Man found in Coxford stream had been attacked in Northam (From Daily Echo)

This is very worrying that gang violence be associated with this city. I do hope that it is a one off and the Police put an end to this culture once and for all by issuing heavy sentences to the criminals and people responsible. I do not want to see this city end up like London.

Does Mr Williams have a family?
Where did he live?

I'm sincerley sorry for this tradegy. All i wanted to say was when this story first came out a lot of people where naming coxford area as almost a no go zone. Though the area is not populated by angels i wish to point out to thoose people who jumped the gun >> the attack didnt take place anywhere near this side of southampton!

R.I.P very worrying,But people saying "im shocked" etc tbh Im not shocked the northam estate has been troubelsome for ages,One of my best friends was murderd in radcliffe playing park a over a year ago, Also go on youtube and type in "smmb or st marys or notham boys" You will be sickened by some of the assualts on there and i mean random assualts. As for northam albion towers must be the worst tower block in the whole of southampton, Deprived area. All my thoughts are with shawn's (simons) family right about now, I really hope the police find these murder's because it won't be a single person involved it will be a gang....R.I.P

SotonLass beat me to it. Many posters stated how this confirmed what a rough area Coxford is (me included) - looks like we shall be having humble pie for tea!

Sottonlass wrote:
I'm sincerley sorry for this tradegy. All i wanted to say was when this story first came out a lot of people where naming coxford area as almost a no go zone. Though the area is not populated by angels i wish to point out to thoose people who jumped the gun >> the attack didnt take place anywhere near this side of southampton!

Ain't you from millbrook tho ?

So then...where are all the people who were saying coxford / the warren was such a bad place?

2nd murder in northam in the past 2 years isnt it?
that poor lad got murderd in the play park in northam a while a go

TUNA_MAN wrote:
R.I.P very worrying,But people saying "im shocked" etc tbh Im not shocked the northam estate has been troubelsome for ages,One of my best friends was murderd in radcliffe playing park a over a year ago, Also go on youtube and type in "smmb or st marys or notham boys" You will be sickened by some of the assualts on there and i mean random assualts. As for northam albion towers must be the worst tower block in the whole of southampton, Deprived area. All my thoughts are with shawn's (simons) family right about now, I really hope the police find these murder's because it won't be a single person involved it will be a gang....R.I.P

My condolances to Mr williams family and friends.... Tuna Man .. there you go again.. first slagging off the warren .. now northam!

I would like to except the apology from every one dissing shiley warren and coxford suggesting the kids in the area had some thing to do with the unfortunate chap who died thankyou

Bad things can happen anywhere. Look what has happened in Fordingbridge. I live near Eastleigh & it gets a bashing but I have never encountered a problem there. There are good & bad people in all areas. We all know inner city areas are problematic. It doesn't need pointing out every time an article like this hits the headlines.

VIVERS wrote:
I would like to except the apology from every one dissing shiley warren and coxford suggesting the kids in the area had some thing to do with the unfortunate chap who died thankyou

ACCEPT?
EVERYONE?
SHIRLEY?
SOMETHING?
THANK_YOU?

Shall I apologise in advance for being picky?

STemmosfire expressed concern about the social problems affecting Soton.
The City has some of the worst schools in the country. It has a higher than average rate of sexual and violent crime. It suffers from a high rate of teenage pregnancy and associated problems. In business terms it is a 'low pay' area.
There is absolutely no chance of this nasty little place ending up anything like a London suburb.

Think i'm having a blonde moment....am I right in reading that he was laid there undiscovered for 17 days ? Attacked 3rd July and left hospital that day but not found until 20th.

That seems like a really long time for someone that distinguishable to be go untraced for that length of time only to be found in a fairly busy park.

I know three girls who were attacked in the radcliff area on saturday night, there handbags were stolen. They were in an apartment and seven youths kicked the door in and assalted two of the girls, one as I know of has a broken nose because she tried to put up a defence and one other tried to put up a defence and was also assalted.

SRH74 wrote:
Think i'm having a blonde moment....am I right in reading that he was laid there undiscovered for 17 days ? Attacked 3rd July and left hospital that day but not found until 20th.

That seems like a really long time for someone that distinguishable to be go untraced for that length of time only to be found in a fairly busy park.

It is popular with dog walkers .. the stream is set back from the path and a bit overgrown.. so if he was in the stream am not suprised he was there for so long.

SRH74 wrote:
Think i'm having a blonde moment....am I right in reading that he was laid there undiscovered for 17 days ? Attacked 3rd July and left hospital that day but not found until 20th.

That seems like a really long time for someone that distinguishable to be go untraced for that length of time only to be found in a fairly busy park.

Smart thinking, imagine someone; family, friends, pub regulars... would have missed him and raised their concern?

this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

This is getting nuts now.
Official statistics say Southampton is 3rd most violent city in England/Wales. (Population and size taken into consideration).

To be quite honest I enjoyed us being the 'Toughest in the South' but it's gone way past that.

Whether it's the increasingly sadistic violence we see on the estates or, the total lack of compassion shown on 'Echo' posts (chav scum etc) by the 'psuedo-middle-class
'.

There's a definite viciousness to the people here now.
(And yes. Born+bred)

Well there it is, Coxford not the area of assault. Every time some "crime" is described on this site there are posters who lash out at the area & the people. As another said, there are problems in all areas, often described as "isolated or rare occurrence".....As a person brought up in Coxford, walked to Shirley Warren to school each day, lived in Millbrook and the "Flower roads" I can say I knew people from all walks of life, still do. I knew some great people from these areas and of course there are also the noted "problem" families. I ( maybe luckily) was never assaulted wether alone or with friends. Last time I was in the UK the changes were noticeable..... The world is angrier & these incidents will keep happening. As a one parent family I left So'ton and am glad to say all my kids work and are not in the justice system. No-one knows what is in store in their future. RIP Shawn wherever you were from and condolences to friends and family.

TUNA_MAN wrote:
R.I.P very worrying,But people saying "im shocked" etc tbh Im not shocked the northam estate has been troubelsome for ages,One of my best friends was murderd in radcliffe playing park a over a year ago, Also go on youtube and type in "smmb or st marys or notham boys" You will be sickened by some of the assualts on there and i mean random assualts. As for northam albion towers must be the worst tower block in the whole of southampton, Deprived area. All my thoughts are with shawn's (simons) family right about now, I really hope the police find these murder's because it won't be a single person involved it will be a gang....R.I.P

I had a look on YouTube, what can I say without having my comment removed. Go check it out and see the type of people that are in these gangs.

Condor Man wrote:
this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis
h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

TUNA_MAN wrote:

Sottonlass wrote: I'm sincerley sorry for this tradegy. All i wanted to say was when this story first came out a lot of people where naming coxford area as almost a no go zone. Though the area is not populated by angels i wish to point out to thoose people who jumped the gun >> the attack didnt take place anywhere near this side of southampton!

Ain't you from millbrook tho ?

Yes Tuna Man you are correct i am currently living in Millbrook - however i dont understand your point/problem about that though?

McSholing wrote:
This is getting nuts now.
Official statistics say Southampton is 3rd most violent city in England/Wales. (Population and size taken into consideration).

To be quite honest I enjoyed us being the 'Toughest in the South' but it's gone way past that.

Whether it's the increasingly sadistic violence we see on the estates or, the total lack of compassion shown on 'Echo' posts (chav scum etc) by the 'psuedo-middle-class

'.

There's a definite viciousness to the people here now.
(And yes. Born+bred)

Bravo!
.
However, it should be stated that the figures only cover reported crime (obviously) and not necessarily even a true account of the horrors that go on. Maybe we're just a City of dobbers!
.
I totally agree about the viciousness here (interpreting 'here' to mean this website for the purpose of making the following point). People who probably behave with nothing but civility in daily life, come here to expound such deep-rooted hate of anyone who differs even slightly from them.

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up.
.
It's still racism.

timjim wrote:

VIVERS wrote:
I would like to except the apology from every one dissing shiley warren and coxford suggesting the kids in the area had some thing to do with the unfortunate chap who died thankyou

ACCEPT?
EVERYONE?
SHIRLEY?
SOMETHING?
THANK_YOU?

Shall I apologise in advance for being picky?

Beat me to it, timjim!!

I will not apologise for slating the warren (coxford for those who want to make out they dont live in a dingy hole).
I have lived in weston, st denys, flower estates, the warren, millbrook, sholing for a bit, maybush, st marys....all the "bad estates"
I did feel insecure in Northam and St Marys but never had any trouble there, just felt worried by the reputation.
The Warren by far is the most aggressive place where the threat of attack is worse than the fear of attack.
The damage these people do to people and property is hideous and endless.
No apologies from me.
work-hike (not likely in the warren - excluding those few who are genuinely good guys)

Firstly I would like to say R.I.P Shawn (Simon) and my thoughts are with his family. Secondly yet again there are people slagging off Shirley Warren/Coxford (Which by the way is a different area not made up so we can make out we don't live in a 'Dingy hole' thanks very much this area is not the greatest of area there is alot worse in southampton fact. Also the warren is not aggressive it's a close knit community as for the fear of attack threat of attack why are these not in the paper everyday of the week then if there that bad or the so called damage i'll tell you why cause they don't happen not as often as people make out. just because coxford has been in the paper over the last week everyone (Well alot of people) has branded it as such a terrible and rough area when it really ain't.

StEmmosfire wrote:
This is very worrying that gang violence be associated with this city. I do hope that it is a one off and the Police put an end to this culture once and for all by issuing heavy sentences to the criminals and people responsible. I do not want to see this city end up like London.

The police don't issue sentences as you put it, its the courts. Its the courts that let us all down time and time again!

Interesting to note that racism has been dragged into the discussion.
(Patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel).

gristle wrote:
Interesting to note that racism has been dragged into the discussion. (Patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel).

not racism, a culture of a certain group of people. Dont play the racism card.

RadicalEmu wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up. . It's still racism.

racism is a grey area, what is racism to one person is completely acceptable by another. But to address peoples opinions by shouting racism every time somebody has a controversial opinion is just wrong, we have freedom of speech in this country and I intend to use it.

SotonLad wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: This is very worrying that gang violence be associated with this city. I do hope that it is a one off and the Police put an end to this culture once and for all by issuing heavy sentences to the criminals and people responsible. I do not want to see this city end up like London.

The police don't issue sentences as you put it, its the courts. Its the courts that let us all down time and time again!

you are quite right, it was an off the cuff remark. It is the courts that decide, I just hope the Police are giving the power to arrest and question anybody without anyone screaming the human rights act at them. I completely support the Police in this investigation. As far as I am concerned if it was a gang that was involved every last one of them should be charged with the murder, no excuses like I was just watching, you didnt prevent it therefore your just as guilty as the person that inflicted the wounds.

Sorry to point this out but....you are wrong. I know plenty of people who like to say they live in Coxford when they actually live in the warren.
The "close knit community" you say you belong to are probably the same group of extendend families who live within the area and who cause the majority of the problems.
Its rubbish that there is no violence or damage done in the area, I can recall many from my own personal history....a burning bin pushed in front of a taxi while the occupants were beaten up, a caravan pushed onto the avenue and set light to, hundreds of nurses cars broken into, 11 non-related familys driven out of the area, a car I once was going to buy was given to me after the guy got so depressed when the tyres were slashed and windows smashed, the house in sycamore road being dismantled brick by brick by a squatting family, the garages opposit the social club were destroyed, Spar shop had to close due to theft and trouble a funeral parlour opened up in its place only to be shut down due to trouble, police car destroyed in sycamore road, asian familys driven out twice in a couple of years by a group of people who claim persecution, old people in the flats on Jessamine Road had their homes and bins repeatedly damaged, windows smashed in homes of people who wouldnt buy stuff stolen from shops, we were offered "half price" baby milk tokens on many occasions....untaxed and uninsured vehicles litter the roads, just the other day there was a brawl involving machettes, A schoolboy who also watched the fight said: “One man was coming down the road waving a spade.
He added: “This is the Warren. There is always trouble.”
Sadly, these incidents are in the paper often every week but many go unreported for fear of repercussions and I know that for a FACT. People who are steadily victimised tend to try and keep their heads down and not call "the old bill" who wont turn up till after the dust has cleared!
It is the stink trap of Southampton.

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

The Kray twins?

SotonLad wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:
This is very worrying that gang violence be associated with this city. I do hope that it is a one off and the Police put an end to this culture once and for all by issuing heavy sentences to the criminals and people responsible. I do not want to see this city end up like London.

The police don't issue sentences as you put it, its the courts. Its the courts that let us all down time and time again!

It's the politicians that set sentencing guidelines. The judiciary apply the law, they don't set it.

StEmmosfire wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up. . It's still racism.

racism is a grey area, what is racism to one person is completely acceptable by another. But to address peoples opinions by shouting racism every time somebody has a controversial opinion is just wrong, we have freedom of speech in this country and I intend to use it.

You're taking a complex issue and twisting it to suit your own agenda. Please show me any evidence that crime and violence in Southampton is predominantly committed by one ethnic group. You can't, because there isn't any.

First of all I would like to thank those people who posted words of support.
I am very disappointed by the various posts about certain areas of Southampton, there are some great people living in all areas with only very few trouble makers.
As for the racism, I have friends from all cultures so please give it a rest until the Police have made an arrest.
I would instead beg you all to ask around friends, aquaintances and work colleages to see if they have heard anything that may help the Police with their enquiries.
Thank you.
Simon/Shawn`s Dad.

StEmmosfire wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up. . It's still racism.

racism is a grey area, what is racism to one person is completely acceptable by another. But to address peoples opinions by shouting racism every time somebody has a controversial opinion is just wrong, we have freedom of speech in this country and I intend to use it.

It's not a grey area. You're either prejudiced against someone based on their nationality/colour, or you're not.
.
It's quite black and white... As it were.

KA wrote:

SRH74 wrote: Think i'm having a blonde moment....am I right in reading that he was laid there undiscovered for 17 days ? Attacked 3rd July and left hospital that day but not found until 20th. That seems like a really long time for someone that distinguishable to be go untraced for that length of time only to be found in a fairly busy park.

It is popular with dog walkers .. the stream is set back from the path and a bit overgrown.. so if he was in the stream am not suprised he was there for so long.

i really am surprised he was there that long,i am aregular walker along there with my dog.The dog is in the stream all the time as we walk along,more than the foot path!! i dont get it but am glad i didnt find him at least. Also alot of kids do play that way making little bridges across the water etc..But such a sad storie,my condolences to shawn(simons) family x

RIP to shawn, thinking of you today and your family.Every part of Southampton has good parts and bad areas, now maybe all this rubbish about where you live will stop.This just proves it.The poor lad was attacked in Northam and ended up in Coxford.You cant blame an area for incidents blame the people who commit the crime.

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

DCM wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Condor Man wrote: this 'no angels' mentality is simply a cop-out. People are too weak to take nasty people on. Why should a man be beaten to death under any circumstances? It's sick and depraved. A brave society stands up for what is right. Spot appeasing scum, take them on and let's reclaim this city for the decent majority

You cant without being labelled a racist.

Here we go again StEmmosfire - the nasty people must be non-white/non-Britis h. You are a disgrace and simply pathetic. But then you probably already know that don't you.

your in denial, and yes that is a river in Africa. The facts and figures are there for all to see. And no, I dont believe what you suggest I think either. There are criminals from all works of life but there is a serious problem in this country that needs to be addressed and it's about time we did speak up about it without fear of being called a racist. We all know where this gang violence is stemming from.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up. . It's still racism.

racism is a grey area, what is racism to one person is completely acceptable by another. But to address peoples opinions by shouting racism every time somebody has a controversial opinion is just wrong, we have freedom of speech in this country and I intend to use it.

You're taking a complex issue and twisting it to suit your own agenda. Please show me any evidence that crime and violence in Southampton is predominantly committed by one ethnic group. You can't, because there isn't any.

If your ex police then you know thats not true.

Emmo: Give us some evidence! Give us some official figures that justify your opinion! If you can't, then kindly stop spouting nonsense.

why do some reports say he was found in the stream and others say next to the stream.Which was it? I just dont understand how a body can go that long without being found.The areas either side of the stream or walk ways are not very big ones! i dont get how so many dogs can pass through there and not find the body earlier than 17days. I go through there all the time with my dog and usually dogs have a good nose. But besides that i feel so sorry for shawns family and for him and i hope they catch the thugs that harmed him in the first place

You know what? Iregret writing anything on this site even though my words where not wrote with any ill intention at all. Human curiosity gets the better of us but the real depth is in the familys suffering. I so hope nothing i wrote upset the family but even looking at my last comment disgusts me as if i was a family member of Shawn i can imagine any comment other than comfort would upset me. I want to apologise to shawns family for writing on this site as i dont know how or if i can delete..Ive learnt a valid lesson reading the familys different comments on these sites and i sincereley apologise for writing anything other than im sorry for your loss.My thoughts are with you .

now in the north wrote:
Sorry to point this out but....you are wrong. I know plenty of people who like to say they live in Coxford when they actually live in the warren. The "close knit community" you say you belong to are probably the same group of extendend families who live within the area and who cause the majority of the problems. Its rubbish that there is no violence or damage done in the area, I can recall many from my own personal history....a burning bin pushed in front of a taxi while the occupants were beaten up, a caravan pushed onto the avenue and set light to, hundreds of nurses cars broken into, 11 non-related familys driven out of the area, a car I once was going to buy was given to me after the guy got so depressed when the tyres were slashed and windows smashed, the house in sycamore road being dismantled brick by brick by a squatting family, the garages opposit the social club were destroyed, Spar shop had to close due to theft and trouble a funeral parlour opened up in its place only to be shut down due to trouble, police car destroyed in sycamore road, asian familys driven out twice in a couple of years by a group of people who claim persecution, old people in the flats on Jessamine Road had their homes and bins repeatedly damaged, windows smashed in homes of people who wouldnt buy stuff stolen from shops, we were offered "half price" baby milk tokens on many occasions....untaxed and uninsured vehicles litter the roads, just the other day there was a brawl involving machettes, A schoolboy who also watched the fight said: “One man was coming down the road waving a spade. He added: “This is the Warren. There is always trouble.” Sadly, these incidents are in the paper often every week but many go unreported for fear of repercussions and I know that for a FACT. People who are steadily victimised tend to try and keep their heads down and not call "the old bill" who wont turn up till after the dust has cleared! It is the stink trap of Southampton.

Well at least you got some interesting stories to tell, better than a dul cul de sac. This area is not the only one that suffers, no need to say that most of southampton has similar or worse problems and most cities and large towns do, people know this. If you don't like it move away from heavily built up areas.