Unions members in 'show of strength' ahead of talks with Southampton City Council

Council workers march against the pay cuts

Council workers march against the pay cuts

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

UNIONS ramped up the pressure on council chiefs in Southampton with a mass show of strength ahead of crunch talks over staff pay cuts.

Hundreds of angry council workers marched through the city in a noisy demonstration demanding Tory council leaders “stuff their pay cuts”.

Union leaders vowed to continue crippling industrial action in the city – now in its fourth week – unless notices threatening workers with the sack are ripped up.

Make-or-break talks through mediation service ACAS are planned for Thursday but the council refuses to risk its planned budget savings by withdrawing its dismissal notices until any alternative deal is reached.

Strikes at a glance
• 50-60 Street cleaners on strike until June 20
• 40 parking wardens return to work today
• 110 Refuse Collectors on strike until June 22
• Itchen Bridge Staff return to work today

The trade union demonstration was billed as the largest in the south in decades and union leaders hailed it as an “excellent turnout”, estimating between 700 and 1,000 took part in the march through the city centre.

Council workers waving banners and placards attacking Tory council leader Councillor Royston Smith were joined by striking hospital cleaners, and trade unionists from Portsmouth, Newbury and the Isle of Wight.

Some residents muttered their frustration at the demonstrators over the piles of rubbish across the city.

Unite regional organiser Ian Woodland issued an ultimatum to the council saying: “You suspend the sackings today and we will consider suspending our industrial action.”

Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker added: “We hope to make progress but if we don’t the trade unions will be meeting on Friday and calling further industrial action. The new contracts are due to come in on July 11 so we’ve got about three weeks to stop the council cutting radically the pay of our members.”

However it was still unclear last night how either side will compromise to bring an end to the dispute.

Cllr Smith insists he would rather protect 400 workers from further lay-offs by sharing pay cuts among staff.

He said he had cleared the whole day for the talks but said the unions had to negotiate after rejecting four revised proposals from the council.

The council has issued 90-day dismissal notices to staff threatening them with the sack if they do not sign up to new contracts by July 11 cutting pay by between two and 5.5 per cent, depending on earnings.

Street cleaners yesterday joined bin men, parking wardens and Itchen Bridge toll collectors in a walkout of up to 225 council workers. The wardens and toll collectors will return to work today after stoppages that have hit council coffers by more than £100,000.

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9:55am Tue 14 Jun 11

townieboy says...

Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ? townieboy
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9:59am Tue 14 Jun 11

cyber_fug says...

sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier !
sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier ! cyber_fug
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10:11am Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

cyber_fug wrote:
sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier !
There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply.
[quote][p][bold]cyber_fug[/bold] wrote: sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier ![/p][/quote]There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply. OSPREYSAINT
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10:14am Tue 14 Jun 11

Brite Spark says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
cyber_fug wrote:
sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier !
There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply.
Fuggy said sack them.
Not rape, torture and slaughter them, there's a subtle difference.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cyber_fug[/bold] wrote: sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier ![/p][/quote]There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply.[/p][/quote]Fuggy said sack them. Not rape, torture and slaughter them, there's a subtle difference. Brite Spark
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10:23am Tue 14 Jun 11

StEmmosfire says...

It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council.
It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council. StEmmosfire
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10:26am Tue 14 Jun 11

DJ Teh says...

Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where.

We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well.
Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where. We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well. DJ Teh
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10:28am Tue 14 Jun 11

joenice1 says...

townieboy wrote:
Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus.

Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots. joenice1
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10:29am Tue 14 Jun 11

Elgy says...

Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care! Elgy
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10:40am Tue 14 Jun 11

DJ Teh says...

joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus.

Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.
What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now?
[quote][p][bold]joenice1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.[/p][/quote]What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now? DJ Teh
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10:52am Tue 14 Jun 11

BurningRAGE says...

Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right.
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Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c
hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis.
Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent!
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So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc.
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Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas. BurningRAGE
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10:54am Tue 14 Jun 11

lewis99 says...

they are losing public sympathy ... this is taking us back to the 70s and 80s, unions calling the shots ... wake up and smell the coffee, be grateful that you have a job ... i have had to lower prices charged for work i supply and have not increased fees for about 3 years, i am self employed ... we have all got to cut the cloth to suit ... now get back to work before you end up on the dole queue with others being brought in to take your place.
they are losing public sympathy ... this is taking us back to the 70s and 80s, unions calling the shots ... wake up and smell the coffee, be grateful that you have a job ... i have had to lower prices charged for work i supply and have not increased fees for about 3 years, i am self employed ... we have all got to cut the cloth to suit ... now get back to work before you end up on the dole queue with others being brought in to take your place. lewis99
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10:55am Tue 14 Jun 11

Ancient David says...

Elgy wrote:
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
Well said-neither do I but it does allow the endless,tedious and largely pointless blogs that the same people put on the sites whatever their knowledge or expertise on the topic-presumably allowing them to fill their otherwise empty day
[quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care![/p][/quote]Well said-neither do I but it does allow the endless,tedious and largely pointless blogs that the same people put on the sites whatever their knowledge or expertise on the topic-presumably allowing them to fill their otherwise empty day Ancient David
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11:02am Tue 14 Jun 11

lewis99 says...

BurningRAGE wrote:
Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts!
I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!! lewis99
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11:06am Tue 14 Jun 11

joenice1 says...

DJ Teh wrote:
joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.
What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now?
To keep their job when the council has no money, if they were in a private business they would be jobless, they say they get paid less by having a safer job...... rubbish.

They should be happy to be in work
[quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joenice1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.[/p][/quote]What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now?[/p][/quote]To keep their job when the council has no money, if they were in a private business they would be jobless, they say they get paid less by having a safer job...... rubbish. They should be happy to be in work joenice1
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11:11am Tue 14 Jun 11

Torchie1 says...

" A show of strength". It looks as though the union will approach any talks with an open mind and ready to debate the issue....... as long as they don't have to budge an inch from their entrenched position. Forty years marching backwards and they still haven't seen the writing on the wall.
" A show of strength". It looks as though the union will approach any talks with an open mind and ready to debate the issue....... as long as they don't have to budge an inch from their entrenched position. Forty years marching backwards and they still haven't seen the writing on the wall. Torchie1
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11:26am Tue 14 Jun 11

BurningRAGE says...

lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
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Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
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Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
[quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad! BurningRAGE
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11:48am Tue 14 Jun 11

Shoong says...

BurningRAGE wrote:
Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right.
-
Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c

hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis.
Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent!
-
So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc.
-
Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
Well, pardon us for having opinions.

Typical 'head in the sand' loon left ranting.
[quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]Well, pardon us for having opinions. Typical 'head in the sand' loon left ranting. Shoong
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11:55am Tue 14 Jun 11

Tenderhearts wife says...

What people do not seem to realize is that this is not one persons fault, this isnt the fault of just the people that are councillors at present IE Royston Smith this is the results of many years of bad decision making and bad investments that have snowballed into the crisis that we have today. for the record I havent had a pay rise in over 3 years and do not receive any bonus's at all for the job that i do in shipping, I am very very gratefull to have a job.
What people do not seem to realize is that this is not one persons fault, this isnt the fault of just the people that are councillors at present IE Royston Smith this is the results of many years of bad decision making and bad investments that have snowballed into the crisis that we have today. for the record I havent had a pay rise in over 3 years and do not receive any bonus's at all for the job that i do in shipping, I am very very gratefull to have a job. Tenderhearts wife
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11:59am Tue 14 Jun 11

RadicalEmu says...

joenice1 wrote:
DJ Teh wrote:
joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.
What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now?
To keep their job when the council has no money, if they were in a private business they would be jobless, they say they get paid less by having a safer job...... rubbish.

They should be happy to be in work
The council has "no money"? I thought they were having their budget cut, not taken away.
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Basically the government have decided to simply roll out the figures and leave it to the councils to do the dirty work. This work needn't be dirty: cut the six-figure paycheques, lead by example.
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If these workers were in the private sector they would still be able to legally strike for better pay/conditions.
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I know some of you have had it drilled into your heads that union representation leads to socialism.
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Amusing really. I'm sure not even half of the picket line are the least bit interested in socialism. I'm sure they are, however, interested in avoiding a contract that takes things away from them.
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If you're happy to be a doormat, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect everyone else to be.
[quote][p][bold]joenice1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joenice1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.[/p][/quote]What bonus? The advantage of cutting their pay that has been frozen for 3 years now?[/p][/quote]To keep their job when the council has no money, if they were in a private business they would be jobless, they say they get paid less by having a safer job...... rubbish. They should be happy to be in work[/p][/quote]The council has "no money"? I thought they were having their budget cut, not taken away. . Basically the government have decided to simply roll out the figures and leave it to the councils to do the dirty work. This work needn't be dirty: cut the six-figure paycheques, lead by example. . If these workers were in the private sector they would still be able to legally strike for better pay/conditions. . I know some of you have had it drilled into your heads that union representation leads to socialism. . Amusing really. I'm sure not even half of the picket line are the least bit interested in socialism. I'm sure they are, however, interested in avoiding a contract that takes things away from them. . If you're happy to be a doormat, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect everyone else to be. RadicalEmu
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12:03pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

I love the term "show of strength" !!! T-Rex was busy giving a "show of strength" and then a comet smashed into the earth and wiped them all out !!! The unions are telling these lemmings that they are in a strong position ! Err , no they are not. The council can not afford alternative options, we can all cope without "essential" services like traffic wardens for a few weeks until they are sacked and new ones employed. I am sure the penny will drop also in chav-topia and people clad in pink jump suits will work out otherways to deal with their household waste. And all on a day when the government has abandoned plans to enforce 7 day refuse collection and thus underscoring the point that there are too many bin men in southampton anyway... overpaid or not. The feeble minded may believe all the inarticulate unions tell them but then its survival of the genepool and if you are too stupid to realise the wool is being pulled over your eyes then thats just life, someone smarter will come along and do the job instead.
I love the term "show of strength" !!! T-Rex was busy giving a "show of strength" and then a comet smashed into the earth and wiped them all out !!! The unions are telling these lemmings that they are in a strong position ! Err , no they are not. The council can not afford alternative options, we can all cope without "essential" services like traffic wardens for a few weeks until they are sacked and new ones employed. I am sure the penny will drop also in chav-topia and people clad in pink jump suits will work out otherways to deal with their household waste. And all on a day when the government has abandoned plans to enforce 7 day refuse collection and thus underscoring the point that there are too many bin men in southampton anyway... overpaid or not. The feeble minded may believe all the inarticulate unions tell them but then its survival of the genepool and if you are too stupid to realise the wool is being pulled over your eyes then thats just life, someone smarter will come along and do the job instead. MGRA
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12:31pm Tue 14 Jun 11

cyber_fug says...

BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
...and if YOU were educated you would be able to spell economists and economy...
[quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]...and if YOU were educated you would be able to spell economists and economy... cyber_fug
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12:36pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus.

Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.
You are get very good value for your money, the Private Sector can not do it has cheap has the Public Sector.
If the Private Sector was to take over this job in full, your council Tax would remain the same, but you will be forking out another £22 to £26 per mth, just have your Bin empty once a mth.

The only Idiots are the sheep that follow and vote for right wing policy and not having a clue what its really about, and what it will do to ordinary people.
[quote][p][bold]joenice1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Agree, we need value for money and should get the best deal. TBH they had a great option of a SMALL pay cut (compared to what many people in the private sector had) and keep their job, bonus. Unions have a political agenda and full of idiots.[/p][/quote]You are get very good value for your money, the Private Sector can not do it has cheap has the Public Sector. If the Private Sector was to take over this job in full, your council Tax would remain the same, but you will be forking out another £22 to £26 per mth, just have your Bin empty once a mth. The only Idiots are the sheep that follow and vote for right wing policy and not having a clue what its really about, and what it will do to ordinary people. southy
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12:40pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Dave of Dibden says...

Elgy wrote:
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year.
If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them
[quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care![/p][/quote]I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year. If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them Dave of Dibden
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12:43pm Tue 14 Jun 11

afka_bill says...

BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
[quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street. afka_bill
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12:45pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

DJ Teh wrote:
Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where.

We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well.
DJ The did you not watch the BBC? there was another council that proposed the same as Southampton but there the unions put forward counter proposals sat down with the council & came to a deal yet Southampton has had 4 meetings putting forward 4 proposals each turned down 1/35 hour week.2/unpaid holidays 3/if a person in a department wanted redundancy & another person in another dept.didn't as long as the person could do the job they would let them swap.4/pay cuts,freeze & redundancies.all turned down by the unions so the council said what would you accept? Unions said it's not up to us to come up with ideas it's down to you that's why the council went ahead with sign new contracts or go notices & the bbc political reporter said unless the unions were willing to negotiate then ACAS wouldn't solve anything.That was not from a tory mouth but a TV company who are usually very anti Tory
[quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where. We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well.[/p][/quote]DJ The did you not watch the BBC? there was another council that proposed the same as Southampton but there the unions put forward counter proposals sat down with the council & came to a deal yet Southampton has had 4 meetings putting forward 4 proposals each turned down 1/35 hour week.2/unpaid holidays 3/if a person in a department wanted redundancy & another person in another dept.didn't as long as the person could do the job they would let them swap.4/pay cuts,freeze & redundancies.all turned down by the unions so the council said what would you accept? Unions said it's not up to us to come up with ideas it's down to you that's why the council went ahead with sign new contracts or go notices & the bbc political reporter said unless the unions were willing to negotiate then ACAS wouldn't solve anything.That was not from a tory mouth but a TV company who are usually very anti Tory loosehead
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12:46pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Elgy wrote:
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year.
If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them
Well you have a choice, you don't need to read it or post on it.
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care![/p][/quote]I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year. If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them[/p][/quote]Well you have a choice, you don't need to read it or post on it. southy
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12:50pm Tue 14 Jun 11

George4th says...

"World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action"

Which TWO were they?!

The only voice that counts is the IMF and if they say we are on track then we are on track so please stop scaremongering!
>
>
The dispute is futile because they have not won hearts and minds - besides, a whole raft of them have signed up already.
All they are doing is causing even more people to lose their jobs - how wonderful is that?
>
It's just the unions justifying their existence and at the same time, polishing their egos...........
"World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action" Which TWO were they?! The only voice that counts is the IMF and if they say we are on track then we are on track so please stop scaremongering! > > The dispute is futile because they have not won hearts and minds - besides, a whole raft of them have signed up already. All they are doing is causing even more people to lose their jobs - how wonderful is that? > It's just the unions justifying their existence and at the same time, polishing their egos........... George4th
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12:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
[quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union. southy
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

BurningRAGE wrote:
Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right.
-
Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c

hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis.
Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent!
-
So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc.
-
Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
Burning rage in a previous post I suggested getting a panel (Mp's of all sides?) to look at management upper & middle & if possible make cuts & to do this right across the country as if you were a councillor & you said to the top manager in your department "you must make cuts but try not to touch the front lines " he passes it down to middlemanagement they pass it down to supervisors how many are going to put their hands up & say there's too many of us make me redundant.it will never happen that's why you need an independent body to review all council management levels & preferably one we already pay for so it doesn't cost the government a penny
[quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]Burning rage in a previous post I suggested getting a panel (Mp's of all sides?) to look at management upper & middle & if possible make cuts & to do this right across the country as if you were a councillor & you said to the top manager in your department "you must make cuts but try not to touch the front lines " he passes it down to middlemanagement they pass it down to supervisors how many are going to put their hands up & say there's too many of us make me redundant.it will never happen that's why you need an independent body to review all council management levels & preferably one we already pay for so it doesn't cost the government a penny loosehead
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12:58pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
YOUR WRONG
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]YOUR WRONG loosehead
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1:01pm Tue 14 Jun 11

townieboy says...

Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.
Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads. townieboy
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1:13pm Tue 14 Jun 11

afka_bill says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
YOUR WRONG
And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]YOUR WRONG[/p][/quote]And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past. afka_bill
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1:16pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
'If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.'

Of all the crud you've ever posted, this is one of the more hilarious. Wasn't that in the 1830s?

That's about where you are.

Join us in the 21st century when you have a spare moment.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]'If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.' Of all the crud you've ever posted, this is one of the more hilarious. Wasn't that in the 1830s? That's about where you are. Join us in the 21st century when you have a spare moment. Shoong
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1:18pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
DJ Teh wrote:
Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where.

We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well.
DJ The did you not watch the BBC? there was another council that proposed the same as Southampton but there the unions put forward counter proposals sat down with the council & came to a deal yet Southampton has had 4 meetings putting forward 4 proposals each turned down 1/35 hour week.2/unpaid holidays 3/if a person in a department wanted redundancy & another person in another dept.didn't as long as the person could do the job they would let them swap.4/pay cuts,freeze & redundancies.all turned down by the unions so the council said what would you accept? Unions said it's not up to us to come up with ideas it's down to you that's why the council went ahead with sign new contracts or go notices & the bbc political reporter said unless the unions were willing to negotiate then ACAS wouldn't solve anything.That was not from a tory mouth but a TV company who are usually very anti Tory
The Unions did put forward counter proposals, but totally refused by the Council, and the Unions said lets bring ACAS that to was refuse by the Council, The unions put forward another proposals and again totally refused by the council and again ask for ACAS to be involved and again the Council refused, So the Unions put in another proposals and again was refused by the Council, and again the Union ask for ACAS to be involved and that was turned down again, The Strikes started, again the Unions put forward a proposals that was refused, so ACAS was ask for yet again, but this time because of the strikes, The Council agreed so a date was set for May, and what did Royston Smith do, He go's on Holiday and puts back the Council ACAS Union meeting.
Now how is that not bending over back wards by the Unions to get agreement with the Council, when they have refused to talk to the Unions, This Troy-Con Council wants it there way and no other way. That other Council is more willing to sit down with Unions and talk to sort things out, This council is not.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: Those positions then will become effectively deleted and therefore bye bye workforce, causing greater issues else where. We are the only council that I am aware of that are going through with this as well.[/p][/quote]DJ The did you not watch the BBC? there was another council that proposed the same as Southampton but there the unions put forward counter proposals sat down with the council & came to a deal yet Southampton has had 4 meetings putting forward 4 proposals each turned down 1/35 hour week.2/unpaid holidays 3/if a person in a department wanted redundancy & another person in another dept.didn't as long as the person could do the job they would let them swap.4/pay cuts,freeze & redundancies.all turned down by the unions so the council said what would you accept? Unions said it's not up to us to come up with ideas it's down to you that's why the council went ahead with sign new contracts or go notices & the bbc political reporter said unless the unions were willing to negotiate then ACAS wouldn't solve anything.That was not from a tory mouth but a TV company who are usually very anti Tory[/p][/quote]The Unions did put forward counter proposals, but totally refused by the Council, and the Unions said lets bring ACAS that to was refuse by the Council, The unions put forward another proposals and again totally refused by the council and again ask for ACAS to be involved and again the Council refused, So the Unions put in another proposals and again was refused by the Council, and again the Union ask for ACAS to be involved and that was turned down again, The Strikes started, again the Unions put forward a proposals that was refused, so ACAS was ask for yet again, but this time because of the strikes, The Council agreed so a date was set for May, and what did Royston Smith do, He go's on Holiday and puts back the Council ACAS Union meeting. Now how is that not bending over back wards by the Unions to get agreement with the Council, when they have refused to talk to the Unions, This Troy-Con Council wants it there way and no other way. That other Council is more willing to sit down with Unions and talk to sort things out, This council is not. southy
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1:24pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council.
It's time we had a new Council that could manage the affairs sensibly.
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council.[/p][/quote]It's time we had a new Council that could manage the affairs sensibly. OSPREYSAINT
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1:26pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Brite Spark wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
cyber_fug wrote: sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier !
There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply.
Fuggy said sack them. Not rape, torture and slaughter them, there's a subtle difference.
One thing leads to another.............
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cyber_fug[/bold] wrote: sack the lot of them and start again...... even easier ![/p][/quote]There should be a vacancy for a new Dictator in Libya soon, you appear to have the right credentials, please apply.[/p][/quote]Fuggy said sack them. Not rape, torture and slaughter them, there's a subtle difference.[/p][/quote]One thing leads to another............. OSPREYSAINT
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1:28pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MartinWellbourne says...

Most, if not all, of the strikers are regular people like you and me. We like to spend wisely, know a bargain when we see it and take cheap holidays etc.
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Now I need value for money from the bloated public sector which has crippled the UK economy and will do so for decades if it is not culled.
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The Council need to give me and others the option of having our garbage removed by private contractors - you know the sort that will come and do the job when they are contracted to do so - or they don't get paid. Of course I will be looking for a reduction in my council tax to fund this.
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The strikers need to be reminded that there are plenty of people only too willing to do their unskilled work.
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The rest of the Country is watching Southampton on this issue - and the Council had better be prepared to sack those workers who had refused to sign new contracts or everything will be lost.
Most, if not all, of the strikers are regular people like you and me. We like to spend wisely, know a bargain when we see it and take cheap holidays etc. . Now I need value for money from the bloated public sector which has crippled the UK economy and will do so for decades if it is not culled. . The Council need to give me and others the option of having our garbage removed by private contractors - you know the sort that will come and do the job when they are contracted to do so - or they don't get paid. Of course I will be looking for a reduction in my council tax to fund this. . The strikers need to be reminded that there are plenty of people only too willing to do their unskilled work. . The rest of the Country is watching Southampton on this issue - and the Council had better be prepared to sack those workers who had refused to sign new contracts or everything will be lost. MartinWellbourne
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1:29pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
'If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.'

Of all the crud you've ever posted, this is one of the more hilarious. Wasn't that in the 1830s?

That's about where you are.

Join us in the 21st century when you have a spare moment.
If you ignore the pass and see how things progress from there, then maybe you under stand and see the big picture how thing develope from there.
And its not crud its fact, to belong or start or to take part in any form of a Union back then it was breaking the law, and is what led us here to today, if the right wing lot had there way you would be put back in your place, and would not be allowed to own a home, you would work very long hours for pennys, People like you don't realise to support any kind of right wing policy is supporting a Ruling Class which you will never be part of, they only want you to believe that you are part of it.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]'If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.' Of all the crud you've ever posted, this is one of the more hilarious. Wasn't that in the 1830s? That's about where you are. Join us in the 21st century when you have a spare moment.[/p][/quote]If you ignore the pass and see how things progress from there, then maybe you under stand and see the big picture how thing develope from there. And its not crud its fact, to belong or start or to take part in any form of a Union back then it was breaking the law, and is what led us here to today, if the right wing lot had there way you would be put back in your place, and would not be allowed to own a home, you would work very long hours for pennys, People like you don't realise to support any kind of right wing policy is supporting a Ruling Class which you will never be part of, they only want you to believe that you are part of it. southy
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1:33pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Shoong says...

I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that. Shoong
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1:38pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

afka_bill wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
YOUR WRONG
And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.
loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen.
And also the bin men have been knocking on doors to see how people felt about the strikes, and been getting a very good reponse in support of there strikes, plus the public are giving donations to the support the strike and all those signatures colletted.

afka_bill This government is just has much to blame as the ones in the last 30 years, they are also letting the Super rich get away with £120 Billion in unpaid Taxes and holding this country to black mail.
[quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]YOUR WRONG[/p][/quote]And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.[/p][/quote]loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen. And also the bin men have been knocking on doors to see how people felt about the strikes, and been getting a very good reponse in support of there strikes, plus the public are giving donations to the support the strike and all those signatures colletted. afka_bill This government is just has much to blame as the ones in the last 30 years, they are also letting the Super rich get away with £120 Billion in unpaid Taxes and holding this country to black mail. southy
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1:42pm Tue 14 Jun 11

DJ Teh says...

And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar.

You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right.

Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?"

Thanks kids.
And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar. You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right. Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?" Thanks kids. DJ Teh
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1:43pm Tue 14 Jun 11

DJ Teh says...

afka_bill wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along.
If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer.
-
Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone.
-
Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year.
Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell.
If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
YOUR WRONG
And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.
Attempt number two to post this.

And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar.

You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right.

Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?"

Thanks kids.
[quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]YOUR WRONG[/p][/quote]And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.[/p][/quote]Attempt number two to post this. And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar. You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right. Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?" Thanks kids. DJ Teh
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1:44pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions.
It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions. It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways. southy
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1:47pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

DJ Teh wrote:
And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar.

You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right.

Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?"

Thanks kids.
Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English.
[quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar. You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right. Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?" Thanks kids.[/p][/quote]Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English. southy
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1:53pm Tue 14 Jun 11

afka_bill says...

Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
Southy doesnt have a clue what he is lol. Like most of his posts there more made up than a polititions expenses.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]Southy doesnt have a clue what he is lol. Like most of his posts there more made up than a polititions expenses. afka_bill
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1:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions.
It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.
I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions. It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.[/p][/quote]I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything. OSPREYSAINT
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2:06pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
DJ Teh wrote:
And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar.

You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right.

Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?"

Thanks kids.
Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English.
It is not that important really, but as an unpaid member of the unelected "spelling and grammar Police" I do find some things a bit annoying, especially the use of the word 'of' when you mean 'have'. 'Has' when you mean 'as', but what the hell, as long a your (not you're) message or view is understandable it ain't that vital, innit? Yes, I still blame Thatcher for messing up my own education! It could 'of' been so much better.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar. You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right. Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?" Thanks kids.[/p][/quote]Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English.[/p][/quote]It is not that important really, but as an unpaid member of the unelected "spelling and grammar Police" I do find some things a bit annoying, especially the use of the word 'of' when you mean 'have'. 'Has' when you mean 'as', but what the hell, as long a your (not you're) message or view is understandable it ain't that vital, innit? Yes, I still blame Thatcher for messing up my own education! It could 'of' been so much better. OSPREYSAINT
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2:07pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions.
It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.
I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.
Yes I have gathered that you more or less are on the same stance has me.
And I have notice your able to tell the difference between the Capitalism and Socialism and more or less know where that dividing line is between the two.
Capitalism will not work in a modern world because of its Greed for power and money, and its a war monger policy. but then again is that not what Capitalism is all about.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions. It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.[/p][/quote]I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.[/p][/quote]Yes I have gathered that you more or less are on the same stance has me. And I have notice your able to tell the difference between the Capitalism and Socialism and more or less know where that dividing line is between the two. Capitalism will not work in a modern world because of its Greed for power and money, and its a war monger policy. but then again is that not what Capitalism is all about. southy
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2:10pm Tue 14 Jun 11

DJ Teh says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
DJ Teh wrote:
And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar.

You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right.

Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?"

Thanks kids.
Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English.
It is not that important really, but as an unpaid member of the unelected "spelling and grammar Police" I do find some things a bit annoying, especially the use of the word 'of' when you mean 'have'. 'Has' when you mean 'as', but what the hell, as long a your (not you're) message or view is understandable it ain't that vital, innit? Yes, I still blame Thatcher for messing up my own education! It could 'of' been so much better.
I think that I just got put in my place good and proper there.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DJ Teh[/bold] wrote: And you're both proving how uneducated your are with your terrible grammar. You're = YOU ARE... e.g You are wrong or you are right. You're wrong, You're right. Your = Belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing: "what is your name?" Thanks kids.[/p][/quote]Tell me is that Queens English, Standard English or Common English.[/p][/quote]It is not that important really, but as an unpaid member of the unelected "spelling and grammar Police" I do find some things a bit annoying, especially the use of the word 'of' when you mean 'have'. 'Has' when you mean 'as', but what the hell, as long a your (not you're) message or view is understandable it ain't that vital, innit? Yes, I still blame Thatcher for messing up my own education! It could 'of' been so much better.[/p][/quote]I think that I just got put in my place good and proper there. DJ Teh
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2:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
I love the term "show of strength" !!! T-Rex was busy giving a "show of strength" and then a comet smashed into the earth and wiped them all out !!! The unions are telling these lemmings that they are in a strong position ! Err , no they are not. The council can not afford alternative options, we can all cope without "essential" services like traffic wardens for a few weeks until they are sacked and new ones employed. I am sure the penny will drop also in chav-topia and people clad in pink jump suits will work out otherways to deal with their household waste. And all on a day when the government has abandoned plans to enforce 7 day refuse collection and thus underscoring the point that there are too many bin men in southampton anyway... overpaid or not. The feeble minded may believe all the inarticulate unions tell them but then its survival of the genepool and if you are too stupid to realise the wool is being pulled over your eyes then thats just life, someone smarter will come along and do the job instead.
Wrong again MGRA T-Rex ceased in 1977 when Marc Bolan was killed in a car crash.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: I love the term "show of strength" !!! T-Rex was busy giving a "show of strength" and then a comet smashed into the earth and wiped them all out !!! The unions are telling these lemmings that they are in a strong position ! Err , no they are not. The council can not afford alternative options, we can all cope without "essential" services like traffic wardens for a few weeks until they are sacked and new ones employed. I am sure the penny will drop also in chav-topia and people clad in pink jump suits will work out otherways to deal with their household waste. And all on a day when the government has abandoned plans to enforce 7 day refuse collection and thus underscoring the point that there are too many bin men in southampton anyway... overpaid or not. The feeble minded may believe all the inarticulate unions tell them but then its survival of the genepool and if you are too stupid to realise the wool is being pulled over your eyes then thats just life, someone smarter will come along and do the job instead.[/p][/quote]Wrong again MGRA T-Rex ceased in 1977 when Marc Bolan was killed in a car crash. OSPREYSAINT
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2:36pm Tue 14 Jun 11

THEKILLER says...

No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ).
This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.
No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ). This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay. THEKILLER
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2:41pm Tue 14 Jun 11

lewis99 says...

townieboy wrote:
Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.
dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in?
'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say!
The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits!
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.[/p][/quote]dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in? 'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say! The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits! lewis99
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2:50pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MBHants says...

Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
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Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election. MBHants
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2:52pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

THEKILLER wrote:
No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ).
This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.
If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life.
And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work.
If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights.
Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers.
What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ). This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.[/p][/quote]If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life. And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work. If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights. Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers. What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person. southy
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2:55pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions.
It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.
I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.
socialism only works if the able and willing are prepared to pay for less able and non willing. Economyc-driven politics only works if the humans that practice it are not greedy. And herein lies the problem. They are both flawed. To make a country work you either have to have economically guided socialism, or socially responsible economism. The simple fact is that this country has to protect its credit rating at all costs otherwise we may as well go back to the middle ages. The unions are ignoring the single most important "right" of every person in the country. The right of our children not to grow up in a country saddled with impossible debt and paying back OUR loans at stupid rates. PS love your Marc Bolan joke....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions. It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.[/p][/quote]I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.[/p][/quote]socialism only works if the able and willing are prepared to pay for less able and non willing. Economyc-driven politics only works if the humans that practice it are not greedy. And herein lies the problem. They are both flawed. To make a country work you either have to have economically guided socialism, or socially responsible economism. The simple fact is that this country has to protect its credit rating at all costs otherwise we may as well go back to the middle ages. The unions are ignoring the single most important "right" of every person in the country. The right of our children not to grow up in a country saddled with impossible debt and paying back OUR loans at stupid rates. PS love your Marc Bolan joke.... MGRA
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2:56pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

lewis99 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.
dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in?
'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say!
The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits!
The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda.
[quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.[/p][/quote]dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in? 'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say! The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits![/p][/quote]The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda. southy
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2:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
afka_bill wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
BurningRAGE wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.
I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!!
Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad!
I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.
Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.
YOUR WRONG
And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.
loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen. And also the bin men have been knocking on doors to see how people felt about the strikes, and been getting a very good reponse in support of there strikes, plus the public are giving donations to the support the strike and all those signatures colletted. afka_bill This government is just has much to blame as the ones in the last 30 years, they are also letting the Super rich get away with £120 Billion in unpaid Taxes and holding this country to black mail.
"loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen."


Of course you're right Southy! However I've asked around the office, my family, my friends and in my unscientific survey at least 80% support the cuts!

So who's right now? Well it won't be me will it? It's always you no matter what the facts (or in your case tittle-tattle) supports...even the poll on here which does show support for the strikers can not be taken as accurate as I can vote again each time I visit this web-site.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afka_bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BurningRAGE[/bold] wrote: Well the uneducated fools are back on here insulting the workers who are fighting for their livlihoods which is their right. - Yes there are overpaid managers/directors/c hef Exec but the staff who are striking are frontline staff who's wages leave them struggling in a time of financial crisis. Surprisingly enough the Fat Cat managers on healthy wages accepted the paycut instantly after all 5% of £50K wont make to much of a dent! - So before people start slagging off the hard working frontine staff; STOP and think, these are the victims here, due to a financial crisis bought on by the government and banks, they have to suffer and have their pay cut, pensions taxed, working conditions amended! And was it any of these frontline staff who made the stupid decisions with high risk transactions? Er NO! So hows about you rally behind the workers who take care of are vulnerable, clean are streets, Offer support etc. - Royston cant see past his own bank account and personal ambition, dont let him ruin a council which leads the country in so many areas.[/p][/quote]I take issue with you calling me an uneducated fool, I am entitled to my opinion, the country is founded upon freedom of speech for everyone, your point is not the only one that counts! I say again that these people on strike should be grateful that they have a job, we have all got to make a sacrifice even though we are not responsible for the crisis that has hit WORLDWIDE ... there are many 100s of people that would do these strikers jobs ... if they are not careful they will be joining the dole queue soon with no sympathy from me!!!![/p][/quote]Well if you are educated, why is it you still see cuts as the way forward? As you indicated the crisis is world wide - World econemists have warned the UK that this is the wrong action, and other members of the EU are investing in the econemy to help it move along. If you cut the workers money, they will spend less money in SOuthampton, then shops in southampton will suffer, in turn southampton will suffer. - Unfortunately I dont see Royston and co waking up from la la land so those of us who can see past tomorrow and the long term implications will be stood here saying, "Told you so", which isnt helpful to anyone. - Oh and if you think freedom of speech still exists in this country, you must be a fool, this country is political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]I am also not an uneducated fool but like most people i am fed up of the bin men striking. Most people on here who work in the private sector have had pay cuts or pay freezes and we are not on strike. We have to accept it and get on with it or be out of work. Its not our faults that the economy is ruined by bankers and years of mis-managment by former governments. I am a member of the trade union for my industry and even my rep says its a pointless strike because come july 11th they are going to have accept the pay cuts and go to work or be on jsa and have to struggle even more. The longer this strike goes on the more the anger will rise against the binmen and we will be reading about more attacks. Time to stop listening completly to your union dinosaus and listen to the everyday person on the street.[/p][/quote]Thats just it they have been Listen to the people on the streets, and they do have the majority of the people on the streets backing, Some thing this Council do not and you can for sure say this Tory-Con Council will be gone next year in May and put Labour back in to power. the same thing will happen at the next General election the Tory's will be gone. And I am still pretty sure you will see the General election called next year. Remember this mess we are in now is because of the Tory Government of the 80's, they strip this country of its wealth and gave it to the few, and closed down what it could not sell. If it was not for the Unions and Socialism you would not have what you got today, you be still living like if you was in the Victorian times. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs the first act of Socialism in this Country and the First Union.[/p][/quote]YOUR WRONG[/p][/quote]And your right. If u speak to those that havent had then bins collected at all since the strikes first started then u would have heard that at first they accepted and supported the strikes but that was nearlly a month ago when the bins were emptied. And before u go down the lazy route i have taken what i can down to the dumps and recylcing centres. Unforunatly they are many residents who live in my area that do not have that luxury as they are old and frail or physicaly disabled and the helpers that see then cannot take rubbish to dumps on there behalf. And maybe yes the tories were at fault in 80s what did the labour goverment do when times were good. They spent every last penny and saved non. So the government of today is not to blame for tory/labour if the past.[/p][/quote]loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen. And also the bin men have been knocking on doors to see how people felt about the strikes, and been getting a very good reponse in support of there strikes, plus the public are giving donations to the support the strike and all those signatures colletted. afka_bill This government is just has much to blame as the ones in the last 30 years, they are also letting the Super rich get away with £120 Billion in unpaid Taxes and holding this country to black mail.[/p][/quote]"loosehead I am right you only got to walk round my council ward and ask, at lest 80% supports the strikes, and in 2 of the 3 wards that boarder on this ward are the same, they support the strikes and I heard its basically the same on the other side of the Itchen." Of course you're right Southy! However I've asked around the office, my family, my friends and in my unscientific survey at least 80% support the cuts! So who's right now? Well it won't be me will it? It's always you no matter what the facts (or in your case tittle-tattle) supports...even the poll on here which does show support for the strikers can not be taken as accurate as I can vote again each time I visit this web-site. owen_thesaints
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3:13pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Condor Man says...

what will happen when the Council announces further redundancies? will the strikers back eachother or start backstabbing to keep their jobs. I took my rubbish to the tip, loads of others were doing the same, they can stay out till the bailiffs come knocking
what will happen when the Council announces further redundancies? will the strikers back eachother or start backstabbing to keep their jobs. I took my rubbish to the tip, loads of others were doing the same, they can stay out till the bailiffs come knocking Condor Man
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3:14pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.
dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in?
'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say!
The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits!
The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda.
they are puppets because they believe the garbage their union bosses tell them. The union could not care less about its members. Their actions will force the council to make redundancies and loose positions for good. Southampton does not need 14 day refuse collection, but for a modest pay cut ( which would probably be reversed in a couple of years anyway ) the council was still prepared to subsidise the bloated workforce for a quiet life. This ridiculous strike will mean redundancies now for sure and even more economic problems for the council. The lemming workers are the sort of people who if adrift in the middle of the ocean in a wooden boad would start to rip up the planks and burn them to keep warm. I have never come across such stupid people in my entire life. They live under a rock where their own selfish skewed world is all that matters and they pretend that money comes out of thin air. Its does not. Do you know what yields are on government bonds ? Do you know how important ICR agencies are ? Do you realise the state of this countries finances ? labout were spending £2 for everychild £1 they gave away in the child trust fund fiasco. And the kids who got them ironically in the long run will pay about £3 in extra taxes for £1 they got !? What sort of insane government would do that ???
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.[/p][/quote]dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in? 'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say! The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits![/p][/quote]The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda.[/p][/quote]they are puppets because they believe the garbage their union bosses tell them. The union could not care less about its members. Their actions will force the council to make redundancies and loose positions for good. Southampton does not need 14 day refuse collection, but for a modest pay cut ( which would probably be reversed in a couple of years anyway ) the council was still prepared to subsidise the bloated workforce for a quiet life. This ridiculous strike will mean redundancies now for sure and even more economic problems for the council. The lemming workers are the sort of people who if adrift in the middle of the ocean in a wooden boad would start to rip up the planks and burn them to keep warm. I have never come across such stupid people in my entire life. They live under a rock where their own selfish skewed world is all that matters and they pretend that money comes out of thin air. Its does not. Do you know what yields are on government bonds ? Do you know how important ICR agencies are ? Do you realise the state of this countries finances ? labout were spending £2 for everychild £1 they gave away in the child trust fund fiasco. And the kids who got them ironically in the long run will pay about £3 in extra taxes for £1 they got !? What sort of insane government would do that ??? MGRA
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3:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
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Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
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Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size. southy
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3:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

Condor Man wrote:
what will happen when the Council announces further redundancies? will the strikers back eachother or start backstabbing to keep their jobs. I took my rubbish to the tip, loads of others were doing the same, they can stay out till the bailiffs come knocking
shame the strike could not last for months and months... the council would have equilibrium revenue wise, money lost through the toll bridge would be paid back via not paying the refuse staff and other wages. The unions would further deplete their strike fund. Residents would take refuse to the dump and probably stream line the whole refuse process anyway.... there is nothing "essential" about these unskilled jobs....
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: what will happen when the Council announces further redundancies? will the strikers back eachother or start backstabbing to keep their jobs. I took my rubbish to the tip, loads of others were doing the same, they can stay out till the bailiffs come knocking[/p][/quote]shame the strike could not last for months and months... the council would have equilibrium revenue wise, money lost through the toll bridge would be paid back via not paying the refuse staff and other wages. The unions would further deplete their strike fund. Residents would take refuse to the dump and probably stream line the whole refuse process anyway.... there is nothing "essential" about these unskilled jobs.... MGRA
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3:25pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff. MGRA
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3:25pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't.

Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that.

Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex. Shoong
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3:30pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
lewis99 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.
dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in?
'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say!
The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits!
The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda.
they are puppets because they believe the garbage their union bosses tell them. The union could not care less about its members. Their actions will force the council to make redundancies and loose positions for good. Southampton does not need 14 day refuse collection, but for a modest pay cut ( which would probably be reversed in a couple of years anyway ) the council was still prepared to subsidise the bloated workforce for a quiet life. This ridiculous strike will mean redundancies now for sure and even more economic problems for the council. The lemming workers are the sort of people who if adrift in the middle of the ocean in a wooden boad would start to rip up the planks and burn them to keep warm. I have never come across such stupid people in my entire life. They live under a rock where their own selfish skewed world is all that matters and they pretend that money comes out of thin air. Its does not. Do you know what yields are on government bonds ? Do you know how important ICR agencies are ? Do you realise the state of this countries finances ? labout were spending £2 for everychild £1 they gave away in the child trust fund fiasco. And the kids who got them ironically in the long run will pay about £3 in extra taxes for £1 they got !? What sort of insane government would do that ???
You really don't have a clue how a Union works do you, the Union Boss will only say what its Members tell him to say, so they are not puppets. Labour cost are small fry to want the Torys are spending and are unwilling to collett of the right amount in unpaid taxes of the super rich, but then again I do not agree with Labour no more since they have also now join the Tory Gravy Train of self interest and looking after the rich and making the poor pay for the rich to be rich.
Under the present system the UK will never recover it will just get deeper into debt,
Those are some of things that have got far worse than they should do, Unployment, Poverity, Homeless, Crime, those four items have been on the increase for nearly 30 years and have never gone down in there true sence, and why its because 30 year of 100% pure Capitalism, there are other things you can add to that list but they are the basic four.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lewis99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Is thinking alot of posts on here are from retired people who have lost the pot. Not mant who post here have stood up to be counted and fight for there rights. They have just toed the line and taken all the propoganda thats been thrown at them during there working lives.SPINELESS. Good luck to the men and women who are putting up a fight to those who are really putting a gun to there heads.[/p][/quote]dear oh dear ... lost the pot? what pot are we talking about, the pot i pee in? 'There' ... do you mean 'their' ... 'toed' do you mean 'towed' ... it takes a lot of time to try and decipher what a lot of these posts are trying to say! The point is that the council workers are being used by the unions as puppets and they are too blind to see it ... take my advice and get back to work or one day you'll wake up and your job will be gone, then you'll be on here moaning about not getting the correct benefits![/p][/quote]The Council workers are the Union so how can they be puppets, You really don't under stand how things are in the real world and would just listen to that Right wing False Properganda.[/p][/quote]they are puppets because they believe the garbage their union bosses tell them. The union could not care less about its members. Their actions will force the council to make redundancies and loose positions for good. Southampton does not need 14 day refuse collection, but for a modest pay cut ( which would probably be reversed in a couple of years anyway ) the council was still prepared to subsidise the bloated workforce for a quiet life. This ridiculous strike will mean redundancies now for sure and even more economic problems for the council. The lemming workers are the sort of people who if adrift in the middle of the ocean in a wooden boad would start to rip up the planks and burn them to keep warm. I have never come across such stupid people in my entire life. They live under a rock where their own selfish skewed world is all that matters and they pretend that money comes out of thin air. Its does not. Do you know what yields are on government bonds ? Do you know how important ICR agencies are ? Do you realise the state of this countries finances ? labout were spending £2 for everychild £1 they gave away in the child trust fund fiasco. And the kids who got them ironically in the long run will pay about £3 in extra taxes for £1 they got !? What sort of insane government would do that ???[/p][/quote]You really don't have a clue how a Union works do you, the Union Boss will only say what its Members tell him to say, so they are not puppets. Labour cost are small fry to want the Torys are spending and are unwilling to collett of the right amount in unpaid taxes of the super rich, but then again I do not agree with Labour no more since they have also now join the Tory Gravy Train of self interest and looking after the rich and making the poor pay for the rich to be rich. Under the present system the UK will never recover it will just get deeper into debt, Those are some of things that have got far worse than they should do, Unployment, Poverity, Homeless, Crime, those four items have been on the increase for nearly 30 years and have never gone down in there true sence, and why its because 30 year of 100% pure Capitalism, there are other things you can add to that list but they are the basic four. southy
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3:39pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
.
Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why. southy
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3:45pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
That told you, didn't it!

I don't know why I bite sometimes, theres no way of reasoning in Southy's black and white world.

Obviously we are all mistaken, the stalls gathering an insignificant number of responses in relation to the population of the City are the true indicators of public opinion.

By the way, if a binman knocked my door of course I'd tell him I'm in support of his cause, after all when they're back to work I still want my bin emptied don't I? ;) Maybe the lazy ones could even put it back where I left it at he end of my drive instead of me having to hunt it down when I return in the evening!

When the end of the world finally comes I hope I'm on whatever Southy is. Utopia here I come...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]That told you, didn't it! I don't know why I bite sometimes, theres no way of reasoning in Southy's black and white world. Obviously we are all mistaken, the stalls gathering an insignificant number of responses in relation to the population of the City are the true indicators of public opinion. By the way, if a binman knocked my door of course I'd tell him I'm in support of his cause, after all when they're back to work I still want my bin emptied don't I? ;) Maybe the lazy ones could even put it back where I left it at he end of my drive instead of me having to hunt it down when I return in the evening! When the end of the world finally comes I hope I'm on whatever Southy is. Utopia here I come... owen_thesaints
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3:46pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

Direct question to Southy -

How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc, owen_thesaints
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3:47pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
.
Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi. MGRA
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3:47pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
.
Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't.

Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that.

Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.
Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them.
No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.[/p][/quote]Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all. southy
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3:59pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree.
southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree. MGRA
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4:00pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
Direct question to Southy -

How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree. OSPREYSAINT
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4:02pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree.
Pedantry is pedantry however you say it.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree.[/p][/quote]Pedantry is pedantry however you say it. OSPREYSAINT
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4:03pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

every one is special in their own way.... which will help when they are applying for jobs in the autumn.
every one is special in their own way.... which will help when they are applying for jobs in the autumn. MGRA
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4:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
.
Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self. southy
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4:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

One of the items in the book on how to deal with strikes is that when the strikers return as promised the management lock them out, I wonder if our Council are considering this much used ploy?
One of the items in the book on how to deal with strikes is that when the strikers return as promised the management lock them out, I wonder if our Council are considering this much used ploy? OSPREYSAINT
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4:11pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
Direct question to Southy -

How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper. southy
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4:16pm Tue 14 Jun 11

THEKILLER says...

southy wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ).
This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.
If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life.
And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work.
If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights.
Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers.
What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person.
He a ideal world that may work, but the real working environment is not like that. The council are not breaking employment law they have put forward their terms for new contracts ( after the required negotiation time ) and if a employee does not want to agree to those teams they can have their contact cancelled ( redundancy would apply)
I will give a example that has just happened in the private sector (with the approval of the unions) a big Supermarket took over another Supermarket. All contract were cancelled and new ones offered, hours were increased from 37 to 39 pay was cut for many allowances scrapped for many, lots of staff had to go on salary so losing overtime and bonuses many found themselves between £500 and £2000 a year worse off.
The alternative was branch closures and 100's of job losses the union excepted this and some who did not want the new terms left most excepted the new terms because it is better to have a job than be unemployed . If the country is bankrupt then a lot more will be unemployed and pay cuts will be a lot greater, you cannot go on having automatic pay rises every year like everyone has had for the last 30 years the country is now paying the price for the greed of everyone (me included !!!)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ). This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.[/p][/quote]If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life. And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work. If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights. Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers. What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person.[/p][/quote]He a ideal world that may work, but the real working environment is not like that. The council are not breaking employment law they have put forward their terms for new contracts ( after the required negotiation time ) and if a employee does not want to agree to those teams they can have their contact cancelled ( redundancy would apply) I will give a example that has just happened in the private sector (with the approval of the unions) a big Supermarket took over another Supermarket. All contract were cancelled and new ones offered, hours were increased from 37 to 39 pay was cut for many allowances scrapped for many, lots of staff had to go on salary so losing overtime and bonuses many found themselves between £500 and £2000 a year worse off. The alternative was branch closures and 100's of job losses the union excepted this and some who did not want the new terms left most excepted the new terms because it is better to have a job than be unemployed . If the country is bankrupt then a lot more will be unemployed and pay cuts will be a lot greater, you cannot go on having automatic pay rises every year like everyone has had for the last 30 years the country is now paying the price for the greed of everyone (me included !!!) THEKILLER
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4:17pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree.
Pedantry is pedantry however you say it.
I think its more of a case MGRA need to travel around the country a lot more. theres nowt about that, hay moosh.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: southy. writen english is standard otherwise people in different parts of the country would not be able to communicate in written form. Example - you can say "reed" meaning reed or read. But when its written it means what it says precisely within its context. In spanish, its written exactly as it is spoken for instance "paella" is spoken pa-AYE-ah. I think you may have spanish DNA somewhere in your family tree.[/p][/quote]Pedantry is pedantry however you say it.[/p][/quote]I think its more of a case MGRA need to travel around the country a lot more. theres nowt about that, hay moosh. southy
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4:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
.
Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
.
Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Thatcher had nothing whatsoever to do with strategic car design/production. You have made that up. Our exports did not collapse, they gradually declined. The lazy, strike-loving workers at BL produced poor quality cars and simply could not compete with GMs ( vauxhall and Adam Opel branded ) new car range and the more affordable french and non-honda japanese brands. The unions blocked attempts to make BL more competitive and hence they killed the british car industry. You can rewrite history however you like but thats what happened. Regards banking. Its 25% of ALL tax revenue to this country and only 7-8% of GDP so off-shore accounts are of no real interest in the grand scheme of things.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Thatcher had nothing whatsoever to do with strategic car design/production. You have made that up. Our exports did not collapse, they gradually declined. The lazy, strike-loving workers at BL produced poor quality cars and simply could not compete with GMs ( vauxhall and Adam Opel branded ) new car range and the more affordable french and non-honda japanese brands. The unions blocked attempts to make BL more competitive and hence they killed the british car industry. You can rewrite history however you like but thats what happened. Regards banking. Its 25% of ALL tax revenue to this country and only 7-8% of GDP so off-shore accounts are of no real interest in the grand scheme of things. MGRA
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4:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
Ignore the time of day, irrelevant these days with more and more 24 hour operations.

So £17k for a walker seems like good deal for an unskilled operative to me, and under the limit set by the council for a pay reduction too, so they can't be too upset can they?

Do we assume £17k for a 40hr week?
£8.18 per hour?


Could we ask the Echo to try and find out these details so we all know the truth?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]Ignore the time of day, irrelevant these days with more and more 24 hour operations. So £17k for a walker seems like good deal for an unskilled operative to me, and under the limit set by the council for a pay reduction too, so they can't be too upset can they? Do we assume £17k for a 40hr week? £8.18 per hour? Could we ask the Echo to try and find out these details so we all know the truth? owen_thesaints
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4:22pm Tue 14 Jun 11

UTS says...

make them all redundant and bring in some of labours immigrants.
make them all redundant and bring in some of labours immigrants. UTS
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4:22pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss? owen_thesaints
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4:24pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss?
sold, even
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss?[/p][/quote]sold, even owen_thesaints
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4:25pm Tue 14 Jun 11

THEKILLER says...

As a lot of bin men have been doing the job for 20 years or more the benefits of the job must be pretty good or they would have left years ago to work in the year world!!
As a lot of bin men have been doing the job for 20 years or more the benefits of the job must be pretty good or they would have left years ago to work in the year world!! THEKILLER
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4:30pm Tue 14 Jun 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere.
£17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever.
SW walk-slow. Yes they do
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do rich the stitch
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4:30pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really.

You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.)

But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism.

History certainly shows that.
I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions.
It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.
I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.
socialism only works if the able and willing are prepared to pay for less able and non willing. Economyc-driven politics only works if the humans that practice it are not greedy. And herein lies the problem. They are both flawed. To make a country work you either have to have economically guided socialism, or socially responsible economism. The simple fact is that this country has to protect its credit rating at all costs otherwise we may as well go back to the middle ages. The unions are ignoring the single most important "right" of every person in the country. The right of our children not to grow up in a country saddled with impossible debt and paying back OUR loans at stupid rates. PS love your Marc Bolan joke....
I think I know where you are coming from here, but the Unions are not there to organise the finances of the Nation, their remit is merely to ensure fair play for their members, the real problem here as I perceive it, is that the Council picked on the binmen thinking, (like for some reason people regarded them as a bunch of retards because they are doing an apparently simple job) that they would be an easy target to knock down, once they had misread the signals and found a rebellion on their hands, the damage was done, to give in would lose them face, so they have to continue with their actions which disadvantages the public and is damaging for industrial relations for the future. It will still take BOTH sides to make concessions, they BOTH must find a compromise, one sided action will result in a total failure and continued grief. At this stage is doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, it is beyond all that.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I don't consider myself right wing, nor do I want to be really. You've made it clear your a Communist but that doesn't mean anyone with an opposing view is right wing (why don't you just say Fascist, you know you want to.) But then paranoia is a symptom of the disease that is Communism. History certainly shows that.[/p][/quote]I am not a Commuist I am a Socialist (A center to left Socialist). Every one stand on the Right or the Left on there view and/or actions. It also shows that paranoia is also a disease of the right, it works both ways.[/p][/quote]I too, as you will have gathered by the content of my postings, have Socialist leanings, but regard Communism as no good because although in its purist form it might work, it can never work, because it always gets corrupted by greed and the desire for power, and always will be as long as human beings are involved! Each to their own politics, like all things, right wing politics are not all bad, fanatical right wing views are very dangerous. Moderation and fair play in everything.[/p][/quote]socialism only works if the able and willing are prepared to pay for less able and non willing. Economyc-driven politics only works if the humans that practice it are not greedy. And herein lies the problem. They are both flawed. To make a country work you either have to have economically guided socialism, or socially responsible economism. The simple fact is that this country has to protect its credit rating at all costs otherwise we may as well go back to the middle ages. The unions are ignoring the single most important "right" of every person in the country. The right of our children not to grow up in a country saddled with impossible debt and paying back OUR loans at stupid rates. PS love your Marc Bolan joke....[/p][/quote]I think I know where you are coming from here, but the Unions are not there to organise the finances of the Nation, their remit is merely to ensure fair play for their members, the real problem here as I perceive it, is that the Council picked on the binmen thinking, (like for some reason people regarded them as a bunch of retards because they are doing an apparently simple job) that they would be an easy target to knock down, once they had misread the signals and found a rebellion on their hands, the damage was done, to give in would lose them face, so they have to continue with their actions which disadvantages the public and is damaging for industrial relations for the future. It will still take BOTH sides to make concessions, they BOTH must find a compromise, one sided action will result in a total failure and continued grief. At this stage is doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, it is beyond all that. OSPREYSAINT
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4:41pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
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Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
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Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Ok, so you're illiterate.

But you use caps for this 'Super Rich' you go on about. This means you regard it as an entity, group of people perhaps? Out to get you? Your paranoia is quite disturbing.

Tollpuddle - 18th Century
Margaret Thatcher - 20th Century

So does that mean if you lived to the year 2100 that you would consider joining the 21st century?

Your politics & economics are as backwards as your grasp of grammar & spelling & if you are researching while typing messages that shows a lack of understanding.

Any noddy can start a post & then start digging around on Wikipedia for obscure facts & figures. The fact you have to do this very blatantly shows that you don't have a clue what your talking about.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Ok, so you're illiterate. But you use caps for this 'Super Rich' you go on about. This means you regard it as an entity, group of people perhaps? Out to get you? Your paranoia is quite disturbing. Tollpuddle - 18th Century Margaret Thatcher - 20th Century So does that mean if you lived to the year 2100 that you would consider joining the 21st century? Your politics & economics are as backwards as your grasp of grammar & spelling & if you are researching while typing messages that shows a lack of understanding. Any noddy can start a post & then start digging around on Wikipedia for obscure facts & figures. The fact you have to do this very blatantly shows that you don't have a clue what your talking about. Shoong
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4:45pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere.
£17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever.
SW walk-slow. Yes they do
You haven't seen a bin man coz they have been on strike or hadn't you noticed?
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]You haven't seen a bin man coz they have been on strike or hadn't you noticed? OSPREYSAINT
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4:46pm Tue 14 Jun 11

owen_thesaints says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either.

(Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...)
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either. (Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...) owen_thesaints
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4:48pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

THEKILLER wrote:
southy wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ).
This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.
If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life.
And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work.
If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights.
Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers.
What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person.
He a ideal world that may work, but the real working environment is not like that. The council are not breaking employment law they have put forward their terms for new contracts ( after the required negotiation time ) and if a employee does not want to agree to those teams they can have their contact cancelled ( redundancy would apply)
I will give a example that has just happened in the private sector (with the approval of the unions) a big Supermarket took over another Supermarket. All contract were cancelled and new ones offered, hours were increased from 37 to 39 pay was cut for many allowances scrapped for many, lots of staff had to go on salary so losing overtime and bonuses many found themselves between £500 and £2000 a year worse off.
The alternative was branch closures and 100's of job losses the union excepted this and some who did not want the new terms left most excepted the new terms because it is better to have a job than be unemployed . If the country is bankrupt then a lot more will be unemployed and pay cuts will be a lot greater, you cannot go on having automatic pay rises every year like everyone has had for the last 30 years the country is now paying the price for the greed of everyone (me included !!!)
Its only not like that because you allow it to happen, in the real world where people start sticking together it will happen. Linsey Oil Strike proved that.
They are breaking the Employment laws, the moment they treaten the workers the sack if they do not sign the contract.
The way to do it is you make every one redundant and give them redunacy pay, then wait for 6 weeks to pass and then start to remploy under the new contract.
The difference is on your example is that the Union has agree to the new terms and condictions, in which the union voted on and got a the majority it needed for the change to happen. Here in Southampton the Majority of the Union has rejected it, and have move foreward to a vote for strike action which they need 72% of the vote to be in favour of a strike, before the law would allow them to strike and at no point can that support for a strike fall below 72% if it do then the strike has to be called off.
The trouble is this Country is not bankrupt, its wealth is being hoarded by the 1% to 2% of population the Super Rich who will not pay there Taxes in full and are getting away with £120 Billion a year, and for that we must pay for that short full.
Any decent Council would say no to the Government, and start with holding the Council Tax and Rents and homes sell money from the Government, and say to them we will do your cuts after you start claiming that unpaid tax from the super rich and not before. But no right wing council or government will do it, because they support the rich to be rich, because of there greed for power and money.
Well you give them pay rises or you pay them benefit to top up there wages, the choice is there but whitch ever way you turn, you will end up paying, Now can you see why Cuts do not work. Its a game that can not be won, you will lose which ever way it go's.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: No worker (private or Public Sector) has the right to a contract for life . Any contract can be altered by following the correct procedures (which the council has done it is now down to the workforce to accept or reject those changes. Contracts have been altered in the private sector (for the worse with the approval of the unions for years ). This is only a political stance by the unions, that is why they are throwing so much money into the depute. Paying £30 per day to strikers which is much more than the standard strike pay.[/p][/quote]If you want a system to work then every one is entitled a job for life and than means also the Contract of work is for life. And if you look at what the council has done, its breaks the Employment laws, they must have the majority in agreement of the work force, to be able to change any contract of work. If the private sector is not willing to fight for there rights, that is down to them, and really should not be complaining when others do fight for there rights. Aslo those who complain about the really poor pay they are getting in the private sector, have you really look at how much the private sector is really getting, your example maybe look at the "Ford workers" private sector is it not, what are there lowest paid jobs, Linsey Oil Refinery and again private sector very good wages better than what you find in any front line public sector workers. What makes you so weak is that you will not stand together and fight for your rights, and when others do you moan just like a jealous person.[/p][/quote]He a ideal world that may work, but the real working environment is not like that. The council are not breaking employment law they have put forward their terms for new contracts ( after the required negotiation time ) and if a employee does not want to agree to those teams they can have their contact cancelled ( redundancy would apply) I will give a example that has just happened in the private sector (with the approval of the unions) a big Supermarket took over another Supermarket. All contract were cancelled and new ones offered, hours were increased from 37 to 39 pay was cut for many allowances scrapped for many, lots of staff had to go on salary so losing overtime and bonuses many found themselves between £500 and £2000 a year worse off. The alternative was branch closures and 100's of job losses the union excepted this and some who did not want the new terms left most excepted the new terms because it is better to have a job than be unemployed . If the country is bankrupt then a lot more will be unemployed and pay cuts will be a lot greater, you cannot go on having automatic pay rises every year like everyone has had for the last 30 years the country is now paying the price for the greed of everyone (me included !!!)[/p][/quote]Its only not like that because you allow it to happen, in the real world where people start sticking together it will happen. Linsey Oil Strike proved that. They are breaking the Employment laws, the moment they treaten the workers the sack if they do not sign the contract. The way to do it is you make every one redundant and give them redunacy pay, then wait for 6 weeks to pass and then start to remploy under the new contract. The difference is on your example is that the Union has agree to the new terms and condictions, in which the union voted on and got a the majority it needed for the change to happen. Here in Southampton the Majority of the Union has rejected it, and have move foreward to a vote for strike action which they need 72% of the vote to be in favour of a strike, before the law would allow them to strike and at no point can that support for a strike fall below 72% if it do then the strike has to be called off. The trouble is this Country is not bankrupt, its wealth is being hoarded by the 1% to 2% of population the Super Rich who will not pay there Taxes in full and are getting away with £120 Billion a year, and for that we must pay for that short full. Any decent Council would say no to the Government, and start with holding the Council Tax and Rents and homes sell money from the Government, and say to them we will do your cuts after you start claiming that unpaid tax from the super rich and not before. But no right wing council or government will do it, because they support the rich to be rich, because of there greed for power and money. Well you give them pay rises or you pay them benefit to top up there wages, the choice is there but whitch ever way you turn, you will end up paying, Now can you see why Cuts do not work. Its a game that can not be won, you will lose which ever way it go's. southy
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4:52pm Tue 14 Jun 11

solomum says...

townieboy wrote:
Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Because by cutting pay for everyone, they can save jobs and not have to fork out for redundancy. Plus, the posts are not redundant. They still need the same amount of employees, just want to pay them less money. No-one should have to take a pay cut. But, whilst I am in support of the workers, I do fear that the council will win this one. They will sack all striking employees and just recruit a whole new load on the new contracts.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Because by cutting pay for everyone, they can save jobs and not have to fork out for redundancy. Plus, the posts are not redundant. They still need the same amount of employees, just want to pay them less money. No-one should have to take a pay cut. But, whilst I am in support of the workers, I do fear that the council will win this one. They will sack all striking employees and just recruit a whole new load on the new contracts. solomum
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5:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere.
£17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever.
SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds.
You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings.
Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B southy
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5:09pm Tue 14 Jun 11

afka_bill says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere.
£17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever.
SW walk-slow. Yes they do
I earn 17kgive or take a few depending on annual overtime and i work at least the same hours as a binman and i have the same qualifactions as there drivers. And my wages were 8% higher two years ago. So i am doing the same job for less money in the private sector. Yet i canstill pay all my bills and have a decent holiday and still smoke. Its called money managment. I just dont buy the branded stuff and buy cheeper smokes and drive less and i ripped all my credit cards up and paid them off so i have no debt except primary bills such as a mortgage. Yet im earning less now than two years ago. So they can easily get buy on that pay reduction.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]I earn 17kgive or take a few depending on annual overtime and i work at least the same hours as a binman and i have the same qualifactions as there drivers. And my wages were 8% higher two years ago. So i am doing the same job for less money in the private sector. Yet i canstill pay all my bills and have a decent holiday and still smoke. Its called money managment. I just dont buy the branded stuff and buy cheeper smokes and drive less and i ripped all my credit cards up and paid them off so i have no debt except primary bills such as a mortgage. Yet im earning less now than two years ago. So they can easily get buy on that pay reduction. afka_bill
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5:17pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss?
sold, even
It was not being sold at a loss, Fords could not build a car that size because Fords would need to sell at a loss of £300 per car, The reason being is Fords is a Corporate Company and its top bosses was earning to much and wanting more, and not willing to take a wage cut (nothing has change there they are still the same), BL never had that problem of over paid bosses who done very little, The Mini for the BL started to make profits before 300 was sold.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Are you aware Ford believed that after they had taken a Mini apart and costed it all out then it was being old at a loss?[/p][/quote]sold, even[/p][/quote]It was not being sold at a loss, Fords could not build a car that size because Fords would need to sell at a loss of £300 per car, The reason being is Fords is a Corporate Company and its top bosses was earning to much and wanting more, and not willing to take a wage cut (nothing has change there they are still the same), BL never had that problem of over paid bosses who done very little, The Mini for the BL started to make profits before 300 was sold. southy
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5:24pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Big Mac says...

I remember there was a TV show many years ago called Jackanory – it was intended to entertain children with far-fetched fables of times gone by. I fear Southy has found a copy of one of the many picture books that supported the programme at one of the local jumble sales – though thinking back, Jackanory stories had meaning and made sense?
I remember there was a TV show many years ago called Jackanory – it was intended to entertain children with far-fetched fables of times gone by. I fear Southy has found a copy of one of the many picture books that supported the programme at one of the local jumble sales – though thinking back, Jackanory stories had meaning and made sense? Big Mac
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5:30pm Tue 14 Jun 11

lewis99 says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
oh dear southy, your lack of the 'proper written english' is awfull ... 'next time your up', this does not make sense, 'next time you're up', now that does make sense ... 'take a look a round', again this does not make sense, 'take a look around' is the correct way ... 'if they got an operators ticket', tut tut, mistake again, it should read 'if they've got' or 'if they have' ... if you've got anything worth saying then please at least try and make it sound readable ... lesson over .... now then you bin men, get back to work or bye bye job!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]oh dear southy, your lack of the 'proper written english' is awfull ... 'next time your up', this does not make sense, 'next time you're up', now that does make sense ... 'take a look a round', again this does not make sense, 'take a look around' is the correct way ... 'if they got an operators ticket', tut tut, mistake again, it should read 'if they've got' or 'if they have' ... if you've got anything worth saying then please at least try and make it sound readable ... lesson over .... now then you bin men, get back to work or bye bye job!!! lewis99
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5:51pm Tue 14 Jun 11

rich the stitch says...

Er of course I've noticed. Just having a gag. Sorry if that went over your head, I'll make it clear for you in the future.
Er of course I've noticed. Just having a gag. Sorry if that went over your head, I'll make it clear for you in the future. rich the stitch
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5:52pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either.

(Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...)
My mate is a Bin man driver, and you think it just concise of driving around getting bins empty it don't, each time that lorry tipps its load it has to be wash out in side, at the end of the day the team for that lorry have got to clean it, My mate has an early round I know, thats because he has the comerical round to do, has well has the recycling bins, he up and out of the home at 4am to start work at 5am, finishs at 5pm don't get back home just after 6pm (thats Andover who are on the same rate of pay and hours has Southampton and they are not getting any cuts has of yet).
Do you know where those lorrys with the general waste have go to go to tipp there load, think about that for a while. and before a driver can take that lorry on the road, he has to check it over first, for leaks and that the rams are operating right all that sort of jobs.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either. (Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...)[/p][/quote]My mate is a Bin man driver, and you think it just concise of driving around getting bins empty it don't, each time that lorry tipps its load it has to be wash out in side, at the end of the day the team for that lorry have got to clean it, My mate has an early round I know, thats because he has the comerical round to do, has well has the recycling bins, he up and out of the home at 4am to start work at 5am, finishs at 5pm don't get back home just after 6pm (thats Andover who are on the same rate of pay and hours has Southampton and they are not getting any cuts has of yet). Do you know where those lorrys with the general waste have go to go to tipp there load, think about that for a while. and before a driver can take that lorry on the road, he has to check it over first, for leaks and that the rams are operating right all that sort of jobs. southy
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5:58pm Tue 14 Jun 11

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B
"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all.
I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service.
And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B[/p][/quote]"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all. I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service. And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them. rich the stitch
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6:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

mummsie says...

I walked up Southampton High Street today where bins are full or overflowing! What a good sight to see when the cruise line passengers get off their ships and come to town! Give me a few large bin liners and i will clear them for a few quid Royston! Mind you i won't tell ya where i will be putting the rubbish cos the strikers won't like it. Plus why can people take their own rubbish home with them or take it back to the shop when you have just bought your drink/sarnie from!
I walked up Southampton High Street today where bins are full or overflowing! What a good sight to see when the cruise line passengers get off their ships and come to town! Give me a few large bin liners and i will clear them for a few quid Royston! Mind you i won't tell ya where i will be putting the rubbish cos the strikers won't like it. Plus why can people take their own rubbish home with them or take it back to the shop when you have just bought your drink/sarnie from! mummsie
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6:12pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B
"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all.
I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service.
And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them.
well said. bravo.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B[/p][/quote]"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all. I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service. And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them.[/p][/quote]well said. bravo. MGRA
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6:13pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-)
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Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid.
.
Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly.
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Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend.
"Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to.
But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers.
Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5.
To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it.
If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet.
Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.
Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now.
English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same.
Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.
so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.
Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.
Ok, so you're illiterate.

But you use caps for this 'Super Rich' you go on about. This means you regard it as an entity, group of people perhaps? Out to get you? Your paranoia is quite disturbing.

Tollpuddle - 18th Century
Margaret Thatcher - 20th Century

So does that mean if you lived to the year 2100 that you would consider joining the 21st century?

Your politics & economics are as backwards as your grasp of grammar & spelling & if you are researching while typing messages that shows a lack of understanding.

Any noddy can start a post & then start digging around on Wikipedia for obscure facts & figures. The fact you have to do this very blatantly shows that you don't have a clue what your talking about.
Yes they are an entity they are your 2% of the population that are your Capitalist that hold this country to blackmail, that is your Super Rich. and there is nothing paranoia about it what so ever, they excise has many of your right winger have acknowledge all ready.

And your very weak on your History, Tollpuddle 19th Century, and we are in the 21st Century is your maths in question to.

Its Capitalism that is backwards its holding the world up from advancing into the next type of politics, a much better suited one for now and the near future, one that is suited for a higher population and advancement of technology, Or would you have it that there be a bloody revolution in the end or a WWIII it will go one way or the other if Capitalism don't give up the rains of power to Evolution in politics, and my under standing in politics is far greater than yours, to understand politics to the full you aft to get involoved in it, which you are not prepared to do yet, so you are only looking from the out side looking in.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]why are you obsessed with Thatcher ? And why do you think that written english varies from location to location , because it does not. English is not like spanish, you do not write it as it sounds. You write it as it is supposed to be written. You obviously have a very poor grasp of written English and I actually admire you for writing so often and so detailed with your limited writing skills. This is to be applauded and not ridiculed. However I take issue with some of the content of your posts. A lot of it is just made up stuff.[/p][/quote]Why Thatcher because thats where today present problems stem from the Thatcher era and the unwilling Government since then not to undo all that she had done in the frist place and just carry on with Thatcherite 1920's policys it did not work then it will not work now. English is a Variant, and do vary from location to location, its only Standard English that is not a variant, It trys to enforce on every one to speak read write and sound the same. Check History for when Standard english was interduce and the reasons why.[/p][/quote]so you think that the thatcher-era was a snap-shot period in history when all our problems started ? You have obviously never driven an Austin Maxi.[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven an Austin Maxi, and at the time when they was interduce in the late 60's, was a very good car to drive about in, at the very beging of the 80's the maxi was going to be replace with a new BL design that got block by Thatcher, because she wanted to break up BL and sell it off and put BL in private sector hands, and look what happen after BL was broken up and sold of to private hands. Its exports collapse whitch was a far cry considering before the break up and sell off BL cars was one off our biggest exporters. It was during Thatcher era when the turn round happened, when our Imports became greater than our exports, for the first time since the End of WWII. Ever since Thacther came to power our wealth was sold off and now the the money leaves this country and we don't gain from it, like those off shore bank accounts that don't pay any intrest tax, she removed the banking restrictions so this could happen for the benefit of the Super Rich Which she one her self.[/p][/quote]Ok, so you're illiterate. But you use caps for this 'Super Rich' you go on about. This means you regard it as an entity, group of people perhaps? Out to get you? Your paranoia is quite disturbing. Tollpuddle - 18th Century Margaret Thatcher - 20th Century So does that mean if you lived to the year 2100 that you would consider joining the 21st century? Your politics & economics are as backwards as your grasp of grammar & spelling & if you are researching while typing messages that shows a lack of understanding. Any noddy can start a post & then start digging around on Wikipedia for obscure facts & figures. The fact you have to do this very blatantly shows that you don't have a clue what your talking about.[/p][/quote]Yes they are an entity they are your 2% of the population that are your Capitalist that hold this country to blackmail, that is your Super Rich. and there is nothing paranoia about it what so ever, they excise has many of your right winger have acknowledge all ready. And your very weak on your History, Tollpuddle 19th Century, and we are in the 21st Century is your maths in question to. Its Capitalism that is backwards its holding the world up from advancing into the next type of politics, a much better suited one for now and the near future, one that is suited for a higher population and advancement of technology, Or would you have it that there be a bloody revolution in the end or a WWIII it will go one way or the other if Capitalism don't give up the rains of power to Evolution in politics, and my under standing in politics is far greater than yours, to understand politics to the full you aft to get involoved in it, which you are not prepared to do yet, so you are only looking from the out side looking in. southy
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6:22pm Tue 14 Jun 11

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B
"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all.
I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service.
And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them.
well said. bravo.
Ok you go with out your bins being empty permently and see how fast your health go down hill, and start missing days of work because your to ill. And how do you know those people have Sky Tv or even have an internet service because I think you find many do not, if they had Internet service then I could a sure you most would be on here to put you right on your facts, As for smoking I not going there because I will not sermise like you are that they smoke. its a case of maybe they do or maybe they dont.
Just because you got internet service and I have to, it don't mean every one do.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Try when they are not on strike, they often do this house about 5-45am some times ealrier and some times later, and we are not near the begining of there rounds. You try walk and do 1,000 homes colletting bins getting them emptyed, And if you think it not an important service, well it is very important, it helps to prevent ill health from forming and spreading, remember those sort of germs have no boundriers it will effect the wealthy and poor alike. And you need to be able to work your self and not be ill. Also remember those are the guys that get call out in the middle of the night to grit roads in the winter when needed. and losing £8 a week is a lot of money to lose, and will be needed to be top up with benefits in which you will have to pay from your taxes, also the economy will take a knock from it also, by those workers not spending as much, because the drop in earnings. Like I keep saying Cuts do not work, it just moves the debt from A to B[/p][/quote]"try walking a 1000 homes" yeah it's what manual labour is about, working hard physically when you have no qualifications or can't/ won't do another job. They are lucky to have a job at all. I can't recall saying I did not think it was an important service. And for £8 per week, easy, stop smoking, get rid of sky tv, downsize your internet service....the list goes on. A previous poster has done it, why can't they? If you would rather people lose their jobs over £8 a week then shame on you....and shame on them.[/p][/quote]well said. bravo.[/p][/quote]Ok you go with out your bins being empty permently and see how fast your health go down hill, and start missing days of work because your to ill. And how do you know those people have Sky Tv or even have an internet service because I think you find many do not, if they had Internet service then I could a sure you most would be on here to put you right on your facts, As for smoking I not going there because I will not sermise like you are that they smoke. its a case of maybe they do or maybe they dont. Just because you got internet service and I have to, it don't mean every one do. southy
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7:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

rich the stitch wrote:
Er of course I've noticed. Just having a gag. Sorry if that went over your head, I'll make it clear for you in the future.
I guessed it was a wind UP, and that is why I went back and deleted my original comments about you being an idiot, no one could really be that stupid could they? Unless of course they are binmen!
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: Er of course I've noticed. Just having a gag. Sorry if that went over your head, I'll make it clear for you in the future.[/p][/quote]I guessed it was a wind UP, and that is why I went back and deleted my original comments about you being an idiot, no one could really be that stupid could they? Unless of course they are binmen! OSPREYSAINT
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7:18pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Dave of Dibden says...

southy wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Elgy wrote:
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year.
If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them
Well you have a choice, you don't need to read it or post on it.
Niether do you
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care![/p][/quote]I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year. If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them[/p][/quote]Well you have a choice, you don't need to read it or post on it.[/p][/quote]Niether do you Dave of Dibden
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7:20pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,
Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.
Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.
You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do
Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either. (Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...)
I am guessing that you don't see many binmen after four o'clock p.m. as that is when they are probably unloading at the tip, plus in the winter it is probably dark around four o'clock and less safe to operate and perhaps the shift pattern stays the same all year around, although I suppose there is scope for overtime in summer daylight, but as I said, just guessing, perhaps I should try Googling or Wiki for a true answer.
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Direct question to Southy - How much does an average binman earn? Basic pay and number of hours etc,[/p][/quote]Secondary question how much are they paid, the two things don't always equate. Are there any average binmen, a lot of posters would disagree.[/p][/quote]Times are at lest 6am to 4pm, some start even early than that, next time your up and about at 5am take a look a round bet you come across a bin lorry on its rounds, about £17,000 for the walkers and maybe a bit extra if they got an operators ticket to operate the ram and tipper.[/p][/quote]You're wrong (again). I've been up at 5am over the last few weeks and have not seen a single bin man anywhere. £17k a year for an unskilled job is pretty good if you ask me. So if they lose the 2.5% they will lose £435 per year or £35 per month or £8 (give or take) a week. They would rather people lose their jobs than less than the cost f 2 packs of fags a week. If the council were doing this to make extra money then it’s wrong, they are in fact doing this because they have to save money. I have no sympathy for bin men what so ever. SW walk-slow. Yes they do[/p][/quote]Me neither, I'm sure I've never seen one as late in the day as 4pm either. (Although Southy will tell us we're lying or not looking hard enough...)[/p][/quote]I am guessing that you don't see many binmen after four o'clock p.m. as that is when they are probably unloading at the tip, plus in the winter it is probably dark around four o'clock and less safe to operate and perhaps the shift pattern stays the same all year around, although I suppose there is scope for overtime in summer daylight, but as I said, just guessing, perhaps I should try Googling or Wiki for a true answer. OSPREYSAINT
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7:30pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

solomum wrote:
townieboy wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?
Because by cutting pay for everyone, they can save jobs and not have to fork out for redundancy. Plus, the posts are not redundant. They still need the same amount of employees, just want to pay them less money. No-one should have to take a pay cut. But, whilst I am in support of the workers, I do fear that the council will win this one. They will sack all striking employees and just recruit a whole new load on the new contracts.
Will the new Contracts of Employment have a clause in them banning membership of any Trade Unions, I am thinking that the same situation could arise if there is still Union involvement.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Why dosent the Council offer Redundancy to the workers whose contracts are changing ? The ones who wish to stay will sign while the others will take the cash. Easiest way isnt it ?[/p][/quote]Because by cutting pay for everyone, they can save jobs and not have to fork out for redundancy. Plus, the posts are not redundant. They still need the same amount of employees, just want to pay them less money. No-one should have to take a pay cut. But, whilst I am in support of the workers, I do fear that the council will win this one. They will sack all striking employees and just recruit a whole new load on the new contracts.[/p][/quote]Will the new Contracts of Employment have a clause in them banning membership of any Trade Unions, I am thinking that the same situation could arise if there is still Union involvement. OSPREYSAINT
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7:34pm Tue 14 Jun 11

glented says...

Can I suggest that Unison and Southampton Council (or even the Echo) employ an independent polling company to assess who actually has the majority of public support in Southampton. Each side keep claiming the public support without any real evidence and perhaps if we had some qualified view things could progress
Can I suggest that Unison and Southampton Council (or even the Echo) employ an independent polling company to assess who actually has the majority of public support in Southampton. Each side keep claiming the public support without any real evidence and perhaps if we had some qualified view things could progress glented
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7:41pm Tue 14 Jun 11

SOULJACKER says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Elgy wrote:
Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care!
I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year.
If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them
Hell yeah, We could all just post some music on here....that would be good....gonna have me some hed (PE) I think, bwahahahaha :P

Forgot to take my meds today.... .later tater :)

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=JatvIj52L
3E
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Anybody else bored to tears of the endless headline articles about this in the Echo? I don't even live in the city, I don't care![/p][/quote]I totaly agree with you,this is becoming the longest non story this year. If the idiots want to loose thiere jobs it is up to them[/p][/quote]Hell yeah, We could all just post some music on here....that would be good....gonna have me some hed (PE) I think, bwahahahaha :P Forgot to take my meds today.... .later tater :) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=JatvIj52L 3E SOULJACKER
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8:09pm Tue 14 Jun 11

ct yankee says...

If our council tax pays the wages of
these people and we now have to dispose of our rubbish ourselves
surely we should get a tax rebate for the weeks these workers are on strike.
and what about our basic human right to a reliable decent sanitation
service
If our council tax pays the wages of these people and we now have to dispose of our rubbish ourselves surely we should get a tax rebate for the weeks these workers are on strike. and what about our basic human right to a reliable decent sanitation service ct yankee
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8:23pm Tue 14 Jun 11

afka_bill says...

ct yankee wrote:
If our council tax pays the wages of
these people and we now have to dispose of our rubbish ourselves
surely we should get a tax rebate for the weeks these workers are on strike.
and what about our basic human right to a reliable decent sanitation
service
if we are paying there wages as part of our council tax, in a way that makes us all their boss, so get back to work or get the sack
[quote][p][bold]ct yankee[/bold] wrote: If our council tax pays the wages of these people and we now have to dispose of our rubbish ourselves surely we should get a tax rebate for the weeks these workers are on strike. and what about our basic human right to a reliable decent sanitation service[/p][/quote]if we are paying there wages as part of our council tax, in a way that makes us all their boss, so get back to work or get the sack afka_bill
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8:26pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Paul from woolston says...

Reading these posts after a hard days work on the buildings, where on average take home pay has been cut for most trades by up to 30% over the last 3 years ( bricklayers 2008 average £19 ph - 2011 £13 ph self employed). I must admit it surprised me how well financiallyof socialist southy actually was.
I mean, look, he started posting at 12.36pm and his current last post is 6.22pm.........now, either he is unemployed, which would not show socialism to be the great equaliser that he portrays..........He could of course posted throughout the afternoon whilst at his workplace, which also would not portray a "we`re all in it together chaps attitude"..........O
r he could be stinking rich and not give a s..t,and just likes an argument!!!!
Reading these posts after a hard days work on the buildings, where on average take home pay has been cut for most trades by up to 30% over the last 3 years ( bricklayers 2008 average £19 ph - 2011 £13 ph self employed). I must admit it surprised me how well financiallyof socialist southy actually was. I mean, look, he started posting at 12.36pm and his current last post is 6.22pm.........now, either he is unemployed, which would not show socialism to be the great equaliser that he portrays..........He could of course posted throughout the afternoon whilst at his workplace, which also would not portray a "we`re all in it together chaps attitude"..........O r he could be stinking rich and not give a s..t,and just likes an argument!!!! Paul from woolston
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9:29pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM? loosehead
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9:32pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail..... OSPREYSAINT
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9:36pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

glented wrote:
Can I suggest that Unison and Southampton Council (or even the Echo) employ an independent polling company to assess who actually has the majority of public support in Southampton. Each side keep claiming the public support without any real evidence and perhaps if we had some qualified view things could progress
It will not matter a jot who has the most support, neither side is in the least interested about joe public.
[quote][p][bold]glented[/bold] wrote: Can I suggest that Unison and Southampton Council (or even the Echo) employ an independent polling company to assess who actually has the majority of public support in Southampton. Each side keep claiming the public support without any real evidence and perhaps if we had some qualified view things could progress[/p][/quote]It will not matter a jot who has the most support, neither side is in the least interested about joe public. OSPREYSAINT
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9:37pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross. MGRA
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9:40pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Our Council Tax is paying the management wages too and that is considerably more than a few binmens wages. Do you think we are getting value for money out of them?
Our Council Tax is paying the management wages too and that is considerably more than a few binmens wages. Do you think we are getting value for money out of them? OSPREYSAINT
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9:46pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too. OSPREYSAINT
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9:50pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone.... MGRA
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9:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11

IronLady2010 says...

Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers!

So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section.

You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain?
Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers! So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section. You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain? IronLady2010
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10:00pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike. loosehead
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10:03pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
found one in a few seconds...

on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/science-enviro
nment-13719510

it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions"

this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted.

So that statement is a lie.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]found one in a few seconds... on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/science-enviro nment-13719510 it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions" this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted. So that statement is a lie. MGRA
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10:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....
Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....[/p][/quote]Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me. OSPREYSAINT
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10:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

Southy I quoted your signature figures to a tenant on my round & when I said Southy said 130,000 people signed for the strike she quite clearly said "God how bigs this city as everyone in my street is against it" she thought you must mean you got 130 signatures
Southy I quoted your signature figures to a tenant on my round & when I said Southy said 130,000 people signed for the strike she quite clearly said "God how bigs this city as everyone in my street is against it" she thought you must mean you got 130 signatures loosehead
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10:06pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.[/p][/quote]You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip. OSPREYSAINT
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10:06pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....
Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me.
What even Winston Churchill? (hope he was Tory)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....[/p][/quote]Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me.[/p][/quote]What even Winston Churchill? (hope he was Tory) loosehead
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10:09pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers!

So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section.

You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain?
I must be .000001 then because despite the inaccuracies I find his posts amusing, and in future if anyone takes my posts seriously I am going on strike and not posting any more.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers! So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section. You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain?[/p][/quote]I must be .000001 then because despite the inaccuracies I find his posts amusing, and in future if anyone takes my posts seriously I am going on strike and not posting any more. OSPREYSAINT
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10:12pm Tue 14 Jun 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.
I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.[/p][/quote]You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.[/p][/quote]I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0 loosehead
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10:13pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....
Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me.
What even Winston Churchill? (hope he was Tory)
I agree Winston was booted out by the nation very unfairly after all the good work he had done, good in a coalition winning the war but not trusted to run the Conservatives in repairing the nation. Yes I will make an exception here.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]I can support my statements.... loads of lies on bbc website alone....[/p][/quote]Fair enough, your choice, but don't say you didn't know when the beak asks. As for the previous post I don't like any tory leaders, old or young, the best tory is history in my book, but that is just me.[/p][/quote]What even Winston Churchill? (hope he was Tory)[/p][/quote]I agree Winston was booted out by the nation very unfairly after all the good work he had done, good in a coalition winning the war but not trusted to run the Conservatives in repairing the nation. Yes I will make an exception here. OSPREYSAINT
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10:18pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.
I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0
Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.[/p][/quote]You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.[/p][/quote]I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0[/p][/quote]Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location. OSPREYSAINT
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10:27pm Tue 14 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
found one in a few seconds...

on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/science-enviro

nment-13719510

it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions"

this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted.

So that statement is a lie.
Believe me you don't want to get me going on the Global Warming garbage, I have strong views on that too!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]found one in a few seconds... on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/science-enviro nment-13719510 it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions" this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted. So that statement is a lie.[/p][/quote]Believe me you don't want to get me going on the Global Warming garbage, I have strong views on that too! OSPREYSAINT
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11:19pm Tue 14 Jun 11

MGRA says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MGRA wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.
You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.
found one in a few seconds...

on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/science-enviro


nment-13719510

it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions"

this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted.

So that statement is a lie.
Believe me you don't want to get me going on the Global Warming garbage, I have strong views on that too!
this will make you laugh then , the biased bbc won't report this because it contradicts their propoganda machine garbage out but take a look at this and remember , this , 2011, is now FOUR s*** summers in a row for the UK !?!? Something is up and it ain't co2...... : http://www.thegwpf.o
rg/science-news/3208
-earth-may-be-headed
-into-a-mini-ice-age
-within-a-decade.htm
l
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]the best post on this subject to date. The BBC are such a joke that there is a whole website dedicating to highlighting their lies and propaganda, its called bias bbc. They print lies on politics, environment, climate. You name it, the bbc will lie about it. They will support labour at all costs and treat their viewers/readers as idiots and think of themselves as academics and intellectuals who are serving mankind with their dross. publicly funded dross.[/p][/quote]You have opened my eyes on that, BBC support Labour, which means I am paying twice! Be a little careful MGRA libel laws apply to these forums too.[/p][/quote]found one in a few seconds... on link : http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/science-enviro nment-13719510 it says this : "Since then, nothing has emerged through mainstream science to challenge the IPCC's basic picture of a world warming through greenhouse gas emissions" this is simply a lie. For instance the latest satellite records connfirm the 1990 IPCC climate models for warming are wrong. There is statistically NO warming in the USA for the last 100 years and proof that the world is currently cooling, not warming as the IPCC predicted. So that statement is a lie.[/p][/quote]Believe me you don't want to get me going on the Global Warming garbage, I have strong views on that too![/p][/quote]this will make you laugh then , the biased bbc won't report this because it contradicts their propoganda machine garbage out but take a look at this and remember , this , 2011, is now FOUR s*** summers in a row for the UK !?!? Something is up and it ain't co2...... : http://www.thegwpf.o rg/science-news/3208 -earth-may-be-headed -into-a-mini-ice-age -within-a-decade.htm l MGRA
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12:04am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll.
VOTE
1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way.

OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on.
Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll. VOTE 1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way. OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on. OSPREYSAINT
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12:54am Wed 15 Jun 11

clausentum says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll.
VOTE
1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way.

OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on.
Can we have an extra option, please.

6. Bin this Mickey Mouse idea of polling.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll. VOTE 1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way. OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on.[/p][/quote]Can we have an extra option, please. 6. Bin this Mickey Mouse idea of polling. clausentum
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12:54am Wed 15 Jun 11

sass says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.
Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.
Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad.
Punctuation saves lives!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.[/p][/quote]Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.[/p][/quote]Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad. Punctuation saves lives! sass
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1:00am Wed 15 Jun 11

clausentum says...

sass wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.
Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.
Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad.
Punctuation saves lives!
Why "Grandad"?

What's wrong with Grandma?

Some Grandma's are very young for their age and quite tasty.
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.[/p][/quote]Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.[/p][/quote]Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad. Punctuation saves lives![/p][/quote]Why "Grandad"? What's wrong with Grandma? Some Grandma's are very young for their age and quite tasty. clausentum
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7:55am Wed 15 Jun 11

cyber_fug says...

IronLady2010, The Real World says...
9:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11
"So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end?"

I asked people in my road, people I work with (private sector) and the people in my local pub .... only ONE person supported the strike.

I too asked dopey the same question and his answer was.......They weren't people in the real world !!!!

We need to bear in mind that the people in Southys "real world" are Militants, the majority of inhabitants of the Millbrook Estate and the people up on Shirley High street during day !!
IronLady2010, The Real World says... 9:57pm Tue 14 Jun 11 "So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end?" I asked people in my road, people I work with (private sector) and the people in my local pub .... only ONE person supported the strike. I too asked dopey the same question and his answer was.......They weren't people in the real world !!!! We need to bear in mind that the people in Southys "real world" are Militants, the majority of inhabitants of the Millbrook Estate and the people up on Shirley High street during day !! cyber_fug
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8:52am Wed 15 Jun 11

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.
I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0
Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location.
Osprey the truth is this wasn't my work,my wife wanted to earn some money for herself so took this on got a lot of grief so somehow I got lumbered doing it? I've never seen a penny of the money paid for doing it,money goes straight to my wife.It's crazy you have people going mad at you for putting it through their door but then you get people stopping you & asking for a leaflet?My wife told me to quit so like the man of the family I did what I was told to do & quit on Monday.I heard today that Eric Pickles was told by DEFRA that under European Law he couldn't insist on a weekly bin collection & they actually are going to impose huge fines if we don't cut back on our waste & recycle more,If that's true I'm sorry to say this but the bin men are striking towards redundancy.I don't advocate redundancy I wish the unions could put forward proposals that the council can accept & both sides save face & the least amount if any face redundancy.No matter what you or I vote doesn't mean one of us want to see people losing their jobs but unlike Southy I face up to reality & no we have to make savings some where which means cuts
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.[/p][/quote]You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.[/p][/quote]I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0[/p][/quote]Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location.[/p][/quote]Osprey the truth is this wasn't my work,my wife wanted to earn some money for herself so took this on got a lot of grief so somehow I got lumbered doing it? I've never seen a penny of the money paid for doing it,money goes straight to my wife.It's crazy you have people going mad at you for putting it through their door but then you get people stopping you & asking for a leaflet?My wife told me to quit so like the man of the family I did what I was told to do & quit on Monday.I heard today that Eric Pickles was told by DEFRA that under European Law he couldn't insist on a weekly bin collection & they actually are going to impose huge fines if we don't cut back on our waste & recycle more,If that's true I'm sorry to say this but the bin men are striking towards redundancy.I don't advocate redundancy I wish the unions could put forward proposals that the council can accept & both sides save face & the least amount if any face redundancy.No matter what you or I vote doesn't mean one of us want to see people losing their jobs but unlike Southy I face up to reality & no we have to make savings some where which means cuts loosehead
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9:09am Wed 15 Jun 11

cyber_fug says...

If that is the case Looshead, and as Dusty pointed out previously, the council will then use the men for increasing (or hitting) the Councils re-cycling targets. Surely the people used in sorting recycled waste would be put on different contracts as the bin men and, as you said, will render the then redundant anyway.
If that is the case Looshead, and as Dusty pointed out previously, the council will then use the men for increasing (or hitting) the Councils re-cycling targets. Surely the people used in sorting recycled waste would be put on different contracts as the bin men and, as you said, will render the then redundant anyway. cyber_fug
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9:16am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

clausentum wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll.
VOTE
1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way.

OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on.
Can we have an extra option, please.

6. Bin this Mickey Mouse idea of polling.
You got my point straight away!
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the thread I am not good at this but how about a simple poll. VOTE 1. If you support the binmen. 2. You back the binmen but want them to get back to the negotiating table. 3. No Opinion. 4. Back the Council but ask them to withdraw the redundancy notices. 5. Back the Council all the way. OK vote by just putting the number of your choice, no dialogue yet. WUMS and idiots may only vote 3. If there is any fixing malarky, like forcing the Southampton Labour party into voting 1 I will disqualify both of them. Liberals if you need to know how first past the post works I will explain later. Tory voters be honest. OK Vote is on.[/p][/quote]Can we have an extra option, please. 6. Bin this Mickey Mouse idea of polling.[/p][/quote]You got my point straight away! OSPREYSAINT
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9:33am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?
....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....
OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.
You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.
I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0
Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location.
Osprey the truth is this wasn't my work,my wife wanted to earn some money for herself so took this on got a lot of grief so somehow I got lumbered doing it? I've never seen a penny of the money paid for doing it,money goes straight to my wife.It's crazy you have people going mad at you for putting it through their door but then you get people stopping you & asking for a leaflet?My wife told me to quit so like the man of the family I did what I was told to do & quit on Monday.I heard today that Eric Pickles was told by DEFRA that under European Law he couldn't insist on a weekly bin collection & they actually are going to impose huge fines if we don't cut back on our waste & recycle more,If that's true I'm sorry to say this but the bin men are striking towards redundancy.I don't advocate redundancy I wish the unions could put forward proposals that the council can accept & both sides save face & the least amount if any face redundancy.No matter what you or I vote doesn't mean one of us want to see people losing their jobs but unlike Southy I face up to reality & no we have to make savings some where which means cuts
I think you will find that I made an earlier comment about weekly / fortnightly collections, in most areas I am sure alternatve general/recycle collections would work and encourage better recycling discipline, but there are areas such as high rise flats that have limited storage facilities and a more frequent removal regime there, would keep the disease risk down, it is not all down to finance, there are health and safety issues which have to be addressed, which is why both sides have to get their act together and forget the dogma. Why the European Law comes into it I cannot answer, that is for the Politicians to sort out.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you come out with a load of hog swill don't you? I walk around Dyer rd,Nelson rd Richmond trafalgar,foundry lane Paynes ,Wolselet Firgrove rd in actually fact up until today I delivered 1,400 lidll leaflets in this area.that's carrying a bag full & pulling a trolley full (not an electric one) I get £36 for this it takes me 4-6 hours so tell me how hard is it for a bin man who doesn't carry ant weight & has a machine to pick up the bins? there's also more than one person doing a round so 1,000 bins with two collecting them & then one operating the machine & 9 times out of ten they don't get put back how the hell does this take from 5am until 4pm?these are the times your quoting also when has the BBC ever been on the side of the Tories? it was a BBC political reporter who said the unions wouldn't work with the council to sort this,also in my round so many people are saying this is political & if a Labour council had made these proposals we wouldn't have these strikes as the union would have come to an agreement.You say the Unions are their members,the membership can only go by what the union are telling them like the rd sweeper who said were fighting pay cuts but we don't mind a pay freeze,has the unions listened to this guy?the unions don't agree with a freeze & have stated they can accept pay cuts but no redundancies & no pay freeze.so cut wages this year but next year when you still need to save give us a 4% pay rise even a clown can see that doesn't make any sense.I can't believe you hate an old tory leader but pay lip service to the unions that made that tory our PM?[/p][/quote]....and you are adding to the problem with your junk mail.....[/p][/quote]OSprey I agree with you & asked why we were being asked to do this at the moment as we were getting irate people having a go at us.but also people actually want Liddl papers I know it's not everyone but if you put NO JUNK MAIL signs up you don't get them.but I know longer do this round as from today.but if you looked properly at the rubbish piles you will see blue bins empty but cans cardboard etc piled up in overflown green bins & this is even with out the strike.[/p][/quote]You could always miss out the middle man and pop them in the recycling skip.[/p][/quote]I was a supervisor & they do backchecks ( knock peoples doors) they also phone people.But Osprey the good companies have rules & as I tell every one who moans put up the sign & I'd quite happily not put it through your letterbox.if they check & a no leaflet or no junk mail sign is there I still get paid for the round but if one person says they didn't receive one I might not get paid for the whole round.but I'm looking at agencies to see what they've got in the way of short term Temporary work(low pay0[/p][/quote]Sorry mate I was pulling your leg, all power to your elbow, I happen to like Lidl especially as I have one at a convenient location.[/p][/quote]Osprey the truth is this wasn't my work,my wife wanted to earn some money for herself so took this on got a lot of grief so somehow I got lumbered doing it? I've never seen a penny of the money paid for doing it,money goes straight to my wife.It's crazy you have people going mad at you for putting it through their door but then you get people stopping you & asking for a leaflet?My wife told me to quit so like the man of the family I did what I was told to do & quit on Monday.I heard today that Eric Pickles was told by DEFRA that under European Law he couldn't insist on a weekly bin collection & they actually are going to impose huge fines if we don't cut back on our waste & recycle more,If that's true I'm sorry to say this but the bin men are striking towards redundancy.I don't advocate redundancy I wish the unions could put forward proposals that the council can accept & both sides save face & the least amount if any face redundancy.No matter what you or I vote doesn't mean one of us want to see people losing their jobs but unlike Southy I face up to reality & no we have to make savings some where which means cuts[/p][/quote]I think you will find that I made an earlier comment about weekly / fortnightly collections, in most areas I am sure alternatve general/recycle collections would work and encourage better recycling discipline, but there are areas such as high rise flats that have limited storage facilities and a more frequent removal regime there, would keep the disease risk down, it is not all down to finance, there are health and safety issues which have to be addressed, which is why both sides have to get their act together and forget the dogma. Why the European Law comes into it I cannot answer, that is for the Politicians to sort out. OSPREYSAINT
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9:33am Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

Personally, were I now in the shoes of the dustmen, I would be returning to work promising to labour harder than ever to clear up the mess for the benefit of all the residents of Southampton.

You have made you point lads and no one can now deny how valuable a service you provide.

Get back to work and tell everyone that you will work on despite the unhelpful stance taken by the council but refuse your new contract outright.

Let them lock you out, if they have the B*ll* to do so.

Sadly, I do not think your strike action will change much anyway but when the rubbish builds up again and you are still willing to work...who will the rampant right wingers blame then?

One thing is certain, ordinary balanced people will be more inclined to back you and you will almost certainly be seeing the back of the pompous lot up at the Civic Chambers.

No one is winning in this dispute but you can make those responsible pay the cost of their political incompetence and vanity.
Personally, were I now in the shoes of the dustmen, I would be returning to work promising to labour harder than ever to clear up the mess for the benefit of all the residents of Southampton. You have made you point lads and no one can now deny how valuable a service you provide. Get back to work and tell everyone that you will work on despite the unhelpful stance taken by the council but refuse your new contract outright. Let them lock you out, if they have the B*ll* to do so. Sadly, I do not think your strike action will change much anyway but when the rubbish builds up again and you are still willing to work...who will the rampant right wingers blame then? One thing is certain, ordinary balanced people will be more inclined to back you and you will almost certainly be seeing the back of the pompous lot up at the Civic Chambers. No one is winning in this dispute but you can make those responsible pay the cost of their political incompetence and vanity. TheJeepster
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9:34am Wed 15 Jun 11

MGRA says...

everyone I spoke to in woolston said they are glad for the peace and quiet. they say the bin men shout and bawl and all hours across the street and make an aweful noise. They say a weekly peaceful trip to the dump is a small price to pay for less noise pollution. ;-)
everyone I spoke to in woolston said they are glad for the peace and quiet. they say the bin men shout and bawl and all hours across the street and make an aweful noise. They say a weekly peaceful trip to the dump is a small price to pay for less noise pollution. ;-) MGRA
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9:48am Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MGRA wrote:
everyone I spoke to in woolston said they are glad for the peace and quiet. they say the bin men shout and bawl and all hours across the street and make an aweful noise. They say a weekly peaceful trip to the dump is a small price to pay for less noise pollution. ;-)
Stop trying to deflect the direction of the thread with a load of nonsense.

Truly the tactic of the uninspired and unimaginative, not to mention unhelpful.

You sad little person!

Are you one of Royston's best buddies?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: everyone I spoke to in woolston said they are glad for the peace and quiet. they say the bin men shout and bawl and all hours across the street and make an aweful noise. They say a weekly peaceful trip to the dump is a small price to pay for less noise pollution. ;-)[/p][/quote]Stop trying to deflect the direction of the thread with a load of nonsense. Truly the tactic of the uninspired and unimaginative, not to mention unhelpful. You sad little person! Are you one of Royston's best buddies? TheJeepster
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10:29am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge!
I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge! OSPREYSAINT
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10:38am Wed 15 Jun 11

pod says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers! So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section. You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain?
red wine, lace knicekers and you live on a STREET, are you deirde barlow
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Southy, may I take this opportunity of thanking you for brightening up my day! Your posts have had me wetting my lace knickers! So Southy, you estimate majority of Southampton residents support the strike, yet on here 99.999999% of people think you are a numpty who posts nothing but rubbish yet you choose to ignore this and STILL think you are right? Where does your logic end? Now where's that red wine so I can continue reading this funny comment section. You have made my day! In my street, they are all AGAINST the strike, but maybe that's because people have a brain?[/p][/quote]red wine, lace knicekers and you live on a STREET, are you deirde barlow pod
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10:44am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

knicekers? lol more likely passion killers and a pint of Ridleys Milk Stout or whatever it was. Ena Sharples reborn.
knicekers? lol more likely passion killers and a pint of Ridleys Milk Stout or whatever it was. Ena Sharples reborn. OSPREYSAINT
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10:52am Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge!
Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets.

Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless.

Let Royston lock you out if he dares.

You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is.

Don't take the blame for others shame.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge![/p][/quote]Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets. Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless. Let Royston lock you out if he dares. You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is. Don't take the blame for others shame. TheJeepster
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10:55am Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

sass wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
MBHants wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.
Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.
For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.
Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.
Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad.
Punctuation saves lives!
Couldn't eat a whole one. Can't see punctuation when it's spoken so not always the case.
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: Southy - you keep banging on about the support of "the man on the street", and that the bin men have been knocking on doors etc. You do realise that most people in this city who work are not around during these times, so you are getting somewhat skewed statistics. Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives. (No stats to back that guess up I'm afraid :-) . Most in the private sector work 9-5 (plus unpaid overtime) so are unable to voice our displeasure at the piling up of rubbish in the streets. We only see some relatively well paid for the work they do, poorly skilled people complaining that they are being screwed over by "the man" / "super rich" / "Thatcher's children". Quite frankly it comes across as narrow minded, selfish and stupid. . Actually if I'm honest, half the people I work with didn't know there was a strike - they just assumed the bin men were doing a slightly worse job than usual. I'm not kidding sadly. . Also can you try to improve your grasp of English? It makes reading your posts quite a challenge and it may improve your ability to gain votes in the next election.[/p][/quote]Do you realise those binmen are up and around way before you even think about getting out of bed, and when they are on there rounds they see many coming out though there doors, plus the door knocking took place on the weekend. "Statistics made up of casual workers, unemployed and housewives" well thats the majority then in southampton, oh better add on to that part timers to. But the stalls that been around colletting signatures have been done during lunch breaks at midday, when those are working in the area of the stalls go out to get some thing to eat. and at the weekend. so those statics are not going to be far away from the true numbers. Oh by the way if you really look at most of the Private sector are on shift work, or 7-30 to 5-00, its only office staff and shop workers that are on 9-5. To the narrow minded people is more of a case that those that been brianwashed over the years to be Thatcherites in there thinking, 30 years of it. If half the people you talk to don't know there a bin strike then they either go though they life with there eyes closed and don't notice a thing like in a zombie state, dont read or watch or listen to the news or live in an area out side southampton where the bin men have not gone on strike yet. Oh by the way English is a variant it will very from location to location, you might of been taught to read, write and to sound like standard english but most have not, most speak common english, which will vary from location to location even across a city this size.[/p][/quote]For gawds sake, stop making excuses for your poor grasp of the English language. You can either spell & use punctuation or you can't. Simple as & you obviously can't. Now, you can carry on making excuses for those who cannot face reality either. Your good at that. Please stop 'oh & by the way'. That is a clear indication that you are making it up as you type. You come across as smugly deluded & as someone suffering from a superiority complex.[/p][/quote]Do you speak and say the punctuation no you do not, you only wright them and its standard english that enforce you to write them. No when I say "oh by the way" its is because I had check up on some thing before posting it, and that is all.[/p][/quote]Let's eat Grandad...or...Let's eat, Grandad. Punctuation saves lives![/p][/quote]Couldn't eat a whole one. Can't see punctuation when it's spoken so not always the case. OSPREYSAINT
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11:06am Wed 15 Jun 11

loosehead says...

TheJeepster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge!
Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets.

Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless.

Let Royston lock you out if he dares.

You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is.

Don't take the blame for others shame.
DO you not think that the council could fill these jobs at least twice over for lower pay?your in dreamland if you don't.Woolston is getting new houses & a supermarket & if it was not for the Tories this would have been high density housing but the tories re-negotiated the deal done by Labour & got the amount of housing down,funny though Labour approved it,tories come to power & a labour council joint the protests against it that makes you wonder doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge![/p][/quote]Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets. Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless. Let Royston lock you out if he dares. You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is. Don't take the blame for others shame.[/p][/quote]DO you not think that the council could fill these jobs at least twice over for lower pay?your in dreamland if you don't.Woolston is getting new houses & a supermarket & if it was not for the Tories this would have been high density housing but the tories re-negotiated the deal done by Labour & got the amount of housing down,funny though Labour approved it,tories come to power & a labour council joint the protests against it that makes you wonder doesn't it? loosehead
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11:19am Wed 15 Jun 11

loosehead says...

Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay!
Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay! loosehead
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11:24am Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

loosehead wrote:
TheJeepster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge!
Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets.

Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless.

Let Royston lock you out if he dares.

You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is.

Don't take the blame for others shame.
DO you not think that the council could fill these jobs at least twice over for lower pay?your in dreamland if you don't.Woolston is getting new houses & a supermarket & if it was not for the Tories this would have been high density housing but the tories re-negotiated the deal done by Labour & got the amount of housing down,funny though Labour approved it,tories come to power & a labour council joint the protests against it that makes you wonder doesn't it?
I dare say they could fill the jobs very easily for half the cost, probably quarter.

But then, claims for tax credits and housing benefit would rocket in this area, not only amongst the unemployed former GAINFULLY employed Dustmen but also the newly appointed low paid dustmen.

I quite like dreamland but then I like sleeping.

I only sleep at night though and am fully awake and alert now and so would have to question what Fantasy-land you are inhabiting?

Away with you and your Mickey Mouse Argument!

One senses my argument and suggestions make you feel a little uneasy!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I paid a visit to Woolston recently and I think it was closed due to lack of interest. To be honest it looked very run down and in need of regeneration, the loss of Vospers has made a marked effect on what was a thriving shopping centre. Oh for the days of the Floating Bridge![/p][/quote]Yes, Woolston is a pretty run down place with a lot of rubbish on the streets. Get back to work lads, refuse your contracts and work on regardless. Let Royston lock you out if he dares. You have proved your point and just how valuable the service you provide is. Don't take the blame for others shame.[/p][/quote]DO you not think that the council could fill these jobs at least twice over for lower pay?your in dreamland if you don't.Woolston is getting new houses & a supermarket & if it was not for the Tories this would have been high density housing but the tories re-negotiated the deal done by Labour & got the amount of housing down,funny though Labour approved it,tories come to power & a labour council joint the protests against it that makes you wonder doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I dare say they could fill the jobs very easily for half the cost, probably quarter. But then, claims for tax credits and housing benefit would rocket in this area, not only amongst the unemployed former GAINFULLY employed Dustmen but also the newly appointed low paid dustmen. I quite like dreamland but then I like sleeping. I only sleep at night though and am fully awake and alert now and so would have to question what Fantasy-land you are inhabiting? Away with you and your Mickey Mouse Argument! One senses my argument and suggestions make you feel a little uneasy! TheJeepster
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11:28am Wed 15 Jun 11

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay!
Good Post! Right on!
>
The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest.
>
A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay![/p][/quote]Good Post! Right on! > The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest. > A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!" George4th
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11:45am Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay!
Good Post! Right on!
>
The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest.
>
A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"
Envy and jealousy methinks!

If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one!

Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better!

I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else.

MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN.

Get back to work lads.

Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much.

Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare.

Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay![/p][/quote]Good Post! Right on! > The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest. > A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"[/p][/quote]Envy and jealousy methinks! If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one! Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better! I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else. MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN. Get back to work lads. Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much. Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare. Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years. TheJeepster
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11:51am Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed] MBHants
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12:09pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

So what? Are you jealous of those who stand up and defend what they have?

Doesn't growth in earnings and a stable income base eventually lead to growth in spending and growth in the economy as a whole?

One of the cornerstones of a free market economy that unfortunately for you, also lets your private sector employers pay you less than you obviously think you are worth.

You can't have it all ways and envying what others have is not a very healthy viewpoint to hold is it?

Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years.

Understandably, they don't want to give away what they already have and whilst there are those out there on so much more, who are not taking a hit at all...why should they?

And MBHants...contemptib
le and pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed][/p][/quote]So what? Are you jealous of those who stand up and defend what they have? Doesn't growth in earnings and a stable income base eventually lead to growth in spending and growth in the economy as a whole? One of the cornerstones of a free market economy that unfortunately for you, also lets your private sector employers pay you less than you obviously think you are worth. You can't have it all ways and envying what others have is not a very healthy viewpoint to hold is it? Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years. Understandably, they don't want to give away what they already have and whilst there are those out there on so much more, who are not taking a hit at all...why should they? And MBHants...contemptib le and pathetic. TheJeepster
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12:17pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Shoong says...

Bob Crow:

http://www.thesun.co
.uk/sol/homepage/new
s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q
uaffs-champagne-at-6
50-Mayfair-lunch.htm
l
Bob Crow: http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/new s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q uaffs-champagne-at-6 50-Mayfair-lunch.htm l Shoong
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12:27pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Supersaint79 says...

100% agree!
100% agree! Supersaint79
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12:51pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

TheJeepster wrote:
MBHants wrote:
George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

So what? Are you jealous of those who stand up and defend what they have?

Doesn't growth in earnings and a stable income base eventually lead to growth in spending and growth in the economy as a whole?

One of the cornerstones of a free market economy that unfortunately for you, also lets your private sector employers pay you less than you obviously think you are worth.

You can't have it all ways and envying what others have is not a very healthy viewpoint to hold is it?

Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years.

Understandably, they don't want to give away what they already have and whilst there are those out there on so much more, who are not taking a hit at all...why should they?

And MBHants...contemptib

le and pathetic.
Excellent post Jeepster.
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed][/p][/quote]So what? Are you jealous of those who stand up and defend what they have? Doesn't growth in earnings and a stable income base eventually lead to growth in spending and growth in the economy as a whole? One of the cornerstones of a free market economy that unfortunately for you, also lets your private sector employers pay you less than you obviously think you are worth. You can't have it all ways and envying what others have is not a very healthy viewpoint to hold is it? Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years. Understandably, they don't want to give away what they already have and whilst there are those out there on so much more, who are not taking a hit at all...why should they? And MBHants...contemptib le and pathetic.[/p][/quote]Excellent post Jeepster. OSPREYSAINT
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12:52pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

Shoong wrote:
Bob Crow:

http://www.thesun.co

.uk/sol/homepage/new

s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q

uaffs-champagne-at-6

50-Mayfair-lunch.htm

l
Good for Bob Crow.

It's a free country for left and right, and even the middle is tolerated to a certain extent.

Champers anyone?

Do not try to lamely stereotype those (especially me) as left wingers, when they do not agree with your obviously fascist views.

This has nothing to do with my thoughts that the dustmen should now end their strike and return to work.

They do a great job for us all and are worth every penny they get.

I also feel they should refuse to sign any new contract and work on regardless.

Lets see who is really putting the peoples interests first..overpaid councillors or the workers.

Royston should negotiate or lock the lads out but he won't do either,he will just hide behind the dithering Moulton and let him end up the scapegoat.

Making a decision that will either see him losing face or being held to account for future rubbish pile ups will almost certainly cost old Rambo his Political ambitions.

I'd say they'd gone down the toilet already...if we had any in this poor excuse of a city run by completely inadequate Parish Councillors.

Work on Boys, turn it all back on them!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Bob Crow: http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/new s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q uaffs-champagne-at-6 50-Mayfair-lunch.htm l[/p][/quote]Good for Bob Crow. It's a free country for left and right, and even the middle is tolerated to a certain extent. Champers anyone? Do not try to lamely stereotype those (especially me) as left wingers, when they do not agree with your obviously fascist views. This has nothing to do with my thoughts that the dustmen should now end their strike and return to work. They do a great job for us all and are worth every penny they get. I also feel they should refuse to sign any new contract and work on regardless. Lets see who is really putting the peoples interests first..overpaid councillors or the workers. Royston should negotiate or lock the lads out but he won't do either,he will just hide behind the dithering Moulton and let him end up the scapegoat. Making a decision that will either see him losing face or being held to account for future rubbish pile ups will almost certainly cost old Rambo his Political ambitions. I'd say they'd gone down the toilet already...if we had any in this poor excuse of a city run by completely inadequate Parish Councillors. Work on Boys, turn it all back on them! TheJeepster
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12:52pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

TheJeepster - lol

I quoted another post and included a "Citation Needed" comment underneath, but the forum stripped it out as it was in square brackets.
>
I'd like to see more sources for all the facts and statistics on here because with out them it's just noise of people shouting into the wind. Nobody listening and nobody actually debating.
>
Yet somehow from that quote you decided to go off on one at me without having any idea of my opinion or thoughts.
>
So.... you ask if I'm jealous of them for standing up for their rights? No not at all. I just want my right to choose how I spend my money and get value for that money. I don't owe these people anything, I'd like the option of not paying them anything, and to pay a private contractor to collect my rubbish. If they did the work as badly as the current lot then thanks to a free market I could move my custom elsewhere!
>
I spend about 4 months of the year working to pay tax. That tax goes mostly on services I don't use, and those that I do use are usually sub par and really not value for money in my opinion.
>
I don't want to be trading my time and hard effort for paying others pensions when I don't believe the standard of work carried out is of equal value to their remuneration.
TheJeepster - lol I quoted another post and included a "Citation Needed" comment underneath, but the forum stripped it out as it was in square brackets. > I'd like to see more sources for all the facts and statistics on here because with out them it's just noise of people shouting into the wind. Nobody listening and nobody actually debating. > Yet somehow from that quote you decided to go off on one at me without having any idea of my opinion or thoughts. > So.... you ask if I'm jealous of them for standing up for their rights? No not at all. I just want my right to choose how I spend my money and get value for that money. I don't owe these people anything, I'd like the option of not paying them anything, and to pay a private contractor to collect my rubbish. If they did the work as badly as the current lot then thanks to a free market I could move my custom elsewhere! > I spend about 4 months of the year working to pay tax. That tax goes mostly on services I don't use, and those that I do use are usually sub par and really not value for money in my opinion. > I don't want to be trading my time and hard effort for paying others pensions when I don't believe the standard of work carried out is of equal value to their remuneration. MBHants
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12:59pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Shoong says...

TheJeepster wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Bob Crow:

http://www.thesun.co


.uk/sol/homepage/new


s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q


uaffs-champagne-at-6


50-Mayfair-lunch.htm


l
Good for Bob Crow.

It's a free country for left and right, and even the middle is tolerated to a certain extent.

Champers anyone?

Do not try to lamely stereotype those (especially me) as left wingers, when they do not agree with your obviously fascist views.

This has nothing to do with my thoughts that the dustmen should now end their strike and return to work.

They do a great job for us all and are worth every penny they get.

I also feel they should refuse to sign any new contract and work on regardless.

Lets see who is really putting the peoples interests first..overpaid councillors or the workers.

Royston should negotiate or lock the lads out but he won't do either,he will just hide behind the dithering Moulton and let him end up the scapegoat.

Making a decision that will either see him losing face or being held to account for future rubbish pile ups will almost certainly cost old Rambo his Political ambitions.

I'd say they'd gone down the toilet already...if we had any in this poor excuse of a city run by completely inadequate Parish Councillors.

Work on Boys, turn it all back on them!
I can only really refer you to previous post, expect to say this is probably the face of modern Unionism.

RMT Union Workers = taken for mugs.

Bob drinks champers.

Your local bin men = soon to redundant.



http://www.thesun.co


.uk/sol/homepage/new


s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q


uaffs-champagne-at-6


50-Mayfair-lunch.htm


Good luck Brothers!
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Bob Crow: http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/new s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q uaffs-champagne-at-6 50-Mayfair-lunch.htm l[/p][/quote]Good for Bob Crow. It's a free country for left and right, and even the middle is tolerated to a certain extent. Champers anyone? Do not try to lamely stereotype those (especially me) as left wingers, when they do not agree with your obviously fascist views. This has nothing to do with my thoughts that the dustmen should now end their strike and return to work. They do a great job for us all and are worth every penny they get. I also feel they should refuse to sign any new contract and work on regardless. Lets see who is really putting the peoples interests first..overpaid councillors or the workers. Royston should negotiate or lock the lads out but he won't do either,he will just hide behind the dithering Moulton and let him end up the scapegoat. Making a decision that will either see him losing face or being held to account for future rubbish pile ups will almost certainly cost old Rambo his Political ambitions. I'd say they'd gone down the toilet already...if we had any in this poor excuse of a city run by completely inadequate Parish Councillors. Work on Boys, turn it all back on them![/p][/quote]I can only really refer you to previous post, expect to say this is probably the face of modern Unionism. RMT Union Workers = taken for mugs. Bob drinks champers. Your local bin men = soon to redundant. http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/new s/3637921/Bob-Crow-q uaffs-champagne-at-6 50-Mayfair-lunch.htm Good luck Brothers! Shoong
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1:01pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living. MBHants
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1:05pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MBHants wrote:
George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed][/p][/quote]Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help. OSPREYSAINT
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1:18pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster - lol

I quoted another post and included a "Citation Needed" comment underneath, but the forum stripped it out as it was in square brackets.
>
I'd like to see more sources for all the facts and statistics on here because with out them it's just noise of people shouting into the wind. Nobody listening and nobody actually debating.
>
Yet somehow from that quote you decided to go off on one at me without having any idea of my opinion or thoughts.
>
So.... you ask if I'm jealous of them for standing up for their rights? No not at all. I just want my right to choose how I spend my money and get value for that money. I don't owe these people anything, I'd like the option of not paying them anything, and to pay a private contractor to collect my rubbish. If they did the work as badly as the current lot then thanks to a free market I could move my custom elsewhere!
>
I spend about 4 months of the year working to pay tax. That tax goes mostly on services I don't use, and those that I do use are usually sub par and really not value for money in my opinion.
>
I don't want to be trading my time and hard effort for paying others pensions when I don't believe the standard of work carried out is of equal value to their remuneration.
Slap Down!!!

Sometimes you can't have what you want.

Has nobody ever told you that?

Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me.

"These People"!!! who do you think you are?

Like it or not, you are part of a society and the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have, not have a load of inevitably subsidised individuals running around, unmonitored, collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two!

You owe, we all do.

Get used to it.

One day, I hope that you may be unlucky enough to earn less and thus, have less of a choice than you do now...how will you pay for your bin to be emptied then?

I don't wish ill fate on many but you take the biscuit ( and you'd probably eat it all yourself too )...what a smug, self centred world you occupy, full of your own self importance and WANTS!
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster - lol I quoted another post and included a "Citation Needed" comment underneath, but the forum stripped it out as it was in square brackets. > I'd like to see more sources for all the facts and statistics on here because with out them it's just noise of people shouting into the wind. Nobody listening and nobody actually debating. > Yet somehow from that quote you decided to go off on one at me without having any idea of my opinion or thoughts. > So.... you ask if I'm jealous of them for standing up for their rights? No not at all. I just want my right to choose how I spend my money and get value for that money. I don't owe these people anything, I'd like the option of not paying them anything, and to pay a private contractor to collect my rubbish. If they did the work as badly as the current lot then thanks to a free market I could move my custom elsewhere! > I spend about 4 months of the year working to pay tax. That tax goes mostly on services I don't use, and those that I do use are usually sub par and really not value for money in my opinion. > I don't want to be trading my time and hard effort for paying others pensions when I don't believe the standard of work carried out is of equal value to their remuneration.[/p][/quote]Slap Down!!! Sometimes you can't have what you want. Has nobody ever told you that? Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me. "These People"!!! who do you think you are? Like it or not, you are part of a society and the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have, not have a load of inevitably subsidised individuals running around, unmonitored, collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two! You owe, we all do. Get used to it. One day, I hope that you may be unlucky enough to earn less and thus, have less of a choice than you do now...how will you pay for your bin to be emptied then? I don't wish ill fate on many but you take the biscuit ( and you'd probably eat it all yourself too )...what a smug, self centred world you occupy, full of your own self importance and WANTS! TheJeepster
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1:23pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
I admire your fortitude, the majority of us deplore the attitude that the world owes us a living, it doesn't, but it should be ensuring fair play. Nobody owes me anything and I owe nothing to anybody, but that is down to prudence, luck and an unbroken 47 year career at a moderate pay level, fully paid up Pension and paid all of my taxes. I just expect a fair deal as I go in to my final years, not too much to ask is it? There are too many out there who are not so lucky through no fault of there own, there is little I can do to help them other than to offer my verbal and written support. What is obvious is that I do not like people who are better off, who spend their time telling binmen to get back to work just because it affects them, and those that say these workers have no right to defend themselves from bullies who are damaging their future. That is just my own opinion, it is not inscribed in the scriptures. All I ask is that you think before you act, just try to put yourself in their position and consider how you would react in adversity.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.[/p][/quote]I admire your fortitude, the majority of us deplore the attitude that the world owes us a living, it doesn't, but it should be ensuring fair play. Nobody owes me anything and I owe nothing to anybody, but that is down to prudence, luck and an unbroken 47 year career at a moderate pay level, fully paid up Pension and paid all of my taxes. I just expect a fair deal as I go in to my final years, not too much to ask is it? There are too many out there who are not so lucky through no fault of there own, there is little I can do to help them other than to offer my verbal and written support. What is obvious is that I do not like people who are better off, who spend their time telling binmen to get back to work just because it affects them, and those that say these workers have no right to defend themselves from bullies who are damaging their future. That is just my own opinion, it is not inscribed in the scriptures. All I ask is that you think before you act, just try to put yourself in their position and consider how you would react in adversity. OSPREYSAINT
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1:30pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

TheJeepster...
"Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me."

Hmm yes - that is about as far from the truth as you could get, but keep on believing your made up opinions.
>
"the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have"

Please show me ANY report that proves this? I'd just like to have the opportunity to test other methods and see if they are better suited.
>
"collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two!"

Who said anything about saving money? I'm talking about VALUE for money - a more expensive but better service could be what many are after?
>
I'll then ignore the name calling tantrums at the end of your post thanks. There are better ways to discuss with people who have different but equally valid world views.
TheJeepster... "Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me." Hmm yes - that is about as far from the truth as you could get, but keep on believing your made up opinions. > "the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have" Please show me ANY report that proves this? I'd just like to have the opportunity to test other methods and see if they are better suited. > "collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two!" Who said anything about saving money? I'm talking about VALUE for money - a more expensive but better service could be what many are after? > I'll then ignore the name calling tantrums at the end of your post thanks. There are better ways to discuss with people who have different but equally valid world views. MBHants
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1:30pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
Do you pay well?

What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits?

I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now.

I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not.

If I am wrong.

Got any well paid jobs going?
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.[/p][/quote]Do you pay well? What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits? I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now. I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not. If I am wrong. Got any well paid jobs going? TheJeepster
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1:30pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MGRA says...

The Unions in general are showing their hand with a national strike on june 30th. Shuffling nervously in the background will be Milliband. Even more nervous will be the Labour back benchers who realise what this will do.... It will relegate labour to the old stereotype and will promote the "crusade" of the coalition.... I am not anti labour or pro-tory but I can see a situation brewing here that will suit only two people David and Nick. They will be able to paint the Unions and labour together in one big vision of how certain subversive sections of society are trying to scupper our chances of economic renewal... Its playing right into their hands and the unions are too stupid to realise it.
The Unions in general are showing their hand with a national strike on june 30th. Shuffling nervously in the background will be Milliband. Even more nervous will be the Labour back benchers who realise what this will do.... It will relegate labour to the old stereotype and will promote the "crusade" of the coalition.... I am not anti labour or pro-tory but I can see a situation brewing here that will suit only two people David and Nick. They will be able to paint the Unions and labour together in one big vision of how certain subversive sections of society are trying to scupper our chances of economic renewal... Its playing right into their hands and the unions are too stupid to realise it. MGRA
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1:40pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

TheJeepster wrote:
MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
Do you pay well?

What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits?

I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now.

I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not.

If I am wrong.

Got any well paid jobs going?
Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?)


It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications.


It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession.


As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth.
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.[/p][/quote]Do you pay well? What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits? I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now. I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not. If I am wrong. Got any well paid jobs going?[/p][/quote]Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?) It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications. It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession. As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth. MBHants
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1:46pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster...
"Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me."

Hmm yes - that is about as far from the truth as you could get, but keep on believing your made up opinions.
>
"the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have"

Please show me ANY report that proves this? I'd just like to have the opportunity to test other methods and see if they are better suited.
>
"collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two!"

Who said anything about saving money? I'm talking about VALUE for money - a more expensive but better service could be what many are after?
>
I'll then ignore the name calling tantrums at the end of your post thanks. There are better ways to discuss with people who have different but equally valid world views.
If the cap fits...I didn't call you any names I said you seemed to OCCUPY a smug, self centred world and that you seem full of your own self importance.

You, along with many of your type clearly do not understand the philosophy of society and the fact that some things operate for the benefit of us all regardless of profit or loss.

What you advocate has not worked for our railways or buses, our privatised care homes are now failing and these along with many other services either attract or will attract massive Government subsidies to continue serving us all.

I could go on but I know it would be lost on you.

Just answer me a few simple questions...if it has worked so well, why does it all cost so much more and why are so many struggling so much to pay for what they get?

Overpaid Council Staff? I don't think so...I rather think they are in the same boat as everyone else.

Maybe more should stand up and be counted.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster... "Sounds like you were quite an over indulged, spoilt little brat to me." Hmm yes - that is about as far from the truth as you could get, but keep on believing your made up opinions. > "the best and most efficient way to collect our waste is what we have" Please show me ANY report that proves this? I'd just like to have the opportunity to test other methods and see if they are better suited. > "collecting your rubbish because it may save you a buck or two!" Who said anything about saving money? I'm talking about VALUE for money - a more expensive but better service could be what many are after? > I'll then ignore the name calling tantrums at the end of your post thanks. There are better ways to discuss with people who have different but equally valid world views.[/p][/quote]If the cap fits...I didn't call you any names I said you seemed to OCCUPY a smug, self centred world and that you seem full of your own self importance. You, along with many of your type clearly do not understand the philosophy of society and the fact that some things operate for the benefit of us all regardless of profit or loss. What you advocate has not worked for our railways or buses, our privatised care homes are now failing and these along with many other services either attract or will attract massive Government subsidies to continue serving us all. I could go on but I know it would be lost on you. Just answer me a few simple questions...if it has worked so well, why does it all cost so much more and why are so many struggling so much to pay for what they get? Overpaid Council Staff? I don't think so...I rather think they are in the same boat as everyone else. Maybe more should stand up and be counted. TheJeepster
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1:51pm Wed 15 Jun 11

George4th says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MBHants wrote:
George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help.
Check it out on the National Statistics website - it's true.

>

The Jeepster
In your hurry to ply me with your political views, you missed the point!

As I said, what would a Martian make of it? It is totally ridiculous in the year 2011.

All those people in the Private sector creating wealth so that the Public Sector can spend it and get gold plated benefits into the bargain? Something's wrong don't you think?
Imagine being in the Private sector on a low wage, knowing that you have to pay taxes to fund those gold plated benefits when you yourself have no pension or what you had was plundered by Gordon Brown!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed][/p][/quote]Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help.[/p][/quote]Check it out on the National Statistics website - it's true. > The Jeepster In your hurry to ply me with your political views, you missed the point! As I said, what would a Martian make of it? It is totally ridiculous in the year 2011. All those people in the Private sector creating wealth so that the Public Sector can spend it and get gold plated benefits into the bargain? Something's wrong don't you think? Imagine being in the Private sector on a low wage, knowing that you have to pay taxes to fund those gold plated benefits when you yourself have no pension or what you had was plundered by Gordon Brown! George4th
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1:57pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

"Overpaid Council Staff?"
No I'd say Overstaffed council.


I guess I'm what the Americans would describe as a libertarian. In favour of more personal responsibility and smaller Government.


I get that we need some things to work for the whole of society to function, and I am completely behind helping those who really cannot help themselves for whatever reason. I just believe more people should take responsibility of their own, and immediate relationship, situations, rather than expecting others to help.
"Overpaid Council Staff?" No I'd say Overstaffed council. I guess I'm what the Americans would describe as a libertarian. In favour of more personal responsibility and smaller Government. I get that we need some things to work for the whole of society to function, and I am completely behind helping those who really cannot help themselves for whatever reason. I just believe more people should take responsibility of their own, and immediate relationship, situations, rather than expecting others to help. MBHants
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2:04pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster wrote:
MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
Do you pay well?

What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits?

I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now.

I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not.

If I am wrong.

Got any well paid jobs going?
Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?)


It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications.


It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession.


As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth.
I hold my hand up to you then but find it hard to understand why you would seemingly begrudge others a reasonable income and livelihood.

Especially as many are on far less than you pay.

Ok, allowing for the skilled/unskilled factor I can understand variations in income but I feel you may not realise that many people simply do not earn enough now to cover quite basic costs.

A pay cut is not viable if what you receive is less than you need to service your living costs and we can't all run businesses..if we did you would not have anyone to employ!

It goes back to social responsibility and I agree..from top to bottom people in this country need to start acting with more thought for others and do more for themselves.

Sadly, those at the top seem to be lacking in the leadership and qualities that others would follow.

Many who do for themselves end up adopting your stance and so the social divides open between us.

Let me tell you.

I have very little, expect very little and do my best for whoever employs me but at the same time, I expect them to do their best by me.

My employers are actually my friends now and I know how they are struggling but I also appreciate the other side of the coin because I am tails down facing the floor at the moment.

I believe the way forward is together doing the best we can for each other.

Sadly, I do not think the politicians we have in this city are capable of getting that across, even if they believe it, which I do not think they do.

Time will tell but I think things will get a lot worse before they get better and can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have, especially when what they have is not really that much!
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.[/p][/quote]Do you pay well? What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits? I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now. I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not. If I am wrong. Got any well paid jobs going?[/p][/quote]Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?) It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications. It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession. As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth.[/p][/quote]I hold my hand up to you then but find it hard to understand why you would seemingly begrudge others a reasonable income and livelihood. Especially as many are on far less than you pay. Ok, allowing for the skilled/unskilled factor I can understand variations in income but I feel you may not realise that many people simply do not earn enough now to cover quite basic costs. A pay cut is not viable if what you receive is less than you need to service your living costs and we can't all run businesses..if we did you would not have anyone to employ! It goes back to social responsibility and I agree..from top to bottom people in this country need to start acting with more thought for others and do more for themselves. Sadly, those at the top seem to be lacking in the leadership and qualities that others would follow. Many who do for themselves end up adopting your stance and so the social divides open between us. Let me tell you. I have very little, expect very little and do my best for whoever employs me but at the same time, I expect them to do their best by me. My employers are actually my friends now and I know how they are struggling but I also appreciate the other side of the coin because I am tails down facing the floor at the moment. I believe the way forward is together doing the best we can for each other. Sadly, I do not think the politicians we have in this city are capable of getting that across, even if they believe it, which I do not think they do. Time will tell but I think things will get a lot worse before they get better and can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have, especially when what they have is not really that much! TheJeepster
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2:20pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here. OSPREYSAINT
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2:24pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
"Overpaid Council Staff?"
No I'd say Overstaffed council.


I guess I'm what the Americans would describe as a libertarian. In favour of more personal responsibility and smaller Government.


I get that we need some things to work for the whole of society to function, and I am completely behind helping those who really cannot help themselves for whatever reason. I just believe more people should take responsibility of their own, and immediate relationship, situations, rather than expecting others to help.
Two guys and a driver empty the bins of the premises I work at and often, it is only one and the driver doubles over to empty as well.

Hardly overstaffed.

Museum and gallery staff are down to just a few, soon to one, with most of the old attendant jobs being done by volunteers.

I understand where you are coming from and am largely on the same side but at the same time, I don't think the dustmen are on a different team either!

I wish your business well and hope that all the cutbacks don't have a knock-on affect for you in a year or so's time.

The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike but the diversity of viewpoints from people in the same boat is almost staggering.

How on earth do we begin to heal such a fractious, discontented society?
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: "Overpaid Council Staff?" No I'd say Overstaffed council. I guess I'm what the Americans would describe as a libertarian. In favour of more personal responsibility and smaller Government. I get that we need some things to work for the whole of society to function, and I am completely behind helping those who really cannot help themselves for whatever reason. I just believe more people should take responsibility of their own, and immediate relationship, situations, rather than expecting others to help.[/p][/quote]Two guys and a driver empty the bins of the premises I work at and often, it is only one and the driver doubles over to empty as well. Hardly overstaffed. Museum and gallery staff are down to just a few, soon to one, with most of the old attendant jobs being done by volunteers. I understand where you are coming from and am largely on the same side but at the same time, I don't think the dustmen are on a different team either! I wish your business well and hope that all the cutbacks don't have a knock-on affect for you in a year or so's time. The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike but the diversity of viewpoints from people in the same boat is almost staggering. How on earth do we begin to heal such a fractious, discontented society? TheJeepster
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2:45pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MBHants says...

>The Jeepster

Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here!

Just two things I wanted to comment on:
>"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have"
No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most.

As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent.

>The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike
Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions.
>The Jeepster Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here! Just two things I wanted to comment on: >"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have" No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most. As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent. >The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions. MBHants
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2:54pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MBHants wrote:
George4th wrote:
'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.'

Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help.
Check it out on the National Statistics website - it's true.

>

The Jeepster
In your hurry to ply me with your political views, you missed the point!

As I said, what would a Martian make of it? It is totally ridiculous in the year 2011.

All those people in the Private sector creating wealth so that the Public Sector can spend it and get gold plated benefits into the bargain? Something's wrong don't you think?
Imagine being in the Private sector on a low wage, knowing that you have to pay taxes to fund those gold plated benefits when you yourself have no pension or what you had was plundered by Gordon Brown!
National Statistics web site is not a good place to get the right figures from, They are a private firm that publish those figures, they get the figures from Government Dept, but they are allowed to alter how those figures are represented.
Like in the case of the national adverge wage, they might get figure saying that £30k is the national adverage, but it don't mean thats what the majority of people are earning, normally its about half of that.
To get the right figures you aft to go to each government body and get those figures, put it all together your self, there is no where you can get all the right figures in the same place. And its done that way so its not easy for the general public to get hold of the right and true figures.
In the Private sector they tend to take the wealth out of the country for there own greed, The Public sector tends to keep the wealth with in the country, any gold plated benefits are not seen by your front line staff, its the same in both the Public and Private sector.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: George4th wrote: 'The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less.' [Citation Needed][/p][/quote]Is that an average figure for the Private sector? I cannot believe those figures are across the board, or else there are some Private sector workers out there that are getting seriously rooked by their Scrooge employers, and should be fighting their cause with or without Union help.[/p][/quote]Check it out on the National Statistics website - it's true. > The Jeepster In your hurry to ply me with your political views, you missed the point! As I said, what would a Martian make of it? It is totally ridiculous in the year 2011. All those people in the Private sector creating wealth so that the Public Sector can spend it and get gold plated benefits into the bargain? Something's wrong don't you think? Imagine being in the Private sector on a low wage, knowing that you have to pay taxes to fund those gold plated benefits when you yourself have no pension or what you had was plundered by Gordon Brown![/p][/quote]National Statistics web site is not a good place to get the right figures from, They are a private firm that publish those figures, they get the figures from Government Dept, but they are allowed to alter how those figures are represented. Like in the case of the national adverge wage, they might get figure saying that £30k is the national adverage, but it don't mean thats what the majority of people are earning, normally its about half of that. To get the right figures you aft to go to each government body and get those figures, put it all together your self, there is no where you can get all the right figures in the same place. And its done that way so its not easy for the general public to get hold of the right and true figures. In the Private sector they tend to take the wealth out of the country for there own greed, The Public sector tends to keep the wealth with in the country, any gold plated benefits are not seen by your front line staff, its the same in both the Public and Private sector. southy
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3:00pm Wed 15 Jun 11

George4th says...

Just for the record, 1 in 5 manager's posts are going.
>
I would love to be a fly on the wall when the union come up with suggestions on how to cover the current year's funding gap of £25 million plus the little matter of saving £65 million over the next 4 years!
>
The original proposal by the Council is perfectly fair. Everyone agrees that jobs must go and this was the fairest solution.
>
Alternatively, can someone from the Union side lay out there solution on here please - I'd be fascinated to read it!
Just for the record, 1 in 5 manager's posts are going. > I would love to be a fly on the wall when the union come up with suggestions on how to cover the current year's funding gap of £25 million plus the little matter of saving £65 million over the next 4 years! > The original proposal by the Council is perfectly fair. Everyone agrees that jobs must go and this was the fairest solution. > Alternatively, can someone from the Union side lay out there solution on here please - I'd be fascinated to read it! George4th
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3:08pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot. southy
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3:13pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it) Shoong
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3:15pm Wed 15 Jun 11

MGRA says...

MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster wrote:
MBHants wrote:
TheJeepster said:
"Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years."
>
Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value.
>
The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it.
>
The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.
Do you pay well?

What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits?

I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now.

I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not.

If I am wrong.

Got any well paid jobs going?
Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?)


It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications.


It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession.


As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth.
I may have something of interest for your company. I know someone who works for a national IT skills agency and is looking for SMEs to participate in various schemes.... have you a company web page I can leave a message on ?
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: TheJeepster said: "Get out there George and demand more and better from those who have the power and wealth to provide it, rather than carp on about others on a few quid more who have negotiated a better deal for themselves over the years." > Rather than **** about the have and have nots I got off my backside and started a company 5 years ago. Instead of demanding anything from anyone as if the world owed me, I've created value. > The past 3 years have been very hard for me and my employees, but we've ridden it out with cut backs, mostly myself, and I managed to avoid redundancies. As a company we're now on the other side and things are better, but we've suffered and instead of complaining we knuckled down got on with it. > The British "can do" spirit seems to have been lost by many who still think the world owes them a living.[/p][/quote]Do you pay well? What are your employees average earnings, no specifics, just the average, so I can ascertain whether you are running a truly self supporting business, "creating Value" or relying on the Government to make your employees wages up with Tax Credits? I will be the first to applaud you if you are among the few Businesses who pay a wage that truly reflects how much is needed to live in this country now. I hope you are and will withdraw my statement that you must be the selfish type...but I bet you are not. If I am wrong. Got any well paid jobs going?[/p][/quote]Less than 10 employees, average salary is probably in the high £20ks. As far as I know none of my staff are on tax credits of any kind (perhaps child benefit?) It's skilled work, with almost all staff having a degree or higher level qualifications. It's in the field of software development, and we currently are paying a little below market rates, but that was a decision we all took rather than having to make redundancies. The staff and the TEAM are the most important assets to the company and having toughed it out we're stronger as a unit than before the recession. As revenues rise, the profit WILL be shared as they have all worked long hard hours for less than they are worth.[/p][/quote]I may have something of interest for your company. I know someone who works for a national IT skills agency and is looking for SMEs to participate in various schemes.... have you a company web page I can leave a message on ? MGRA
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3:20pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

George4th wrote:
Just for the record, 1 in 5 manager's posts are going.
>
I would love to be a fly on the wall when the union come up with suggestions on how to cover the current year's funding gap of £25 million plus the little matter of saving £65 million over the next 4 years!
>
The original proposal by the Council is perfectly fair. Everyone agrees that jobs must go and this was the fairest solution.
>
Alternatively, can someone from the Union side lay out there solution on here please - I'd be fascinated to read it!
The fair option would be all councils to say not to any cuts to Government and tell them to find another way, IE like claining that £129 Billion lost in Tax revenue each year by 2% of the population.
Making cuts do not cure the debt we are in, it just moves the debt from A to B, after all you cut there wages and you end up having to top up there wages with some type of Benefits, If they lose there job then they will end up on Benefits, whitch will need to come out of the Tax payers.
And yet if you was to collett that unpaid Tax from the 2% population in 10 years the National Debt would be cleared, with cash to spare, no one takes pay cuts, no one loses jobs, so no need to clain Benefits to top up for lost of earnings.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Just for the record, 1 in 5 manager's posts are going. > I would love to be a fly on the wall when the union come up with suggestions on how to cover the current year's funding gap of £25 million plus the little matter of saving £65 million over the next 4 years! > The original proposal by the Council is perfectly fair. Everyone agrees that jobs must go and this was the fairest solution. > Alternatively, can someone from the Union side lay out there solution on here please - I'd be fascinated to read it![/p][/quote]The fair option would be all councils to say not to any cuts to Government and tell them to find another way, IE like claining that £129 Billion lost in Tax revenue each year by 2% of the population. Making cuts do not cure the debt we are in, it just moves the debt from A to B, after all you cut there wages and you end up having to top up there wages with some type of Benefits, If they lose there job then they will end up on Benefits, whitch will need to come out of the Tax payers. And yet if you was to collett that unpaid Tax from the 2% population in 10 years the National Debt would be cleared, with cash to spare, no one takes pay cuts, no one loses jobs, so no need to clain Benefits to top up for lost of earnings. southy
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3:24pm Wed 15 Jun 11

WrinklyKrel says...

I haven’t read every comment in this section but enough I think to make me ask the question “Where are the Union and Employer NEGOTIATORS “ ?
They appear to have disappeared behind megaphones and pointing fingers and are hell bent, God forbid, on taking us into another Great Strike situation. Some appear to be even gloating over the fact that other areas may join them in the strike action.
My father was one of the Great Unemployed back in the Thirties and it mad him a very bitter man.
Trenches seem to have been dug and no one wants to put their hand up and be counted. U Turns are apparently only to be used by others.
I have been a Union member ever since I came out of the Navy back in 1970 and also a life long Conservative voter, I always believed that employees needed a strong voice and the Union was there to put over strong argument and I joined in order to get that strong voice and to have someone with that voice NEGOTIATE for me.
One of my bosses, a very strong Union man, once said to me “Don’t ever say NO . You will regret it if you do. A trench is not an easy place to get out of”
If you look back over the years you will see that many, many conflicts ended up with both side having to sit down and talk.

Both sides please TALK TALK.
I haven’t read every comment in this section but enough I think to make me ask the question “Where are the Union and Employer NEGOTIATORS “ ? They appear to have disappeared behind megaphones and pointing fingers and are hell bent, God forbid, on taking us into another Great Strike situation. Some appear to be even gloating over the fact that other areas may join them in the strike action. My father was one of the Great Unemployed back in the Thirties and it mad him a very bitter man. Trenches seem to have been dug and no one wants to put their hand up and be counted. U Turns are apparently only to be used by others. I have been a Union member ever since I came out of the Navy back in 1970 and also a life long Conservative voter, I always believed that employees needed a strong voice and the Union was there to put over strong argument and I joined in order to get that strong voice and to have someone with that voice NEGOTIATE for me. One of my bosses, a very strong Union man, once said to me “Don’t ever say NO . You will regret it if you do. A trench is not an easy place to get out of” If you look back over the years you will see that many, many conflicts ended up with both side having to sit down and talk. Both sides please TALK TALK. WrinklyKrel
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3:27pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off. southy
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3:37pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

WrinklyKrel, Locks Heath
No great strike yet, but there is talk about one later on in the year if we can't get the Government to do the right thing.
June 30th is only a National Strike between the Unions that are effected.
This is a National thing because the government pass on what each Council has to save in the next 4 years, so what is effecting one is effecting them all, just that each Council will go about it in there own way.
Has for both sides to sit down and talk, the Unions have been waiting on the Council to come to the table with ACAS and talk, but the council has just put it off time after time.
WrinklyKrel, Locks Heath No great strike yet, but there is talk about one later on in the year if we can't get the Government to do the right thing. June 30th is only a National Strike between the Unions that are effected. This is a National thing because the government pass on what each Council has to save in the next 4 years, so what is effecting one is effecting them all, just that each Council will go about it in there own way. Has for both sides to sit down and talk, the Unions have been waiting on the Council to come to the table with ACAS and talk, but the council has just put it off time after time. southy
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4:09pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

MBHants wrote:
>The Jeepster

Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here!

Just two things I wanted to comment on:
>"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have"
No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most.

As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent.

>The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike
Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions.
So you say that it is only the Unions that are using the binmen as pawns, the Council Management completely innocent and not threatening them in any way?
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: >The Jeepster Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here! Just two things I wanted to comment on: >"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have" No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most. As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent. >The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions.[/p][/quote]So you say that it is only the Unions that are using the binmen as pawns, the Council Management completely innocent and not threatening them in any way? OSPREYSAINT
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4:14pm Wed 15 Jun 11

loosehead says...

TheJeepster wrote:
George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay!
Good Post! Right on!
>
The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest.
>
A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"
Envy and jealousy methinks!

If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one!

Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better!

I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else.

MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN.

Get back to work lads.

Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much.

Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare.

Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years.
Grow a set & fight for better.I did I & many of my work mates marched through town Asking the Government to re-think NI payment hike & for the government of the day ( Blairs Labour) to argue that we should still be able to export our products out of the EU.Blair wouldn't do this our TWO Labour MP's wouldn't back us so 1,000 people lost their jobs,so how about stop judging people on here that you know nothing about? these people are being dragged into a political fight The Unions who voted Ed Milliband into power against the elected council & the coalition Government with they hope the collapse of both & a Labour Gov.These peoples jobs are on the line I just wish they could see what's happening & stop & sign the contracts & save their jobs.not people egging them on to redundancy
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay![/p][/quote]Good Post! Right on! > The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest. > A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"[/p][/quote]Envy and jealousy methinks! If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one! Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better! I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else. MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN. Get back to work lads. Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much. Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare. Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years.[/p][/quote]Grow a set & fight for better.I did I & many of my work mates marched through town Asking the Government to re-think NI payment hike & for the government of the day ( Blairs Labour) to argue that we should still be able to export our products out of the EU.Blair wouldn't do this our TWO Labour MP's wouldn't back us so 1,000 people lost their jobs,so how about stop judging people on here that you know nothing about? these people are being dragged into a political fight The Unions who voted Ed Milliband into power against the elected council & the coalition Government with they hope the collapse of both & a Labour Gov.These peoples jobs are on the line I just wish they could see what's happening & stop & sign the contracts & save their jobs.not people egging them on to redundancy loosehead
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4:19pm Wed 15 Jun 11

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
No Southy what's being said is people like you keep on banging on about the rich having so much money they should pay loads of tax so surely if some one overfills their bins & puts out plastic bags & someone puts his/her bin out once a fortnight/month the person who makes most waste should pay more for it to be taken away shouldn't they ? If you could open your eyes up how many bins could you see where they haven't even tried to recycle? Never again your form of socialism
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]No Southy what's being said is people like you keep on banging on about the rich having so much money they should pay loads of tax so surely if some one overfills their bins & puts out plastic bags & someone puts his/her bin out once a fortnight/month the person who makes most waste should pay more for it to be taken away shouldn't they ? If you could open your eyes up how many bins could you see where they haven't even tried to recycle? Never again your form of socialism loosehead
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4:46pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
TheJeepster wrote:
George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay!
Good Post! Right on!
>
The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest.
>
A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"
Envy and jealousy methinks!

If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one!

Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better!

I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else.

MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN.

Get back to work lads.

Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much.

Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare.

Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years.
Grow a set & fight for better.I did I & many of my work mates marched through town Asking the Government to re-think NI payment hike & for the government of the day ( Blairs Labour) to argue that we should still be able to export our products out of the EU.Blair wouldn't do this our TWO Labour MP's wouldn't back us so 1,000 people lost their jobs,so how about stop judging people on here that you know nothing about? these people are being dragged into a political fight The Unions who voted Ed Milliband into power against the elected council & the coalition Government with they hope the collapse of both & a Labour Gov.These peoples jobs are on the line I just wish they could see what's happening & stop & sign the contracts & save their jobs.not people egging them on to redundancy
I think he knows more than you.
You all ways been able to export out of the EU, there has nothing ever to stop any one being able to, just that in side the EU there is no import or export Tax , part of the EU agreement.
NI needs to go up in line with inflation, or it would be under funded.
Has for job loses under Blair in the 1,000 I very much doubt because under Blair (one of only things they did get right) was that Unemployment was going down, and only at the end of Brown ( the final year under Brown) did Unemployment rise a little has the reccession took hold. (short term Umployment 0-6 mths).
The Unions did not support or voted Ed Milliban, they was backing Ed Balls because he was lesser of the evils, The Right Wing Labour members voted in Ed Milliban.
Very few have signed the new contracts any way, no one on the front line staff have signed it yet.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Have you people been listening to the news? first we had council workers going on strike to get redundancy then we get Teachers & civil servants going on strike because they've been asked to pay more towards their final salary pension so tough luck kids your exams & education doesn't matter what matters is that people in the private sector won't be paying as much towards my final salary pension but I will have to pay more.these people never had their pension funds robbed by Brown so leaving them with a worthless pension these people have had those pensions protected & are now putting childrens education at risk just because they're being asked to contribute more towards their own pensions & don't forget this would include those council workers & strikers.I would have loved to be taking home now what I earnt as a final salary I would be on £29,000 year before I eventually get a Government pension (if I live that long) I wouldn't have gone on strike I would quite happily contribute towards it as long as it was protected from the government.When you people go on about council workers pay just remember you are paying for their Final Salary pension & the more they get ( pay rises) the more we joe public have to pay![/p][/quote]Good Post! Right on! > The Public sector already get,on average, over £3,000 per year more than the Private sector and on average, "work" 2 hours a week less. Add the gold plated pensions and the sickness benefits and the holiday entitlement and all the rest. > A man from Mars would ask the question " Why are you, the tax payer working in the Private sector (of whom only 1/3rd have a private pension), subsidising the Superior Pensions of the Public Sector? You have to be nuts!"[/p][/quote]Envy and jealousy methinks! If you don't like your private sector job and it's averagely lower pay and conditions, get another one! Alternatively, grow a set and fight for better! I am constantly amazed how the average Brit aspires to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life and somehow believes this to be a strong position to argue from, especially if they can carp about someone else. MESSAGE TO THE DUSTMEN. Get back to work lads. Fight for YOUR rights, by refusing to sign your contract and labouring on for all of us providing the valuable service that we have all missed so much. Do your best for all of us now and make the Tories lock you out if they dare. Hopefully that will see the back of the Rampant Right in this City for quite a number of years.[/p][/quote]Grow a set & fight for better.I did I & many of my work mates marched through town Asking the Government to re-think NI payment hike & for the government of the day ( Blairs Labour) to argue that we should still be able to export our products out of the EU.Blair wouldn't do this our TWO Labour MP's wouldn't back us so 1,000 people lost their jobs,so how about stop judging people on here that you know nothing about? these people are being dragged into a political fight The Unions who voted Ed Milliband into power against the elected council & the coalition Government with they hope the collapse of both & a Labour Gov.These peoples jobs are on the line I just wish they could see what's happening & stop & sign the contracts & save their jobs.not people egging them on to redundancy[/p][/quote]I think he knows more than you. You all ways been able to export out of the EU, there has nothing ever to stop any one being able to, just that in side the EU there is no import or export Tax , part of the EU agreement. NI needs to go up in line with inflation, or it would be under funded. Has for job loses under Blair in the 1,000 I very much doubt because under Blair (one of only things they did get right) was that Unemployment was going down, and only at the end of Brown ( the final year under Brown) did Unemployment rise a little has the reccession took hold. (short term Umployment 0-6 mths). The Unions did not support or voted Ed Milliban, they was backing Ed Balls because he was lesser of the evils, The Right Wing Labour members voted in Ed Milliban. Very few have signed the new contracts any way, no one on the front line staff have signed it yet. southy
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4:54pm Wed 15 Jun 11

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
No Southy what's being said is people like you keep on banging on about the rich having so much money they should pay loads of tax so surely if some one overfills their bins & puts out plastic bags & someone puts his/her bin out once a fortnight/month the person who makes most waste should pay more for it to be taken away shouldn't they ? If you could open your eyes up how many bins could you see where they haven't even tried to recycle? Never again your form of socialism
And why not should the rich pay for there fair share in Taxes, instead of only paying a lesser amount for what they take in life, And its only right that the more you want the more Taxes you should pay.
You should all ways do what is right for the majority and not the few, after all its the majority that puts the most in but get the lest amount back inturn, where has your rich the minority put in lest amount takes up more, but gets more than any one else in returns.
It time they started to pay there way in life, and stop expecting the less well off paying for them.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]No Southy what's being said is people like you keep on banging on about the rich having so much money they should pay loads of tax so surely if some one overfills their bins & puts out plastic bags & someone puts his/her bin out once a fortnight/month the person who makes most waste should pay more for it to be taken away shouldn't they ? If you could open your eyes up how many bins could you see where they haven't even tried to recycle? Never again your form of socialism[/p][/quote]And why not should the rich pay for there fair share in Taxes, instead of only paying a lesser amount for what they take in life, And its only right that the more you want the more Taxes you should pay. You should all ways do what is right for the majority and not the few, after all its the majority that puts the most in but get the lest amount back inturn, where has your rich the minority put in lest amount takes up more, but gets more than any one else in returns. It time they started to pay there way in life, and stop expecting the less well off paying for them. southy
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5:54pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up. Torchie1
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6:24pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

MBHants wrote:
>The Jeepster

Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here!

Just two things I wanted to comment on:
>"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have"
No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most.

As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent.

>The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike
Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions.
No. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

My sense of fair play just tells me which side of this argument is more in the right.

I do not believe for one moment that the cuts that are occurring now will do anything but damage the economy more in the long run.

For years we have been sold the idea of a consumerist utopia.

The fact is, on the whole, it was never properly funded by decently paid jobs.

Whose fault was that?

A credit explosion and a tax credits system that hid poorly paying employers, thus letting them exploit their workforces and the government alike didn't help.

An overinflated housing market that cut the legs out from under those trying to get on the property ladder whilst it painted a picture of false prosperity didn't help either.

But most of all, charging too much for what we consume and paying too little in wages is at the root cause of many of the problems we now have.

The fact is, the cost of living long ago got away from what most ordinary earners take home.

At the same time small businesses were hit with huge rent bills charged by greedy landlords cashing in on a supposed boom that in fact, was nothing more than an orgy of spending on the never-never.

And so here we are but what is the solution?

Cut, sack and slash whilst letting inflation run rampant, sitting back and doing nothing to get it under control.

You won't get people spending again by doing that and more businesses will go to the wall as a result.

We have a vacuum between what it costs to live and what people earn and the consumer market has been and will continue to be the victim, including the property market which I predict now...will plunge at some point in the next year.

Couple that with the knock-on effect this will have on peoples spending power and so we enter an inevitable vicious circle spiralling downwards taking all with it.

Inflation will continue to rise and cripple and yet all the government can manage is to cut off the very life blood of the economy by suggesting the slashing of services, which in some areas in this country are the only economy they have.

I don't think the cuts will work full stop. I think we will all end up very sorry that we have lost our services without any gain at all and a year from now, when the cuts have too paid for with the rises in Social benefits they generate, lets see if the IMF maintains our AAA rating then.

We all have our own personal lines in the sand. I don't think the dustmen are being used as pawns, I just think that they have probably reached their line.

This country has not seen the like of strike action like this for years and I do not believe for one moment that the decisions taken to strike were taken lightly...not in this day and age.

I don't happen to think the strikes will work though, not unless there is a radical review of government and indeed, planetary economic policy and I think the course we are on is inevitable now.

However, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer do we go off whimpering into the maelstrom, or do we fight, no matter how futile the fight may be?

What do we cut next year and the year after that when the cuts have been so savage already...Private business subsidies?

I hope that you never stand in front of your own personal line MBHants but I fear you may just find yourself looking into the abyss with the rest of us sometime soon, in the near future.

So go back to your jobs lads, carry on the fine work and make Royston carry out his threat.

Call his bluff and make him lock you out.

I don't think he will but if he does...at least you will taking him with you and then maybe he will see how prophetic Cameron's speech about all being in it together really is!
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: >The Jeepster Glad we seem to be coming together to understand each others views slightly - seems to be a rare occurrence on here! Just two things I wanted to comment on: >"can you really blame anyone who fights to hold onto what they have" No I don't blame them, but they need to learn from the past. Fighting to hold on to something may work in the short term, but is never a good plan for the future as cuts will end up happening somewhere, somehow and eventually to those that oppose them the most. As a course of action it just seems so wrong to me, they aren't looking for solutions, only for things to not change - their energy could be better spent. >The whole picture is way bigger than a bin strike Which is why many people feel the bin men are being used as pawns. A bin strike is high profile, but not "dangerous" for some time. So that's why they've been called out and are being used by the Unions.[/p][/quote]No. I'm sorry, I just don't see it. My sense of fair play just tells me which side of this argument is more in the right. I do not believe for one moment that the cuts that are occurring now will do anything but damage the economy more in the long run. For years we have been sold the idea of a consumerist utopia. The fact is, on the whole, it was never properly funded by decently paid jobs. Whose fault was that? A credit explosion and a tax credits system that hid poorly paying employers, thus letting them exploit their workforces and the government alike didn't help. An overinflated housing market that cut the legs out from under those trying to get on the property ladder whilst it painted a picture of false prosperity didn't help either. But most of all, charging too much for what we consume and paying too little in wages is at the root cause of many of the problems we now have. The fact is, the cost of living long ago got away from what most ordinary earners take home. At the same time small businesses were hit with huge rent bills charged by greedy landlords cashing in on a supposed boom that in fact, was nothing more than an orgy of spending on the never-never. And so here we are but what is the solution? Cut, sack and slash whilst letting inflation run rampant, sitting back and doing nothing to get it under control. You won't get people spending again by doing that and more businesses will go to the wall as a result. We have a vacuum between what it costs to live and what people earn and the consumer market has been and will continue to be the victim, including the property market which I predict now...will plunge at some point in the next year. Couple that with the knock-on effect this will have on peoples spending power and so we enter an inevitable vicious circle spiralling downwards taking all with it. Inflation will continue to rise and cripple and yet all the government can manage is to cut off the very life blood of the economy by suggesting the slashing of services, which in some areas in this country are the only economy they have. I don't think the cuts will work full stop. I think we will all end up very sorry that we have lost our services without any gain at all and a year from now, when the cuts have too paid for with the rises in Social benefits they generate, lets see if the IMF maintains our AAA rating then. We all have our own personal lines in the sand. I don't think the dustmen are being used as pawns, I just think that they have probably reached their line. This country has not seen the like of strike action like this for years and I do not believe for one moment that the decisions taken to strike were taken lightly...not in this day and age. I don't happen to think the strikes will work though, not unless there is a radical review of government and indeed, planetary economic policy and I think the course we are on is inevitable now. However, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer do we go off whimpering into the maelstrom, or do we fight, no matter how futile the fight may be? What do we cut next year and the year after that when the cuts have been so savage already...Private business subsidies? I hope that you never stand in front of your own personal line MBHants but I fear you may just find yourself looking into the abyss with the rest of us sometime soon, in the near future. So go back to your jobs lads, carry on the fine work and make Royston carry out his threat. Call his bluff and make him lock you out. I don't think he will but if he does...at least you will taking him with you and then maybe he will see how prophetic Cameron's speech about all being in it together really is! TheJeepster
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7:50pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.
Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.[/p][/quote]Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up. OSPREYSAINT
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8:06pm Wed 15 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

Come on Southy slow down and concentrate, how many times do we have to tell you the word "as" doesn't begin with an h. It is "their" not there, "lest" = least, get not "gets", Take one hundred lines and try harder in the future. However I agree with you, those with most should pay a fair whack, but I am afraid that doesn't work in this country, the "haves" will keep what they have got, the "have nots" will go without. That is how it is and how it will always be, and no amount of bleating about how unfair it all is, will fall on deaf ears. Having said that, some of the now wealthy people, have worked hard to get what they have, it is not fair to expect them to fund wasters and crooks who do nothing for the rest of us, always two sides to a coin.
Come on Southy slow down and concentrate, how many times do we have to tell you the word "as" doesn't begin with an h. It is "their" not there, "lest" = least, get not "gets", Take one hundred lines and try harder in the future. However I agree with you, those with most should pay a fair whack, but I am afraid that doesn't work in this country, the "haves" will keep what they have got, the "have nots" will go without. That is how it is and how it will always be, and no amount of bleating about how unfair it all is, will fall on deaf ears. Having said that, some of the now wealthy people, have worked hard to get what they have, it is not fair to expect them to fund wasters and crooks who do nothing for the rest of us, always two sides to a coin. OSPREYSAINT
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8:10pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.
Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.
So it was the travellers then?

And I though it was the students!

Silly me.

Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is.

This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.[/p][/quote]Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.[/p][/quote]So it was the travellers then? And I though it was the students! Silly me. Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is. This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time! TheJeepster
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8:25pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Torchie1 says...

TheJeepster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.
Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.
So it was the travellers then?

And I though it was the students!

Silly me.

Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is.

This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time!
Perhaps I could nominate the recently abandoned site at Stoney Cross as an example of one of the above. Just to help you a little, it wasn't inhabited by students.
[quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.[/p][/quote]Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.[/p][/quote]So it was the travellers then? And I though it was the students! Silly me. Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is. This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time![/p][/quote]Perhaps I could nominate the recently abandoned site at Stoney Cross as an example of one of the above. Just to help you a little, it wasn't inhabited by students. Torchie1
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8:39pm Wed 15 Jun 11

**UK** says...

Unfortunately our so called democracy has been distorted into a renewable dictatorship by those who benefit most from the decisions made by government, both national and local.

The real problems with public services have been caused by greedy and incompetent management and political interference. Privatisation of services costs us more in the long-run, it is far better to be the puppeteer than a puppet.

Politics prevents a democratic government, simply because party interests override public interests.
Unfortunately our so called democracy has been distorted into a renewable dictatorship by those who benefit most from the decisions made by government, both national and local. The real problems with public services have been caused by greedy and incompetent management and political interference. Privatisation of services costs us more in the long-run, it is far better to be the puppeteer than a puppet. Politics prevents a democratic government, simply because party interests override public interests. **UK**
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8:41pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Jennigee says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council.
What on earth makes you think council workers earn lots????? I think someone has been telling porky pies, or possibly you have an unrealistic idea of what we get paid. I am skilled at what I do and earn just under £18,000 a year. Which is nowhere near the average yearly salary, which is almost £8000 more. And as for an EASY living, come and see what we do before passing your obviously unfounded opinion!
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: It's time the Council recruited new staff and put them on realistic wages. The jobs will soon be taken up. I just cant believe how much they have been earning compared to skilled private sector staff. Otherwise I may as well quit my proffesional job and earn an easy living with the council.[/p][/quote]What on earth makes you think council workers earn lots????? I think someone has been telling porky pies, or possibly you have an unrealistic idea of what we get paid. I am skilled at what I do and earn just under £18,000 a year. Which is nowhere near the average yearly salary, which is almost £8000 more. And as for an EASY living, come and see what we do before passing your obviously unfounded opinion! Jennigee
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8:42pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

Torchie1 wrote:
TheJeepster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.
I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week.
It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.
Never heard of that myth before.

You made it up.

(or went Google fishing & then posted it)
Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.
Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.
Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.
So it was the travellers then?

And I though it was the students!

Silly me.

Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is.

This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time!
Perhaps I could nominate the recently abandoned site at Stoney Cross as an example of one of the above. Just to help you a little, it wasn't inhabited by students.
I was being ironic.

I know travellers leave a mess everywhere they go.

It is just a shame that the people we pay to monitor and police this sort of activity don't do their jobs.

Unlike the dustmen, the politicians, the police and the judiciary have failed to do their jobs in respect of dealing effectively with the traveller problem, not just for a couple of weeks but for years.

Funny thing is, I don't remember any of them holding a ballot of any type to decide to go on "strike" and turn a blind eye every time the travellers roll into town!

Ask the local shopkeepers how much thieving there was when the travellers hit the high street...and where were the police?

As for our self appointed "Leaders" ( Elected Representatives ) I hope when this whole situation is done and dusted, a great many aspiring political careers end up in the dustbins they left overflowing for so long, when they adopted their bully boy tactics to deal with the dustmen only to run like little girls at the site of a burly traveller or two.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheJeepster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see The Council have spent lots of money on special tape to block off waste paper bins, Is this a ploy to encourage the public to make the place look more untidy? Elsewhere the bins have bin emptied seems some inconsitency here.[/p][/quote]I pointed that out on Monday, I live in a working class area and there is no mess of rubbish that I have seen so far, and we not had a bin collettion for a mth now, and yet while though to Hoglands Park going though an area that is meant to be a bit posh, there is bags of rubbish every where, and yet those people have had a rubbish colletion last week. It just go's to show who really generates more rubbish, its not your poorer areas but your more well of areas, its just showing up that myth who the well off have been blaming for creating more waste, its not been the poor after all, but your well off lot.[/p][/quote]Never heard of that myth before. You made it up. (or went Google fishing & then posted it)[/p][/quote]Not make up at all and you know it, its been quoted on here to many times by those on the right wing thinking side, blaming the poor for the amount of rubbish thats been generated and that they should pay more local Tax than the well off.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy of more rubbish = greater wealth, it would seem that the Pikeys are rolling in it as the abandoned sites seem to take weeks to clean up.[/p][/quote]Do you think the Travellers are poor people and that is why they live in caravans? Show me a impecunious pikey and I will show you his pet Unicorn, don't forget they don't pay Council Taxes so they don't expect a bin collection so they just dump their rubbish for someone else to pick up.[/p][/quote]So it was the travellers then? And I though it was the students! Silly me. Anyway, Southampton is generally a filthy city and it's rarely either of the above though on occasion, it is. This travelling lark looks more and more inviting all the time![/p][/quote]Perhaps I could nominate the recently abandoned site at Stoney Cross as an example of one of the above. Just to help you a little, it wasn't inhabited by students.[/p][/quote]I was being ironic. I know travellers leave a mess everywhere they go. It is just a shame that the people we pay to monitor and police this sort of activity don't do their jobs. Unlike the dustmen, the politicians, the police and the judiciary have failed to do their jobs in respect of dealing effectively with the traveller problem, not just for a couple of weeks but for years. Funny thing is, I don't remember any of them holding a ballot of any type to decide to go on "strike" and turn a blind eye every time the travellers roll into town! Ask the local shopkeepers how much thieving there was when the travellers hit the high street...and where were the police? As for our self appointed "Leaders" ( Elected Representatives ) I hope when this whole situation is done and dusted, a great many aspiring political careers end up in the dustbins they left overflowing for so long, when they adopted their bully boy tactics to deal with the dustmen only to run like little girls at the site of a burly traveller or two. TheJeepster
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9:02pm Wed 15 Jun 11

TheJeepster says...

WrinklyKrel wrote:
I haven’t read every comment in this section but enough I think to make me ask the question “Where are the Union and Employer NEGOTIATORS “ ?
They appear to have disappeared behind megaphones and pointing fingers and are hell bent, God forbid, on taking us into another Great Strike situation. Some appear to be even gloating over the fact that other areas may join them in the strike action.
My father was one of the Great Unemployed back in the Thirties and it mad him a very bitter man.
Trenches seem to have been dug and no one wants to put their hand up and be counted. U Turns are apparently only to be used by others.
I have been a Union member ever since I came out of the Navy back in 1970 and also a life long Conservative voter, I always believed that employees needed a strong voice and the Union was there to put over strong argument and I joined in order to get that strong voice and to have someone with that voice NEGOTIATE for me.
One of my bosses, a very strong Union man, once said to me “Don’t ever say NO . You will regret it if you do. A trench is not an easy place to get out of”
If you look back over the years you will see that many, many conflicts ended up with both side having to sit down and talk.

Both sides please TALK TALK.
Now you know why so many societies treat their elderly as venerable moderators, to be listened too and respected.

Well said that man but I fear no one will listen!