Hundreds protest against biomass plant (From Daily Echo)

You'd better check which way the wind is blowing.
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Not to find out whether the pollution will come your way, but instead to see which way Councillor Dean is swaying today.
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Novemeber 2010, he's all for the Biomass Plant, March 2011, he's totally against it.
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Good to see he's a man of conviction, stature and determaination (out of his depth).

You're getting boring now. Isn't a man allowed to change his mind? Perhaps he has just found out further information....

Great demo everyone!! hopefully it's raised awareness.

As for landmark buildings Helius I suggest you look at the scale model done by one of the group and see how the surrounding neighbourhood is dwarfed, shadows cast and light blocked out. Go take your 'landmark building' we don't want to be your guineapigs thank you!

The Watcher wrote:
You'd better check which way the wind is blowing.
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Not to find out whether the pollution will come your way, but instead to see which way Councillor Dean is swaying today.
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Novemeber 2010, he's all for the Biomass Plant, March 2011, he's totally against it.
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Good to see he's a man of conviction, stature and determaination (out of his depth).

that had me laughing a bit.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Great demo everyone!! hopefully it's raised awareness.

As for landmark buildings Helius I suggest you look at the scale model done by one of the group and see how the surrounding neighbourhood is dwarfed, shadows cast and light blocked out. Go take your 'landmark building' we don't want to be your guineapigs thank you!

Hear hear!

people hate change? This however is suppose to reduce carbon emmissions? This is good!?

Local residents always get a nice leader to rally them? Now seriously what did you gain by waving boards etc around?? Hey yes maybe you got traffic to slow down? Look at signs? More people for biomass and some against?
This type of protest is a waste of time? Effort? if you genuinely wanna make a point then air them at the company? And the council? And the docks? But hey wave banners at traffic?? Yay didnt you do well? Um no!

Im all for freedom and people power but try focussing yr points on the real people not people who dont care?

Yes. Yes. Lets all protest against something few of us know anything about. It's good to see the hell fire and brimstone brigade are out in force. The last thing this city needs is something that will create jobs.

So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

St Denys gal wrote:
So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

cabbiestew wrote:
people hate change? This however is suppose to reduce carbon emmissions? This is good!?

Local residents always get a nice leader to rally them? Now seriously what did you gain by waving boards etc around?? Hey yes maybe you got traffic to slow down? Look at signs? More people for biomass and some against?
This type of protest is a waste of time? Effort? if you genuinely wanna make a point then air them at the company? And the council? And the docks? But hey wave banners at traffic?? Yay didnt you do well? Um no!

Im all for freedom and people power but try focussing yr points on the real people not people who dont care?

its a misconception thinking burning wood chip will reduce carbon emissions, it has the the same value has burning coal, oil or gas per ton, has there make up is all the same.
another thing that people don't realise is that plants can emit emission of carbon has well has converting it to oxygen, when a plant sheds its leaves, bark or even branches, before it turns in to good nitrate soil, it releases all the carbon its holding back into the air. nature way of dealing with carbon is to bury it, or let it get wash out to sea, where most of the world carbon is stored, has it slowly settles on the sea bed, and over a even longer time gets lock up in new layers of rocks. it is one massive long cycle of storing and releasing by nature.
waving banners at the general public is for bring it to public attention so if you noticed it, then it was a success.

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote:
So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

not really not till they sort out the last problem they got, the matter of recycling the waste products, and when a station is decommission.
what do we get in this country a lot of off,"rain" nature free energy, not while its falling but when its is release from the ground to form streams and river. go back in history and see how the industrial revolution started, it was started by the water wheel, and apply modern technology to the same idea. like instead of using heavy oak wood for the wheels, use nylon much lighter and if you honeycomb it its even more lighter. change the materials, that is used, ect ect.

southy wrote:

The Watcher wrote:
You'd better check which way the wind is blowing.
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Not to find out whether the pollution will come your way, but instead to see which way Councillor Dean is swaying today.
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Novemeber 2010, he's all for the Biomass Plant, March 2011, he's totally against it.
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Good to see he's a man of conviction, stature and determaination (out of his depth).

that had me laughing a bit.

I had a note from Cllr Hannides just a couple of days ago, he seems delighted that the Conservatives are to create 40 jobs from giving this plant the go-ahead.
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A resourceful fellow; simply ignore the upset like with the Spitfire monument and Sea City museum. He says YES to Southampton biomass!

rightway wrote:
Yes. Yes. Lets all protest against something few of us know anything about. It's good to see the hell fire and brimstone brigade are out in force. The last thing this city needs is something that will create jobs.

Err 40 jobs on a 20 acre site thats just what we need, I don't think. "Few of us know anything about" speak for yourself. A lot of us have made it our business to find out about it hence the protest.

rightway wrote:
Yes. Yes. Lets all protest against something few of us know anything about. It's good to see the hell fire and brimstone brigade are out in force. The last thing this city needs is something that will create jobs.

You kindly point out the main reason for the protest. Thank you! You are correct in saying 'few of us know anything about'. The point was to gain awareness / press coverage etc, so that the people of Southampton ARE able to form an educated opinion on this matter.

It was a great turnout and a fantastic success. Well done all!

cabbiestew wrote:
people hate change? This however is suppose to reduce carbon emmissions? This is good!?

Local residents always get a nice leader to rally them? Now seriously what did you gain by waving boards etc around?? Hey yes maybe you got traffic to slow down? Look at signs? More people for biomass and some against?
This type of protest is a waste of time? Effort? if you genuinely wanna make a point then air them at the company? And the council? And the docks? But hey wave banners at traffic?? Yay didnt you do well? Um no!

Im all for freedom and people power but try focussing yr points on the real people not people who dont care?

Rest assured, we ARE focussing our efforts on Helius, the IPC and the Council. This protest was in addition to raise awareness to the many people that still don't know about this. And by the looks of the press coverage, that has been a storming success!

passerby1 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Yes. Yes. Lets all protest against something few of us know anything about. It's good to see the hell fire and brimstone brigade are out in force. The last thing this city needs is something that will create jobs.

Err 40 jobs on a 20 acre site thats just what we need, I don't think. "Few of us know anything about" speak for yourself. A lot of us have made it our business to find out about it hence the protest.

A good number of these 40 jobs are likely to be rather specialised, you can just imagine how many unemployed locals will have the opportunity and necessary experience to work at such a plant. Not a great boost for the local economy.
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And when Dong Energy pulled out of Hull to build a biomass plant there, Hull secured a wind turbine construction factory to sit in its place. Providing 10,000 local jobs. The PM says Hull are set to be the "world leader" in wind turbine manufacture, and the start of a "new era" for Hull.
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Helius has paired up with another company in its latest subsidiary. I hear they will be burning the partner's by-product of booze to fuel that plant. I bet publican Councillor Dean would be more steadfast in support of that one!

I do wish the reporters would stop refering to the plant as a 'wood fuelled' power station, it is a 'Biomass' power station...definition of biomass "Biomass is anything that is alive. It is also anything that was alive a short time ago. Trees, crops, garbage, and animal waste are all biomass!" Do people really believe that they are going to source expensive virgin wood that will have to be shipped in form the other side of the ocean over the cheapest chicken manure and other waste that is locally available?

The Watcher wrote:
You'd better check which way the wind is blowing. . . Not to find out whether the pollution will come your way, but instead to see which way Councillor Dean is swaying today. . . Novemeber 2010, he's all for the Biomass Plant, March 2011, he's totally against it. . . Good to see he's a man of conviction, stature and determaination (out of his depth).

I really thought you were going to break into a poem then..
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As for Matt Dean I disagree with you on the basis that Biomass is a pretty niche energy source, even I dont know anything about it and had to google it last week (as a result I'm still undecided)... he'd surely be allowed to change his views had more information come to light. Its the same with nuclear, we once thought that was the future and we now understand the many problems associated with it.
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One thing is certain, Southampton NEEDS a new energy source/provision. It isnt going to magically appear so someone, somewhere, is indeed going to have to put up with something such is the population density of the area.

cabbiestew wrote:
people hate change? This however is suppose to reduce carbon emmissions? This is good!? Local residents always get a nice leader to rally them? Now seriously what did you gain by waving boards etc around?? Hey yes maybe you got traffic to slow down? Look at signs? More people for biomass and some against? This type of protest is a waste of time? Effort? if you genuinely wanna make a point then air them at the company? And the council? And the docks? But hey wave banners at traffic?? Yay didnt you do well? Um no! Im all for freedom and people power but try focussing yr points on the real people not people who dont care?

Actually views have been aired to all the relevant people. This was to raise the profile and make a wider number of the public aware.
How will burning wood reduce carbon emmisions, it has the same carbon value as coal or oil.

Actually views have been aired to all the relevant people. This was to raise the profile and make a wider number of the public aware.
How will burning wood reduce carbon emmisions, it has the same carbon value as coal or oil.

I'm all for it, it's relatively carbon neutral, not costly to install and given the problems we're having with nuclear power at the moment it's a much safer source of power. Also it will provide work locally so stop complaining.

As we have the Energy Secretary in our own backyard (so to speak), could he not arrange for us - and the rest of the country - to be briefed thoroughly and objectively on all power options for the future? And that the research/briefings be done by experts who are not in the pay of any of the industries but can actually provide us with accurate information and true comparisons so that we can make informed judgements based on fact and not the latest articles in the press?

Poppy22 wrote:
As we have the Energy Secretary in our own backyard (so to speak), could he not arrange for us - and the rest of the country - to be briefed thoroughly and objectively on all power options for the future? And that the research/briefings be done by experts who are not in the pay of any of the industries but can actually provide us with accurate information and true comparisons so that we can make informed judgements based on fact and not the latest articles in the press?

it would be best if each of us, do our own research in the library, into how nature works. how it recycle items like carbon, and if you want to have a neutral system then you need to copy nature.
and the way to do that is dig a big hole in the ground, fill it up half way, then lite a fire at the bottom and fill the rest hole up with soil and leave (this will turn produce at the bottom to charcoal). and locking it up in the ground. then you repeat it but in a different spot.
when you burn some thing like a way this bio burner do, you not only releasing the carbon out of the product your burning, you also turning the air that is needed for the product to burn into carbon also.
the real answer is our rivers and streams, return to the power of the water wheel but use modern technology.

Who's drives the big car, is it a Cadillac? around Stubbington/Titchfie
ld with the 'BIO MAS' number plate?

Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote: So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

Yes, but don't put in an Earthquake or Tsunami zone.

Big In Oil - We walked to the protest, we have a job, we have researched and basically the "green argument" just doesn't stack up - Gas burning power plants could be more green than this depending on source of the biomass that will be burnt and there is no info on this! Max of 250 jobs during construction and approx 40 when built - not exactly massive here and no guarantee local jobs as will go to most suitably qualified for roles.
How about the revenue lost in Southampton as Shirley detoriates further and the high street becomes more of a ghost town / what about cruise industry impace when people don't want to travel from Southampton???
How about we put this "healthy" "green" project in Chilworth then good motorway links and residents think it's a good "green scheme" - personally i'd then still drive to Chilworth as a southampton resident to still say no after the research i have done in to this!

Big In Oil wrote:

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote: So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

Yes, but don't put in an Earthquake or Tsunami zone.

Tsunami can happen any where on a coastal zone, there have been two known ones here in the UK (the last one was in the 1600's I could be out here by 200 years) on the Atlantic coast line, then on the east coast there has been a number of storm swells, (last big one was in the 50's).
No where in the world is clear of an Earthquakes.

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

I'm sure you wouldn't like it round the corner from your house, towering over your back garden? No one will be able to move whilst these plans are around, already a local resident who was selling had a buyer pull out at the last minute due to them discovering about the Biomass Power station plans and we won't be compensated due to the value of our homes decreasing. Who will want to move into an area which will have something so visually repulsive that, besides all of the health issues from the pollution of the power station nobody would choose to live anywhere near it. The local community will undoubtedly suffer. As a group we have done alot of research on the whole subject of Biomass. We didn't drive down to the protest, we walked there as we are all concerned local residents who are extremely worried about this proposal and intend to fight it all the way. We are certainly not jumping on any bandwagon we are doing this to raise awareness as until now these proposals have been kept very quiet by Helius. The majority of us protesting are employed professionals many of whom run their own businesses within the city or retired professionals. With regards to jobs there will only be around 40 full time jobs upon completed. The vast majority of those involved within its construction would be from outside the local area.
Hope that helps answer the points you raise. James

southy wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote: So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

Yes, but don't put in an Earthquake or Tsunami zone.

Tsunami can happen any where on a coastal zone, there have been two known ones here in the UK (the last one was in the 1600's I could be out here by 200 years) on the Atlantic coast line, then on the east coast there has been a number of storm swells, (last big one was in the 50's).
No where in the world is clear of an Earthquakes.

The UK has a Tsunami quite regularly, its the Severn Bore !

Condor Man..... maybe you help the Council by finding an area on your doorstep for the plant ?

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses.

As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!!

The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not!

I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for!

I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures.

The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

FM2 nice to meet you by the way.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses.

As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!!

The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not!

I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for!

I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures.

The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

freemantlegirl2 I read a posting from Aria freemantle where she had done the research & then came down against it so I thought fine this is not another nimby thing but then I saw the local news report & the lady only went on about it not looking nice for people coming into the city & it was a monstrosity this sounded much like not in my back yard to me but what building ( Shape & size) would be acceptable? what are the other objections? I have written in support of the residents but if it's not because of health reasons & no building no matter if it's more suited to the area will be acceptable I will no longer support the residents in my posts.so please tell me why you object to this.

Firstly, let me say that I am totally against this as I too will be living in the shadow of this monstrosity.

However, IMHO, whoever designed the grossly over exaggerated poster (viewing south down FL) should be banned from using Photo-shop. Surely, this over exaggeration COULD effect the outcome ?

cyber_fug wrote:
Firstly, let me say that I am totally against this as I too will be living in the shadow of this monstrosity.

However, IMHO, whoever designed the grossly over exaggerated poster (viewing south down FL) should be banned from using Photo-shop. Surely, this over exaggeration COULD effect the outcome ?

Hi Cyber_fug, Thank you for your opposition to these plans however the image showing the power station at the end of Foundry Lane is not photoshopped by anyone from the No Southampton Biomass group it is actually from Helius' Technical Document, part 2, see link: www.southampton.gov.
uk/Images/Doc 12 Southampton Technical Consultation Document v1.0 (part 2)_tcm46-283244.pdf

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses.

As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!!

The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not!

I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for!

I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures.

The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

freemantlegirl2 I read a posting from Aria freemantle where she had done the research & then came down against it so I thought fine this is not another nimby thing but then I saw the local news report & the lady only went on about it not looking nice for people coming into the city & it was a monstrosity this sounded much like not in my back yard to me but what building ( Shape & size) would be acceptable? what are the other objections? I have written in support of the residents but if it's not because of health reasons & no building no matter if it's more suited to the area will be acceptable I will no longer support the residents in my posts.so please tell me why you object to this.

The news report on ITV Meridian only showed a very brief clip of a much longer interview, I can assure you we are objecting to much more than just the size of the power station (which would be the largest structure in the city and would be visable from a vast area including Shirley and the city centre & ocean village), we are also objecting due to the increase in pollution in an area of already poor air quality, the fact that Helius can legitimately burn almost anything they want including feathers, manure and poultry litter, the resulted ash is classed as hazardous waste and will need to be disposed off. Fallout from the power station will affect a large area of Southern Hampshire. The fact that Biomass is an unsustainable energy source - this plant alone would require approximately 10% of the UK's timber output. The increase in traffic on an already congested road, the size and mass of the power station. These are just some of our objections, please look at our website for more information: www.nosouthamptonbio
mass.co.uk

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote: So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

Yes.

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:

rightway wrote:

St Denys gal wrote: So - a nuclear power plant a better option, yes?

Yes

Yes, but don't put in an Earthquake or Tsunami zone.

Tsunami can happen any where on a coastal zone, there have been two known ones here in the UK (the last one was in the 1600's I could be out here by 200 years) on the Atlantic coast line, then on the east coast there has been a number of storm swells, (last big one was in the 50's).
No where in the world is clear of an Earthquakes.

The UK has a Tsunami quite regularly, its the Severn Bore !

Condor Man..... maybe you help the Council by finding an area on your doorstep for the plant ?

would be hard, I live in a conservation area.

southy wrote:
FM2 nice to meet you by the way.

Southy you've got no chance.
The wall of silence from FMG2 can only mean that whilst we've heard much about the Severn Bore today, she must have met the Test Bore yesterday!

I am totally with no southampton biomass, this is no flimsy arrugment, however everyone reading and commenting must aggree that no one would want this by their houses, childrens schools etc.... the fallout from the chimmney will have a large coverage, so your mistaken if you think you wont be affected because most of you would be lying if you said you didnt drive on millbrook rd, go to the city centre and you will all be complaining about delays in traffic etc during the construction of this. but if some of you are so for it 'us protesting' could always pass on your details to the ipc and helius and let them know you and your neighbours are more that happy for it to be by your house and schools.....

0238 wrote:
I am totally with no southampton biomass, this is no flimsy arrugment, however everyone reading and commenting must aggree that no one would want this by their houses, childrens schools etc.... the fallout from the chimmney will have a large coverage, so your mistaken if you think you wont be affected because most of you would be lying if you said you didnt drive on millbrook rd, go to the city centre and you will all be complaining about delays in traffic etc during the construction of this. but if some of you are so for it 'us protesting' could always pass on your details to the ipc and helius and let them know you and your neighbours are more that happy for it to be by your house and schools.....

fall out? it's not Chernobyl! Living so close to Mountbatten Way local residents should be used to all the CO2 fumes coming their way from the traffic and let's be honest, it is a dockyard, not the New Forest they back on to.

Condor Man wrote:

0238 wrote:
I am totally with no southampton biomass, this is no flimsy arrugment, however everyone reading and commenting must aggree that no one would want this by their houses, childrens schools etc.... the fallout from the chimmney will have a large coverage, so your mistaken if you think you wont be affected because most of you would be lying if you said you didnt drive on millbrook rd, go to the city centre and you will all be complaining about delays in traffic etc during the construction of this. but if some of you are so for it 'us protesting' could always pass on your details to the ipc and helius and let them know you and your neighbours are more that happy for it to be by your house and schools.....

fall out? it's not Chernobyl! Living so close to Mountbatten Way local residents should be used to all the CO2 fumes coming their way from the traffic and let's be honest, it is a dockyard, not the New Forest they back on to.

Condor, the location is the AC Delco factory/CAT building.
its Millbrook road not Mountbatten Way (north off the road and rail station bridge), its right along side the public footpath, that runs into the docks.

Brite Spark wrote:

southy wrote:
FM2 nice to meet you by the way.

Southy you've got no chance.
The wall of silence from FMG2 can only mean that whilst we've heard much about the Severn Bore today, she must have met the Test Bore yesterday!

lol @BS. I've actually had a self-inflicted withdrawal for most of today as it was one's birthday yesterday ;)

However, Southy I didn't go to Shirley just attended the first demo, as I had a commitment in the afternoon. My daughter went though after the footbridge/carriagew
ay awareness raising. I think you 'may'be confusing me with another of our residents who also has 2 sons who have a disability. I'm easy to spot but won't obviously write it on here. Sometime soon maybe :) always happy to have a chat :)

FreemantleJamez wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses.

As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!!

The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not!

I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for!

I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures.

The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

freemantlegirl2 I read a posting from Aria freemantle where she had done the research & then came down against it so I thought fine this is not another nimby thing but then I saw the local news report & the lady only went on about it not looking nice for people coming into the city & it was a monstrosity this sounded much like not in my back yard to me but what building ( Shape & size) would be acceptable? what are the other objections? I have written in support of the residents but if it's not because of health reasons & no building no matter if it's more suited to the area will be acceptable I will no longer support the residents in my posts.so please tell me why you object to this.

The news report on ITV Meridian only showed a very brief clip of a much longer interview, I can assure you we are objecting to much more than just the size of the power station (which would be the largest structure in the city and would be visable from a vast area including Shirley and the city centre & ocean village), we are also objecting due to the increase in pollution in an area of already poor air quality, the fact that Helius can legitimately burn almost anything they want including feathers, manure and poultry litter, the resulted ash is classed as hazardous waste and will need to be disposed off. Fallout from the power station will affect a large area of Southern Hampshire. The fact that Biomass is an unsustainable energy source - this plant alone would require approximately 10% of the UK's timber output. The increase in traffic on an already congested road, the size and mass of the power station. These are just some of our objections, please look at our website for more information: www.nosouthamptonbio

mass.co.uk

Yep. ITV coverage was factually wrong with regards to the jobs. Only 40 specialist jobs estimated - likely to be mainly sourced from one of their sites near Bristol.... Not great for Southampton.... 400 ish construction jobs, but these would only be on short contracts whilst building.

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Big In Oil wrote:
Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars.

How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing.

Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction.

If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius.

Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses.

As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!!

The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not!

I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for!

I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures.

The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

freemantlegirl2 I read a posting from Aria freemantle where she had done the research & then came down against it so I thought fine this is not another nimby thing but then I saw the local news report & the lady only went on about it not looking nice for people coming into the city & it was a monstrosity this sounded much like not in my back yard to me but what building ( Shape & size) would be acceptable? what are the other objections? I have written in support of the residents but if it's not because of health reasons & no building no matter if it's more suited to the area will be acceptable I will no longer support the residents in my posts.so please tell me why you object to this.

Loosehead, I've been posting on this for quite some while and have listed arguments. I also did my own research about Biomass, I make informed opinions not knee-jerk ones!! And the arguments for the Biomass are flimsy, not proven on this scale and are defnitely not carbon-neutral as claimed. Helius have been sly in pushing this forward, as the first consultation was very quiet, and no local residents were contacted, nor were they given any facts about Biomass technology before the campaign was started, that's why AG, and the rest of the group had to do our own research, as stated above, that research has been extremely thorough look at the website.

Notwithstanding the fact that this 'building' dwarfs the local area to such an extent that it would be wholly detrimental by itself, let alone on the arguments against Biomass technology. As residents we also have a right to put forward every single argument we have against it. There is a geo-thermal plant in Westquay retail park, that is a small non-obtrusive building and sustainable energy, and actually provides to the council for energy sources and is appropriately placed.

If they built some car plant there, or it was contributing to the local economy in a big way, sustaining dock activity in a 'normal' sized building that would be a different matter.

You don't have to write in support of anyone, we have the right to our opinions. Some residents may feel more strongly about some of the issues but the leaderof this campaign doesn't live in it's path but obviously realises the huge impact this 'plant' would have on the environment. We are all massively concerned about this and will continue to be so, whether people mistakenly call us NIMBY's or not! ;)

FM2, you are NIMBY's, why should a factory be treated differently to a power station? We need electricity to keep our computers working so we can make comments on this website. The whole Freemantle area is surrounded by industrial estates and places of work. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Condor Man wrote:
FM2, you are NIMBY's, why should a factory be treated differently to a power station? We need electricity to keep our computers working so we can make comments on this website. The whole Freemantle area is surrounded by industrial estates and places of work. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

FM2 there,s a public meeting on tues evening at the shirley social club, come along if you can there some one i would like you to meet, that is if he do not aft to work that evening..

well, with reference to protest being a success? Yes it got media coverage, but you also gained more people against as well as for? And as for my attention well obviously a large group of people on side of road waving at traffic is obviously gonna attract attention? But hey the only reason u got media attention is cos u annoyed traffic??? Now lets be honest how many people stopped got out and stood up to be counted???? Um probably none!

Leave public alone and go for the companys! if people had strong opinions they would join u too!

Southy, Is this an open invitation to go along and meet someone who may or may not be there ?.....

cabbiestew wrote:
well, with reference to protest being a success? Yes it got media coverage, but you also gained more people against as well as for? And as for my attention well obviously a large group of people on side of road waving at traffic is obviously gonna attract attention? But hey the only reason u got media attention is cos u annoyed traffic??? Now lets be honest how many people stopped got out and stood up to be counted???? Um probably none!

Leave public alone and go for the companys! if people had strong opinions they would join u too!

and exactly where is your evidence that we got more people for and against. We certainly did NOT annoy traffic, the Police were there with us, and we got their advice before staging the protest/awareness raising. The fact that another 50 have joined our group since Saturday and this is fast gaining momentum just stifles that argument and you're not reading our posts obviously juststirring as we've said a few times that we ARE targeting the companies. We have a right to raise public awareness soI don't really see what your problem is....

CM, I seem to remember you posting against Biomass a couple of weeks ago, you're as flaky as some of your Tory mates. You may or may not be aware but the Council are now convinced of the argument against and aren't supporting the Biomass application by Helius. I don't care what your opinion is of me personally, it matters as much to me as the opinion of Tinky Winky (or more appropriately in your case Dipsy), the fact is that a huge majority of people are against this in the surrounding, but as AG says it is much more of a problem for the whole of Southampton, including those travelling to and from on the Millbrook carriageway in Marchwood, and those using the Port. As we've said a few times, let us know your address and we'll be glad to tell Helius to build it in your backgarden :D

Southy, if it's a NoBiomass campaign meeting yes, I'll be there but if it's some politcal hanging on meeting, I won't but ditto I'd like to meet up at some point :)

cyber_fug wrote:
Southy, Is this an open invitation to go along and meet someone who may or may not be there ?.....

If you live in a pretend world where 168 votes equals public endorsement of pretend politics and you have several usernames, then you can pretend to meet other pretend people at pretend meetings.

NIMBY's the lot of you! It's the Dock's isn't it? Aren't there supposed to be big industrial complexes within Ports?

I'd be willing to bet that the proposed Power Station causes much less polution than the A33 / Millbrook Road.

Will be an even bigger shadow cast when the coal fired power stations are switched off and the lights go out!

Sam Mifsud

seatraders wrote:
NIMBY's the lot of you! It's the Dock's isn't it? Aren't there supposed to be big industrial complexes within Ports?

I'd be willing to bet that the proposed Power Station causes much less polution than the A33 / Millbrook Road.

Will be an even bigger shadow cast when the coal fired power stations are switched off and the lights go out!

Sam Mifsud

only industrial complexes with in ports should be port related, producing power is not port related. if they must have one then there is alternative locations that could be used, like next to marchwood power station or burt bolton yard, or next to fawley power station.

FM2 its not about the bio-mass, but this guy is a prospective candidate for freemantle ward local election in may. and has a 50/50 chance of winning that ward.

I say a massive resounding YES to Southampton Biomass and if you have any sense then you will too....

Live by the docks in Millbrook? Unlucky. What did you expect when you moved into an area a stonesthrow from an international port and docks on a 3 lane carriageway? Fields and farmyard animals? Complain about the price of fuel and energy too? I Bet you do....
If mitigated by the best available techniques the impacts of this project are minimal but this does need scrutiny and due dilligence for assurance.
My arguement is simple: (a bit like most of the sheep protesting) Energy security is the biggest issue OUR country faces right now and just to get on the bandwagon because your industrially bordered district might be visually tarnished is ridiculous.
A mix of energy sources is vital here in Southampton. Take the crisis in Japan with the nuclear accident. If they only had wind turbines powering the country and they had been wiped out by the tsunami the impact to health would be greater than the current radiation crisis. Is anyone protesting here in Southampton confident about secure Oil & Gas from Russia and the Middle East? I doubt it (that is assuming they understand where our resources actually come from.) So, to all the Lisa Simpsons in Southampton I say get a grip, take your share of impacts before the lights go out for good, then who'll be complaining when there's no Corronation street on the TV, Kettles for boiling Tea, Hairdryers or diesel to put in the Fiat Panda .....?
I exaggerate but you get the point.
Get a grip and deal with it.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Big In Oil wrote: Personally I think you all have a point, but it will happen and I don't really care as I only spend 6 months of the year in Southampton as I work month on month off in the oil industry, yes that black stuff that comes out of the ground from possibly all the worse places in the world to make sure that you guys have diesel & petrol for your cars. How do you get to the supermarket or perhaps to a demonstration how did you get there??? Your car is what I'm guessing. Anyway let them build it, if you happen to live near the site then I suggest you move, simples. If they build it, what about the jobs it will provide, and also the revenue it will bring into Southampton for companies that will provide services and materials in it's construction. If you protesters put as much effort into protesting as into researching then you'd be a lot wiser but it's the same not just in Southampton, QUICK JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON I've got no job but we've got time to protest along the road where most of the drivers don't even care because they don't live there, go on protest outside an MP's house or the company offices of Helius. Rant over

You really are an ignorant **** aren't you. We ALL walked, as we lived in the local area, this is a stone's throw by my own house. If you care, which you obviously don't try looking at the nobiomass website where all efforts, demos, approaches to MPs, Helius etc are written down and arguments against why this shouldn't be situated 200 yards from a school and houses. As for moving, this monstrosity will case a huge shadow and block light to at least a couple of hundred houses, businesses,the local park - what person in their right mind is going to buy our houses when they have that looming down on them. My house is adapted for my sons who aredisabled, so I can't ever move. We love our area and don't WANT to move!! The campaign totally accepts that we as a society have to find other energy sources but this is 'burning' wood or whatever they choose to burn there, which has to be brought in by road, or ship which both use.... yep oil. Also three years of construction, noise, pollution from lorries bringing materials round, congestion on the millbrook carriageway which is full tobursting already. Hmmmmm green, I think not! I like the Hull idea which someone said, and 40 jobs is a pee in the ocean, Costco which is opening round the corner will provide more jobs which local people will be able to apply for! I suggest you need to do a bit of research before letting your rants run away with you and stop lecturing us on our futures. The consultations were also extended because Helius did not tell anyone about them the first time, the only ntoification we had from them explaining things was 'after' we had started the campaign and we had in fact done our own research. They have their exhibition on Monday and you can be bloody sure all residents will be visiting it and make their views known.

Ignorant ****, am I?? Oh yeah that's why I only work 6 months of the year and have 6 months off, tax free and I live in Chilworth, yeah good come back Freemantlegirl2!!

They will build it whatever you guys say or do.

Freemantles a lovely area!?!?