Lives at risk warning' over rogue signs at Wyke

Daily Echo: Lorry driver Dave Clarke by the rogue 40mph speed limit sign which was put up in a 30mph zone Lorry driver Dave Clarke by the rogue 40mph speed limit sign which was put up in a 30mph zone

Hundreds of perplexed motorists have been flashed by a speed camera after “irresponsible and stupid” practical jokers erected a rogue 40mph speed limit sign in a 30mph zone.

Highway chiefs have condemned as “crassly irresponsible” the pranksters who put up the sign close to a speed camera on Woodside Road, in Wyke, Bradford.

A nearby resident said the camera had flashed like a “strobe disco light” after motorists unwittingly sped up before passing it.

Bradford Council yesterday removed the sign, which it believes was installed by a member of the public several days ago near the junction with Carr House Lane.

Dave Clarke, a HGV driver, of Carr House Mount, said: “People were coming at 30mph but this sign brought them back up to 40mph so people were picking their speed up and setting the flash off.

“Some evenings it’s been like a strobe disco light. There have obviously been a lot of people who have been caught by it.

“Whoever has placed the sign there, it’s a stupid thing to do. It costs time and effort for all those involved in the fines process."

Darren Badrock, Bradford Council’s principal engineer for Bradford South, said: “The 40mph sign was not put up by the Council and appears to have been placed there by a member of the public. We have now removed it.

“Whoever put it up may think it was just a practical joke but it is actually crassly irresponsible.

“We lowered the limit to 30mph on Woodside Road because there had been 157 casualties on the A641 over three years. Encouraging people to drive faster than the speed limit may put lives at risk."

“Anyone who receives a fixed penalty notice related to the camera monitoring traffic travelling north on Woodside Road, between High Fernley Road and Carr House Lane, who believes the unauthorised sign was a factor should contact the partnership.”

A West Yorkshire Police Spokesman said: “Concern was raised about the road sign marked 40mph in Wyke, which was incorrect.

“However, when officers attended to have a look, it had been removed.”

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8:42am Thu 19 May 11

citizen smith says...

How long was this rogue sign in place for? Long enough for it to be reported to the T&A... and for a photographer to set up a meeting... and go and take a photo....... but obviously not long enough for a police officer to go and attend.
“However, when officers attended to have a look, it had been removed.”
And exactly how many police cars would have sailed past this sign on a busy main road in the time it was up I wonder? How observant.
How long was this rogue sign in place for? Long enough for it to be reported to the T&A... and for a photographer to set up a meeting... and go and take a photo....... but obviously not long enough for a police officer to go and attend. “However, when officers attended to have a look, it had been removed.” And exactly how many police cars would have sailed past this sign on a busy main road in the time it was up I wonder? How observant. citizen smith

8:59am Thu 19 May 11

yorkshirenews says...

“Anyone who receives a fixed penalty notice related to the camera monitoring traffic travelling north on Woodside Road, between High Fernley Road and Carr House Lane, who believes the unauthorised sign was a factor should contact the partnership.”

ERR NO ! Who sent you the Fine again ?
Print this article and go to court.
“Anyone who receives a fixed penalty notice related to the camera monitoring traffic travelling north on Woodside Road, between High Fernley Road and Carr House Lane, who believes the unauthorised sign was a factor should contact the partnership.” ERR NO ! Who sent you the Fine again ? Print this article and go to court. yorkshirenews

9:07am Thu 19 May 11

Joedavid says...

citizen smith wrote:
How long was this rogue sign in place for? Long enough for it to be reported to the T&A... and for a photographer to set up a meeting... and go and take a photo....... but obviously not long enough for a police officer to go and attend. “However, when officers attended to have a look, it had been removed.” And exactly how many police cars would have sailed past this sign on a busy main road in the time it was up I wonder? How observant.
Yes you got how many police cars passed it?
Tell us someone out of those recorded at over 30mph were in fact police cars?
[quote][p][bold]citizen smith[/bold] wrote: How long was this rogue sign in place for? Long enough for it to be reported to the T&A... and for a photographer to set up a meeting... and go and take a photo....... but obviously not long enough for a police officer to go and attend. “However, when officers attended to have a look, it had been removed.” And exactly how many police cars would have sailed past this sign on a busy main road in the time it was up I wonder? How observant.[/p][/quote]Yes you got how many police cars passed it? Tell us someone out of those recorded at over 30mph were in fact police cars? Joedavid

11:12am Thu 19 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN! Filthy Poor

11:19am Thu 19 May 11

MarkPullen says...

Wonder how many that were caught out were driving at other 40mph anyway?
Wonder how many that were caught out were driving at other 40mph anyway? MarkPullen

11:30am Thu 19 May 11

Albion. says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Wonder how many that were caught out were driving at other 40mph anyway?
What "other" 40mph?
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: Wonder how many that were caught out were driving at other 40mph anyway?[/p][/quote]What "other" 40mph? Albion.

11:31am Thu 19 May 11

bradford rose says...

Practical jokers?
It's my guess this was a blunder by the council, only they won't own up to it!
Practical jokers? It's my guess this was a blunder by the council, only they won't own up to it! bradford rose

12:39pm Thu 19 May 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless? Thee Voice of Reason

12:58pm Thu 19 May 11

bradford rose says...

It used to be 40 on this road. It's only recently (last year, I think) that it was reduced to 30.
It used to be 40 on this road. It's only recently (last year, I think) that it was reduced to 30. bradford rose

1:10pm Thu 19 May 11

German Sheperd says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ? German Sheperd

1:30pm Thu 19 May 11

brian jones says...

I wonder how many accidents were caused by these "speeding" drivers?
I wonder how many accidents were caused by these "speeding" drivers? brian jones

1:45pm Thu 19 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?
Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?[/p][/quote]Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN. Filthy Poor

1:48pm Thu 19 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

German Sheperd wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.
[quote][p][bold]German Sheperd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?[/p][/quote]No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen. Filthy Poor

2:15pm Thu 19 May 11

hemmy says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
German Sheperd wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.
what an idiot. a jay walker and a hooligan too. those signs on the roadside are there to tell you not to go faster than 30/40 whatever the speed says. its perfectly ok to do 40 in 40 zone, or 30 in a 30 zone. we are not talking about country roads here but a **** good road, with crossings, you know what they are? they are where people with sense cross. we all slow down for bends on country roads with national speed limits, and we all slow down for roundabouts on the A1 where 70's the norm, get a grip. when you can drive then you can make comments like yours, then again if you could drive you'd see how absurd they are.
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]German Sheperd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?[/p][/quote]No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.[/p][/quote]what an idiot. a jay walker and a hooligan too. those signs on the roadside are there to tell you not to go faster than 30/40 whatever the speed says. its perfectly ok to do 40 in 40 zone, or 30 in a 30 zone. we are not talking about country roads here but a **** good road, with crossings, you know what they are? they are where people with sense cross. we all slow down for bends on country roads with national speed limits, and we all slow down for roundabouts on the A1 where 70's the norm, get a grip. when you can drive then you can make comments like yours, then again if you could drive you'd see how absurd they are. hemmy

2:30pm Thu 19 May 11

puddin says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
German Sheperd wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.
STOP walking in the road then. Observe the highway code just like the motorists were doing!
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]German Sheperd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?[/p][/quote]No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.[/p][/quote]STOP walking in the road then. Observe the highway code just like the motorists were doing! puddin

2:36pm Thu 19 May 11

Cooperlane2 says...

The speed camera sign that was there was changed to the 30 when the speed limit changed. We noticed the 40 a couple of days ago (but didn't report it) and wondered why it had been changed. We did however do 30mph as there were no 40mph repeater signs on the lamp posts.

If these cameras are not for making money as claimed, then all tickets over say 50mph from this camera over the last few days should automatically be cancelled, not rely on people seeing the T&A and protesting. I bet many people will pay up regardless- but it would be interesting to see how many tickets were issued.
The speed camera sign that was there was changed to the 30 when the speed limit changed. We noticed the 40 a couple of days ago (but didn't report it) and wondered why it had been changed. We did however do 30mph as there were no 40mph repeater signs on the lamp posts. If these cameras are not for making money as claimed, then all tickets over say 50mph from this camera over the last few days should automatically be cancelled, not rely on people seeing the T&A and protesting. I bet many people will pay up regardless- but it would be interesting to see how many tickets were issued. Cooperlane2

3:03pm Thu 19 May 11

yangy8 says...

council probably put it up to make a few quid to pay for the CITY PARK no one wanted!
oh yeah filthy poor, do one u crank!
bet you live in a shed with no tv.
new age weirdo.
council probably put it up to make a few quid to pay for the CITY PARK no one wanted! oh yeah filthy poor, do one u crank! bet you live in a shed with no tv. new age weirdo. yangy8

3:59pm Thu 19 May 11

bigo93 says...

hemmy wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
German Sheperd wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.
what an idiot. a jay walker and a hooligan too. those signs on the roadside are there to tell you not to go faster than 30/40 whatever the speed says. its perfectly ok to do 40 in 40 zone, or 30 in a 30 zone. we are not talking about country roads here but a **** good road, with crossings, you know what they are? they are where people with sense cross. we all slow down for bends on country roads with national speed limits, and we all slow down for roundabouts on the A1 where 70's the norm, get a grip. when you can drive then you can make comments like yours, then again if you could drive you'd see how absurd they are.
This isnt america, jay walking isnt illegal here.

Though that said did Shepard pay attention when crossing the street? Look both ways? Or did you just walk out like most people do?

No one in this country seems to know what the highway code is! Kids and most young adults alike just walk out and expect vehicles to stop for them!
[quote][p][bold]hemmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]German Sheperd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?[/p][/quote]No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.[/p][/quote]what an idiot. a jay walker and a hooligan too. those signs on the roadside are there to tell you not to go faster than 30/40 whatever the speed says. its perfectly ok to do 40 in 40 zone, or 30 in a 30 zone. we are not talking about country roads here but a **** good road, with crossings, you know what they are? they are where people with sense cross. we all slow down for bends on country roads with national speed limits, and we all slow down for roundabouts on the A1 where 70's the norm, get a grip. when you can drive then you can make comments like yours, then again if you could drive you'd see how absurd they are.[/p][/quote]This isnt america, jay walking isnt illegal here. Though that said did Shepard pay attention when crossing the street? Look both ways? Or did you just walk out like most people do? No one in this country seems to know what the highway code is! Kids and most young adults alike just walk out and expect vehicles to stop for them! bigo93

4:02pm Thu 19 May 11

yezboss says...

Hmm, 157 'casualties' in the last 3 years. The criteria appears to be satisfied, however, on examination I wonder how many of these 'fatal and serious injury' collisions were 'speed related' as only they can be counted and how that was assessed.
In essence what this means is over the length of the A641 section from the cross roads in Wyke (Hell Fire Corner) to the Fire station at Odsal which was 40 m.p.h. and is now a 30 limit which measures about 3 KM indicates about 50 per year and therefore about 18 per Km. That seems a lot of speed related collisions to me. I would like to see the Stats.
Hmm, 157 'casualties' in the last 3 years. The criteria appears to be satisfied, however, on examination I wonder how many of these 'fatal and serious injury' collisions were 'speed related' as only they can be counted and how that was assessed. In essence what this means is over the length of the A641 section from the cross roads in Wyke (Hell Fire Corner) to the Fire station at Odsal which was 40 m.p.h. and is now a 30 limit which measures about 3 KM indicates about 50 per year and therefore about 18 per Km. That seems a lot of speed related collisions to me. I would like to see the Stats. yezboss

4:34pm Thu 19 May 11

bals80 says...

the person who put this sign up should be ordered to pay all the fines since the sign was put up.

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5:07pm Thu 19 May 11

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?
Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.
Use my brain.
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I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions.
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If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower.
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If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved.
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I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there.
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Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone.
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Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone.
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Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work.
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?[/p][/quote]Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.[/p][/quote]Use my brain. . I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions. . If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower. . If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved. . I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there. . Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone. . Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone. . Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work. Thee Voice of Reason

5:21pm Thu 19 May 11

John Philips says...

*Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory.
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Are we really surprised by this?
*Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory. . Are we really surprised by this? John Philips

5:38pm Thu 19 May 11

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?
Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.
Use my brain.
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I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions.
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If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower.
.
If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved.
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I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there.
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Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone.
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Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone.
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Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work.
The very same!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?[/p][/quote]Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.[/p][/quote]Use my brain. . I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions. . If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower. . If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved. . I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there. . Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone. . Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone. . Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work.[/p][/quote]The very same! Albion.

5:40pm Thu 19 May 11

Albion. says...

John Philips wrote:
*Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory.
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Are we really surprised by this?
If by "this" you mean your response, then no we are not surprised.
[quote][p][bold]John Philips[/bold] wrote: *Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory. . Are we really surprised by this?[/p][/quote]If by "this" you mean your response, then no we are not surprised. Albion.

6:07pm Thu 19 May 11

wobbley-bob says...

Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard.
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I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-)
Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard. . I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-) wobbley-bob

6:19pm Thu 19 May 11

Albion. says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard.
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I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-)
Resurrection?
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard. . I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-)[/p][/quote]Resurrection? Albion.

6:49pm Thu 19 May 11

wobbley-bob says...

Albion. wrote:
wobbley-bob wrote:
Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard.
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I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-)
Resurrection?
You know what I mean, stop being flippant ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: Am I bad for finding this prank rather amusing? I'm waiting for Jeremy Beadle to appear wearing his false beard. . I foresee more of this thing happening as word of it gets around. :-)[/p][/quote]Resurrection?[/p][/quote]You know what I mean, stop being flippant ;-) wobbley-bob

11:48pm Thu 19 May 11

JuniorBd says...

Question: Why didn't someone just turn the sign around on the pole ?
Question: Why didn't someone just turn the sign around on the pole ? JuniorBd

6:30am Fri 20 May 11

Albion. says...

JuniorBd wrote:
Question: Why didn't someone just turn the sign around on the pole ?
Probably because they thought it was official.
[quote][p][bold]JuniorBd[/bold] wrote: Question: Why didn't someone just turn the sign around on the pole ?[/p][/quote]Probably because they thought it was official. Albion.

8:29am Fri 20 May 11

BennySupersonic says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell.
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell. BennySupersonic

10:58am Fri 20 May 11

St3phyB says...

John Philips wrote:
*Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory. . Are we really surprised by this?
I find this extremly offensive, I live in Wyke and I am none of these things, stop tarnishing everyone with the same brush, for all you know the individual who did this wasnt even from Wyke so unless you know the facts I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself!
[quote][p][bold]John Philips[/bold] wrote: *Wyke*: BNP/EDL chav-infested territory. . Are we really surprised by this?[/p][/quote]I find this extremly offensive, I live in Wyke and I am none of these things, stop tarnishing everyone with the same brush, for all you know the individual who did this wasnt even from Wyke so unless you know the facts I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself! St3phyB

11:10am Fri 20 May 11

St3phyB says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Clearly if your "Filthy Poor" then you won't have a car so therefore you have no right to comment on this story at all, I agree with all the above comments relating to your Quote, your talking nonsense, 30 in a 30 zone is safe and 40 in a 40 zone is safe unless the weather conditions are poor then obviously you use common sense and slow down, it's people that drive below the speed limit in perfect conditions that cause accidents, I live near this road and on a clear day there is no reason why it wouldnt be safe to do 40 on it, am not sure as to why they changed it to 30 in the first place, there are crossing in place up and down this road, it's a wide, clear road with plenty of visability so if people are willing to risk their lives by crossing where they shouldnt then that's their choice!
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Clearly if your "Filthy Poor" then you won't have a car so therefore you have no right to comment on this story at all, I agree with all the above comments relating to your Quote, your talking nonsense, 30 in a 30 zone is safe and 40 in a 40 zone is safe unless the weather conditions are poor then obviously you use common sense and slow down, it's people that drive below the speed limit in perfect conditions that cause accidents, I live near this road and on a clear day there is no reason why it wouldnt be safe to do 40 on it, am not sure as to why they changed it to 30 in the first place, there are crossing in place up and down this road, it's a wide, clear road with plenty of visability so if people are willing to risk their lives by crossing where they shouldnt then that's their choice! St3phyB

12:39pm Fri 20 May 11

bratfud born says...

If someone can afford to do this as a prank maybe the councils traffic department need to look at sub-contracting their roadsigning work out to him/her.
If someone can afford to do this as a prank maybe the councils traffic department need to look at sub-contracting their roadsigning work out to him/her. bratfud born

1:08pm Fri 20 May 11

HGV Dave says...

Great comments - but as the guy who got in touch with the T&A about this story I do have a comment. The story is not about the speed limit. The problem is not to do with the speed limit. It's to do with the lack of attention to detail. And the unfair way of dealing with speeders. Camera partnership - you know when the sign was removed. So give a little. If I had increased my speed to 37 mph after this sign I would now have a real concern that I could be out of my job. A clean licence is essential to my job. Yet the sign says 40mph. What would I have done wrong? So anybody under 43mph should be sent a letter. It should say the real speed is 30mph please adhere to this in future. The camera partnership knows the date and time when the sign was removed, give 7 days leeway back from then. And don't expect the unfortunate driver who gets a ticket 28 days later to have to prove that he saw a sign! Do some work and save life's not just make money from conned drivers. Also are you sure it was a fraudulent installation and not a council **** up? It was mounted 7 feet up and bolted on. So is the sign on the other side of the road. It says 30 mph. Wouldn't a prankster change both? And who would spend 10 mins up a ladder installing this for a prank. Looks like a council **** up to me. Not intentional but a genuine mistake. To answer filthy- poor. I like your comments, they make me laugh. As a parent of kids at Appleton academy I'd be happy for a 20mph speed limit down here. Safety first and always, but do use a crossing, it's a bad example to kids if you just cross anywhere.
Great comments - but as the guy who got in touch with the T&A about this story I do have a comment. The story is not about the speed limit. The problem is not to do with the speed limit. It's to do with the lack of attention to detail. And the unfair way of dealing with speeders. Camera partnership - you know when the sign was removed. So give a little. If I had increased my speed to 37 mph after this sign I would now have a real concern that I could be out of my job. A clean licence is essential to my job. Yet the sign says 40mph. What would I have done wrong? So anybody under 43mph should be sent a letter. It should say the real speed is 30mph please adhere to this in future. The camera partnership knows the date and time when the sign was removed, give 7 days leeway back from then. And don't expect the unfortunate driver who gets a ticket 28 days later to have to prove that he saw a sign! Do some work and save life's not just make money from conned drivers. Also are you sure it was a fraudulent installation and not a council **** up? It was mounted 7 feet up and bolted on. So is the sign on the other side of the road. It says 30 mph. Wouldn't a prankster change both? And who would spend 10 mins up a ladder installing this for a prank. Looks like a council **** up to me. Not intentional but a genuine mistake. To answer filthy- poor. I like your comments, they make me laugh. As a parent of kids at Appleton academy I'd be happy for a 20mph speed limit down here. Safety first and always, but do use a crossing, it's a bad example to kids if you just cross anywhere. HGV Dave

1:50pm Fri 20 May 11

DelightfulDee says...

yangy8 wrote:
council probably put it up to make a few quid to pay for the CITY PARK no one wanted! oh yeah filthy poor, do one u crank! bet you live in a shed with no tv. new age weirdo.
As a resident of Bradford City Centre I just want to say that the City Park has been very welcome!
[quote][p][bold]yangy8[/bold] wrote: council probably put it up to make a few quid to pay for the CITY PARK no one wanted! oh yeah filthy poor, do one u crank! bet you live in a shed with no tv. new age weirdo.[/p][/quote]As a resident of Bradford City Centre I just want to say that the City Park has been very welcome! DelightfulDee

12:33am Sat 21 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

St3phyB wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Clearly if your "Filthy Poor" then you won't have a car so therefore you have no right to comment on this story at all, I agree with all the above comments relating to your Quote, your talking nonsense, 30 in a 30 zone is safe and 40 in a 40 zone is safe unless the weather conditions are poor then obviously you use common sense and slow down, it's people that drive below the speed limit in perfect conditions that cause accidents, I live near this road and on a clear day there is no reason why it wouldnt be safe to do 40 on it, am not sure as to why they changed it to 30 in the first place, there are crossing in place up and down this road, it's a wide, clear road with plenty of visability so if people are willing to risk their lives by crossing where they shouldnt then that's their choice!
Idiot. I am a pedestrian, therefore I have EVERY right to comment, seeing as my life is put at risk each time I attempt to cross a road.
[quote][p][bold]St3phyB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Clearly if your "Filthy Poor" then you won't have a car so therefore you have no right to comment on this story at all, I agree with all the above comments relating to your Quote, your talking nonsense, 30 in a 30 zone is safe and 40 in a 40 zone is safe unless the weather conditions are poor then obviously you use common sense and slow down, it's people that drive below the speed limit in perfect conditions that cause accidents, I live near this road and on a clear day there is no reason why it wouldnt be safe to do 40 on it, am not sure as to why they changed it to 30 in the first place, there are crossing in place up and down this road, it's a wide, clear road with plenty of visability so if people are willing to risk their lives by crossing where they shouldnt then that's their choice![/p][/quote]Idiot. I am a pedestrian, therefore I have EVERY right to comment, seeing as my life is put at risk each time I attempt to cross a road. Filthy Poor

12:38am Sat 21 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

puddin wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
German Sheperd wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?
No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.
STOP walking in the road then. Observe the highway code just like the motorists were doing!
When cars go through red lights, which they do every single time at Queen's Road and bottom of Oak Lane, you have no chance of crossing the road. When cars ar speeding you have no chance of crossing the road. I have every right to walk in the road. Roads are NOT just made for cars, they are for people, bicycles, motorcycles, horses, cattle, geese, etc. You need to re-take your test.
[quote][p][bold]puddin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]German Sheperd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]Are you an "idiot" cyclist then ?[/p][/quote]No, I am a pedestrian who often has to leap out of the way of idiot drivers speeding through built-up areas and red lights. The next one get's a brick through the windscreen.[/p][/quote]STOP walking in the road then. Observe the highway code just like the motorists were doing![/p][/quote]When cars go through red lights, which they do every single time at Queen's Road and bottom of Oak Lane, you have no chance of crossing the road. When cars ar speeding you have no chance of crossing the road. I have every right to walk in the road. Roads are NOT just made for cars, they are for people, bicycles, motorcycles, horses, cattle, geese, etc. You need to re-take your test. Filthy Poor

12:42am Sat 21 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

BennySupersonic wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell.
Yes, I have actually driven a car, and more often a motorcycle. Yes, they should drive at 30 in a 40, or 20 in a 30, or 40 in a 60. They should not drive at the limit.
[quote][p][bold]BennySupersonic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell.[/p][/quote]Yes, I have actually driven a car, and more often a motorcycle. Yes, they should drive at 30 in a 40, or 20 in a 30, or 40 in a 60. They should not drive at the limit. Filthy Poor

12:46am Sat 21 May 11

Filthy Poor says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?
Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.
Use my brain.
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I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions.
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If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower.
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If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved.
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I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there.
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Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone.
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Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone.
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Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work.
I have no choice but to keep creating new accounts as I am banned from this website for some peculiar reason. Perhaps the T & A can't handle someone who speaks the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment. If a sign states the speed limit is 40mph then why should people drive at 30mph regardless?[/p][/quote]Speed limit signs are not meant to be an instruction to drive at that speed regardless. Drivers should use their own sense and judgment and err on the safe (ie. SLOW) side. There are many country roads where the national speed limit sign is displayed, but it is clearly not advisable to drive at that speed around every twisty bend and upon every single section of those roads. USE YOUR BRAIN.[/p][/quote]Use my brain. . I have driven for many years and not picked up one driving fine or caused any accidents. I drive to the conditions. . If I happen to drive down a street in a 30mph zone where a school has just finished I shall drive slower. If it snowing or icy I shall drive slower. . If a sign says 40mph and there isn't a person in sight, then I find I have been fined because it's supposed to be a 30mph zone, I would quite rightly be peeved. . I bet you many more people drive down that same road at 30mph on their phone and get away with it, than those who speed on there. . Just yesterday I was stuck behind a car doing 20mph wondering what was going on, when I overtook I noticed that person on the phone. . Road signs are there for reference and if it was safe to drive at 40mph and I was in a 40mph zone I would drive at 40mph. If it was thick fog I would more than likely do closer to 20mph in a 40mph zone. . Aren't you bored of creating new accounts anyhow? I presume your the same guy who thinks everyone who is on the dole should be given the same things in life as those who go out to work.[/p][/quote]I have no choice but to keep creating new accounts as I am banned from this website for some peculiar reason. Perhaps the T & A can't handle someone who speaks the truth. Filthy Poor

11:15am Sat 21 May 11

BennySupersonic says...

Filthy Poor wrote:
BennySupersonic wrote:
Filthy Poor wrote:
Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN!
You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell.
Yes, I have actually driven a car, and more often a motorcycle. Yes, they should drive at 30 in a 40, or 20 in a 30, or 40 in a 60. They should not drive at the limit.
Hahaha people should drive at 10 mph under every speed limit now!? Your comments just get more and more stupid as you go on, you're so ignorant it's untrue. I imagine the country would grind to a halt if everyone followed your rules. I'm starting to think you're just a WUM. No wonder your accounts keep getting banned, it's probably because you talk so much bullsh*t, not the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BennySupersonic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Filthy Poor[/bold] wrote: Idiot drivers. Sign or no sign, it should be obvious the safe limit is 30 or less in an urban built-up area. SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]You're the idiot here. You do realise that road had a 40mph speed limit for years? Or do you think everyone should have driven at 30 even when it was 40? Maybe if you'd ever actually driven a car you'd understand something about roads. Come back and comment when you've spawned a brain cell.[/p][/quote]Yes, I have actually driven a car, and more often a motorcycle. Yes, they should drive at 30 in a 40, or 20 in a 30, or 40 in a 60. They should not drive at the limit.[/p][/quote]Hahaha people should drive at 10 mph under every speed limit now!? Your comments just get more and more stupid as you go on, you're so ignorant it's untrue. I imagine the country would grind to a halt if everyone followed your rules. I'm starting to think you're just a WUM. No wonder your accounts keep getting banned, it's probably because you talk so much bullsh*t, not the truth. BennySupersonic

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