Cyclist hurt after lorry crash in Southampton

First published in News

RUSH hour traffic in Southampton was severely disrupted this morning after an accident at a major road junction.

Emergency services were called to the junction of The Avenue and Burgess Road shortly after 7am following a collision between a heavy goods vehicle and a cyclist.

Early reports say the cyclist's life is not in danger.

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8:33am Thu 27 May 10

Stupideditor says...

Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.
Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them. Stupideditor
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8:45am Thu 27 May 10

stmarysmush says...

Stupideditor wrote:
Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.
Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption.
[quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.[/p][/quote]Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption. stmarysmush
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9:16am Thu 27 May 10

hulla baloo says...

stmarysmush wrote:
Stupideditor wrote: Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.
Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption.
More cycle ways is not necessarily the answer, as the roads are already getting narrower with the use of bus lanes and the small amount of cycle ways.
More driver/cycle awareness would be the easiest and sensible option, but how to teach/enforce would be the difficulty.
[quote][p][bold]stmarysmush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.[/p][/quote]Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption.[/p][/quote]More cycle ways is not necessarily the answer, as the roads are already getting narrower with the use of bus lanes and the small amount of cycle ways. More driver/cycle awareness would be the easiest and sensible option, but how to teach/enforce would be the difficulty. hulla baloo
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9:20am Thu 27 May 10

thesotonsaint says...

they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge!
they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge! thesotonsaint
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9:32am Thu 27 May 10

S!mon says...

thesotonsaint wrote:
they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge!
Hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]thesotonsaint[/bold] wrote: they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge![/p][/quote]Hypocrite. S!mon
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9:41am Thu 27 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

hulla baloo wrote:
stmarysmush wrote:
Stupideditor wrote: Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.
Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption.
More cycle ways is not necessarily the answer, as the roads are already getting narrower with the use of bus lanes and the small amount of cycle ways. More driver/cycle awareness would be the easiest and sensible option, but how to teach/enforce would be the difficulty.
Cycle ways don’t necessarily have to be on a road, it should be as a last resort. The best thing would be to have reasonable cycle paths away from the main roads. Another example how Southampton has in adequate cycling facilities, and they want to hold a cycling festival here!
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stmarysmush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Typical, more dispruption because someone can't pay attention to whats around them.[/p][/quote]Who..........the cyclist or the lorry ? Guess you have never had an accident, to make a comment like that. More cycle ways required in southampton maybe then there would be less disruption.[/p][/quote]More cycle ways is not necessarily the answer, as the roads are already getting narrower with the use of bus lanes and the small amount of cycle ways. More driver/cycle awareness would be the easiest and sensible option, but how to teach/enforce would be the difficulty.[/p][/quote]Cycle ways don’t necessarily have to be on a road, it should be as a last resort. The best thing would be to have reasonable cycle paths away from the main roads. Another example how Southampton has in adequate cycling facilities, and they want to hold a cycling festival here! StEmmosfire
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10:19am Thu 27 May 10

stmarysmush says...

Cancel Cycle Festivaland make it A Driver Festival. Teach drivers to look out for bikes......motor or pedal powered, too many drivers ignore other road users, this problem needs highlighting now.
Cancel Cycle Festivaland make it A Driver Festival. Teach drivers to look out for bikes......motor or pedal powered, too many drivers ignore other road users, this problem needs highlighting now. stmarysmush
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10:22am Thu 27 May 10

redfish says...

Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...
Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least... redfish
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10:22am Thu 27 May 10

Jammy Donut says...

Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users
Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users Jammy Donut
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10:28am Thu 27 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

Jammy Donut wrote:
Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users
Is it right that paying road tax is dependant on the emmisions that your vehicle prdoduces? What test do you propose? Do they need to carry a licence, at what age can the test be taken? Will people under the age not be able to own a bike? Come on Southampton Council, sort out our cycle ways, get some advice from Bristol.
[quote][p][bold]Jammy Donut[/bold] wrote: Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users[/p][/quote]Is it right that paying road tax is dependant on the emmisions that your vehicle prdoduces? What test do you propose? Do they need to carry a licence, at what age can the test be taken? Will people under the age not be able to own a bike? Come on Southampton Council, sort out our cycle ways, get some advice from Bristol. StEmmosfire
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10:48am Thu 27 May 10

stmarysmush says...

Jammy Donut wrote:
Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users
Well I have a full uk license.......also have passed my motorcycle test so I think im more than qualified to ride a pushbike. Do I still need to take a test ? Dont think so....... Drivers need the test.....or make them cycle for a few weeks so they experience the total inaequacy or just stupidity of most car drivers. This would educate them to the extra observation for other road users.
[quote][p][bold]Jammy Donut[/bold] wrote: Pay road tax and take a test, then they can have equality with other road users[/p][/quote]Well I have a full uk license.......also have passed my motorcycle test so I think im more than qualified to ride a pushbike. Do I still need to take a test ? Dont think so....... Drivers need the test.....or make them cycle for a few weeks so they experience the total inaequacy or just stupidity of most car drivers. This would educate them to the extra observation for other road users. stmarysmush
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1:02pm Thu 27 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

redfish wrote:
Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...
hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate.
[quote][p][bold]redfish[/bold] wrote: Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...[/p][/quote]hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate. StEmmosfire
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1:22pm Thu 27 May 10

vag says...

I regularly drive on that stretch of road. Im fairly sure there is a cycle lane set off of the road there. The thing that gets me going is when cylists don't use the cycle lanes which have been funded from our (and their) council tax. I once asked a cyclist stopped at the lights why he seemed to prefer to hold up the traffic rather than use the cycle lane, which was 5 feet away. He said "I'm too high a standard for the crappy cycle lane". I pay over 400 quid a year VED, and lots of insurance, and god knows how much tax on my petrol to get held up by idiots like this. I hope the guy involved today is okay, and learns his lesson and uses the cycle lane in future. Rant over.
I regularly drive on that stretch of road. Im fairly sure there is a cycle lane set off of the road there. The thing that gets me going is when cylists don't use the cycle lanes which have been funded from our (and their) council tax. I once asked a cyclist stopped at the lights why he seemed to prefer to hold up the traffic rather than use the cycle lane, which was 5 feet away. He said "I'm too high a standard for the crappy cycle lane". I pay over 400 quid a year VED, and lots of insurance, and god knows how much tax on my petrol to get held up by idiots like this. I hope the guy involved today is okay, and learns his lesson and uses the cycle lane in future. Rant over. vag
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1:37pm Thu 27 May 10

bemused26 says...

I agree with Vag. I really hate it when you have cyclists using stretches of road that have cycle lanes next to them. I go over Northam Bridge nearly everyday and the pavement is a designated cycle path; it has signs on it showing it as such and still a certain few cyclists prefer to sit amongst the cars. I am constantly on the lookout for cyclists because they make me so damned nervous. It really winds me up when people moan about not having enough cycle paths and then just don't use the ones we already have anyway.
However, that rant aside, I hope the cyclist wasn't injured too badly and recovers well.
I agree with Vag. I really hate it when you have cyclists using stretches of road that have cycle lanes next to them. I go over Northam Bridge nearly everyday and the pavement is a designated cycle path; it has signs on it showing it as such and still a certain few cyclists prefer to sit amongst the cars. I am constantly on the lookout for cyclists because they make me so damned nervous. It really winds me up when people moan about not having enough cycle paths and then just don't use the ones we already have anyway. However, that rant aside, I hope the cyclist wasn't injured too badly and recovers well. bemused26
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2:09pm Thu 27 May 10

vag says...

I forgot to mention the ones that do my head in the most. The dreaded cyclist with a pannier bag on the right hand side of the bike (facing into the carriage way). I don't know whether there is a specific rule which says you should have any bags attatched on the left side only. If there isn't there should be. It wouldn't help much if the bike was filtering along a queue of traffic, but would be a good idea in normal conditions I'd have thought.
I forgot to mention the ones that do my head in the most. The dreaded cyclist with a pannier bag on the right hand side of the bike (facing into the carriage way). I don't know whether there is a specific rule which says you should have any bags attatched on the left side only. If there isn't there should be. It wouldn't help much if the bike was filtering along a queue of traffic, but would be a good idea in normal conditions I'd have thought. vag
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2:11pm Thu 27 May 10

BerryMan says...

Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve.
Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve. BerryMan
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2:35pm Thu 27 May 10

S!mon says...

BerryMan wrote:
Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve.
Obvious reason for cyclists to use pavements/cyclepaths is for safety wouldn't you think?

Its a bit like saying why should pedestrians stop and look before crossing a road?
[quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve.[/p][/quote]Obvious reason for cyclists to use pavements/cyclepaths is for safety wouldn't you think? Its a bit like saying why should pedestrians stop and look before crossing a road? S!mon
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3:08pm Thu 27 May 10

Reado says...

bemused26 wrote:
I agree with Vag. I really hate it when you have cyclists using stretches of road that have cycle lanes next to them. I go over Northam Bridge nearly everyday and the pavement is a designated cycle path; it has signs on it showing it as such and still a certain few cyclists prefer to sit amongst the cars. I am constantly on the lookout for cyclists because they make me so damned nervous. It really winds me up when people moan about not having enough cycle paths and then just don't use the ones we already have anyway. However, that rant aside, I hope the cyclist wasn't injured too badly and recovers well.
The Northam Bridge Cycle lane is to narrow and like most cycle lanes does not go anywhere! You cross the bridge and have to stop whilst dodging pedestrains. So rightly or wrongly I am happy to wait 30 seconds on the road.

Although it appears that bridge is being resurfaced in a few months and a proper cycle lane being created.

My best wishes to the cyclist, there but for the grace of god ...
[quote][p][bold]bemused26[/bold] wrote: I agree with Vag. I really hate it when you have cyclists using stretches of road that have cycle lanes next to them. I go over Northam Bridge nearly everyday and the pavement is a designated cycle path; it has signs on it showing it as such and still a certain few cyclists prefer to sit amongst the cars. I am constantly on the lookout for cyclists because they make me so damned nervous. It really winds me up when people moan about not having enough cycle paths and then just don't use the ones we already have anyway. However, that rant aside, I hope the cyclist wasn't injured too badly and recovers well.[/p][/quote]The Northam Bridge Cycle lane is to narrow and like most cycle lanes does not go anywhere! You cross the bridge and have to stop whilst dodging pedestrains. So rightly or wrongly I am happy to wait 30 seconds on the road. Although it appears that bridge is being resurfaced in a few months and a proper cycle lane being created. My best wishes to the cyclist, there but for the grace of god ... Reado
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3:33pm Thu 27 May 10

speedicut says...

Cyclists are under no obligation to use cycle lanes even if they are provided.

A bicycle is a legal road vehicle (except on motorways) and the rider has the same rights to road space as other road users.

Most cyclists also own a car and consequently pay Vehicle Excise Duty the same as the rest of you.

I find it bemusing that people use a report containing next to no information about the incident to judge both the cyclist in question and cyclists in general.
Cyclists are under no obligation to use cycle lanes even if they are provided. A bicycle is a legal road vehicle (except on motorways) and the rider has the same rights to road space as other road users. Most cyclists also own a car and consequently pay Vehicle Excise Duty the same as the rest of you. I find it bemusing that people use a report containing next to no information about the incident to judge both the cyclist in question and cyclists in general. speedicut
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3:49pm Thu 27 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

S!mon wrote:
BerryMan wrote: Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve.
Obvious reason for cyclists to use pavements/cyclepaths is for safety wouldn't you think? Its a bit like saying why should pedestrians stop and look before crossing a road?
But not all cycle lanes are safe, a lot of them are very inadequate. Just go onto google a type useless cycle lanes and you'll see what I mean! It's usuall such a half @rsed job so the council can say we have over x miles of cycle lanes and tick the box.
[quote][p][bold]S!mon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: Why should cyclists have use pavement /cyclepaths and have to stop at every junction to cross the road? If drivers paid a little bit more attention whilst driving and not be so impatient to get places i think things would improve.[/p][/quote]Obvious reason for cyclists to use pavements/cyclepaths is for safety wouldn't you think? Its a bit like saying why should pedestrians stop and look before crossing a road?[/p][/quote]But not all cycle lanes are safe, a lot of them are very inadequate. Just go onto google a type useless cycle lanes and you'll see what I mean! It's usuall such a half @rsed job so the council can say we have over x miles of cycle lanes and tick the box. StEmmosfire
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4:33pm Thu 27 May 10

redfish says...

For a woman who is not comfortable cycling solo through the common in the early hours of the morning, there is no option but to use the busier roads. My friend is a very safe and courteous cyclist who is incredibly lucky to have come out of this with only a crushed foot.
For a woman who is not comfortable cycling solo through the common in the early hours of the morning, there is no option but to use the busier roads. My friend is a very safe and courteous cyclist who is incredibly lucky to have come out of this with only a crushed foot. redfish
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6:12pm Thu 27 May 10

sass says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
redfish wrote: Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...
hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate.
Oh, you is, is you!
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redfish[/bold] wrote: Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...[/p][/quote]hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate.[/p][/quote]Oh, you is, is you! sass
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7:08pm Thu 27 May 10

262red@blue says...

the red lights are just for the cars as i like to jump the lights just to see the drivers faces lol
the red lights are just for the cars as i like to jump the lights just to see the drivers faces lol 262red@blue
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10:49pm Thu 27 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

sass wrote:
StEmmosfire wrote:
redfish wrote: Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...
hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate.
Oh, you is, is you!
Just ran a grammer check, doesnt appear to be anything wrong? Thanks for the input though, in it.
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redfish[/bold] wrote: Just to let you know that my friend, an experienced cyclist, is very lucky not to have more than a suspected broken ankle. The cycleways in this city are inadequate to say the least...[/p][/quote]hope he makes a speedy recovery, no pun intended. I myself is still recovering from an injury caused by a driver opening her car door up on me! You are right, the cycle ways in the city are inadaquate.[/p][/quote]Oh, you is, is you![/p][/quote]Just ran a grammer check, doesnt appear to be anything wrong? Thanks for the input though, in it. StEmmosfire
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11:19pm Thu 27 May 10

downfader says...

Drivers are not being held up. This needs to be made clear. You are still in motion - take average speeds over set distances and you find that there isnt a lot of difference between 15-25mph and the 35 everyone seems to try and aim for (esp once you factor in the lights, junctions etc).
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Cyclelanes/paths. On road lanes.. according to the Government's own guidence these should be a minimum of 1.5m wide - how many in southampton are? None. Therefore I will continue to cycle as per the road conditions and/or approx 60cm out as per Bikeability training (which often means riding the dashed line)
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Cyclepaths are a disgrace. Why should pedestrians lose the sanctuary of the pavement? I'm a fit guy, I can easily get up to 30 on the flat, faster downhill. Thats no where near safe for pedestrians, I'd hazard a guess that a gentle 10mph isnt either. I also hate having to stop at every single junction - I use my ride to keep fit, if I had to keep stopping and starting my heartrate would never rise and I'd be as fat as most of the drivers in this city, LOL!
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The Northam Bridge "lane" is daft. You have two lanes there for crying out loud. The cyclist is entitled to use the road there and you have another lane. They should have made one a bus/taxi/cycle lane imo, and down Bitterne road.
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@Vag - sorry but you sound like a selfish driver. You stopped to admonish a cyclist for going about their legal right, what did you expect them to say?
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I also carry the pannier on the right hand side, it stops people trying to tamper with it (and I do have experience of people trying). They are less inclined to step into the road to try and nick stuff. I really fail to see your complaint here - pannier bags on a cycle are less wide than the ones on a motorcycle. You should be making allowances for both filtering.
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I'm not sure by your comment about panniers if you're somehow remarking about overtaking? Check out rule 163 of the highway code and you'll see a pic (its on directgov) showing how to overtake.
Drivers are not being held up. This needs to be made clear. You are still in motion - take average speeds over set distances and you find that there isnt a lot of difference between 15-25mph and the 35 everyone seems to try and aim for (esp once you factor in the lights, junctions etc). . Cyclelanes/paths. On road lanes.. according to the Government's own guidence these should be a minimum of 1.5m wide - how many in southampton are? None. Therefore I will continue to cycle as per the road conditions and/or approx 60cm out as per Bikeability training (which often means riding the dashed line) . Cyclepaths are a disgrace. Why should pedestrians lose the sanctuary of the pavement? I'm a fit guy, I can easily get up to 30 on the flat, faster downhill. Thats no where near safe for pedestrians, I'd hazard a guess that a gentle 10mph isnt either. I also hate having to stop at every single junction - I use my ride to keep fit, if I had to keep stopping and starting my heartrate would never rise and I'd be as fat as most of the drivers in this city, LOL! . The Northam Bridge "lane" is daft. You have two lanes there for crying out loud. The cyclist is entitled to use the road there and you have another lane. They should have made one a bus/taxi/cycle lane imo, and down Bitterne road. . @Vag - sorry but you sound like a selfish driver. You stopped to admonish a cyclist for going about their legal right, what did you expect them to say? . I also carry the pannier on the right hand side, it stops people trying to tamper with it (and I do have experience of people trying). They are less inclined to step into the road to try and nick stuff. I really fail to see your complaint here - pannier bags on a cycle are less wide than the ones on a motorcycle. You should be making allowances for both filtering. . I'm not sure by your comment about panniers if you're somehow remarking about overtaking? Check out rule 163 of the highway code and you'll see a pic (its on directgov) showing how to overtake. downfader
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11:20pm Thu 27 May 10

downfader says...

PS Hope the cyclist in question heals up quickly!
PS Hope the cyclist in question heals up quickly! downfader
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8:47am Fri 28 May 10

surferdave says...

As a regular road user the standard of road safety shown by some cyclists is frightening and very frustrating they seem to think the highway code applies to them when it suits them ie cyclists seem to think that red lights only apply to motor vehicles and so just ride through them, ride side by side chatting to each other and holding up all the traffic behind them and the most alarming of all at the moment are the number of cyclists that ride along listening to mp3 players with earphones in the ears and are totally unaware of whats happening around them.
As a regular road user the standard of road safety shown by some cyclists is frightening and very frustrating they seem to think the highway code applies to them when it suits them ie cyclists seem to think that red lights only apply to motor vehicles and so just ride through them, ride side by side chatting to each other and holding up all the traffic behind them and the most alarming of all at the moment are the number of cyclists that ride along listening to mp3 players with earphones in the ears and are totally unaware of whats happening around them. surferdave
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11:04am Fri 28 May 10

thesotonsaint says...

S!mon wrote:
thesotonsaint wrote: they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge!
Hypocrite.
Simon you dumb muppet, how am I being hypocrtical? If I ram you down at 70mph, is that an 'Accident'? The police have long stopped using accident and using incident, so as not to be incorrect where there is blame. and, considering you have never seen me post on RTI's before, you can't call me a hypocrite, especially as there is no explanation so as to cast blame. Go swallow a dictionary and get with the real world sunshine.
[quote][p][bold]S!mon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesotonsaint[/bold] wrote: they should call it incident, as it's not an accident if someone is at fault, and without an explanation, we can't judge![/p][/quote]Hypocrite.[/p][/quote]Simon you dumb muppet, how am I being hypocrtical? If I ram you down at 70mph, is that an 'Accident'? The police have long stopped using accident and using incident, so as not to be incorrect where there is blame. and, considering you have never seen me post on RTI's before, you can't call me a hypocrite, especially as there is no explanation so as to cast blame. Go swallow a dictionary and get with the real world sunshine. thesotonsaint
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11:50am Fri 28 May 10

vag says...

downfader wrote:
Drivers are not being held up. This needs to be made clear. You are still in motion - take average speeds over set distances and you find that there isnt a lot of difference between 15-25mph and the 35 everyone seems to try and aim for (esp once you factor in the lights, junctions etc). . Cyclelanes/paths. On road lanes.. according to the Government's own guidence these should be a minimum of 1.5m wide - how many in southampton are? None. Therefore I will continue to cycle as per the road conditions and/or approx 60cm out as per Bikeability training (which often means riding the dashed line) . Cyclepaths are a disgrace. Why should pedestrians lose the sanctuary of the pavement? I'm a fit guy, I can easily get up to 30 on the flat, faster downhill. Thats no where near safe for pedestrians, I'd hazard a guess that a gentle 10mph isnt either. I also hate having to stop at every single junction - I use my ride to keep fit, if I had to keep stopping and starting my heartrate would never rise and I'd be as fat as most of the drivers in this city, LOL! . The Northam Bridge "lane" is daft. You have two lanes there for crying out loud. The cyclist is entitled to use the road there and you have another lane. They should have made one a bus/taxi/cycle lane imo, and down Bitterne road. . @Vag - sorry but you sound like a selfish driver. You stopped to admonish a cyclist for going about their legal right, what did you expect them to say? . I also carry the pannier on the right hand side, it stops people trying to tamper with it (and I do have experience of people trying). They are less inclined to step into the road to try and nick stuff. I really fail to see your complaint here - pannier bags on a cycle are less wide than the ones on a motorcycle. You should be making allowances for both filtering. . I'm not sure by your comment about panniers if you're somehow remarking about overtaking? Check out rule 163 of the highway code and you'll see a pic (its on directgov) showing how to overtake.
You are the exact kind of rider I was referring to in my post. I do regularly get held up by folk like you due to missing a phase of the lights after having to slow down to avoid clipping your sticky outy bag.You may think you're gods gift to riding, but sooner or later you will end up wrapped around the axle of a truck. Use the cycle lanes when they're available and drop the "I'm too good for cycle lanes" attitude. In this day and age, with the amount of traffic on the roads, it's a moronic stance that can only end in tears IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: Drivers are not being held up. This needs to be made clear. You are still in motion - take average speeds over set distances and you find that there isnt a lot of difference between 15-25mph and the 35 everyone seems to try and aim for (esp once you factor in the lights, junctions etc). . Cyclelanes/paths. On road lanes.. according to the Government's own guidence these should be a minimum of 1.5m wide - how many in southampton are? None. Therefore I will continue to cycle as per the road conditions and/or approx 60cm out as per Bikeability training (which often means riding the dashed line) . Cyclepaths are a disgrace. Why should pedestrians lose the sanctuary of the pavement? I'm a fit guy, I can easily get up to 30 on the flat, faster downhill. Thats no where near safe for pedestrians, I'd hazard a guess that a gentle 10mph isnt either. I also hate having to stop at every single junction - I use my ride to keep fit, if I had to keep stopping and starting my heartrate would never rise and I'd be as fat as most of the drivers in this city, LOL! . The Northam Bridge "lane" is daft. You have two lanes there for crying out loud. The cyclist is entitled to use the road there and you have another lane. They should have made one a bus/taxi/cycle lane imo, and down Bitterne road. . @Vag - sorry but you sound like a selfish driver. You stopped to admonish a cyclist for going about their legal right, what did you expect them to say? . I also carry the pannier on the right hand side, it stops people trying to tamper with it (and I do have experience of people trying). They are less inclined to step into the road to try and nick stuff. I really fail to see your complaint here - pannier bags on a cycle are less wide than the ones on a motorcycle. You should be making allowances for both filtering. . I'm not sure by your comment about panniers if you're somehow remarking about overtaking? Check out rule 163 of the highway code and you'll see a pic (its on directgov) showing how to overtake.[/p][/quote]You are the exact kind of rider I was referring to in my post. I do regularly get held up by folk like you due to missing a phase of the lights after having to slow down to avoid clipping your sticky outy bag.You may think you're gods gift to riding, but sooner or later you will end up wrapped around the axle of a truck. Use the cycle lanes when they're available and drop the "I'm too good for cycle lanes" attitude. In this day and age, with the amount of traffic on the roads, it's a moronic stance that can only end in tears IMHO. vag
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11:58am Fri 28 May 10

djl197 says...

Chances are you will get held up at the next set of lights anyway. If you are worried about hitting pannier bags you are too close. Cyclists are allowed on the road and it is far safer to be on the road than in the cycle lanes. Cycles lanes are either ignored by cars or pedestrians or both so better to be on the road in full view of cars etc - making them aware of me and have to take the correct action to avoid hitting me, rather than trying to squeeze past me.
The amount of cars that park in the green zones for cyclists at crossings makes them a joke, the amount of cars that ignore the cyclist in the cycle lane and then turn left across them results in a weekly near death experience for me.
As for cycle lanes, with an average speed of 20mph on my bike the cycle lanes on pavements are far too dangerous and I SHOULD be on the road!
Chances are you will get held up at the next set of lights anyway. If you are worried about hitting pannier bags you are too close. Cyclists are allowed on the road and it is far safer to be on the road than in the cycle lanes. Cycles lanes are either ignored by cars or pedestrians or both so better to be on the road in full view of cars etc - making them aware of me and have to take the correct action to avoid hitting me, rather than trying to squeeze past me. The amount of cars that park in the green zones for cyclists at crossings makes them a joke, the amount of cars that ignore the cyclist in the cycle lane and then turn left across them results in a weekly near death experience for me. As for cycle lanes, with an average speed of 20mph on my bike the cycle lanes on pavements are far too dangerous and I SHOULD be on the road! djl197
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1:09pm Fri 28 May 10

JPM78 says...

It really makes me laugh how car drivers go on about cyclists holding them up. In my experience the majority of cars that overtake me I see again at the next set of lights, round-about or junction in a cue of cars. The only difference I make is that you would have been waiting in the cue longer if I wasn't there. The cars care congesting the roads not bikes, that's who's holding you up! If everyone that cycled into work got in a car instead then we'd be holding you up in the added traffic congestion. Please take the blinkers off and open your eyes, bikes are the problem on the road it's the number of cars that slows everything down.
It really makes me laugh how car drivers go on about cyclists holding them up. In my experience the majority of cars that overtake me I see again at the next set of lights, round-about or junction in a cue of cars. The only difference I make is that you would have been waiting in the cue longer if I wasn't there. The cars care congesting the roads not bikes, that's who's holding you up! If everyone that cycled into work got in a car instead then we'd be holding you up in the added traffic congestion. Please take the blinkers off and open your eyes, bikes are the problem on the road it's the number of cars that slows everything down. JPM78
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1:15pm Fri 28 May 10

JPM78 says...

JPM78 wrote:
It really makes me laugh how car drivers go on about cyclists holding them up. In my experience the majority of cars that overtake me I see again at the next set of lights, round-about or junction in a cue of cars. The only difference I make is that you would have been waiting in the cue longer if I wasn't there. The cars care congesting the roads not bikes, that's who's holding you up! If everyone that cycled into work got in a car instead then we'd be holding you up in the added traffic congestion. Please take the blinkers off and open your eyes, bikes are the problem on the road it's the number of cars that slows everything down.
Obviously I meant bikes are not the problem!
[quote][p][bold]JPM78[/bold] wrote: It really makes me laugh how car drivers go on about cyclists holding them up. In my experience the majority of cars that overtake me I see again at the next set of lights, round-about or junction in a cue of cars. The only difference I make is that you would have been waiting in the cue longer if I wasn't there. The cars care congesting the roads not bikes, that's who's holding you up! If everyone that cycled into work got in a car instead then we'd be holding you up in the added traffic congestion. Please take the blinkers off and open your eyes, bikes are the problem on the road it's the number of cars that slows everything down.[/p][/quote]Obviously I meant bikes are not the problem! JPM78
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3:39pm Fri 28 May 10

downfader says...

@Vag - everything I do on the roads is thoroughly legal. I have been riding for 20 years and I'm quite happy with riding around in traffic. You completely overstate the odds and serve to damage any good nature between roadusers.
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I really think you need to mature a little, a childish and selfish nature does not bode well for any road craft.
@Vag - everything I do on the roads is thoroughly legal. I have been riding for 20 years and I'm quite happy with riding around in traffic. You completely overstate the odds and serve to damage any good nature between roadusers. . I really think you need to mature a little, a childish and selfish nature does not bode well for any road craft. downfader
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5:04pm Sun 30 May 10

Buggi says...

When are you numpty drivers going to get it into your thick heads their is no such thing as "road tax" paid for by drivers. You pay Vehicle Excise which for the emissions on your car (a tax that MANY cyclists also pay). Road maintenance is funded by HM Treasury which is tax paid by EVERYONE through general taxation and EVERYONE is entitled to use them. There has been no direct link between Vehicle Excise and roads since about 1937.
When are you numpty drivers going to get it into your thick heads their is no such thing as "road tax" paid for by drivers. You pay Vehicle Excise which for the emissions on your car (a tax that MANY cyclists also pay). Road maintenance is funded by HM Treasury which is tax paid by EVERYONE through general taxation and EVERYONE is entitled to use them. There has been no direct link between Vehicle Excise and roads since about 1937. Buggi
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