Public meeting called to tackle antisocial behaviour

Daily Echo: Southampton police to be quizzed on moped menace Southampton police to be quizzed on moped menace

RESIDENTS of a Southampton estate plagued by unruly youngsters on motorbikes will get to quiz police about the problem at a public meeting.

The youngsters race around footpaths and woods of Lordshill and Lordswood on motorcycles and mopeds.

But residents complain the police and council are not doing enough to stamp out the antisocial behaviour.

The Daily Echo reported how grandad Derek Watts, 54, called police more than 15 times about yobs racing down a footpath next to his house every evening.

His eight-year-old granddaughter nearly got knocked over by one of the motorcyclists, who he says often ride without helmets and blacked-out number plates.

The gangs use the footpath alongside Derek’s home in Viking Close, Lordshill, to get to Five Acre Fields at speeds of up to 70mph.

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Mr Watts warned: “It’s a death waiting to happen.”

Now Labour ward councillors Keith Morrell and Don Thomas are organising a public meeting to put the authorities on the spot.

Councillor Morrell said: “What may seem just a laugh to these youngsters is a terrible nuisance and danger for residents. The police have had some success but we hope that this meeting will provide an opportunity for residents and the agencies involved to arrive at a lasting solution.”

Councillor Don Thomas said: “Only by working together, and everyone taking responsibility – the community, the police, politicians, council agencies, each and everyone of us – can we seriously beat the menace of unlawful motorbikes in our area. Enough is enough”.

Chief Inspector of Constabulary Sir Denis O’Connor has blamed a “retreat from the streets” by frontline police for letting antisocial behaviour spiral out of control.

But police in Southampton claim tackling motorcycles is one of their two main community priorities in Coxford.

The meeting is planned for Lord’s Hill Church in early November.

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9:56am Mon 27 Sep 10

Bam Boozler says...

You would think that if it is not acceptable to chase them on the ground, they could be monitored by the air until they either abandon the bike or take it home - where officers could swoop in.
Unfortunately Hampshire has lost its spotter plane and will be reliant on 2 other forces' helicopters who aren't likely to be able to provide the level of cover required to deal with this menace.
Well done to those involved for cutting officers' ability to fight crime, hope you are proud of yourselves.
You would think that if it is not acceptable to chase them on the ground, they could be monitored by the air until they either abandon the bike or take it home - where officers could swoop in. Unfortunately Hampshire has lost its spotter plane and will be reliant on 2 other forces' helicopters who aren't likely to be able to provide the level of cover required to deal with this menace. Well done to those involved for cutting officers' ability to fight crime, hope you are proud of yourselves. Bam Boozler

10:24am Mon 27 Sep 10

bigmonkeyman says...

instead of spending £50,000 at cadnam on a main road to impeed drivers,maybe they should of spent it educating the kids in lordshill to the dangers or riding on footpaths.As usual it seems the old bill take the easy option.Waste of space the lot of them
instead of spending £50,000 at cadnam on a main road to impeed drivers,maybe they should of spent it educating the kids in lordshill to the dangers or riding on footpaths.As usual it seems the old bill take the easy option.Waste of space the lot of them bigmonkeyman

10:37am Mon 27 Sep 10

Saintbob says...

"at speeds of up to 70mph"

What a load of rubbish. Those chav scooters can bearly do 30mph.

A snail can crawl UP TO 1,000,000 mph
"at speeds of up to 70mph" What a load of rubbish. Those chav scooters can bearly do 30mph. A snail can crawl UP TO 1,000,000 mph Saintbob

10:41am Mon 27 Sep 10

Saintbob says...

Also its not too far to B&Q.

Buy a box of 2" nails, a sheet of ply and build you own home made stingger. When you spot a chav on their chav scooter comming pop it on the path.

Be sure to get it out the way before any kids, pedestrians, mobility scooters, police ect come along.
Also its not too far to B&Q. Buy a box of 2" nails, a sheet of ply and build you own home made stingger. When you spot a chav on their chav scooter comming pop it on the path. Be sure to get it out the way before any kids, pedestrians, mobility scooters, police ect come along. Saintbob

11:10am Mon 27 Sep 10

zoom-in says...

Meetings with the police on this are a complete waste of time. The same scenario 5 years ago produced a similar meeting where the community was promised action. Sure enough the police were out in force for about 2 weeks and then disappeared again!
Education, forget it! Several of these yobs mates have died or been maimed but it makes no difference. Until the police catch these lunatics and scrap their death machines nothing will improve.
Sorry Mr Watts but your best hope is to pray for continuous rain - they dont come out in the wet!
Meetings with the police on this are a complete waste of time. The same scenario 5 years ago produced a similar meeting where the community was promised action. Sure enough the police were out in force for about 2 weeks and then disappeared again! Education, forget it! Several of these yobs mates have died or been maimed but it makes no difference. Until the police catch these lunatics and scrap their death machines nothing will improve. Sorry Mr Watts but your best hope is to pray for continuous rain - they dont come out in the wet! zoom-in

12:12pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Forest Resident says...

This meeting will sadly achieve very little indeed, as with all the best will in the world the frontline officers who would be deployed to such incidents have their hands tied by 'force policy' which prevent them from taking the required measures to stop a moped/motorbike. This problem will only be solved when the policy makers in their ivory towers at Winchester get off their backsides and allow frontline officers to do the job they love without the fear of disciplinary action at every turn.
This meeting will sadly achieve very little indeed, as with all the best will in the world the frontline officers who would be deployed to such incidents have their hands tied by 'force policy' which prevent them from taking the required measures to stop a moped/motorbike. This problem will only be solved when the policy makers in their ivory towers at Winchester get off their backsides and allow frontline officers to do the job they love without the fear of disciplinary action at every turn. Forest Resident

12:37pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Condor Man says...

Typical Don Thomas, he fails to mention the real people who need to get involved who are the parents of these children. Don't be shy Don, be bold and come out and start criticising these feckless people who are ruining YOUR area.
Typical Don Thomas, he fails to mention the real people who need to get involved who are the parents of these children. Don't be shy Don, be bold and come out and start criticising these feckless people who are ruining YOUR area. Condor Man

12:40pm Mon 27 Sep 10

teh says...

This has been happening for years, even when I started at Oaklands in 2001 and finished in 2006 there was people riding around on stolen bikes, mopeds and the like on 5 acres and surrounding areas.

At one point they were in the school and Dr. Hollis head teacher at the time wrestled with one mopedist.

Why has this suddenly become a problem now!?
This has been happening for years, even when I started at Oaklands in 2001 and finished in 2006 there was people riding around on stolen bikes, mopeds and the like on 5 acres and surrounding areas. At one point they were in the school and Dr. Hollis head teacher at the time wrestled with one mopedist. Why has this suddenly become a problem now!? teh

12:43pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Barbender says...

Today & most schooldays there is at least one illegal motorcycle around oaklands school, today it was a red & white trials type with no plates but the rider wore a helmet the time was around 11:20 he will most likely be back between 13:00 & 13:20 & again about 14:45 that is the usual timetable.
I thought you might like a tip off, thats when we could do with a little police prescence, not that it will do much good.
Today & most schooldays there is at least one illegal motorcycle around oaklands school, today it was a red & white trials type with no plates but the rider wore a helmet the time was around 11:20 he will most likely be back between 13:00 & 13:20 & again about 14:45 that is the usual timetable. I thought you might like a tip off, thats when we could do with a little police prescence, not that it will do much good. Barbender

12:48pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Keith Oftergrass says...

Lordshill residents - it's your toerag children causing the problems, why not sort them out yourselves rather than get the Police to waste taxpayers money ?

So long as they stick to the lawless estates and don't harrass decent people then it won't be an issue.
Lordshill residents - it's your toerag children causing the problems, why not sort them out yourselves rather than get the Police to waste taxpayers money ? So long as they stick to the lawless estates and don't harrass decent people then it won't be an issue. Keith Oftergrass

12:48pm Mon 27 Sep 10

stmarysmush says...

Why dont they put a speed camera`s up on the paths ? This would poduce money for the Police and then they will become more active in this anti-social behaviour.
Why dont they put a speed camera`s up on the paths ? This would poduce money for the Police and then they will become more active in this anti-social behaviour. stmarysmush

1:05pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Barbender says...

Perhaps the council could deploy thier "nieghbourhood wardens". That would be more useful than poop snooping, I think the illegal bikes are a bigger problem.
Perhaps the council could deploy thier "nieghbourhood wardens". That would be more useful than poop snooping, I think the illegal bikes are a bigger problem. Barbender

2:08pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Big Mac says...

stmarysmush wrote:
Why dont they put a speed camera`s up on the paths ? This would poduce money for the Police and then they will become more active in this anti-social behaviour.
Because most of the bikes don't display a number plate and even if they did, are most likely nicked. So, collecting any fines (even if you could track them down) would be nigh on impossible. A few obstacles, dustbins, old garden furniture and a couple of trip wires would help deter and the old broom handle through the spokes always works!
[quote][p][bold]stmarysmush[/bold] wrote: Why dont they put a speed camera`s up on the paths ? This would poduce money for the Police and then they will become more active in this anti-social behaviour.[/p][/quote]Because most of the bikes don't display a number plate and even if they did, are most likely nicked. So, collecting any fines (even if you could track them down) would be nigh on impossible. A few obstacles, dustbins, old garden furniture and a couple of trip wires would help deter and the old broom handle through the spokes always works! Big Mac

2:48pm Mon 27 Sep 10

freemantlegirl2 says...

Keith Oftergrass wrote:
Lordshill residents - it's your toerag children causing the problems, why not sort them out yourselves rather than get the Police to waste taxpayers money ?

So long as they stick to the lawless estates and don't harrass decent people then it won't be an issue.
If this wasn't such an ignorant post it would be funny!

Good idea to have a community meeting, hope they can find some solution together before someone is seriously hurt and to rid the area of the nuisance...
[quote][p][bold]Keith Oftergrass[/bold] wrote: Lordshill residents - it's your toerag children causing the problems, why not sort them out yourselves rather than get the Police to waste taxpayers money ? So long as they stick to the lawless estates and don't harrass decent people then it won't be an issue.[/p][/quote]If this wasn't such an ignorant post it would be funny! Good idea to have a community meeting, hope they can find some solution together before someone is seriously hurt and to rid the area of the nuisance... freemantlegirl2

3:49pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Brock_and_Roll says...

Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that.
Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that. Brock_and_Roll

4:16pm Mon 27 Sep 10

262red@blue says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that.
i agree with b@r above comment as i would have done the same as its the only way to sort out these chavs, , ps i have'nt seen city patrol for a while.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that.[/p][/quote]i agree with b@r above comment as i would have done the same as its the only way to sort out these chavs, , ps i have'nt seen city patrol for a while. 262red@blue

4:58pm Mon 27 Sep 10

D.a.v.e says...

Why not just install handrails or bollards across the paths? Stagger them so that pushchairs and prams can get thru but mopeds and cycles can't.
Why not just install handrails or bollards across the paths? Stagger them so that pushchairs and prams can get thru but mopeds and cycles can't. D.a.v.e

5:01pm Mon 27 Sep 10

Fur Q says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that.
haha, that is brilliant, rough justice
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Suffered a similar problem about 5 years ago at elderly parents house which has a footpath adjacent to it. Got all blacked out, put on a balaclava and hid in a bush for a couple of hours. As one young lad came past I clotheslined him. He was shaking with fear - told him I was on leave from army and he had woken me up. They never came back! I am sure there are some people in Lordshill that can handle a situation like that.[/p][/quote]haha, that is brilliant, rough justice Fur Q

6:53pm Mon 27 Sep 10

rh says...

GUYS!!! You are all missing a trick here...a moped MUST be restricted to 30mph, derestricting it as a simple matter and you may be certain that 99% or more of these scooters are without their legally required restrictors. Therefore they are no longer a MOPED which creates a licence offence and an insurance offence or (enough points for a ban) AND the fact they are not insured (due to the illegal mofification) means they MUST be siezed (and crushed)!!! The police have the equipment to check to see if a Scooter has been de restricted and regularly use it in Andover. So...persuade them to check the ones being complained about and get rid of your problem permanently!
GUYS!!! You are all missing a trick here...a moped MUST be restricted to 30mph, derestricting it as a simple matter and you may be certain that 99% or more of these scooters are without their legally required restrictors. Therefore they are no longer a MOPED which creates a licence offence and an insurance offence or (enough points for a ban) AND the fact they are not insured (due to the illegal mofification) means they MUST be siezed (and crushed)!!! The police have the equipment to check to see if a Scooter has been de restricted and regularly use it in Andover. So...persuade them to check the ones being complained about and get rid of your problem permanently! rh

10:25pm Mon 27 Sep 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

It's been scramble bikes in Daisy Dip, three up and no helmets, only young once I suppose, lucky if you get older....
It's been scramble bikes in Daisy Dip, three up and no helmets, only young once I suppose, lucky if you get older.... OSPREYSAINT

1:49pm Tue 28 Sep 10

monkeenuts says...

rh wrote:
GUYS!!! You are all missing a trick here...a moped MUST be restricted to 30mph, derestricting it as a simple matter and you may be certain that 99% or more of these scooters are without their legally required restrictors. Therefore they are no longer a MOPED which creates a licence offence and an insurance offence or (enough points for a ban) AND the fact they are not insured (due to the illegal mofification) means they MUST be siezed (and crushed)!!! The police have the equipment to check to see if a Scooter has been de restricted and regularly use it in Andover. So...persuade them to check the ones being complained about and get rid of your problem permanently!
Absolutely rh, this is a simple test which the police can carry out to sort this problem. I wish they would do something before these 'moped' riders kill themselves or even worse an innocent bystander.

This problem with 'mopeds' is at an epademic level in Southampton but to be honest I think the police don't want the hassle.

Oh I would not worry about about their being uninsured I can guarantee you 90% will not be.

If the police were to do something, could they also look at the many cars that tear around the estates and main roads recklessly which have clearly been modified as you can hear by the turbo dump valves and straight through exhausts (and I don't even know that much about cars!)

PW = fund-fine !!!!
[quote][p][bold]rh[/bold] wrote: GUYS!!! You are all missing a trick here...a moped MUST be restricted to 30mph, derestricting it as a simple matter and you may be certain that 99% or more of these scooters are without their legally required restrictors. Therefore they are no longer a MOPED which creates a licence offence and an insurance offence or (enough points for a ban) AND the fact they are not insured (due to the illegal mofification) means they MUST be siezed (and crushed)!!! The police have the equipment to check to see if a Scooter has been de restricted and regularly use it in Andover. So...persuade them to check the ones being complained about and get rid of your problem permanently![/p][/quote]Absolutely rh, this is a simple test which the police can carry out to sort this problem. I wish they would do something before these 'moped' riders kill themselves or even worse an innocent bystander. This problem with 'mopeds' is at an epademic level in Southampton but to be honest I think the police don't want the hassle. Oh I would not worry about about their being uninsured I can guarantee you 90% will not be. If the police were to do something, could they also look at the many cars that tear around the estates and main roads recklessly which have clearly been modified as you can hear by the turbo dump valves and straight through exhausts (and I don't even know that much about cars!) PW = fund-fine !!!! monkeenuts

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