Anti-nuclear sub report ‘is barred’ (From Daily Echo)

It wasn't on the agenda, so why should it be allowed to queue jump the process? People just pitching up willy-nilly is not the way to get things done.

Southamptons security is nowhere near the level to allow nuclear subs into it docks. Any naval base has armed security and road blocking sytems to prevent any terrorist entering the dockyard. This council dosent have a clue about this subject. Let the sub dock at portsmouth where it has the facilities to deal with this threat.

Get it banned from Southampton docks. Let the protesters speak. There is no reason for it to be here. Go to Portsmouth, thats where the Naval Base is. They also forgot to mention in that report about Human Error too.

To expect bit of open honesty from the establishment has always been bit of tall order.
But in recent times the arrogance of establishment has increased even more than what it used to be, or it could appear to be so because in the age of computers finding information has become comparatively easier.
If the authorities were really serious about safeguarding against any possible mishap they should be listening to ALL who could contribute to the debate/discussion. But what they are doing is trying to ignore/overlook ordinary people because establishment, in my view wrongly, believes that its own pen pushers have the monopoly of wisdom.

why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Time to get real.......... what is the likelihood of a nuclear leak. You'd probably get better odds of a plane crashing into Fawley Refinery

If Mr Hoadley and his chums are really that bothered why not set up a campaign to make southampton water vessel free.........

Wonder if Smithy had some thing to do with blocking freedom of speech.
S.C.A.N.S should be allowed to have the right to put forward there argument and there case, has it is for the council to put there case forward weather it be right or wrong and to give S.C.A.N.S answers.
Capitalist Nazi Germany comes to mind, has they done the same sort of thing.

upthe wrote:
Time to get real.......... what is the likelihood of a nuclear leak. You'd probably get better odds of a plane crashing into Fawley Refinery

If Mr Hoadley and his chums are really that bothered why not set up a campaign to make southampton water vessel free.........

Although the likelihood of a nuclear accident from a submarine reactor is remotely small, there are rules and regulations for adopting safety plans for just such an eventuality. It’s the same rules that also apply to civilian nuclear power stations.
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SCANS complaint is that the safety plan for Southampton is inadequate and not fit for purpose. If these submarines are to continue visiting our busy docks surely it is only right that it safety plan is at least as good as those pertaining to civilian nuclear sites.
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Stifling debate on this issue tends to make me believe that the RN and the City Council have something to hide. Honesty and openness are called for if the public are to be reassured on this issue.
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That the Navy’s own internal regulator thinks the Southampton plan is “inadequate, unsourced and trivial” should be the cue for debate not censorship, for concern not delay and procrastination.
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s/w only-wine - well most of us on here do whine on a bit I suppose.

Having served on these submarines for many years as a reactor panel operator, my total lifetime radiation dose is about a third of someone who accumulates natural background radiation from the sun and terra firma. I would always feel safer working and living in a nuclear powered submarine with real friends that would put their lives on the line for me and my fellow countrymen and the good of the country. I would feel very unsafe walking around Southampton at night ,or the day time for that matter, due to the threat to my wellbeing from my own countrymen who want to assault, stab or rob me. With this climate of criticism and violence in Southampton, the submarine service will be better off continuing recreational visits to Liverpool, Hull, Barry Island and Portsmouth where they have always been welcomed. Perhaps these Scans members will move on from nuclear powered submarines and ships to campaigning that all ships should be banned from this city. They probably are ignorant of the fact that American nuclear powered aircraft carriers also visit Spithead.

A Upton wrote:
Having served on these submarines for many years as a reactor panel operator, my total lifetime radiation dose is about a third of someone who accumulates natural background radiation from the sun and terra firma. I would always feel safer working and living in a nuclear powered submarine with real friends that would put their lives on the line for me and my fellow countrymen and the good of the country. I would feel very unsafe walking around Southampton at night ,or the day time for that matter, due to the threat to my wellbeing from my own countrymen who want to assault, stab or rob me. With this climate of criticism and violence in Southampton, the submarine service will be better off continuing recreational visits to Liverpool, Hull, Barry Island and Portsmouth where they have always been welcomed. Perhaps these Scans members will move on from nuclear powered submarines and ships to campaigning that all ships should be banned from this city. They probably are ignorant of the fact that American nuclear powered aircraft carriers also visit Spithead.

There is a huge difference between avoiding personal injury by not frequenting a particular dangerous area and a whole population being irradiated in a nuclear accident. The former is down to you, the latter is totally beyond personal control.
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I can accept that when things DON’T go wrong the likely radiation dose is below background levels – although the radioactive elements may well be different.
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The safety plan for Southampton, however, is meant to protect the public in the unlikely event that things DO go wrong. As such it needs to be robust. This report suggests all is not well with our local safety plan and from what I have read the detailed information for this presumption comes from documents released by the RN’s own internal regulator.
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And why you would think SCANS would want to ban all ships from the city is beyond me – you only need to see what the N stands for to eliminate that silly suggestion. In fact, an accident with a nuclear submarine in Southampton would spell a rapid end to us remaining the premier cruse line port of the UK as well as driving away much of the rest of the commercial port operations, which together provide much employment and wealth in our city.

A Upton wrote:
Having served on these submarines for many years as a reactor panel operator, my total lifetime radiation dose is about a third of someone who accumulates natural background radiation from the sun and terra firma. I would always feel safer working and living in a nuclear powered submarine with real friends that would put their lives on the line for me and my fellow countrymen and the good of the country. I would feel very unsafe walking around Southampton at night ,or the day time for that matter, due to the threat to my wellbeing from my own countrymen who want to assault, stab or rob me. With this climate of criticism and violence in Southampton, the submarine service will be better off continuing recreational visits to Liverpool, Hull, Barry Island and Portsmouth where they have always been welcomed. Perhaps these Scans members will move on from nuclear powered submarines and ships to campaigning that all ships should be banned from this city. They probably are ignorant of the fact that American nuclear powered aircraft carriers also visit Spithead.

Bla Bla Bla, Countrymen Bla, Service Bla Bla Bla, we dont want it here OK.

A Upton wrote:
Having served on these submarines for many years as a reactor panel operator, my total lifetime radiation dose is about a third of someone who accumulates natural background radiation from the sun and terra firma. I would always feel safer working and living in a nuclear powered submarine with real friends that would put their lives on the line for me and my fellow countrymen and the good of the country. I would feel very unsafe walking around Southampton at night ,or the day time for that matter, due to the threat to my wellbeing from my own countrymen who want to assault, stab or rob me. With this climate of criticism and violence in Southampton, the submarine service will be better off continuing recreational visits to Liverpool, Hull, Barry Island and Portsmouth where they have always been welcomed. Perhaps these Scans members will move on from nuclear powered submarines and ships to campaigning that all ships should be banned from this city. They probably are ignorant of the fact that American nuclear powered aircraft carriers also visit Spithead.

There are no longer operational submarine berths at Liverpool, Hull or Barry Island - or indeed ANY UK civilian port except Southampton and (the recently demilitarized) Portland.
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And, far from being “welcomed” at these ports, these councils have been very pro-active in making sure their previously used operational berths were not renewed when the new REPPIR regulations came into force a decade or so ago. It’s a shame Southampton didn’t do likewise.

It's time to go live in caves again!

as long as the sub pays to dock really is it a big deal?

a and e wrote:
why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Now you have got me. Are you saying that on a daily basis aircraft are overflying the Southampton area and spraying chemicals? Where is your evidence, for this hair brained idea?
Has anyone got a photo of a commercial or military aircraft with either visible tanks or spray nozzles?

Do you mean the white lines of condensation that appear after an aircraft has passed, which look a bit like clouds (or are they also evidence of chemical spraying in the sky??)
Can you find details of this any where in the world where it is a common practice, I know that there have been experiments with cloud seeding but these are fairly limited, but your suggestion is that it is common practice. Your words ‘sprayed over the whole city every summer day’ are completed ludicrous and worthy of another regular poster on this site, who is renown for making up stories?

Are you suggesting that fleets of commercial type aircraft are taking off form secret airfield where they cannot be seen and flying commercial aircraft flight routes to spray chemical?

southy wrote:
Wonder if Smithy had some thing to do with blocking freedom of speech. S.C.A.N.S should be allowed to have the right to put forward there argument and there case, has it is for the council to put there case forward weather it be right or wrong and to give S.C.A.N.S answers. Capitalist Nazi Germany comes to mind, has they done the same sort of thing.

But who or what is SCANS, I have heard of them but I cannot seem to locate any information about them. Are they a pressure group whose sole aim to remove nuclear material from the city as any nuclear material poses a risk?

If so should they not be protesting about the amount of radioactive material in the Southampton tower blocks put t here by the council?

Should they not be more open about their membership or are they a secret group like the NKVD in Russia a few years ago.

Ps Southy last time I checked, when Germany was under Nazi control it was a national socialist government? Or does that not fit with your slant on history (Are you David Irving?)

stay local wrote:

a and e wrote:
why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Now you have got me. Are you saying that on a daily basis aircraft are overflying the Southampton area and spraying chemicals? Where is your evidence, for this hair brained idea?
Has anyone got a photo of a commercial or military aircraft with either visible tanks or spray nozzles?

Do you mean the white lines of condensation that appear after an aircraft has passed, which look a bit like clouds (or are they also evidence of chemical spraying in the sky??)
Can you find details of this any where in the world where it is a common practice, I know that there have been experiments with cloud seeding but these are fairly limited, but your suggestion is that it is common practice. Your words ‘sprayed over the whole city every summer day’ are completed ludicrous and worthy of another regular poster on this site, who is renown for making up stories?

Are you suggesting that fleets of commercial type aircraft are taking off form secret airfield where they cannot be seen and flying commercial aircraft flight routes to spray chemical?

in 1957 under the tory government 13 year rain of terror (51 to 64). sprayed anthrax from brighton to southampton and southampton to poole harbour entrance.
we know this because of the 1970's labour government admitted to it and publish a report for the general public to read in a white paper report.
1957 was just one year, there was other years in the 50's when this spraying anthrax over the south coast when there was a south-westerly wind.
it was publish in the echo about this spraying of anthrax back few decades ago.

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:
Wonder if Smithy had some thing to do with blocking freedom of speech. S.C.A.N.S should be allowed to have the right to put forward there argument and there case, has it is for the council to put there case forward weather it be right or wrong and to give S.C.A.N.S answers. Capitalist Nazi Germany comes to mind, has they done the same sort of thing.

But who or what is SCANS, I have heard of them but I cannot seem to locate any information about them. Are they a pressure group whose sole aim to remove nuclear material from the city as any nuclear material poses a risk?

If so should they not be protesting about the amount of radioactive material in the Southampton tower blocks put t here by the council?

Should they not be more open about their membership or are they a secret group like the NKVD in Russia a few years ago.

Ps Southy last time I checked, when Germany was under Nazi control it was a national socialist government? Or does that not fit with your slant on history (Are you David Irving?)

the information on scans (solent coalition against nuclear ships) is on-line, dont expect others to do your work for you.
they are a mix bunch of people from all sorts walks of life, from business owners to the common working man.
and they are that open about them self,s its like going to a library and reading a book.
if you know any thing about politics then you would know that nationalism and socialism do not go together. there is no such thing has national socialist, the nazi party was a extreme right-wing party aka capitalism at its worse, and used the word socialist to gain power off the working man,s back. one of the first action hitler ordered was the arrest of communist party members, and socialist party members, and union leaders, and all other left-wing party's and if they was not murdered they was sent to the concentration work camps. you can find out about those facts that you are so willing to deny. its your kind that will allow history of this nature to repeat it self.
so less of your false political propaganda. (are you nick giffin)

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

a and e wrote: why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Now you have got me. Are you saying that on a daily basis aircraft are overflying the Southampton area and spraying chemicals? Where is your evidence, for this hair brained idea? Has anyone got a photo of a commercial or military aircraft with either visible tanks or spray nozzles? Do you mean the white lines of condensation that appear after an aircraft has passed, which look a bit like clouds (or are they also evidence of chemical spraying in the sky??) Can you find details of this any where in the world where it is a common practice, I know that there have been experiments with cloud seeding but these are fairly limited, but your suggestion is that it is common practice. Your words ‘sprayed over the whole city every summer day’ are completed ludicrous and worthy of another regular poster on this site, who is renown for making up stories? Are you suggesting that fleets of commercial type aircraft are taking off form secret airfield where they cannot be seen and flying commercial aircraft flight routes to spray chemical?

in 1957 under the tory government 13 year rain of terror (51 to 64). sprayed anthrax from brighton to southampton and southampton to poole harbour entrance. we know this because of the 1970's labour government admitted to it and publish a report for the general public to read in a white paper report. 1957 was just one year, there was other years in the 50's when this spraying anthrax over the south coast when there was a south-westerly wind. it was publish in the echo about this spraying of anthrax back few decades ago.

Are you on medication?
Your claim is that between 1951 and 1964 live anthrax spores were sprayed on the South coast. Yet again another load of B@ll@cks from the master of piffle, if you took the trouble to read the released data on any testing you would see. It did not involve did not involve anthrax, but something that would mimic the spread.

This was testing by the biological weapons research establishment based at Porton down, the spraying was in Norwich and used Silicon treated FP, so they could look at the potential risk should another country launch an anthrax attack.

Testing was also done in the Lyme bay and Portland areas (Not Brighton or Southampton or Southampton) not anthrax and not by aircraft.

So have you any details on the daily summer chemical flights over Southampton??

Do you think the nuclear materials in Council tower blocks should be removed, or is it a troy con coalition (and I know you don’t like coalitions, unless they are scans or the TUSC) attempt to kill off the council tenants so they can sell the housing stock?

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

a and e wrote: why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Now you have got me. Are you saying that on a daily basis aircraft are overflying the Southampton area and spraying chemicals? Where is your evidence, for this hair brained idea? Has anyone got a photo of a commercial or military aircraft with either visible tanks or spray nozzles? Do you mean the white lines of condensation that appear after an aircraft has passed, which look a bit like clouds (or are they also evidence of chemical spraying in the sky??) Can you find details of this any where in the world where it is a common practice, I know that there have been experiments with cloud seeding but these are fairly limited, but your suggestion is that it is common practice. Your words ‘sprayed over the whole city every summer day’ are completed ludicrous and worthy of another regular poster on this site, who is renown for making up stories? Are you suggesting that fleets of commercial type aircraft are taking off form secret airfield where they cannot be seen and flying commercial aircraft flight routes to spray chemical?

in 1957 under the tory government 13 year rain of terror (51 to 64). sprayed anthrax from brighton to southampton and southampton to poole harbour entrance. we know this because of the 1970's labour government admitted to it and publish a report for the general public to read in a white paper report. 1957 was just one year, there was other years in the 50's when this spraying anthrax over the south coast when there was a south-westerly wind. it was publish in the echo about this spraying of anthrax back few decades ago.

Are you on medication?
Your claim is that between 1951 and 1964 live anthrax spores were sprayed on the South coast. Yet again another load of B@ll@cks from the master of piffle, if you took the trouble to read the released data on any testing you would see. It did not involve did not involve anthrax, but something that would mimic the spread.

This was testing by the biological weapons research establishment based at Porton down, the spraying was in Norwich and used Silicon treated FP, so they could look at the potential risk should another country launch an anthrax attack.

Testing was also done in the Lyme bay and Portland areas (Not Brighton or Southampton or Southampton) not anthrax and not by aircraft.

So have you any details on the daily summer chemical flights over Southampton??

Do you think the nuclear materials in Council tower blocks should be removed, or is it a troy con coalition (and I know you don’t like coalitions, unless they are scans or the TUSC) attempt to kill off the council tenants so they can sell the housing stock?

stop your political false propaganda BS. its to well known has fact that it did happen a long a number of spots along the south coast between 51 to 62, and it was spent anthrax spores.
why dont you go to the echo office and look up what they published about it.
the spraying of anthrax was done over the coast about a mile out over the channel when there was a south westerly wind and the anthrax spores was blown inland. and no one was told about till the 70's

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

a and e wrote: why would they care about the people of southampton, they allow chemtrails to be sprayed over the whole city every sunny day ,total disgrace.

Now you have got me. Are you saying that on a daily basis aircraft are overflying the Southampton area and spraying chemicals? Where is your evidence, for this hair brained idea? Has anyone got a photo of a commercial or military aircraft with either visible tanks or spray nozzles? Do you mean the white lines of condensation that appear after an aircraft has passed, which look a bit like clouds (or are they also evidence of chemical spraying in the sky??) Can you find details of this any where in the world where it is a common practice, I know that there have been experiments with cloud seeding but these are fairly limited, but your suggestion is that it is common practice. Your words ‘sprayed over the whole city every summer day’ are completed ludicrous and worthy of another regular poster on this site, who is renown for making up stories? Are you suggesting that fleets of commercial type aircraft are taking off form secret airfield where they cannot be seen and flying commercial aircraft flight routes to spray chemical?

in 1957 under the tory government 13 year rain of terror (51 to 64). sprayed anthrax from brighton to southampton and southampton to poole harbour entrance. we know this because of the 1970's labour government admitted to it and publish a report for the general public to read in a white paper report. 1957 was just one year, there was other years in the 50's when this spraying anthrax over the south coast when there was a south-westerly wind. it was publish in the echo about this spraying of anthrax back few decades ago.

Are you on medication? Your claim is that between 1951 and 1964 live anthrax spores were sprayed on the South coast. Yet again another load of B@ll@cks from the master of piffle, if you took the trouble to read the released data on any testing you would see. It did not involve did not involve anthrax, but something that would mimic the spread. This was testing by the biological weapons research establishment based at Porton down, the spraying was in Norwich and used Silicon treated FP, so they could look at the potential risk should another country launch an anthrax attack. Testing was also done in the Lyme bay and Portland areas (Not Brighton or Southampton or Southampton) not anthrax and not by aircraft. So have you any details on the daily summer chemical flights over Southampton?? Do you think the nuclear materials in Council tower blocks should be removed, or is it a troy con coalition (and I know you don’t like coalitions, unless they are scans or the TUSC) attempt to kill off the council tenants so they can sell the housing stock?

stop your political false propaganda BS. its to well known has fact that it did happen a long a number of spots along the south coast between 51 to 62, and it was spent anthrax spores. why dont you go to the echo office and look up what they published about it. the spraying of anthrax was done over the coast about a mile out over the channel when there was a south westerly wind and the anthrax spores was blown inland. and no one was told about till the 70's

Because you idiot I went to the declassified military document. The SOURCE and not the rehashed newspaper version which might have said ’anthrax test carried out on the south coast’ yes tests were carried out but they did not use anthrax! How stupid do you have to be to realise this?

It is a bit like saying SCANS are concerned that the measures and exercises to test for a release of nuclear material is not realistic… so we should release real nuclear material in Southampton to make sure our safety measures work.
Surely even you can see this is not a sensible idea.