see a beer bottle all ways pick it up and took it to the off licence, it use to pay for our sunday morning swim in the winter at the baths, or the ice rink ect

southy wrote:
how about if they put a £1 deposit on there packaging returnable on return of the rubbish and left overs. they should also the return deposits on bottles in every where off licences supermarkets shops ect ect ect. you get kids then picking it up just to earn them selfs a few £'s. like we did when we was kids back in the 50's and 60' see a beer bottle all ways pick it up and took it to the off licence, it use to pay for our sunday morning swim in the winter at the baths, or the ice rink ect

That's actually quite a sensible and innovative suggestion, but it does have some obstacles to be overcome - eg Health and Safety would not want rubbish taken back into a restaurant in order to get a refund, same with cans and bottles, and there would have to be a way that small business could participate without incurring huge costs in staff and facilities. But I like it. Good idea.

I hope Mcdonalds prosecute him for depositing litter on their premises, and the council for working the streets, without protective gloves, hi vis jacket and no risk assessment prior to starting.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:
how about if they put a £1 deposit on there packaging returnable on return of the rubbish and left overs. they should also the return deposits on bottles in every where off licences supermarkets shops ect ect ect. you get kids then picking it up just to earn them selfs a few £'s. like we did when we was kids back in the 50's and 60' see a beer bottle all ways pick it up and took it to the off licence, it use to pay for our sunday morning swim in the winter at the baths, or the ice rink ect

That's actually quite a sensible and innovative suggestion, but it does have some obstacles to be overcome - eg Health and Safety would not want rubbish taken back into a restaurant in order to get a refund, same with cans and bottles, and there would have to be a way that small business could participate without incurring huge costs in staff and facilities. But I like it. Good idea.

you could set up a small area on the side of the building, those who are eating in side the restaurant there would be no need to charge the deposit, just charge for those who take it out side or has a take away. if you think about it could be done easy and very cheap. like how much do it cost them to have people running around picking up litter ect out on the streets, where they could have one person on a side building, colletting and paying back that £1 deposit.
then guys like this one would not dump rubbish on the floor he go and hand it in and collette the deposit on all the items.

You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

clausentum wrote:
You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

That's why this Country is becoming collectively obese Southy - obsession with portion sizes.

Never mind the quality - feel the width?

Mc's has to be the most tasteless excuse for sustenance going - Oh, except KFC perhaps.

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote:
You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

Fish & Chips?

What!

I thought you preferred Tripe??

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote: You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

I'd never buy a burger from a chippy

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote: You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

I'd never buy a burger from a chippy

nor me but just pointing out you get better value from a chippy than a macdonalds.
the place that i use to go to for a double cheese burger was pete's take away in shirley he use to be base up by the school that was before your time condor, it was well worth the walk from the after eight club in shirley all the way up the other end of shirley just for his burgers, people use to come in from all over southampton for his take aways

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote: You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

I'd never buy a burger from a chippy

nor me but just pointing out you get better value from a chippy than a macdonalds.
the place that i use to go to for a double cheese burger was pete's take away in shirley he use to be base up by the school that was before your time condor, it was well worth the walk from the after eight club in shirley all the way up the other end of shirley just for his burgers, people use to come in from all over southampton for his take aways

Blimey Southy did you go to the After Eight Club in Park Street as well. I can remember going there and getting thrown out down the stairs one night.

southy wrote:
how about if they put a £1 deposit on there packaging returnable on return of the rubbish and left overs. they should also the return deposits on bottles in every where off licences supermarkets shops ect ect ect. you get kids then picking it up just to earn them selfs a few £'s. like we did when we was kids back in the 50's and 60' see a beer bottle all ways pick it up and took it to the off licence, it use to pay for our sunday morning swim in the winter at the baths, or the ice rink ect

Good post southy, it's a State Law requirement in a lot of states in the USA that there is a deposit on bottles/cans, etc., hoping to encourage people to take their empties back and collect the deposit. Doesn't necessarily have to be the store where you bought it, the most convenient will do, over time this can add up to a reasonable amount that makes it worthwhile. The best part of your post is that you suggest a deposit of cost that would make one think twice before discarding the item. Don't know if that would affect M.P.s as they may claim it on their allowances. :)

We say good on him, about time more people stood up for themselves. We need more decent people in our communities to highlight these issues. Well Done!

Hi Everyone
Just would like to make my comment on this whole situation, I work for this store, I am not a mangager just a normal crew member.
Parts of what said in his statement is a lie, it is our policy when ever there is a complaint is made is to get the maneger even in s/he is on a quick break.
And all managers that work at the store will come and try and sort it out if they can.
I think emptying rubbish onto the floor is not acceptable behaivor let alone the health and safty issue.
I wounder there was yuong children around, this is not the behavoir to show around them or throw rubbish onto the floor, as a parent he should know this.
I also I bet he as never brought the problem to the attention of the Store befor. There are many ways to complain about stuff but coming in and ranting and throwing rubbish on the floor isnt the correct way to get things sorted.
We can not control what custermers do with their rubbish wether its mc donalds rubbish or anything else. We have bins in place that get emptyied regualary, we do trash walks in the car park and surrounding area to try and control the ammount of rubish there is. Maybe he should rant at the council that we all pay our taxes to that are not cleaning up the streets correctly, because there isnt just mcdonalds rubbish on the floor.

So Southy can remember Petes, what about before then when he had a van parked where the BBC office is now. He was chucked off by some smarmy twit on the council who put his own van on Petes site. The joke was on Pete as the van went broke.

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:
how about if they put a £1 deposit on there packaging returnable on return of the rubbish and left overs. they should also the return deposits on bottles in every where off licences supermarkets shops ect ect ect. you get kids then picking it up just to earn them selfs a few £'s. like we did when we was kids back in the 50's and 60' see a beer bottle all ways pick it up and took it to the off licence, it use to pay for our sunday morning swim in the winter at the baths, or the ice rink ect

That's actually quite a sensible and innovative suggestion, but it does have some obstacles to be overcome - eg Health and Safety would not want rubbish taken back into a restaurant in order to get a refund, same with cans and bottles, and there would have to be a way that small business could participate without incurring huge costs in staff and facilities. But I like it. Good idea.

you could set up a small area on the side of the building, those who are eating in side the restaurant there would be no need to charge the deposit, just charge for those who take it out side or has a take away. if you think about it could be done easy and very cheap. like how much do it cost them to have people running around picking up litter ect out on the streets, where they could have one person on a side building, colletting and paying back that £1 deposit.
then guys like this one would not dump rubbish on the floor he go and hand it in and collette the deposit on all the items.

Yeah I bet some person from Latvia would love the job, or what about southy?

Residents in the city have been complaining for over ten years about take aways that stay open later than their planning permission allows, adding to the litter output.
The owners go to Court, get a pathetic fine and stay open later the same night .So let us not ask the Council to do anything about the problem.

Tiggerg2009 wrote:
Hi Everyone
Just would like to make my comment on this whole situation, I work for this store, I am not a mangager just a normal crew member.
Parts of what said in his statement is a lie, it is our policy when ever there is a complaint is made is to get the maneger even in s/he is on a quick break.
And all managers that work at the store will come and try and sort it out if they can.
I think emptying rubbish onto the floor is not acceptable behaivor let alone the health and safty issue.
I wounder there was yuong children around, this is not the behavoir to show around them or throw rubbish onto the floor, as a parent he should know this.
I also I bet he as never brought the problem to the attention of the Store befor. There are many ways to complain about stuff but coming in and ranting and throwing rubbish on the floor isnt the correct way to get things sorted.
We can not control what custermers do with their rubbish wether its mc donalds rubbish or anything else. We have bins in place that get emptyied regualary, we do trash walks in the car park and surrounding area to try and control the ammount of rubish there is. Maybe he should rant at the council that we all pay our taxes to that are not cleaning up the streets correctly, because there isnt just mcdonalds rubbish on the floor.

Hi "normal crew member",

Thanks for the unsolicited confirmation that being able to spell is not a a pre-requisite to do your job of serving poorly-nutritious and over-priced food.

Are you by any chance an offspring of the venerable Southy??

"mangager

when ever

maneger

behaivor

safty

wounder

yuong

behavoir

befor

custermers

mc donalds

emptyied

regualary

ammount"

From,
A bangers and mash man (with real gravy!!)

Tottonion wrote:
So Southy can remember Petes, what about before then when he had a van parked where the BBC office is now. He was chucked off by some smarmy twit on the council who put his own van on Petes site. The joke was on Pete as the van went broke.

Yeah, the one where the BBC is was very good, but Union Jacks, where the Skandia office now stands, was even better. Both vans used to have a queue 15 deep at times. Those were the days before Mackee Dees ruined the burger! I remember eating a double cheese, mush, pine, egg burger! Bring back the jaw-breaker....

Lone Ranger wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote: You can tell who are the gourmet big mac and fries noshers on this thread!

not me i hate that type of rubbish food, there chips are no where has good has the chips or has many i get from the local chippy, there burgers are rubbish to and tiny. it very poor value for what they charge.

I'd never buy a burger from a chippy

nor me but just pointing out you get better value from a chippy than a macdonalds.
the place that i use to go to for a double cheese burger was pete's take away in shirley he use to be base up by the school that was before your time condor, it was well worth the walk from the after eight club in shirley all the way up the other end of shirley just for his burgers, people use to come in from all over southampton for his take aways

Blimey Southy did you go to the After Eight Club in Park Street as well. I can remember going there and getting thrown out down the stairs one night.

what did you do to get thrown out, it was one of the best night clubs going, never any trouble, well 99% of the time there was none, such an easy going place

IanRRR wrote:

Tottonion wrote:
So Southy can remember Petes, what about before then when he had a van parked where the BBC office is now. He was chucked off by some smarmy twit on the council who put his own van on Petes site. The joke was on Pete as the van went broke.

Yeah, the one where the BBC is was very good, but Union Jacks, where the Skandia office now stands, was even better. Both vans used to have a queue 15 deep at times. Those were the days before Mackee Dees ruined the burger! I remember eating a double cheese, mush, pine, egg burger! Bring back the jaw-breaker....

was that him there to on the school bomb out site where those school kids got killed in the war, i knew one was there but did not relise that was him to, there was another good one at the sunken gardens but that was late 70's early 80's

hey lone do you remember the black cat wth and eatting place down stairs and a night club up stairs that was in shirley to

southy wrote:
hey lone do you remember the black cat wth and eatting place down stairs and a night club up stairs that was in shirley to

hey south' you and lone' seem to have a lot in common wot with harking back to the good 'ol days and dredging up the wistful golden years (in deference to your advanced years and jolly spirit there is not a comma nor full stop nor capital letter in sight but i couldn't stoop to the glaring mis-spellings sorry )

I'm reminded of the two old codgers sitting in the theatre balcony box in the "Muppets" TV show, rabbiting on about the woeful state of everything and putting the World straight with their homespun, old-timer, cutting-edge philosophy and reminiscing and reminiscing and reminiscing . . . !

;-)

clausentum wrote:

Tiggerg2009 wrote:
Hi Everyone
Just would like to make my comment on this whole situation, I work for this store, I am not a mangager just a normal crew member.
Parts of what said in his statement is a lie, it is our policy when ever there is a complaint is made is to get the maneger even in s/he is on a quick break.
And all managers that work at the store will come and try and sort it out if they can.
I think emptying rubbish onto the floor is not acceptable behaivor let alone the health and safty issue.
I wounder there was yuong children around, this is not the behavoir to show around them or throw rubbish onto the floor, as a parent he should know this.
I also I bet he as never brought the problem to the attention of the Store befor. There are many ways to complain about stuff but coming in and ranting and throwing rubbish on the floor isnt the correct way to get things sorted.
We can not control what custermers do with their rubbish wether its mc donalds rubbish or anything else. We have bins in place that get emptyied regualary, we do trash walks in the car park and surrounding area to try and control the ammount of rubish there is. Maybe he should rant at the council that we all pay our taxes to that are not cleaning up the streets correctly, because there isnt just mcdonalds rubbish on the floor.

Hi "normal crew member",

Thanks for the unsolicited confirmation that being able to spell is not a a pre-requisite to do your job of serving poorly-nutritious and over-priced food.

Are you by any chance an offspring of the venerable Southy??

"mangager

when ever

maneger

behaivor

safty

wounder

yuong

behavoir

befor

custermers

mc donalds

emptyied

regualary

ammount"

From,
A bangers and mash man (with real gravy!!)

I was going to say that we now understand why you work at McDonalds, but you beat me to it clausentum. :)

Maybe instead of picking on my spelling actualy understand what my point was, just because my spelling isnt very good doesnt mean I am rubbish at any job I do, no I am not related to southy.
I have a child of my own and would have gone mental at this guy if I was a custermer in any store, throwing the rubbish on the floor isnt acceptable and makes him jsut as bad as the poeple that threw it on the floor in the streets.
As for why I work at McDonalds well thats done to me, never judge someone by what they look like or the job that they do.
If everyone think the food is rubbish why keep buying it, if poeple think that all the poeple that work their are thick, why does so many different people work there and why shop at it, also why act shocked if the order is wrong.
There are many ways of complaining I am just saying the way he did it wasnt correct.

Tiggerg2009 wrote:
Maybe instead of picking on my spelling actualy understand what my point was, just because my spelling isnt very good doesnt mean I am rubbish at any job I do, no I am not related to southy.
I have a child of my own and would have gone mental at this guy if I was a custermer in any store, throwing the rubbish on the floor isnt acceptable and makes him jsut as bad as the poeple that threw it on the floor in the streets.
As for why I work at McDonalds well thats done to me, never judge someone by what they look like or the job that they do.
If everyone think the food is rubbish why keep buying it, if poeple think that all the poeple that work their are thick, why does so many different people work there and why shop at it, also why act shocked if the order is wrong.
There are many ways of complaining I am just saying the way he did it wasnt correct.

Good points and why do so many pompous posers have to stoop to criticising the grammar and spelling of 'lesser mortals'? Southy gets bashed from many sources but maintains his integrity and dignity in the face of adversity. OK- he may be one of the most 'prolific' posters and tends to repeat the usual political stance but does make a lot of common sense.

Likewise- with this Mc Staff member who gets shot down in flames (sorry Burger King staff) who merely made some relevant points and from the inside. Why do so many people look down on anyone who works at these places? They are human beings and you would be surprised at the intelligence and capabilities of many staff members- they just need some income in these tough times. Often temporary as they go onto better things. Try and talk to them if possible- although they are mostly far too busy with the manic turnover during busy periods.

The main problem with any fast food outlet is all down to the chav slobs who chuck their garbage wherever they like. You can see these often porcine numpties waddling right past a bin after stuffing mega-size meals into their ugly gobs and throwing the rubbish on the floor.

Many of us feel like making a point but what's the use? You'll get a mouthful of abuse, maybe knifed or the nutters might rush to their Astras and bring out the baseball bats should anybody dare to criticise their anti-social oafish way of life.

The nearby roads are full of the same rubbish chucked out of car windows along with beer cans, ciggies etc.

Why blame the fast food outlets? They can only clean so much rubbish and most customers tend to behave as they deposit their wrappers etc.

Maybe this Womble like agitator is an 'attention seeker' but he has made a point.

However - would he dare to tip an unemptied wheelie bin all over the Civic Centre steps if it wasnt collected for the most spurious of reasons? You know - the 'wrong kind of rubbish' (lol) or the lid being open by a few centimetres. Maybe a few inches away from a designated spot.


Pity the poor McD staff who had to clear this mess off the floor following the protest.

king mush, said :-"Good points and why do so many pompous posers have to stoop to criticising the grammar and spelling of 'lesser mortals'? Southy gets bashed from many sources but maintains his integrity and dignity in the face of adversity. OK- he may be one of the most 'prolific' posters and tends to repeat the usual political stance but does make a lot of common sense."
thats because people like me will tell people what is really happening out there, the truth of the real matters, things like who really control's things like religion (right wing aka capitalist). who makes all the economy messes, the same type of people. who puts out false propaganda just so they can control the majority of people, they are dead scared of people like me and people who think some thing like me. because when people like me do get to political power (i am not saying my self but others like my way of thinking). we will show every one what is going on out there in the real world, and show that there is a much better way in doing things, that is better for every one and the world has a whole, right wing aka capitalists need to control every thing, the moment they lose that control and the ordinary people people take over, they have lost and people will see for what they really are, so they use every tactic that can just to keep control and when you get down to the nitty gritty things like, all wars are started by right wing your capitalists or people that think in the same way.
so what they can they do about people like me, they cant attack my type of politics so they attack the person. and me being an atheist makes it worse for them, because atheist dont have any religion to be control by.
its no accident that most atheists are socialist aka left wing

King Mush wrote:

Tiggerg2009 wrote:
Maybe instead of picking on my spelling actualy understand what my point was, just because my spelling isnt very good doesnt mean I am rubbish at any job I do, no I am not related to southy.
I have a child of my own and would have gone mental at this guy if I was a custermer in any store, throwing the rubbish on the floor isnt acceptable and makes him jsut as bad as the poeple that threw it on the floor in the streets.
As for why I work at McDonalds well thats done to me, never judge someone by what they look like or the job that they do.
If everyone think the food is rubbish why keep buying it, if poeple think that all the poeple that work their are thick, why does so many different people work there and why shop at it, also why act shocked if the order is wrong.
There are many ways of complaining I am just saying the way he did it wasnt correct.

Good points and why do so many pompous posers have to stoop to criticising the grammar and spelling of 'lesser mortals'? Southy gets bashed from many sources but maintains his integrity and dignity in the face of adversity. OK- he may be one of the most 'prolific' posters and tends to repeat the usual political stance but does make a lot of common sense.

Likewise- with this Mc Staff member who gets shot down in flames (sorry Burger King staff) who merely made some relevant points and from the inside. Why do so many people look down on anyone who works at these places? They are human beings and you would be surprised at the intelligence and capabilities of many staff members- they just need some income in these tough times. Often temporary as they go onto better things. Try and talk to them if possible- although they are mostly far too busy with the manic turnover during busy periods.

The main problem with any fast food outlet is all down to the chav slobs who chuck their garbage wherever they like. You can see these often porcine numpties waddling right past a bin after stuffing mega-size meals into their ugly gobs and throwing the rubbish on the floor.

Many of us feel like making a point but what's the use? You'll get a mouthful of abuse, maybe knifed or the nutters might rush to their Astras and bring out the baseball bats should anybody dare to criticise their anti-social oafish way of life.

The nearby roads are full of the same rubbish chucked out of car windows along with beer cans, ciggies etc.

Why blame the fast food outlets? They can only clean so much rubbish and most customers tend to behave as they deposit their wrappers etc.

Maybe this Womble like agitator is an 'attention seeker' but he has made a point.

However - would he dare to tip an unemptied wheelie bin all over the Civic Centre steps if it wasnt collected for the most spurious of reasons? You know - the 'wrong kind of rubbish' (lol) or the lid being open by a few centimetres. Maybe a few inches away from a designated spot.


Pity the poor McD staff who had to clear this mess off the floor following the protest.

Ouch. For a moment there I felt a pang of guilt and genuine remorse. But the moment passed when I realised the chastisement was from someone illegitimately prancing the moral high ground whilst beating their virtuous drum. The problem with strutting around on the moral high ground is that there are always higher and higher moral grounds across the valley . . .

southy wrote:
king mush, said :-"Good points and why do so many pompous posers have to stoop to criticising the grammar and spelling of 'lesser mortals'? Southy gets bashed from many sources but maintains his integrity and dignity in the face of adversity. OK- he may be one of the most 'prolific' posters and tends to repeat the usual political stance but does make a lot of common sense."
thats because people like me will tell people what is really happening out there, the truth of the real matters, things like who really control's things like religion (right wing aka capitalist). who makes all the economy messes, the same type of people. who puts out false propaganda just so they can control the majority of people, they are dead scared of people like me and people who think some thing like me. because when people like me do get to political power (i am not saying my self but others like my way of thinking). we will show every one what is going on out there in the real world, and show that there is a much better way in doing things, that is better for every one and the world has a whole, right wing aka capitalists need to control every thing, the moment they lose that control and the ordinary people people take over, they have lost and people will see for what they really are, so they use every tactic that can just to keep control and when you get down to the nitty gritty things like, all wars are started by right wing your capitalists or people that think in the same way.
so what they can they do about people like me, they cant attack my type of politics so they attack the person. and me being an atheist makes it worse for them, because atheist dont have any religion to be control by.
its no accident that most atheists are socialist aka left wing

Your passion for politics and your sense of compassion for the ordinary man/woman in the street is evident. And in a sense, you as a person and your politics are fused together.

You problem is one of lack of credibility. Both as a person and in the narrow political perspective you promote.

1
You mangle the English language on a website where reasonable application of the English language is a basic necessity in being able to communicate.
2
You profess to know everything about everything. Clearly, an impossibility.
3
You blame policies in place 30 years ago for today's ills.
4
You blame the religious right for wanting to exercise social control as a defence mechanism against your political stance.
5
Whenever challenged about wooly claims you refuse to back up your claims with hard facts. Instead, you rubbish the challenger and delve even deeper into fairytales which simply destroy your arguments and make you look silly.

clausentum answer your bs questions,

Your passion for politics and your sense of compassion for the ordinary man/woman in the street is evident. And in a sense, you as a person and your politics are fused together.
answer :- thats how politics evolve, the fusing of ideas, when it becomes stuck like right wing politics is, it become stagnant and slowly dies, like you are watching before your eyes. it may take years or it may be over quickly. but right wing politics is on its way out.

You problem is one of lack of credibility. Both as a person and in the narrow political perspective you promote.
answer:- to you and may one or two more, why dont you ask posters what they think of my credibility, its a lot better picture than you try to paint. one thing i have often see been said about me i come up with some very good points of view and ideas, i not seen any from you has to date.
1
You mangle the English language on a website where reasonable application of the English language is a basic necessity in being able to communicate.

A/ mangle english dont matter of a forms its the message that counts, and if your not sure what be said then ask what do you mean, instead of insulting people like your well know for. king john could not every read or write yet he laid down the foundations of english law. richard branson is dyslexic and look where he got today.
2
You profess to know everything about everything. Clearly, an impossibility.

A/ you claim that i know every thing not me, i just know my limits, and my limits are what i have learned in the world, what school taught me, and what job i took in life. it has taken me all over the world, i have step foot on every single continent in the world including antartica. its brought me in close contact with all sorts of thing, and met people from all walks of lifes, you might of lead a very shallow life and your limitation is only narrow ban. mainly because of your job in live just dont take you place in the world.
3 You blame policies in place 30 years ago for today's ills.

A/ to know where your are going, you need to know where you been. so you dont repeat the same mistakes and policies from 18 to 30 years was where today problems lay, 30 years ago policies was taken bad to the 1920s to 1930s, and the 80's and early 90's was just a repeat of the same mistakes, and those mistakes are going to get bigger and longer till some one undo all that damage that was done in the 80'and 90's
4
You blame the religious right for wanting to exercise social control as a defence mechanism against your political stance.
A/ mono god religion do not practice what it preaches, but the worse of it, it is controlled by the capitialist aka your right wing. and is just another form of mass population control. they dont want to see socialism in place because it open people eyes to what it really is a way of controlling people.
5
Whenever challenged about wooly claims you refuse to back up your claims with hard facts. Instead, you rubbish the challenger and delve even deeper into fairytales which simply destroy your arguments and make you look silly.
no i give answer its just people like you will never accept it, and i never rubbish a challenger till they result in name calling and slagging off, because they dont have any answers, that to has been noted by many posters on here. that i take a lot of abuse from people when they are stuck and have no answers. such has your self in the pass

southy wrote:
clausentum answer your bs questions,

Your passion for politics and your sense of compassion for the ordinary man/woman in the street is evident. And in a sense, you as a person and your politics are fused together.
answer :- thats how politics evolve, the fusing of ideas, when it becomes stuck like right wing politics is, it become stagnant and slowly dies, like you are watching before your eyes. it may take years or it may be over quickly. but right wing politics is on its way out.

You problem is one of lack of credibility. Both as a person and in the narrow political perspective you promote.
answer:- to you and may one or two more, why dont you ask posters what they think of my credibility, its a lot better picture than you try to paint. one thing i have often see been said about me i come up with some very good points of view and ideas, i not seen any from you has to date.
1
You mangle the English language on a website where reasonable application of the English language is a basic necessity in being able to communicate.

A/ mangle english dont matter of a forms its the message that counts, and if your not sure what be said then ask what do you mean, instead of insulting people like your well know for. king john could not every read or write yet he laid down the foundations of english law. richard branson is dyslexic and look where he got today.
2
You profess to know everything about everything. Clearly, an impossibility.

A/ you claim that i know every thing not me, i just know my limits, and my limits are what i have learned in the world, what school taught me, and what job i took in life. it has taken me all over the world, i have step foot on every single continent in the world including antartica. its brought me in close contact with all sorts of thing, and met people from all walks of lifes, you might of lead a very shallow life and your limitation is only narrow ban. mainly because of your job in live just dont take you place in the world.
3 You blame policies in place 30 years ago for today's ills.

A/ to know where your are going, you need to know where you been. so you dont repeat the same mistakes and policies from 18 to 30 years was where today problems lay, 30 years ago policies was taken bad to the 1920s to 1930s, and the 80's and early 90's was just a repeat of the same mistakes, and those mistakes are going to get bigger and longer till some one undo all that damage that was done in the 80'and 90's
4
You blame the religious right for wanting to exercise social control as a defence mechanism against your political stance.
A/ mono god religion do not practice what it preaches, but the worse of it, it is controlled by the capitialist aka your right wing. and is just another form of mass population control. they dont want to see socialism in place because it open people eyes to what it really is a way of controlling people.
5
Whenever challenged about wooly claims you refuse to back up your claims with hard facts. Instead, you rubbish the challenger and delve even deeper into fairytales which simply destroy your arguments and make you look silly.
no i give answer its just people like you will never accept it, and i never rubbish a challenger till they result in name calling and slagging off, because they dont have any answers, that to has been noted by many posters on here. that i take a lot of abuse from people when they are stuck and have no answers. such has your self in the pass

Defensive froth and nonsense.

Carry on strolling around Dingley Dell.

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
clausentum answer your bs questions,

Your passion for politics and your sense of compassion for the ordinary man/woman in the street is evident. And in a sense, you as a person and your politics are fused together.
answer :- thats how politics evolve, the fusing of ideas, when it becomes stuck like right wing politics is, it become stagnant and slowly dies, like you are watching before your eyes. it may take years or it may be over quickly. but right wing politics is on its way out.

You problem is one of lack of credibility. Both as a person and in the narrow political perspective you promote.
answer:- to you and may one or two more, why dont you ask posters what they think of my credibility, its a lot better picture than you try to paint. one thing i have often see been said about me i come up with some very good points of view and ideas, i not seen any from you has to date.
1
You mangle the English language on a website where reasonable application of the English language is a basic necessity in being able to communicate.

A/ mangle english dont matter of a forms its the message that counts, and if your not sure what be said then ask what do you mean, instead of insulting people like your well know for. king john could not every read or write yet he laid down the foundations of english law. richard branson is dyslexic and look where he got today.
2
You profess to know everything about everything. Clearly, an impossibility.

A/ you claim that i know every thing not me, i just know my limits, and my limits are what i have learned in the world, what school taught me, and what job i took in life. it has taken me all over the world, i have step foot on every single continent in the world including antartica. its brought me in close contact with all sorts of thing, and met people from all walks of lifes, you might of lead a very shallow life and your limitation is only narrow ban. mainly because of your job in live just dont take you place in the world.
3 You blame policies in place 30 years ago for today's ills.

A/ to know where your are going, you need to know where you been. so you dont repeat the same mistakes and policies from 18 to 30 years was where today problems lay, 30 years ago policies was taken bad to the 1920s to 1930s, and the 80's and early 90's was just a repeat of the same mistakes, and those mistakes are going to get bigger and longer till some one undo all that damage that was done in the 80'and 90's
4
You blame the religious right for wanting to exercise social control as a defence mechanism against your political stance.
A/ mono god religion do not practice what it preaches, but the worse of it, it is controlled by the capitialist aka your right wing. and is just another form of mass population control. they dont want to see socialism in place because it open people eyes to what it really is a way of controlling people.
5
Whenever challenged about wooly claims you refuse to back up your claims with hard facts. Instead, you rubbish the challenger and delve even deeper into fairytales which simply destroy your arguments and make you look silly.
no i give answer its just people like you will never accept it, and i never rubbish a challenger till they result in name calling and slagging off, because they dont have any answers, that to has been noted by many posters on here. that i take a lot of abuse from people when they are stuck and have no answers. such has your self in the pass

Defensive froth and nonsense.

Carry on strolling around Dingley Dell.

there you go out come the insults, have no answers or debate it so the slagging starts. you just prove a point to your self and every one else who might of pop by to have a quick read.

to all the people that made nasty comments about the mcdonald worker, can I just remind them that there is dignity in any work however 'lowly' it might be considered by other people...... and by the by my husband used to work at petes take away over 32 years ago and now runs his own company, he got the sack from petes because he wanted to take the saturday evening off on the day we got married, ohhh happy days

oh and by the way, he was not allowed to finish work til all the rubbish had been picked up!!!