Alistair Neill recommended as new chief executive for Southampton City Council

Alistair Neill

Alistair Neill

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A FORMER BP marketing director has been head hunted to run Southampton City Council.

Alistair Neill, who is currently boss of Welsh authority Merthyr Tydfil, has been recommended for the £170k top job in Southampton.

Outgoing chief executive Brad Roynon announced he will retire in November as he turns 60 after a nine year stint.

Mr Neill joined Merthyr Tydfil in 2003 after it had been on the receiving end of some damning critics.

He turned around the failing authority into the best council in Wales and was praised for bringing "dynamic personal leadership" and "innovative business practices".

A graduate of Glasgow University, Mr Neill has previously held senior leadership roles blue chip private sector companies such as Unilever and BP.

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Throughout the 1990s he led boards responsible for the oil giant's business operations in such diverse global regions as UK, Germany, Sweden, USA, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan and Africa.

He has also worked at the heart of government in the Prime Minister's Delivery Unit in 2007 and 2008.

He joined the public sector in 2002 as a director at Northamptonshire County Council.

Mr Neill, who is married to a school teacher has three children said he was "honoured" to have been picked for the Southampton job.

"There is some tremendous work already in hand to develop the city further. The current economic situation means that there is also much to do to ensure that Southampton reaches its full potential for everyone who lives here, and for those who come to work, visit or invest in Southampton. I am fully committed to that challenge."

A panel of leading city councillors have recommend the full council confirm Mr Neill's appointment next Wednesday.

Council leader Alec Samuels who chaired the panel said: "Alistair Neill impressed the panel with his fantastic range of leadership experience in local government, Whitehall and in the private sector."

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1:35pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Linesman says...

Formerly with BP?

I hope he does a better job of cleaning up the City Council than BP are in the Gulf of Mexico!
Formerly with BP? I hope he does a better job of cleaning up the City Council than BP are in the Gulf of Mexico! Linesman
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1:46pm Tue 6 Jul 10

GoodnessGraciousMe says...

What a predictable and pointless comment Linesman.........
What a predictable and pointless comment Linesman......... GoodnessGraciousMe
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1:48pm Tue 6 Jul 10

DannyD says...

As lots of people having to loose their jobs and within the council itself.
Could he not do this job for half of the £170.000 or is it a case he wouldn’t.
As lots of people having to loose their jobs and within the council itself. Could he not do this job for half of the £170.000 or is it a case he wouldn’t. DannyD
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1:51pm Tue 6 Jul 10

southy says...

170k a year thats at lest 10 front line staff workers, so what this council going to do, sack the front line staff and pay more to those none elected personal at the top. if they most have a person of this nature then pay them only 35k a year.
170k a year thats at lest 10 front line staff workers, so what this council going to do, sack the front line staff and pay more to those none elected personal at the top. if they most have a person of this nature then pay them only 35k a year. southy
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1:53pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Uncle Chuffnuts says...

Crude, but slick. 4 star I think. Hope he gives his new employees (S)hell.
Crude, but slick. 4 star I think. Hope he gives his new employees (S)hell. Uncle Chuffnuts
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2:01pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Condor Man says...

In the real world this job is not worth more than £100pa. Sadly he's joined the gravy train and will be rewarded with a big pension at the end of it. At least SCC are scaling back on staff earning over £100k a year.
In the real world this job is not worth more than £100pa. Sadly he's joined the gravy train and will be rewarded with a big pension at the end of it. At least SCC are scaling back on staff earning over £100k a year. Condor Man
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2:03pm Tue 6 Jul 10

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
In the real world this job is not worth more than £100pa. Sadly he's joined the gravy train and will be rewarded with a big pension at the end of it. At least SCC are scaling back on staff earning over £100k a year.
how they scaling back when they are going to pay this guy 170k
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: In the real world this job is not worth more than £100pa. Sadly he's joined the gravy train and will be rewarded with a big pension at the end of it. At least SCC are scaling back on staff earning over £100k a year.[/p][/quote]how they scaling back when they are going to pay this guy 170k southy
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2:05pm Tue 6 Jul 10

jimbobbo says...

southy wrote:
170k a year thats at lest 10 front line staff workers, so what this council going to do, sack the front line staff and pay more to those none elected personal at the top. if they most have a person of this nature then pay them only 35k a year.
I would expect two things:

One; He has the expertise of at least 20 front line staff put together, and will work skilfully enough to be a return on investment for the 170k salary he is paid.

Two; His skill set will command a salary of this level because it is unique. Had he been offered any less, he probably wouldn't have bothered moving down here to do the job because he would have found higher paid employment elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: 170k a year thats at lest 10 front line staff workers, so what this council going to do, sack the front line staff and pay more to those none elected personal at the top. if they most have a person of this nature then pay them only 35k a year.[/p][/quote]I would expect two things: One; He has the expertise of at least 20 front line staff put together, and will work skilfully enough to be a return on investment for the 170k salary he is paid. Two; His skill set will command a salary of this level because it is unique. Had he been offered any less, he probably wouldn't have bothered moving down here to do the job because he would have found higher paid employment elsewhere. jimbobbo
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2:06pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Walter Kurtz says...

£35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
£35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority! Walter Kurtz
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2:24pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Master Cat says...

"Accuracy is the cornerstone of our work at the Southern Daily Echo. We are committed to minimising errors."

Not committed enough for my tastes - peppered with inconsistencies.
"Accuracy is the cornerstone of our work at the Southern Daily Echo. We are committed to minimising errors." Not committed enough for my tastes - peppered with inconsistencies. Master Cat
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2:29pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Master Cat says...

This article comes highly 'reccomended'.
This article comes highly 'reccomended'. Master Cat
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2:30pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Atpost says...

"Andrew Neil reccomended"

That

Reporters should be able to spell simple words. (and get names correct)
"Andrew Neil reccomended" That Reporters should be able to spell simple words. (and get names correct) Atpost
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2:33pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Lone Ranger says...

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Council leader Alec Samuels who chaired the panel said: "Alistair Neill impressed the panel with his fantastic range of leadership experience in local government, Whitehall and in the private sector." -----Oh yes and he is a Tory which was the main criteria (my comments not Samuels)
. Council leader Alec Samuels who chaired the panel said: "Alistair Neill impressed the panel with his fantastic range of leadership experience in local government, Whitehall and in the private sector." -----Oh yes and he is a Tory which was the main criteria (my comments not Samuels) Lone Ranger
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2:52pm Tue 6 Jul 10

southy says...

Walter Kurtz wrote:
£35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job.
if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff. southy
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3:00pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Walter Kurtz says...

Thanks for that Southy, but I'm doing alright as I am actually...
Thanks for that Southy, but I'm doing alright as I am actually... Walter Kurtz
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3:12pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Nick Chaffey says...

He's here to cut services not improve them, everyone pays more and gets less. The official description of robbery. Mugging Tory style. Let workers and tax-payers have a say and save the cash for care homes, school meals and free swimming
He's here to cut services not improve them, everyone pays more and gets less. The official description of robbery. Mugging Tory style. Let workers and tax-payers have a say and save the cash for care homes, school meals and free swimming Nick Chaffey
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5:22pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Linesman says...

GoodnessGraciousMe wrote:
What a predictable and pointless comment Linesman.........
If you are so great at making predictions, enjoy your lottery win smartarse!
[quote][p][bold]GoodnessGraciousMe[/bold] wrote: What a predictable and pointless comment Linesman.........[/p][/quote]If you are so great at making predictions, enjoy your lottery win smartarse! Linesman
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5:40pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Cyber-Fug says...

southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote:
£35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job.
if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario......

Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide
Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty:
Management: 1 person on £35k per year!!

Get real Southy !!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!! Cyber-Fug
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5:46pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Linesman says...

Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!!
It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!![/p][/quote]It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example. Linesman
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6:32pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Atpost says...

Walter Kurtz wrote:
Thanks for that Southy, but I'm doing alright as I am actually...
No you are not.
You are suffering low self-esteem, hence your attempt to gain respect by quoting salary amounts of juniors.

there is help available...
[quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: Thanks for that Southy, but I'm doing alright as I am actually...[/p][/quote]No you are not. You are suffering low self-esteem, hence your attempt to gain respect by quoting salary amounts of juniors. there is help available... Atpost
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8:21pm Tue 6 Jul 10

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!!
It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.
rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men.
there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed.

then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!![/p][/quote]It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.[/p][/quote]rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men. there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed. then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them. southy
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8:53pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Condor Man says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!!
It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.
rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men. there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed. then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.
the last I heard Railtrack were employing prisoners on some early release scheme to work on the lines.

Councils need leadership and because Liebour pushed the payrates up this bloke is now firmly on the gravy train.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!![/p][/quote]It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.[/p][/quote]rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men. there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed. then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.[/p][/quote]the last I heard Railtrack were employing prisoners on some early release scheme to work on the lines. Councils need leadership and because Liebour pushed the payrates up this bloke is now firmly on the gravy train. Condor Man
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9:19pm Tue 6 Jul 10

Atpost says...

I don't care how much he earns: that WIG has got to go
I don't care how much he earns: that WIG has got to go Atpost
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9:56pm Tue 6 Jul 10

soton-mike80 says...

Atpost wrote:
I don't care how much he earns: that WIG has got to go
And how precisely do you propose this is going to happen?

I'm not a business genuis, but I do know a few things... firstly... £170k p/a to manage an organisation with over 10,000 employees in the private sector would be laughed at... secondly - you are not going to get someone to be able to take on the responsibility of running and coordinating a city the size of Southampton without a salary like the one they are offering - sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles - if you can find someone capable of running the council for less - please let the HR Dept know!

(oh and before someone asks - no I do not work for Southampton City Council!)
[quote][p][bold]Atpost[/bold] wrote: I don't care how much he earns: that WIG has got to go[/p][/quote]And how precisely do you propose this is going to happen? I'm not a business genuis, but I do know a few things... firstly... £170k p/a to manage an organisation with over 10,000 employees in the private sector would be laughed at... secondly - you are not going to get someone to be able to take on the responsibility of running and coordinating a city the size of Southampton without a salary like the one they are offering - sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles - if you can find someone capable of running the council for less - please let the HR Dept know! (oh and before someone asks - no I do not work for Southampton City Council!) soton-mike80
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7:31am Wed 7 Jul 10

Cyber-Fug says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!!
It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.
rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men.
there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed.

then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.
There you go then Southy, there has ALWAYS been the need for "managers" they just had different titles.
The charge hand who MANAGED his team became a team-leader / Local Manager, the Foreman who MANAGED all below him became the Area Manager ! Nothing has changed except for the glorified job titles !

When you compare a salary such as this to the voice of the "socialist" RMT union (est £110k) and the responsibility that Alistair Neill has over Crow, I think the salary is justified.

To be the best you need the best around you....of course, it could have been done the "socialist way" and promoted "Matilda from reception" on £17k a year but on the condition she would have to share the job with 10 others !!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!![/p][/quote]It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.[/p][/quote]rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men. there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed. then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.[/p][/quote]There you go then Southy, there has ALWAYS been the need for "managers" they just had different titles. The charge hand who MANAGED his team became a team-leader / Local Manager, the Foreman who MANAGED all below him became the Area Manager ! Nothing has changed except for the glorified job titles ! When you compare a salary such as this to the voice of the "socialist" RMT union (est £110k) and the responsibility that Alistair Neill has over Crow, I think the salary is justified. To be the best you need the best around you....of course, it could have been done the "socialist way" and promoted "Matilda from reception" on £17k a year but on the condition she would have to share the job with 10 others !! Cyber-Fug
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10:59am Wed 7 Jul 10

southy says...

Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Cyber-Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Walter Kurtz wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority!
you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.
imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!!
It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.
rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men.
there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed.

then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.
There you go then Southy, there has ALWAYS been the need for "managers" they just had different titles.
The charge hand who MANAGED his team became a team-leader / Local Manager, the Foreman who MANAGED all below him became the Area Manager ! Nothing has changed except for the glorified job titles !

When you compare a salary such as this to the voice of the "socialist" RMT union (est £110k) and the responsibility that Alistair Neill has over Crow, I think the salary is justified.

To be the best you need the best around you....of course, it could have been done the "socialist way" and promoted "Matilda from reception" on £17k a year but on the condition she would have to share the job with 10 others !!
they are not managers cyber, for one foremen and chargehand do not command a large wage, they do not sit in offices most of the day, they do not control an area, they stay on the one job till finished, they are out there getting there hands dirty. you do not find area managers or teamleaders getting there hands dirty, they just dont know enough about a job or how to do the job the right way.
crow dont earn has much as an est £110k, its a lot less, plus its rmt union business and not paid by the tax payers, and the voice of the socialist earns less than 15k a year that is easy to find out because he a councillor in convertry. neil has no responsibility over crow two different dept. you can not compare the two one is funded by council tax, the other is funded by a union membership.
we dont not need a person to do a job that the councillors are ment to be doing after all we did elect them in to do the job in the first place. it just go's to show that our tory council should not even be in office, because they cant do the job that they was elected in to do in the first place.
and to have the best dont mean that you have to pay out such high wages, often you find the best at there job dont ask for a silly wage.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: £35K Southy? I pay 2 of my Managers more than that to look after 10 staff each....This chap has to oversee a whole Authority![/p][/quote]you got 2 managers looking after 20 staff, your crazy you only need one manager. one manager should be able to look after 1000 staff members, if he or she cant do that then they are no good at there job. if you want you firm to make it and still be there long after you have gone. think like a socialist make your firm bottom heavy with staff that produce, and not make it top heavy with over paid office staff.[/p][/quote]imagine the scenario...... Task: Railway Track maintenance UK wide Staff: 1000 equal workers with no responsibililty: Management: 1 person on £35k per year!! Get real Southy !!![/p][/quote]It depends on the work southy, and Cyber-Fug uses a good example.[/p][/quote]rail track is a bad example, look how br was run, a foreman use have at lest 100 people in his crew, whitch was broken down even more gang leaders whitch could be up to 30 men under him, but more often a gang leader (chargehand) would have about 10 men. there are plenty of small firms that dont even have managers because they are not needed. then you come to this guy for the council. his job going to be where to do the cuts. now we have councillors that was elected in to do this job, so why hire a guy to there job for them.[/p][/quote]There you go then Southy, there has ALWAYS been the need for "managers" they just had different titles. The charge hand who MANAGED his team became a team-leader / Local Manager, the Foreman who MANAGED all below him became the Area Manager ! Nothing has changed except for the glorified job titles ! When you compare a salary such as this to the voice of the "socialist" RMT union (est £110k) and the responsibility that Alistair Neill has over Crow, I think the salary is justified. To be the best you need the best around you....of course, it could have been done the "socialist way" and promoted "Matilda from reception" on £17k a year but on the condition she would have to share the job with 10 others !![/p][/quote]they are not managers cyber, for one foremen and chargehand do not command a large wage, they do not sit in offices most of the day, they do not control an area, they stay on the one job till finished, they are out there getting there hands dirty. you do not find area managers or teamleaders getting there hands dirty, they just dont know enough about a job or how to do the job the right way. crow dont earn has much as an est £110k, its a lot less, plus its rmt union business and not paid by the tax payers, and the voice of the socialist earns less than 15k a year that is easy to find out because he a councillor in convertry. neil has no responsibility over crow two different dept. you can not compare the two one is funded by council tax, the other is funded by a union membership. we dont not need a person to do a job that the councillors are ment to be doing after all we did elect them in to do the job in the first place. it just go's to show that our tory council should not even be in office, because they cant do the job that they was elected in to do in the first place. and to have the best dont mean that you have to pay out such high wages, often you find the best at there job dont ask for a silly wage. southy
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11:13am Wed 7 Jul 10

Walter Kurtz says...

I admire your tenacity sometimes Southy, but you really do spout some tosh...
I admire your tenacity sometimes Southy, but you really do spout some tosh... Walter Kurtz
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11:28am Wed 7 Jul 10

southy says...

Walter Kurtz wrote:
I admire your tenacity sometimes Southy, but you really do spout some tosh...
not tosh just what is
[quote][p][bold]Walter Kurtz[/bold] wrote: I admire your tenacity sometimes Southy, but you really do spout some tosh...[/p][/quote]not tosh just what is southy
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11:46am Wed 7 Jul 10

Atpost says...

"Of the other four peers who have decided to stand down, three are Conservatives.

Lord Laidlaw - a Monaco-based peer who sought treatment for sex addiction two years ago after hosting parties with prostitutes - will stand down."

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
"Of the other four peers who have decided to stand down, three are Conservatives. Lord Laidlaw - a Monaco-based peer who sought treatment for sex addiction two years ago after hosting parties with prostitutes - will stand down." ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Atpost
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12:51pm Wed 7 Jul 10

Cyber-Fug says...

Bob Crow on £15k per year ? Southy you really are out of touch !!!

Bob Crow (RMT) - £79,564 in salary, £26,115 in pension contributions, £13,013 expenses
John Hannett (USDAW) - £81,742 salary, £16,389 pension contributions
Billy Hayes (CWU) - £83,530 salary, £14,190 pension contributions
Sally Hunt (UCU) - £63,743 salary, £7,612 pension contributions, £2705 car benefit (start of June 2006 to end of May 2007)
Paul Kenny (GMB) - £81,000 salary, £21,000 superannuation (pension contributions), £8,000 car
Dave Prentis (Unison) - £92,187 salary, £23,603 pension contributions, £11,646 expenses and car benefit
Derek Simpson (Unite-Amicus) - £62,673 salary, £16,156 pension contributions, £13,333 car allowance, £26,181 housing benefit
Mark Serwotka (PCS) - £82,094 salary, £26,104 pensions contributions, £2,245 additional housing cost allowance and additional housing cost supplement
Steve Sinnott (NUT) - £99,846 salary, £23,963 pension contributions
Tony Woodley (Unite-TGWU) - £59,333 salary, £9,552 pension contributions, car fuel £3,360
Matt Wrack (FBU) - £66,389 salary, £44,281 pension contributions, £5,134 car

SOURCE: Jan 2009 !!

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Bob Crow on £15k per year ? Southy you really are out of touch !!! Bob Crow (RMT) - £79,564 in salary, £26,115 in pension contributions, £13,013 expenses John Hannett (USDAW) - £81,742 salary, £16,389 pension contributions Billy Hayes (CWU) - £83,530 salary, £14,190 pension contributions Sally Hunt (UCU) - £63,743 salary, £7,612 pension contributions, £2705 car benefit (start of June 2006 to end of May 2007) Paul Kenny (GMB) - £81,000 salary, £21,000 superannuation (pension contributions), £8,000 car Dave Prentis (Unison) - £92,187 salary, £23,603 pension contributions, £11,646 expenses and car benefit Derek Simpson (Unite-Amicus) - £62,673 salary, £16,156 pension contributions, £13,333 car allowance, £26,181 housing benefit Mark Serwotka (PCS) - £82,094 salary, £26,104 pensions contributions, £2,245 additional housing cost allowance and additional housing cost supplement Steve Sinnott (NUT) - £99,846 salary, £23,963 pension contributions Tony Woodley (Unite-TGWU) - £59,333 salary, £9,552 pension contributions, car fuel £3,360 Matt Wrack (FBU) - £66,389 salary, £44,281 pension contributions, £5,134 car SOURCE: Jan 2009 !! http://www.workersli berty.org/story/2009 /01/15/while-million s-take-pay-cuts-unio n-leaders-rake-it Cyber-Fug
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1:21pm Wed 7 Jul 10

whelk says...

Don't you guys get bored of banging on about same thing all the time? Any public sector story wheeled out by the Echo and you lot invariably get excited.
I personally think the salaries are too high dont agree with the huge salaries but got be realistic about what sort of skills a person needs to run a council and these people dont come cheap.
And these people normally have a mandate to privatise (aka 'innovative business practices' which people seem to conveniently ignore that any private company needs to make a profit and that is at our expense.
Council tax doesnt fall, services dont improve and rich shareholders get even richer ahem
Don't you guys get bored of banging on about same thing all the time? Any public sector story wheeled out by the Echo and you lot invariably get excited. I personally think the salaries are too high dont agree with the huge salaries but got be realistic about what sort of skills a person needs to run a council and these people dont come cheap. And these people normally have a mandate to privatise (aka 'innovative business practices' which people seem to conveniently ignore that any private company needs to make a profit and that is at our expense. Council tax doesnt fall, services dont improve and rich shareholders get even richer ahem whelk
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