Drunk caught urinating on Cenotaph during pub crawl (From Daily Echo)

name and shame

I am young and still respect those people that serve our country,
So why can't other young people get it through their thick heads aswell to respect.
It costs nothing.

and they wonder why students have such a bad reputation.

The city fathers understood that people sometimes had the need to urinate and so provided wonderful public conveniences on the corner of Commercial Road and Above Bar - just yards from the Cenotaph. These were closed down a few years ago and the area concreted over.
Some call this progress.

So drunk he dosent know what hes **** on i expect.

The guy is a fool. But take away all public toilets and what do you expect? This is not the responsibility of the University or Carnage. It is the Council who have closed the public conveniences (the clue is in the name) and frittered our money away on rubbish.
He should be made to do community service in a veterans home.

This looks a bit staged to me. He's well lit (i.e. not a camera flash) but it was night time. Is the War Memorial flood-lit? Who would choose to take a pee in such a well lit place?
Who takes pictures of people having a pee?

My Great Grand Fathers name is on the Cenotaph. I doubt its the first time it has happened.

Good point - nothing showing his face so he is protected and the snap will sell well I would expect.

Not too long now until Remembrance Sunday, the 14th of November. Once this young man is identified, perhaps he would care to join the rest of those remembering our fallen, join in the memorial service, and lay a wreath in their memory? Let him stand in shame, alongside the war veterans and the families of those who have been lost.

There is no excuse for urinating on the cenotaph but there is a huge shortage of public toilets in Southampton.

The West End of London has toilets that emerge out of the ground (true) at night. Perhaps Southampton should invest in the same in the Above Bar/Bedford Place area.

At least men can find a dark alleyway to do it but I feel sorry for women.

I also love the assumption he is drunk and he is a student.
He may have bought that t-shirt off someone and posed for the picture at 5am.
Where are the contextual pictures which show him staggering back to his friends?

Are we sure that the photo is genuine and that the young man's picture hasn't been put on there in place of the original perp? The shadow suggests that the culprit is a police constable wearing his helmet.

If this is a genuine picture fine, identify the person and kick him out of uni. However the picture especially the shadow and the aspect of the shadow in the foreground do not appear to relate to what we are actually seeing.
Also Mr Reeve were you not a student once. no doubt getting your life as well as academic qualifications. Would you rather 1000 students hit town on their own, or in smaller stewarded groups? I m sure i know what the publicans and police would prefer.

Steve Hudson wrote:
The guy is a fool. But take away all public toilets and what do you expect? This is not the responsibility of the University or Carnage. It is the Council who have closed the public conveniences (the clue is in the name) and frittered our money away on rubbish. He should be made to do community service in a veterans home.

i'm sorry but all adults can either go when they are near a toilet or hold it until they are. If you go drinking from bar to bar they have plenty of toilets in them...go before you leave it's simple!

Even if he really desperately needed to go...there are plenty of trees around the park why not use those rather than a memorial?! The punishment should be made very clear for this so to highlight it to everyone else. A fine and community service should be the minimum.

Stupid question, but as someone was taking this picture, why didn't they just wait till the person turned around and take a picture of his face? Then they would know who it was.

Or is that stating the blinkin' obvious?

Ooh friend wrote:
Stupid question, but as someone was taking this picture, why didn't they just wait till the person turned around and take a picture of his face? Then they would know who it was. Or is that stating the blinkin' obvious?

I thought this was CCTV footage...maybe it was taken from someone's camera...I suppose if they had taken a picture he might have seen and ran after them...

Get it right wrote:
This looks a bit staged to me. He's well lit (i.e. not a camera flash) but it was night time. Is the War Memorial flood-lit? Who would choose to take a pee in such a well lit place?
Who takes pictures of people having a pee?

Yeah, it does look a bit staged. It's possible, especially as whoever took the photo will no doubt be aware of the controversy caused at the Blackpool war memorial.
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Needless to say, if it isn't staged this guy should be kicked off his uni course (assuming he's a student) and made to do community service. On top of that he should be named and shamed. Some people need to learn some respect and decency.

soton1980 wrote:

Get it right wrote: This looks a bit staged to me. He's well lit (i.e. not a camera flash) but it was night time. Is the War Memorial flood-lit? Who would choose to take a pee in such a well lit place? Who takes pictures of people having a pee?

Yeah, it does look a bit staged. It's possible, especially as whoever took the photo will no doubt be aware of the controversy caused at the Blackpool war memorial. . Needless to say, if it isn't staged this guy should be kicked off his uni course (assuming he's a student) and made to do community service. On top of that he should be named and shamed. Some people need to learn some respect and decency.

The whole cenotaph is well lit up at night time...this is not from the flash of a camera!

There are CCTV cameras around there so you have to be pretty stupid to do something like this in a well lit area in front of them...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:

Ooh friend wrote:
Stupid question, but as someone was taking this picture, why didn't they just wait till the person turned around and take a picture of his face? Then they would know who it was. Or is that stating the blinkin' obvious?

I thought this was CCTV footage...maybe it was taken from someone's camera...I suppose if they had taken a picture he might have seen and ran after them...

Even if it was CCTV, the man would still have needed to turn around, to get out of the corner he's in. Well, unless he was doing a wacky student thing of "let's walk backwards all night game".

The camera taking the photo is at the same height as the "student".
Therefore very unlikely to be CCTV as these are almost never put at a height where tampering from ground level is possible.
The Echo need to inform us of where the picture came from.

Sorry, but this lad is drunk. He is not making a political statement by urinating on the Cenotaph on purpose. He is likely to not know the area and probably doesn't even know what he is doing. Everyone does silly things when they are drunk, and yes he should face the consequences, but I cannot imagine he is going this on purpose and wouldn't have done it sober. Perhaps the Echo could give the Council some grief for refusing to restore the engravings of people's names on the memorial, which would have cost a paltry 300k?

No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

I doubt there's a single bloke on this site who hasn't been forced to take a toilet break somewhere they probably shouldn't have after enjoying a few ales. Yes, he shouldn't have chosen the war memorial but he's some 18-year-old on the lash with no idea what the cenotaph is or what it represents. Let's not form a lynch mob.

I hope if they find this guy he will get a fine?

He had 3 choices... 1. pee his pants. 2 pee somewhere safe and lit up 3. go and find a bush in the park, potentially get raped, assaulted or stabbed with a heroin needle.
I know which one i'd choose... if any of this is actually genuine.

Obviously peeing on teh Cenotaph is not good, like someone says he probably didn't realise where he was.... but am pleased to see that people are not taking this at face value and questionning it instead of jumping on the 'let's birch him' bandwagon!

I agree, West End style toilets could be an idea, public loos are woefully absent in the city.... not that I'm defending men who whip it out for a pee in public mind!

People saying it's an effect of the council taking away public toilets.

I wonder then, did the council also remove the toilets from all the pubs and clubs? Or his house?

People are happy to try and blame the government for absolutely anythin...g...this guy isn't a child, he could have held on to it until he got to the next pub. People need to stop being so childish and accept responsibility for their actions.


Also, not that this really matters, but I'm also a student and find this disgraceful.

Waiting wrote:
If this is a genuine picture fine, identify the person and kick him out of uni. However the picture especially the shadow and the aspect of the shadow in the foreground do not appear to relate to what we are actually seeing. Also Mr Reeve were you not a student once. no doubt getting your life as well as academic qualifications. Would you rather 1000 students hit town on their own, or in smaller stewarded groups? I m sure i know what the publicans and police would prefer.

What difference does it make whether or not Mr Reeve was a student?

Does being a student excuse a person from conforming to accepted standards of behaviour?

There is no excuse whatsoever for this person's actions.

Unless they have been removed since I was last in the area, there are bushes in Watts Park and they would have benefitted from a dose of amonia.

rednwhite1 wrote:
No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

Going back a few years I remember when a dog got electrocuted after cocking its leg on a lampost – in the self same spot (honestly!)...what's good enough for the hound...?

Brite Spark wrote:
Not too long now until Remembrance Sunday, the 14th of November. Once this young man is identified, perhaps he would care to join the rest of those remembering our fallen, join in the memorial service, and lay a wreath in their memory? Let him stand in shame, alongside the war veterans and the families of those who have been lost.

Spot on

Linesman wrote:

Waiting wrote: If this is a genuine picture fine, identify the person and kick him out of uni. However the picture especially the shadow and the aspect of the shadow in the foreground do not appear to relate to what we are actually seeing. Also Mr Reeve were you not a student once. no doubt getting your life as well as academic qualifications. Would you rather 1000 students hit town on their own, or in smaller stewarded groups? I m sure i know what the publicans and police would prefer.

What difference does it make whether or not Mr Reeve was a student? Does being a student excuse a person from conforming to accepted standards of behaviour? There is no excuse whatsoever for this person's actions. Unless they have been removed since I was last in the area, there are bushes in Watts Park and they would have benefitted from a dose of amonia.

My point is that Mr Reeve has made several assumptions without being in full command of the facts..
. Does he know for sure this picture is genuine.
.He makes the assumption that the person is (a) A student (b) A "drunkard"
Although you would have to say if it is a genuine picture "drunkard" would be the kindest term you could use.
He then finally makes the wild claim that there were "A thousand boozed up students" again is this fact written by a skillful reporter, or sensationalist journalism?

The drinks are sooo flippin cheap during the week! £1 or less for a drink (vodka,beer etc) no wonder he doesn't care where he urinates, he must be completely smashed!! The bars and clubs need to stop pushing cheap drinks before the city can be cleaned up.

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

I did lots of things I was ashamed of in my youth, and I am sure that most of you have done also. As a bloke I have piddled in quite a few places where I should not have when I was very drunk - and as a keen fan of history, has it ever been any different?

Hopefully if the pic is genuine the person confirmed will be mortified when he sobers up. End of story.

I often go past the cenotaph and it is usually covered in drunk homeless people in the day time who seem make it thier meet up point.Name and shame them as well.

Family Bloke wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
Not too long now until Remembrance Sunday, the 14th of November. Once this young man is identified, perhaps he would care to join the rest of those remembering our fallen, join in the memorial service, and lay a wreath in their memory? Let him stand in shame, alongside the war veterans and the families of those who have been lost.

Spot on

Ditto

The fact most posters on this article are minimisers, deniers, or apologists, is a sad reflection on modern day society. Outright condemnation is all that is justified for such shameful behaviour.

to be honest people have been doing that for years deff when i was a lad 25 years
ago !!!!

jimbobbo wrote:
He had 3 choices... 1. pee his pants. 2 pee somewhere safe and lit up 3. go and find a bush in the park, potentially get raped, assaulted or stabbed with a heroin needle. I know which one i'd choose... if any of this is actually genuine.

You forgot to add 4. Be a pr*ck and pee on a war memorial.

He is obviously not a rugby player. Any self respecting rugby player would have taken option one then carried on drinking and eating his kebab.

WIMP

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

"Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less."

If your grandparents are no longer alive will it be okay if I p1ss over their memorial headstone?

I love the fact that people have come on here to defend the act of p*ssing on our war memorials...that says it all. If there are people out there who don't have any respect and don't find this disgusting then it will continue to happen.

This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last but it is a criminal offense and those being caught should have no complaints when they receive their punishment!

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

"Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less."

If your grandparents are no longer alive will it be okay if I p1ss over their memorial headstone?

Of course not claus. But then again, if it wasn't publicised in the papers I wouldn't know about it and therefore couldn't be offended by it.

You've addressed one (admittedly slightly provocative) sentence out of my post. What about the rest?

I can not believe some comments on it being the councils fault for not providing Loos:
1-he's on a pub crawl so has lots of oportunities to use a loo
2-get out of this blame culture it's no ones fault but his
3- just hold it till u get to a loo
4- he's an idiot

What do you expect from a generation of losers from workshy parents who will hand over the keys of our country to anyone who comes knocking.No backbone, no spirit and no fight.

There is no excuse for someone to do this, however if people want to use the Carnage as a scap-goat it only high lights the problems with society today. Everyone wants to pass the blame and no wants to stand up and take responsibility. He needs to be named and made to do community service. It is not the event to blame but a whole load of factors. Lets not be naive and believe this would not have happened if Carnage did not exist.

If this boy has been raised in such a way that this is acceptable behaviour then he would have done it whether he was wearing a carnage top or not.

Having been a student and attended Carnage I can say from a first person perspective that the event is well organised and the stewards go beyond the call of duty to keep people safe.

I personally can't understand a society that would prefer unsupervised students roaming their town drinking then a stewarded event where drink prices are higher, then any student night, where the numbers are controlled.

Finally, everyone is happy to criticise the youth of today, but who actually stands there and takes a picture of this happening? A photographer, no doubt a lot older, ready to point the figure at youth but simply stands by in the name of glory for his career rather then actually act and stop the incident ever occurring!! Is this an example to follow?

I believe the picture was staged as know for a fact the front of the memorial is heavily watched by stewards throughout the night. Strange that one boy snuck around the back, where it happened to be well lit and low and behold a press photographer just happened to be there. That seems very morale???

By all means blame todays younger generations for the way this country is going but at least act to change this and not stand and take a photograph!!! What kind of message does that send?

***me wrote:
There is no excuse for someone to do this, however if people want to use the Carnage as a scap-goat it only high lights the problems with society today. Everyone wants to pass the blame and no wants to stand up and take responsibility. He needs to be named and made to do community service. It is not the event to blame but a whole load of factors. Lets not be naive and believe this would not have happened if Carnage did not exist.

If this boy has been raised in such a way that this is acceptable behaviour then he would have done it whether he was wearing a carnage top or not.

Having been a student and attended Carnage I can say from a first person perspective that the event is well organised and the stewards go beyond the call of duty to keep people safe.

I personally can't understand a society that would prefer unsupervised students roaming their town drinking then a stewarded event where drink prices are higher, then any student night, where the numbers are controlled.

Finally, everyone is happy to criticise the youth of today, but who actually stands there and takes a picture of this happening? A photographer, no doubt a lot older, ready to point the figure at youth but simply stands by in the name of glory for his career rather then actually act and stop the incident ever occurring!! Is this an example to follow?

I believe the picture was staged as know for a fact the front of the memorial is heavily watched by stewards throughout the night. Strange that one boy snuck around the back, where it happened to be well lit and low and behold a press photographer just happened to be there. That seems very morale???

By all means blame todays younger generations for the way this country is going but at least act to change this and not stand and take a photograph!!! What kind of message does that send?

Quality comment!!

We live in a world where the media distort decent values and for some reason seem to promote personalities who are no better than pond life.

One only has to see from the w/e's most watched program how it was not talented , skilful or even hardworking entrants who were voted through- instead the rewards go to two contestants who proved nothing except having the loser's gift of the gab (gob).

Of course, the boy, whether a drunk student, one of the ubiquitous yobbos the Echo and its readers are so obsessed with these days, or (as suggested at least once above) somebody enjoined by the Echo to help them get a fatuous, pointless article, should be punished. And severely.
May I suggest that all the Echo editorial staff and everyone of those above who have posted sanctimonious rants – provided that they have never in their lives, ever passed water or performed a Technicolor yawn in an inappropriate place – be invited to stone him to death.

Redback wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

"Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less."

If your grandparents are no longer alive will it be okay if I p1ss over their memorial headstone?

Of course not claus. But then again, if it wasn't publicised in the papers I wouldn't know about it and therefore couldn't be offended by it.

You've addressed one (admittedly slightly provocative) sentence out of my post. What about the rest?

"slightly provocative"?

Come off it!

The "slightly provocative"was wrapped within other stuff by design, to make the overall post appear balanced. But, it's not balance.

The notion of questionable or offensive behaviour being inconsequential if not observed or reported, fails the logic test.

If a murder or a rape is not reported it is inconsequential an event, and assumes some spurious invalid importance when reported?

Your usual impressive wordcraft and highly-readable commentary on local happenings has taken a hit this time.!

The evidence for your view being out of touch is demonstrated by the overwhelming abhorrence by other posters to the p1sser in the article.

shame he didnt turn round, looks quite fit!

Ned Seagoon wrote:
Of course, the boy, whether a drunk student, one of the ubiquitous yobbos the Echo and its readers are so obsessed with these days, or (as suggested at least once above) somebody enjoined by the Echo to help them get a fatuous, pointless article, should be punished. And severely.
May I suggest that all the Echo editorial staff and everyone of those above who have posted sanctimonious rants – provided that they have never in their lives, ever passed water or performed a Technicolor yawn in an inappropriate place – be invited to stone him to death.

Blimey, that IS sharia law.

Ned Seagoon wrote:
Of course, the boy, whether a drunk student, one of the ubiquitous yobbos the Echo and its readers are so obsessed with these days, or (as suggested at least once above) somebody enjoined by the Echo to help them get a fatuous, pointless article, should be punished. And severely.
May I suggest that all the Echo editorial staff and everyone of those above who have posted sanctimonious rants – provided that they have never in their lives, ever passed water or performed a Technicolor yawn in an inappropriate place – be invited to stone him to death.

' . . . be invited to stone him to death."

Really.

How about setting him on fire then p1ssing on him to put out the flames?

clausentum wrote:

Ned Seagoon wrote:
Of course, the boy, whether a drunk student, one of the ubiquitous yobbos the Echo and its readers are so obsessed with these days, or (as suggested at least once above) somebody enjoined by the Echo to help them get a fatuous, pointless article, should be punished. And severely.
May I suggest that all the Echo editorial staff and everyone of those above who have posted sanctimonious rants – provided that they have never in their lives, ever passed water or performed a Technicolor yawn in an inappropriate place – be invited to stone him to death.

' . . . be invited to stone him to death."

Really.

How about setting him on fire then p1ssing on him to put out the flames?

.. but Count Jim Moriarty's friend makes a very relevant proviso.
Would you pass the test?
I wouldn’t – his point, I believe.

freefinker wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Ned Seagoon wrote:
Of course, the boy, whether a drunk student, one of the ubiquitous yobbos the Echo and its readers are so obsessed with these days, or (as suggested at least once above) somebody enjoined by the Echo to help them get a fatuous, pointless article, should be punished. And severely.
May I suggest that all the Echo editorial staff and everyone of those above who have posted sanctimonious rants – provided that they have never in their lives, ever passed water or performed a Technicolor yawn in an inappropriate place – be invited to stone him to death.

' . . . be invited to stone him to death."

Really.

How about setting him on fire then p1ssing on him to put out the flames?

.. but Count Jim Moriarty's friend makes a very relevant proviso.
Would you pass the test?
I wouldn’t – his point, I believe.

Nah. Observe closely - he's walking backwards to Christmas. Ying Tong . . .

No excuse. The guy was TOTALLY out of order. He just didn't give a **** where he was doing his 'business', nor what that structure means to so many. I wonder how he'd feel if his family were to point out to him that he had an ancestor commemorated on that monument, should that be the case. Ashamed, perhaps? Indifferent, more likely. And that is part of what is symtomatically wrong with a lot of people in these times - and not just the young either. On the general subject of the provision of public toilet facilities; NO excuse there either. Local authorities should most certainly NOT be closing them down, unless they are in a state of extreme disrepair, and even then they should be rebuilt. There are all kinds of designs which are relatively innexpensive to build and maintain. It should be a fundamental right (enshrined in law, if I had anything to do with it!) that the public have public toilet facilities provided in every town and city, even if only those little electronic door 'space ship' type designs. Funding (by sponsorship if necessary) simply MUST be found. It's quite despicable and innexcusable when it's not. People should not be put in a position of feeling awkward by entering e.g. a cafe with the feeling of being obliged to buy something in order to use a toilet facilitry. Not every town has a department store or a supermarket (with a toilet) handy.

Is anyone actually buried there?

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

"Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less."

If your grandparents are no longer alive will it be okay if I p1ss over their memorial headstone?

Of course not claus. But then again, if it wasn't publicised in the papers I wouldn't know about it and therefore couldn't be offended by it.

You've addressed one (admittedly slightly provocative) sentence out of my post. What about the rest?

"slightly provocative"?

Come off it!

The "slightly provocative"was wrapped within other stuff by design, to make the overall post appear balanced. But, it's not balance.

The notion of questionable or offensive behaviour being inconsequential if not observed or reported, fails the logic test.

If a murder or a rape is not reported it is inconsequential an event, and assumes some spurious invalid importance when reported?

Your usual impressive wordcraft and highly-readable commentary on local happenings has taken a hit this time.!

The evidence for your view being out of touch is demonstrated by the overwhelming abhorrence by other posters to the p1sser in the article.

Your argument doesn't hold up claus. Rape and murder are crimes against a person, which involve harm to another. An ill-judged wazz causes to harm or damage to either property or person.

And as for your last paragraph - since when was the majority view of Echo commenters a sensible yardstick for what's right???!!!! :-D

Redback wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote:

Redback wrote:

rednwhite1 wrote: No excuses for this . Public toilets or no public toilets , the cenotaph is placed infront of a huge park. The cenotaph is lit up at night as it has names on it. Go into the park and choose a bush from hundreds of bushes in the park and hide behind one discreetly to have a pee. I have had to this in the past because of lack of toilets so ive gone behind a bush to wee. But he is so **** he couldnt be bothered to go into the park behind the cenotaph and didnt even know what he is **** on.

Go into the park at night? You've gotta be kidding. So many attacks and assaults that the police themselves effectively declared it a no-go area a while back. Shame they couldn't have just patrolled it regularly instead.

I completely agree with you but not the park im talking about. The central parks by the bus shelters is were attacks and all sorts have happened but nothing the top end of town behind the cenotaph. Or saying that the park opposite the cenotaph which is more lit up and more opened space woth less bushes and trees. My point is that there are more places for this rather than the cenotaph.

Maybe. But with the record Southampton has over attacks in the park (and I'm sure there have been some in Watts Park?) I wouldn't fancy straying that way for a wazz personally.

And this is not going to be received well by those on here, but nonetheless: Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less. In fact, if it wasn't for the Echo reporting on it, no'one would know anything about this and no'one would be offended. Nothing's been damaged, and no'one's been hurt. Frankly, there are more important issues to deal with in Southampton than a drunken student taking an insensitively judged p***.

"Dead people are dead and I'm sure they couldn't care less."

If your grandparents are no longer alive will it be okay if I p1ss over their memorial headstone?

Of course not claus. But then again, if it wasn't publicised in the papers I wouldn't know about it and therefore couldn't be offended by it.

You've addressed one (admittedly slightly provocative) sentence out of my post. What about the rest?

"slightly provocative"?

Come off it!

The "slightly provocative"was wrapped within other stuff by design, to make the overall post appear balanced. But, it's not balance.

The notion of questionable or offensive behaviour being inconsequential if not observed or reported, fails the logic test.

If a murder or a rape is not reported it is inconsequential an event, and assumes some spurious invalid importance when reported?

Your usual impressive wordcraft and highly-readable commentary on local happenings has taken a hit this time.!

The evidence for your view being out of touch is demonstrated by the overwhelming abhorrence by other posters to the p1sser in the article.

Your argument doesn't hold up claus. Rape and murder are crimes against a person, which involve harm to another. An ill-judged wazz causes to harm or damage to either property or person.

And as for your last paragraph - since when was the majority view of Echo commenters a sensible yardstick for what's right???!!!! :-D

Your first paragraph is weak, nay indefensible. People can be hurt and damaged - the feelings of the relatives of those named on the memorial who viewed the picture, read the story and read comments such as your previous "slightly provocative " crass nonsense. :-(

Your second paragraph is a gem and I take my hat off to you for it. :-)

There is NO excuse for this.
He should now be an EX student and signed up for the army.

Okay, fine. We should kick him out of university, send him to afghanistan, then lock him up in solitary confinement for 20 years. Upon his release, we should bury him up to the neck and stone him to death. Twice. And then we should all line up to take a wazz on his unmarked grave.

That'll learn 'im.

I'm not excusing the person, but the fact is that the City Council do not provide public toilets, and they should.

Redback wrote:
Okay, fine. We should kick him out of university, send him to afghanistan, then lock him up in solitary confinement for 20 years. Upon his release, we should bury him up to the neck and stone him to death. Twice. And then we should all line up to take a wazz on his unmarked grave.

That'll learn 'im.

It's all Thatcher's fault. I've learned from reading this forum for eons, that everything that ever happened in the entire history of Humankind, is down to that pesky woman.

( If I may say so, I thought the "unmarked grave" bit, rather harsh )

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:
Okay, fine. We should kick him out of university, send him to afghanistan, then lock him up in solitary confinement for 20 years. Upon his release, we should bury him up to the neck and stone him to death. Twice. And then we should all line up to take a wazz on his unmarked grave.

That'll learn 'im.

It's all Thatcher's fault. I've learned from reading this forum for eons, that everything that ever happened in the entire history of Humankind, is down to that pesky woman.

( If I may say so, I thought the "unmarked grave" bit, rather harsh )

Harsh? Pah! Namby-pamby liberal.

Redback wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Redback wrote:
Okay, fine. We should kick him out of university, send him to afghanistan, then lock him up in solitary confinement for 20 years. Upon his release, we should bury him up to the neck and stone him to death. Twice. And then we should all line up to take a wazz on his unmarked grave.

That'll learn 'im.

It's all Thatcher's fault. I've learned from reading this forum for eons, that everything that ever happened in the entire history of Humankind, is down to that pesky woman.

( If I may say so, I thought the "unmarked grave" bit, rather harsh )

Harsh? Pah! Namby-pamby liberal.

Bah Humbug. Hey, no need to be politically offensive!!! Leave that to the Wannabe Marxist's. :-)

Leave it to the wannabe Marxist's what?

Redback wrote:
Leave it to the wannabe Marxist's what?

Very good question. And, one to which you may supply your own answer.

Big Deal, one idiot among over 1000 students enjoying themselves on a well organised night out.
Why is it that most of the above comments constantly knock the student population, have they missed out on a good education with a bit of fun in between while striving to graduate and move on to a decent job and a better life.

I just wish he had turned round for the camera as he looks quite fit :-)

It just goes to highlight how ineffective the thousands of pounds spent on CCTV cameras are.

I am furious.... reading this made my blood boil and i am usually a very calm person..... my great grandads name is on the Cenotaph so this totally heartless idiot has basically P'd on my great grandads grave....
He needs to be punished serverely and not just a small fine or picking up a little bit of rubbish in a council estate..... but something that makes him really realise how totally disrespectfull he really is.... i would even go as far as suggesting he visit Afganistan for a few weeks and have a small taste of what these heros have been and are going through.
If he's named and shamed maybe we should ask how he would feel if someone had gone to a cemetary and P'd on his family's grave!!

I have had to wait at the cenotaph entrance a few times and have seen this done more than once, and they did know what they were p'ing on... I have told them off for it and They think its funny!!!
So those of you who say its a stupid witch hunt, think again, what if they were doing it on a family headstone of yours!? would you still let them off?? because believe me, these guys know exactly what they are doing!

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What do you expect from a generation of losers from workshy parents who will hand over the keys of our country to anyone who comes knocking.No backbone, no spirit and no fight.

How unfair that once again all youngsters/students are labelled with the same ignorance. Yes this lad was a direspectfull prat but, there are a lot of hardworking students & young people here. Yes they like a night out getting drunk. In this day&age there is little else affordable entertainment for when they are not at college/uni or working themselves! This does not mean that i am condoning this lads behaviour mearly pointing out that i am sure not all 'mature' people wish to be known as grey haired old biddies - it is equally disrespectfull!|