Huge proportion of schools to close due to strikes (From Daily Echo)

Lone Ranger. wrote:
This is disgusting.
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Parents may have to look after their own kids for a whole day.
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BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
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Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
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If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
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Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
*
Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
*
If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
*
Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year.

Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
*
Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
*
If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
*
Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year.

Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

They're not the salaries of ordinary teachers, social workers and early years staff are they. If you're quoting earnings, I should try looking at the cash cows half the Tory party have coming in, more than half probably.... starting with George Osborn who has no idea and some of the fat cat bankers and public servants
e.g. HMRC boss Dave Hartnett, Britain’s top taxman, and Deloitte’s top
tax-dodging guru, David Cruickshank.

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
*
Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
*
If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
*
Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

Thank goodness for Google.
.
Where would you be without it ??

tootle wrote:
Since when were teachers working class?.


Now some teachers are worth their weight in gold, some do their jobs and some are useless. Maybe instead of saving money cutting pensions we should be looking at employing really good teachers, with higher salaries and pensions, teaching larger classes with less red tape and paperwork, giving pupils the equipment and tools they need, giving them an education suited to their needs and not one size you're all going to to Uni fits all, and to pay for it ditch most of the LEA burocracy(sorry mind gone blank), ditch the early retirement fiasco, stop buiding shiny new schools with shiny new furniture, stop paying HTs massive amounts of money to run schools when a reasonable manager would do it for less and we should be able to afford those teachers.

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote: I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking. I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight. I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

Thank goodness for Google.
.
Where would you be without it ??

cathyhawks wrote:
well i support the teachers to some extent,but i work as a school escort and i wont be going to work thursday( not my choice) so i will be losing money.not too happy.can anyone tell me are they getting paid for that day?

madeupusername wrote:

cathyhawks wrote:
well i support the teachers to some extent,but i work as a school escort and i wont be going to work thursday( not my choice) so i will be losing money.not too happy.can anyone tell me are they getting paid for that day?

If you strike, you do not get paid. If you are not striking, you should be paid as normal, even if a school were to be closed to children. If you make yourself available to work, you are entitled to be paid.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote: I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking. I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight. I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead! It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we? oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

Thank goodness for Google.
.
Where would you be without it ??

Silent ! ;)

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
*
Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
*
If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
*
Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year.

Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
*
Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
*
If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
*
Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year.

Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems.
It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

_Dizzy_ wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote:
I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking.

I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight.

I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

Just because you don't agree it doesn't mean you have the right to call someone brain dead!

It was an excellent, well thought out post with some observations about his and the last government and these staff who keep having their goalposts moved. If we don't invest in educating our children, where do we?

oh yes, of course let's invest in bailing out Ireland, wars that we do not need (Iraq or Afghan) mollycoddling greedy bankers and wiping out tax bills..... hmmmmm

Chris Keates - NASUWT - £119K a year. £25K is 'benefits'.

You realise that NASUWT are a non-striking union and their staff will be in schools regardless of what the other unions do?

madeupusername wrote:

MGRA wrote:

madeupusername wrote: I think the teachers are right to strike. Do we want demoralised 68 year olds teaching our children? No - we want intelligent, well motivated professionals. If I remember rightly, the teachers had to renegotiate their pensions a couple of years ago, and they lost a lot of their benefits. Now the government has changed all the rules in ridiculous ways, meaning that they lose a lot more of their benefits and will have to work until they're 68. No wonder they're striking. I'm amazed at all the radical changes the government is making on all sorts of issues - seemingly on the whims of ministers. Nobody wants a bloated, inefficient public sector, but attacking teachers' pay and conditions is not the way to start reform. Their pension contributions do not go to their own pensions - they go into government coffers. The government is using their pensions as a bank account - to be raided when times are tight. I know that employment in the private sector is not very secure at the moment. Don't be fooled. There are a lot of people making a lot of money at the moment - but that money doesn't filter down to most of us. Don't buy into the idea that public sector workers are all idle and greedy. In my experience they are not.

you are ignorant to the point of hilarity. The "whim" you talk about was an independant recommendation buy a LABOUR member on how to adjust the pension system for our now bancrupt country. You and your brain-dead kind just do not understand that we have lived as a country for decades way beyond our means and the last 13 years was just an accelleration into 3rd world status. Thats where we are heading if we dont balance the books and quickly. Money does not grow on trees. Greedy and lazy public sector workers have drained this country dry. Well the party is over. There is virtually no support for these strikes in the private sector since we are tired of paying for these parasites to live better than most do.

What a wonderful reply, MGRA. You really have lapped up the government's argument and expressed it very urgently. You don't by any chance read the Daily Mail do you?

vesuvius wrote:
People don't realise that as well as a much reduced pension and higher retirement age (both of which most teachers I know reluctantly agree with),we are also being forced to pay up to £100 a month towards it! I myself will be £86 a month worse off - and my wife (also a teacher) £81ppm worse off.
That's an effective pay cut of £167 a month for us (it won't be called a pay cut though - it'll be pension contributions!).
That is the reason for the unrest in the profession - at a time when we can afford millions a month in Libya, billions to bail-out basket case economies elsewhere in Europe etc. etc.

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers.
The figures were released by the TPA.
I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures.
There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants?
If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money.
'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'.
Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

The TPA are not Torys I know, they are basiclly UKIP supporters. And have an agenda of there own, even lo some of there work is good, but they mix up what public and private, when it comes to pay.
What you don't realise, and what the TPA will not say in the matter with Unions, who controls the Union paid members wages, and that is down to the none paid Union members, if the sub paying members don't think they earn or are worth the wages, they will drop there wages down (some thing you will not find in a private company). The wages paid to full time paid Unions is to cover the cost of every thing, Hotels/B&B, travaling, entrance fees to meetings ect ect ect. (Again unlike the bosses they just put in for claims on costs against the firm account) The Union paid members also do not do any Tax Advoiding or Evading they even keep there money in English banks and pay Tax on any Interests that might be made.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote: Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have. * Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities. * If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then? * Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year. Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems. It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers. The figures were released by the TPA. I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures. There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants? If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money. 'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'. Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

SotonNorth wrote:
Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by.

At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

rafa b wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote: Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have. * Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities. * If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then? * Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year. Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems. It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers. The figures were released by the TPA. I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures. There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants? If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money. 'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'. Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

You are reading the daily mail too much. Firstly Bob crow does not spend members money, on swanky restaurants, he was actually having his 50th party at a restaurant, and I was not aware that there was a law, saying working people cant save and enjoy nites out or eat at the nice places. Having worked in public sector for many years, i can well remember those in the private sector sneering and looking down on public sector workers, now the bubble has burst in the private sector, we are being made scapegoats. The cabinet is full of multi millionaires who couldnt give a monkeys for bout the working people (private and Public). I will be supporting the teachers who take action and others, we didnt make the mess!! My children will be kept away from school, as its scandal that schools want to bring in any tom, dick and harry to teach, to break a strike. these are professional hard working people and clearly like me have had enough of this vile government, who want to make everyone work longer, less money and conditions, and indeed turn the clock back, to the old victorian days, where working people were treated with distain, and no rights.We are not in this all together, dont be fooled.

Shoong wrote:

rafa b wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote: Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have. * Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities. * If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then? * Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year. Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems. It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers. The figures were released by the TPA. I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures. There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants? If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money. 'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'. Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

You are reading the daily mail too much. Firstly Bob crow does not spend members money, on swanky restaurants, he was actually having his 50th party at a restaurant, and I was not aware that there was a law, saying working people cant save and enjoy nites out or eat at the nice places. Having worked in public sector for many years, i can well remember those in the private sector sneering and looking down on public sector workers, now the bubble has burst in the private sector, we are being made scapegoats. The cabinet is full of multi millionaires who couldnt give a monkeys for bout the working people (private and Public). I will be supporting the teachers who take action and others, we didnt make the mess!! My children will be kept away from school, as its scandal that schools want to bring in any tom, dick and harry to teach, to break a strike. these are professional hard working people and clearly like me have had enough of this vile government, who want to make everyone work longer, less money and conditions, and indeed turn the clock back, to the old victorian days, where working people were treated with distain, and no rights.We are not in this all together, dont be fooled.

I said I didn't read newspapers.

Bob Crow - working class. Your having a giraffe.

My utter disdain is for the Thirty-eight trade union general secretaries and chief executives who spend their days lecturing about inequality and exploitation but received remuneration of more than £100,000 last year.

Another mug.

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote: Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by. At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

rafa b wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote: Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by. At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

You could always teach on thursday and strike break? Maybe "Right Wing Economics Part 1" could be your topic, followed by reading out loud copies of the Daily Mail. My wife is a teacher, she is neither gready,privileged nor a parasite, and has not taken the decison to strike lightly, but enough is enough. The priveleged eton educated are condem millionaires who wouldnt no about struggle and hard life.

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu


nion.org/member_serv


ices/esher_place.asp


x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

rafa b wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote: Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have. * Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities. * If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then? * Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year. Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems. It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers. The figures were released by the TPA. I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures. There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants? If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money. 'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'. Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

You are reading the daily mail too much. Firstly Bob crow does not spend members money, on swanky restaurants, he was actually having his 50th party at a restaurant, and I was not aware that there was a law, saying working people cant save and enjoy nites out or eat at the nice places. Having worked in public sector for many years, i can well remember those in the private sector sneering and looking down on public sector workers, now the bubble has burst in the private sector, we are being made scapegoats. The cabinet is full of multi millionaires who couldnt give a monkeys for bout the working people (private and Public). I will be supporting the teachers who take action and others, we didnt make the mess!! My children will be kept away from school, as its scandal that schools want to bring in any tom, dick and harry to teach, to break a strike. these are professional hard working people and clearly like me have had enough of this vile government, who want to make everyone work longer, less money and conditions, and indeed turn the clock back, to the old victorian days, where working people were treated with distain, and no rights.We are not in this all together, dont be fooled.

I said I didn't read newspapers. Bob Crow - working class. Your having a giraffe. My utter disdain is for the Thirty-eight trade union general secretaries and chief executives who spend their days lecturing about inequality and exploitation but received remuneration of more than £100,000 last year. Another mug.

I love the Bob Crow myth. Just because he speak like a camden town balloon seller, people think he is "of the people".... gullible, stupid union members think he is "one of them". Its hilarious. He is a parasite. Also, ask anyone who used to work for Union Castle or Cunard in the 60s about "Lord Prescott" Ask them what they think of him now... The man who singlehandedly destroyed 20,000 seafaring british jobs, now basks in luxury as a peer....

rafa b wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote: Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by. At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

You could always teach on thursday and strike break? Maybe "Right Wing Economics Part 1" could be your topic, followed by reading out loud copies of the Daily Mail. My wife is a teacher, she is neither gready,privileged nor a parasite, and has not taken the decison to strike lightly, but enough is enough. The priveleged eton educated are condem millionaires who wouldnt no about struggle and hard life.

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu



nion.org/member_serv



ices/esher_place.asp



x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

agreed you are an utter moron for failing to see the point of the post. Teachers want maximum impact from their strike. But have they thought through how they would deal with the worst if it happened. The teacher I spoke about could not live with it, even though it was ( as you say ) not her fault. But it does not erase it, it happened and its a possibility and how many teachers have thought about this !? Its not like the weather shutting a school. When that happened kids sadly died on sledges. It happens sadly. But if you are a primary school teacher you are exposed to this risk and my point is , how many have thought this through ? Two teachers I spoke to at the weekend said this particular story was the reason they were not striking, it the reason I know about it. They said that its obviously different for secondary schools, but for a primary school where some parents will just leave the kids to their own devices, the worry will be there. Just because the reality is not nice , does not mean you can do hear no speak no see no, it won't go away.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu




nion.org/member_serv




ices/esher_place.asp




x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

MGRA wrote:

rafa b wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote: Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by. At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

You could always teach on thursday and strike break? Maybe "Right Wing Economics Part 1" could be your topic, followed by reading out loud copies of the Daily Mail. My wife is a teacher, she is neither gready,privileged nor a parasite, and has not taken the decison to strike lightly, but enough is enough. The priveleged eton educated are condem millionaires who wouldnt no about struggle and hard life.

you are a gullible digester of propoganda... you wife is amongst a derelict profession where rubbish teachers are protected and not sacked, and regardless of how fab or rubbish she is , there is no differentiation and the lovely big pension comes no matter what. Teachers always play the "victim" card and whinge about their existance as if they were forced into the profession at gun point. There is nothing "special" about the job they do. In fact London professionals strive and make sacrifices to do all they can to keep their kids out of the state system. State education represents very poor value for money for most in this country and should be gradually dismantled. teachers in the future will be hired and fired like the real world and although education would be more expensive than tax funded, the huge gap between excelland and failing schools would close. One last thing, you won't like this. I have heard many teachers whinging about going on strike and how "hard it was" to make the decision etc etc..... if ever the "victim mentality" was there to be illustrated, then that does it for me.

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

agreed you are an utter moron for failing to see the point of the post. Teachers want maximum impact from their strike. But have they thought through how they would deal with the worst if it happened. The teacher I spoke about could not live with it, even though it was ( as you say ) not her fault. But it does not erase it, it happened and its a possibility and how many teachers have thought about this !? Its not like the weather shutting a school. When that happened kids sadly died on sledges. It happens sadly. But if you are a primary school teacher you are exposed to this risk and my point is , how many have thought this through ? Two teachers I spoke to at the weekend said this particular story was the reason they were not striking, it the reason I know about it. They said that its obviously different for secondary schools, but for a primary school where some parents will just leave the kids to their own devices, the worry will be there. Just because the reality is not nice , does not mean you can do hear no speak no see no, it won't go away.

But still, what difference does it make if they are on strike, half term or inset day. None.

rafa b wrote:

MGRA wrote:

rafa b wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote: Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by. At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

You could always teach on thursday and strike break? Maybe "Right Wing Economics Part 1" could be your topic, followed by reading out loud copies of the Daily Mail. My wife is a teacher, she is neither gready,privileged nor a parasite, and has not taken the decison to strike lightly, but enough is enough. The priveleged eton educated are condem millionaires who wouldnt no about struggle and hard life.

you are a gullible digester of propoganda... you wife is amongst a derelict profession where rubbish teachers are protected and not sacked, and regardless of how fab or rubbish she is , there is no differentiation and the lovely big pension comes no matter what. Teachers always play the "victim" card and whinge about their existance as if they were forced into the profession at gun point. There is nothing "special" about the job they do. In fact London professionals strive and make sacrifices to do all they can to keep their kids out of the state system. State education represents very poor value for money for most in this country and should be gradually dismantled. teachers in the future will be hired and fired like the real world and although education would be more expensive than tax funded, the huge gap between excelland and failing schools would close. One last thing, you won't like this. I have heard many teachers whinging about going on strike and how "hard it was" to make the decision etc etc..... if ever the "victim mentality" was there to be illustrated, then that does it for me.

You got a great sense of humour, though lacking any real sense of the real world. Big Pension..???. Do you know the facts and figures, cos big it aint. Indeed have you ever visited planet earth, and I dont mean the playing fields of Eton where clearly you come from. Your staff and work colleagues must love your compassion and caring approach for fellow mankind. You gotta be on here for wind up, you say you dont read daily mail, go on admit you do

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

agreed you are an utter moron for failing to see the point of the post. Teachers want maximum impact from their strike. But have they thought through how they would deal with the worst if it happened. The teacher I spoke about could not live with it, even though it was ( as you say ) not her fault. But it does not erase it, it happened and its a possibility and how many teachers have thought about this !? Its not like the weather shutting a school. When that happened kids sadly died on sledges. It happens sadly. But if you are a primary school teacher you are exposed to this risk and my point is , how many have thought this through ? Two teachers I spoke to at the weekend said this particular story was the reason they were not striking, it the reason I know about it. They said that its obviously different for secondary schools, but for a primary school where some parents will just leave the kids to their own devices, the worry will be there. Just because the reality is not nice , does not mean you can do hear no speak no see no, it won't go away.

But still, what difference does it make if they are on strike, half term or inset day. None.

you are in a mental straight-jacket. you can not see the human story here. Its people like you who are fodder for the union reps.... experts at getting people to stick their head in the sand. If you really can't see the difference and why that teacher was devastated then it does explain a lot.

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu





nion.org/member_serv





ices/esher_place.asp





x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

have you seen the expenses they claim for ? ( thought not ). Also , you miss the point, the fact that the members are stupid enough to "OK" gold-plated salaries for these Uber-parasites does not alter the fact that they are hypocytical and self-indulgant.

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

agreed you are an utter moron for failing to see the point of the post. Teachers want maximum impact from their strike. But have they thought through how they would deal with the worst if it happened. The teacher I spoke about could not live with it, even though it was ( as you say ) not her fault. But it does not erase it, it happened and its a possibility and how many teachers have thought about this !? Its not like the weather shutting a school. When that happened kids sadly died on sledges. It happens sadly. But if you are a primary school teacher you are exposed to this risk and my point is , how many have thought this through ? Two teachers I spoke to at the weekend said this particular story was the reason they were not striking, it the reason I know about it. They said that its obviously different for secondary schools, but for a primary school where some parents will just leave the kids to their own devices, the worry will be there. Just because the reality is not nice , does not mean you can do hear no speak no see no, it won't go away.

But still, what difference does it make if they are on strike, half term or inset day. None.

you are in a mental straight-jacket. you can not see the human story here. Its people like you who are fodder for the union reps.... experts at getting people to stick their head in the sand. If you really can't see the difference and why that teacher was devastated then it does explain a lot.

Probably.

But what part of sh*t happens, and again I'll stress, it doesn't matter if they are on strike, half term, or inset day, a child can and will be hit by a car or a bus and die.

What has **possibly** occurred in your little story is guilt tripping in a "just because" situation, probably pressured on them by their employers because they were on strike, which is a bullying tactic, and it worked.

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu






nion.org/member_serv






ices/esher_place.asp






x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

have you seen the expenses they claim for ? ( thought not ). Also , you miss the point, the fact that the members are stupid enough to "OK" gold-plated salaries for these Uber-parasites does not alter the fact that they are hypocytical and self-indulgant.

You still have no clue, Union Paid Members Do Not Claim Expenses, but they must prove what there wages is being spent on, so they must collett receipts on any Union Business, every thing is paid out from there wages.

And again what a Union leader wages are is just a smoke screen to draw your Attention away from the real issues, and it looks like you have been fooled in thinking that way.

Shoong wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote:
Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have.
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Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities.
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If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then?
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Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year.

Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

They're not the salaries of ordinary teachers, social workers and early years staff are they. If you're quoting earnings, I should try looking at the cash cows half the Tory party have coming in, more than half probably.... starting with George Osborn who has no idea and some of the fat cat bankers and public servants
e.g. HMRC boss Dave Hartnett, Britain’s top taxman, and Deloitte’s top
tax-dodging guru, David Cruickshank.

Suggest you look up on You Tube:

Pay Check: What is UNISON's Dave Prentis on?

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

MGRA wrote:
A few years back a primary school teacher resigned as a teacher. months earlier she went on strike. A child in her class was involved in a road traffic accident and was killed when he should have been in school ordinarily. She never got over it. I sincerely hope this is not repeated on thursday.

Sad, but a bit fillpin' irrelevant really.
Don't go for low blows.

how much more relevant can you get !? A child dies indirectly as a result of industrial action. The teacher had to live with the reality "If I hadn't been on strike, he would still be alive"..... or is it that you prefer not to think of the Health and Safety of children !? Its funny, schools ram H&S down parents throats all the time.... My point is actually a very good one, of course it won't be the teachers fault. But its not that easy if you are the one who has to stare at the empty chair the day after.... And even though I dont read national newspapers, you can gaurantee one thing, god forbid if it does happen, then they will milk it. And there is no Union in the world that can deal with the devastion the teacher will feel.

Utter moron. That child could have died any time. Could have been an inset day, or half term.

That is such a far fetched and sour accusation to be making, and as Shoong (for once I actually agree with, love you really) is totally irrelevant.

Are you just trolling for your own pleasures because you have nothing better to do than upset just about everyone?

agreed you are an utter moron for failing to see the point of the post. Teachers want maximum impact from their strike. But have they thought through how they would deal with the worst if it happened. The teacher I spoke about could not live with it, even though it was ( as you say ) not her fault. But it does not erase it, it happened and its a possibility and how many teachers have thought about this !? Its not like the weather shutting a school. When that happened kids sadly died on sledges. It happens sadly. But if you are a primary school teacher you are exposed to this risk and my point is , how many have thought this through ? Two teachers I spoke to at the weekend said this particular story was the reason they were not striking, it the reason I know about it. They said that its obviously different for secondary schools, but for a primary school where some parents will just leave the kids to their own devices, the worry will be there. Just because the reality is not nice , does not mean you can do hear no speak no see no, it won't go away.

But still, what difference does it make if they are on strike, half term or inset day. None.

you are in a mental straight-jacket. you can not see the human story here. Its people like you who are fodder for the union reps.... experts at getting people to stick their head in the sand. If you really can't see the difference and why that teacher was devastated then it does explain a lot.

Probably.

But what part of sh*t happens, and again I'll stress, it doesn't matter if they are on strike, half term, or inset day, a child can and will be hit by a car or a bus and die.

What has **possibly** occurred in your little story is guilt tripping in a "just because" situation, probably pressured on them by their employers because they were on strike, which is a bullying tactic, and it worked.

what you stress does not matter. You have not the faculties in place to put yourself in the shoes of a primary school teacher if that did happen. You are not equipped for instance to appreciate the difference between a whole school being shut, and a primary school partly open with a teacher on strike when other are not.... Your abilities limit you and you can't understand someone like me who is expressing a simple scenario played out in historic fact. You can't understand that the guilt felt was not necessarily logical but nonetheless was there and appeared real. Your imagined scenario at the end of your post is a consequence of you not grasping others free thought and ability to analyse risk and potential scenarios. you are clearly challenged by this simple concept.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu




nion.org/member_serv




ices/esher_place.asp




x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu







nion.org/member_serv







ices/esher_place.asp







x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

have you seen the expenses they claim for ? ( thought not ). Also , you miss the point, the fact that the members are stupid enough to "OK" gold-plated salaries for these Uber-parasites does not alter the fact that they are hypocytical and self-indulgant.

You still have no clue, Union Paid Members Do Not Claim Expenses, but they must prove what there wages is being spent on, so they must collett receipts on any Union Business, every thing is paid out from there wages.

And again what a Union leader wages are is just a smoke screen to draw your Attention away from the real issues, and it looks like you have been fooled in thinking that way.

"As of 2009, Bob Crow's basic salary at RMT was £94,747; a 12% increase from the previous year. His entire pay package with bonuses and pensions was £254,978; on top of this he claimed £9,989 in expenses and £2,376 in travel costs, taking his total income to £145,548."

which chimp at the type-writer was responsible for your last post southy ?

rightway wrote:
Unions are only as good as their members. Most of the NIMBY’s on here like to whinge on about how others are wrong and how they are right, if you lot were to feel as strongly for the plight of others who are only trying to stand up for themselves and their livelihood, then these strikes would never be necessary.
JOIN A UNION
SUPPORT THE WORKERS

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong, Winchester said
Please explain where you get the UKIP link from. Is this going to be the new card played when backed into a corner rather than the class card?
Hotels & b&bs.
You mean like this place?
http://www.unitetheu





nion.org/member_serv





ices/esher_place.asp





x
What kind of Union activist gets to stay here then?

Do you under stand what this place is about, apart from it replace the one located at Eastbourn, and when you go to those places if your a paid Union member then you have to pay for it in full, none paying Union members get a discount that is paid by the Unions.
Again it do not come out off Tax payers money, but is paid by the Union member them selfs or part comes out of Union Funds.
So you keep going on about Union Wages ect, all you doing is setting up a smoke screen to divert attention away from the real problems, after all do you see cuts in paid Union members wages or changes to there working conditions ect, no you don't, and thats because they can run a business the right way.
Has for TPA try and do some cross-reffrence, and you see a few of them stood in the local election has candidates on the UKIP mandate.

It really depends on what you define as a 'smokescreen'. These are actual figures. They are not made up.

What's the matter? It sounds like you don't want people to hear about Union fat cats wages & benefits. That's a smokescreen.

As for the UKIP link, they may well have done, I have only read the facts of today's press release.

UKIP are bonkers, but no more bonkers than backward Socialism (or in your case Communism).

They just figures that have no real meaning because the TPA do not know how there wages are made up to give that total figure, and they do not say who decides what there wages are and should be, Union money Do Not Come Out of Tax Payers Tax, The rely on Subs that is given by its Rank And File who also say what there wages will be, and because of this it has no real concern to the TPA or any public Tax payer, the only people who it should concern is the rank and file of the Uuion, and they are not bothered by what the TPA is saying, because the rank and file Union members Decided them selfs what there Union Leaders pay should be. There are NO SELF AWARDED PAY INCREASES IN THE UNION, it go's to a vote, unlike you find in the private sector with the bosses.
Each Union member knows how much any paid Union members gets, because they voted on it, and are reminded in each Quartly News Letter, and if any none member to a Union wishes to find out, then all they need to do is call in at any Union Office and they be more than willing to tell you, they do not hide the fact, it open to public knowledge.

And the reason you reading it in the TPA press releases today is because they are trying to draw your attention away from the real cause of the problems, and just a smoke screen.

And I see you still can not tell the difference.

'No real meaning'

Meaning - I won't accept it, I don't accept it. I can't accept it.

Even in front of your eyes.

The figures show Union bosses are parasites who have long forgotten the core values of the Unions they are supposed to represent.

Derek Simpson Unite £186,626
Tony Woodley Unite £122,108

Tony Who?! Why does Unite have to have 'joint secretaries'? It's fairly obvious why. They like money.

Do the ground troops of Unite really know what these leeches are paid?

I have an awful feeling they blindly trust them so don't.

They will lead Unite into oblivion while coming away with fat bank accounts.

While the members that trusted them end up on the scrap heap.

Roger Khan wrote:

rightway wrote: Unions are only as good as their members. Most of the NIMBY’s on here like to whinge on about how others are wrong and how they are right, if you lot were to feel as strongly for the plight of others who are only trying to stand up for themselves and their livelihood, then these strikes would never be necessary. JOIN A UNION SUPPORT THE WORKERS

Thats why Unions are the pits

rightway wrote:

Roger Khan wrote:

rightway wrote: Unions are only as good as their members. Most of the NIMBY’s on here like to whinge on about how others are wrong and how they are right, if you lot were to feel as strongly for the plight of others who are only trying to stand up for themselves and their livelihood, then these strikes would never be necessary. JOIN A UNION SUPPORT THE WORKERS

Thats why Unions are the pits

The Pits, thats somethng else Maggie and her cohorts ruined.

A-concerned-Mum wrote:
Just to clarify something from way up there ^^^ teachers do not get 13 weeks holiday a year and they do not work from 9 till 3! Apologies if anyone who has already pointed this out. I am married to a secondary school teacher. He works from 7am until 4pm mon - fri during term times. Every evening he does planning which takes at least 2 hours. He gets 2 weeks holiday at Christmas and 2 weeks in the summer. The rest of the time is spent doing academic planning and other management. Teachers do not earn a great deal for what they do and many work past retirement. They are not free to swan off on holiday during term time or take the odd day off. They are only allowed 10 days sick a year... That's calendar year not academic year. Any other time off is not paid. Teachers also have pay deducted for striking. Teachers also get assaulted by pupils and parents alike and are not allowed to defend themselves. I don't blame them for striking!! Hubby isn't striking as it would affect pupils exams.

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote:
Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by.

At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

dango wrote:
Go ahead, strike, have a General strike if you wish. I will care not one jot. You will NOT upset my life or how I live. I say to all those who oppose this kind of manipulation by the unions, get together, meet your neighbours, see if those who feel the same way can help you, and in return help them. We WILL stll clean our rubbish away, we WILL go to work, knowing our children are looked after, we will NOT be bullied by you anymore. The whole country has to cut it's cloth, argueing for conditions that the private workers can only dream of is practically an insult to those who don't have the perks you have. The union leaders have only their own interests at heart. They are dinosaurs and should be left where they belong, in the past.

TheJeepster wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote:
Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by.

At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

Who bailed out who?

If market forces had been left to prevail as they should have been, the bankers you so revere would be out of a job right now.

You really are showing your true colours on this one are you not?

Perhaps you feel you have to up the ante now that intelligent people are striking too!

Not that the dustmen are unintelligent, in fact some of them could run rings around you but obviously you feel that picking on them was easier and now....Teachers..str

aight in with the jackboot.

Still, we know what happened to the last lot that tried that!

I know what you are MGRA and you are not nearly as clever as you imagine, revealing your hand so early.

Your'e a JOKE!

MGRA wrote:

TheJeepster wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SotonNorth wrote:
Britain and other countries in the developed world are facing a huge problem that is only set to get worse. People are living longer, and a higher proportion of the population is becoming over 60. It is simply impossible for our country to survive without these tough changes. It is unsustainable for such a huge proportion of the population to be retired, and that is why the retirement age must rise. To be honest, raising the retirement age to 66 by the end of the decade does not go far enough. And anyway, older people often use the saying "don't the years fly by", so working for an extra couple of years should be no problem if they fly by.

At the end of the day, what sort of government would risk their popularity by introducing such changes if they weren't necessary? Some people seem to think all this belt tightening is competely unnecessary and have their heads buried in the sand. We're in a financial mess that will only get worse unless we get a grip of our finances. And let's not forget, it is only the post-WW2 generation that have been brought up in a country with such good disposable income to spend on life's luxuries. We've become used to the good times of high disposable income, and heaven forbid that we can no longer afford our annual holiday abroad or Sky Plus subscription!

SPOT ON ! these lemming teachers don't realise that this is the thin end of the wedge, it will get worse and they will have to get used to it. Anyone who thinks a bunch of greedy, priviledged parasites are going to blackmail the government who are trying to save our way of life, they are wrong. The amount of ignorance about basic economics in this country is astonishing. For instance these stupid teachers are shouting "kick the bankers out" , yeh right, those bankers who bring in 25% OF ALL TAX REVENUES TO THE UK !!!??? yeh great idea, then you would be working until you are 70 and paying 60% income tax.... stupid people, and the scary part : THEY ARE TEACHING KIDS !!!

Who bailed out who?

If market forces had been left to prevail as they should have been, the bankers you so revere would be out of a job right now.

You really are showing your true colours on this one are you not?

Perhaps you feel you have to up the ante now that intelligent people are striking too!

Not that the dustmen are unintelligent, in fact some of them could run rings around you but obviously you feel that picking on them was easier and now....Teachers..str


aight in with the jackboot.

Still, we know what happened to the last lot that tried that!

I know what you are MGRA and you are not nearly as clever as you imagine, revealing your hand so early.

Your'e a JOKE!

you are way out of your depth. market forces would have wiped out half the banks... the other half would have quickly come in to fill the gap... the small problem inbetween would have been the timescale. Failed banks on that scale would have been the end of our whole way of life. If our country had to revert to its actual asset worth and default on all sovereign debt, you would now be enjoying the standard of living on par with senegal. So the banks were propped up not to "pervert market forces" but to preserve your cozy existence. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a waste of oxygen. And your don't know "what I am", because that would surprise you. You are just annoyed because you don't understand the basics of what I am talking about,,, for instance ,,, what do you think will happen to this country if our rating falls ? how will this effect yeilds ?? these are KEY issues yet you don't know what I am talking about... issues that underpin you cozy existance of supermarkets and cheap jeans.... but you have not got the faintest idea. And even if you frantically google or wiki, it won't help because you won't understand what it all means. you are adrift in this topic, try comics.

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

MGRA wrote:

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

loads of people get narky on this thread out of frustration. They have researched about 2% of what they needed to fully understand the state of the country so are simply out of their depth on any debate which interweaves various strands....

MGRA wrote:
southy... put your editing skills where your mouth is !! go ahead and edit wikipedia if you think its a lie !! lets see you change the FACTS !!!! LOL you are either a liar or a clown.

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

TheJeepster wrote:

MGRA wrote:

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

loads of people get narky on this thread out of frustration. They have researched about 2% of what they needed to fully understand the state of the country so are simply out of their depth on any debate which interweaves various strands....

Yep..and I guess people like you who appear to know it all have all the answers?

You know..like all those who knew exactly how to manipulate the markets until the system ran out of money and the means to earn enough to support their manipulations!

You are as out of your depth as anyone else and all you are doing is quoting old hat that is not relevant now the bubble has burst.

These are new unprecedented times and in case it has escaped your notice there are businesses that have been trading for nigh on a hundred years going down the pan, businesses that previously survived two world wars a depression and several recessions are not surviving this.

Please explain this Mr. Know All because us poor ignorant types just don't understand it!

You can't because you don't know.

Still laughing at you!

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

Theres 4 teachers Unions and yes the NUT has been around for about that long, but that was not the one I was talking about, this Union has Teachers in Private Schools and has never taken any industral action at all not even work to rule, Its one of your right wing Unions. And for this lot to come out on strike is saying some thing.
There be a General Election before the end of next year, The Government has back the wrong horse in Southampton city Council, thinking in win here before Thursday would be a win for the Capitalist and a collapse in the national strike in the public service sector strike on Thursday, thats why Pickles has been told to get involved.
Come Oct/Nov if the General Strike gets the go ahead, it will finish off this Government, if the Government has not all ready resigned and gone to the nation.

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

so what is your solution. How would you preserve our international credit rating ? where would you find the money to pay the public sector ?
please tell us ! btw you got the wrong union, the NUT is militant and constantly trying to find excuses to strike, its the other union that has never been on strike.

TheJeepster wrote:

MGRA wrote:

dango wrote:
Ant Smoking MP; I will google it once have I have Googled the word 'Goole', but first I have to figure out the meaning of D*cke*d. I think you have omitted either an apostrophe or the letter 'H' in your response. Please feel free to get annoyed and call me a di*khe*d upon reading this, you tw*t.

loads of people get narky on this thread out of frustration. They have researched about 2% of what they needed to fully understand the state of the country so are simply out of their depth on any debate which interweaves various strands....

Yep..and I guess people like you who appear to know it all have all the answers?

You know..like all those who knew exactly how to manipulate the markets until the system ran out of money and the means to earn enough to support their manipulations!

You are as out of your depth as anyone else and all you are doing is quoting old hat that is not relevant now the bubble has burst.

These are new unprecedented times and in case it has escaped your notice there are businesses that have been trading for nigh on a hundred years going down the pan, businesses that previously survived two world wars a depression and several recessions are not surviving this.

Please explain this Mr. Know All because us poor ignorant types just don't understand it!

You can't because you don't know.

Still laughing at you!

My View From Here wrote:

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

so what is your solution. How would you preserve our international credit rating ? where would you find the money to pay the public sector ?
please tell us ! btw you got the wrong union, the NUT is militant and constantly trying to find excuses to strike, its the other union that has never been on strike.

Apologies it was the ATL union.

The problem would be solved by paying the debt back at a slower rate, yes it will take longer, yes it will cost more, but it will not cause the distress it is now it would be managed.

Increase the basic rate of income by 1p in the pound.

Stop bombing Libya, added to bringing forward of the tactical withdraw from Afghanistan, ensuring forces safety, the job there will not be completed so let he Yanks finish it.

We really need to stop blaming the public sector, these people did not create the mess an international banking crisis did, the finger of blame should put fairly and squarely at the door of greedy bankers.

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

Theres 4 teachers Unions and yes the NUT has been around for about that long, but that was not the one I was talking about, this Union has Teachers in Private Schools and has never taken any industral action at all not even work to rule, Its one of your right wing Unions. And for this lot to come out on strike is saying some thing.
There be a General Election before the end of next year, The Government has back the wrong horse in Southampton city Council, thinking in win here before Thursday would be a win for the Capitalist and a collapse in the national strike in the public service sector strike on Thursday, thats why Pickles has been told to get involved.
Come Oct/Nov if the General Strike gets the go ahead, it will finish off this Government, if the Government has not all ready resigned and gone to the nation.

you assume that 25% turn-outs for ballots will be allowed to keep on going. this is where your drunken/challenged slant on things goes wrong. It won't. Keep up slow coach !

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

Theres 4 teachers Unions and yes the NUT has been around for about that long, but that was not the one I was talking about, this Union has Teachers in Private Schools and has never taken any industral action at all not even work to rule, Its one of your right wing Unions. And for this lot to come out on strike is saying some thing.
There be a General Election before the end of next year, The Government has back the wrong horse in Southampton city Council, thinking in win here before Thursday would be a win for the Capitalist and a collapse in the national strike in the public service sector strike on Thursday, thats why Pickles has been told to get involved.
Come Oct/Nov if the General Strike gets the go ahead, it will finish off this Government, if the Government has not all ready resigned and gone to the nation.

you assume that 25% turn-outs for ballots will be allowed to keep on going. this is where your drunken/challenged slant on things goes wrong. It won't. Keep up slow coach !

Total turnout in SCC Harefield council elections was between 30 and 35% in the last ten years. What kind of mandate is that? Yet Royston is bringing misery to the whole City.
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I would think of another argument if I was you.

TheJeepster wrote:
If you understand why are you in such denial.

You must know that no matter who strikes and what cuts are made it's all over for this economic cycle?

My gripe is with the attacks we make on each other when now, of all times, is exactly when we should be standing together.

However, if you continue to attack...I will attack back and as you appear to represent what most imagine to be those who are truly to blame for where we are...you cannot win!

I have said much the same as you have on many occasions but you really go at peoples throats and then temper it down later...when you might be able to actually help by trying to educate with a bit of humanity and just a little humility.

After all, ordinary people, who you say did not and do not understand, can hardly be asked to understand now when asked to pay such a high price whilst others who are more culpable in creating all this mess are still coining it in.

As for the government, they do have a choice because the fact is...we are seeing the disastrous results of starving the economy of cash already and the cost of trimming public services
has yet to be accounted for.

The unemployed cost as much as the employed if not more because they do not produce and do not contribute.

The cost of this will not be seen until next year and then lets see what happens to our Credit Worthiness.

As I see it...

Inflation, especially food and fuel costs has to be controlled with legislation and in fact driven down, wages stabilised and jobs actually created that pay enough to stand alone without people having to claim benefits.

The government, all governments globally, will have to do this eventually anyway so why not make a start now?

Firstly rein in the energy and utilities with legislation to control their pricing.

Nationalise any business that still relies on Government subsidies and get them working for all of us on a fair and affordable level. This will actually prove cheaper and create jobs where they are needed.

Better to spend and give people work than spend and watch private companies fritter away subsidies to benefit a few whilst our services are no better but considerably worse and more expensive.

Set up a National Bank from those we already own to help those businesses that still survive until a more stable market place develops based on people spending what they have earned after they have paid taxes on what they earn instead of the perverse system now, where tax credits are paid to falsely keep afloat an economy that has become too expensive to live within if you happen to earn average or low pay!

I know you won't like much of what I suggest...but where will the alternatives lead?

As we are already on the way, I think you know the answer to that one.

MGRA wrote:

TheJeepster wrote:
If you understand why are you in such denial.

You must know that no matter who strikes and what cuts are made it's all over for this economic cycle?

My gripe is with the attacks we make on each other when now, of all times, is exactly when we should be standing together.

However, if you continue to attack...I will attack back and as you appear to represent what most imagine to be those who are truly to blame for where we are...you cannot win!

I have said much the same as you have on many occasions but you really go at peoples throats and then temper it down later...when you might be able to actually help by trying to educate with a bit of humanity and just a little humility.

After all, ordinary people, who you say did not and do not understand, can hardly be asked to understand now when asked to pay such a high price whilst others who are more culpable in creating all this mess are still coining it in.

As for the government, they do have a choice because the fact is...we are seeing the disastrous results of starving the economy of cash already and the cost of trimming public services
has yet to be accounted for.

The unemployed cost as much as the employed if not more because they do not produce and do not contribute.

The cost of this will not be seen until next year and then lets see what happens to our Credit Worthiness.

As I see it...

Inflation, especially food and fuel costs has to be controlled with legislation and in fact driven down, wages stabilised and jobs actually created that pay enough to stand alone without people having to claim benefits.

The government, all governments globally, will have to do this eventually anyway so why not make a start now?

Firstly rein in the energy and utilities with legislation to control their pricing.

Nationalise any business that still relies on Government subsidies and get them working for all of us on a fair and affordable level. This will actually prove cheaper and create jobs where they are needed.

Better to spend and give people work than spend and watch private companies fritter away subsidies to benefit a few whilst our services are no better but considerably worse and more expensive.

Set up a National Bank from those we already own to help those businesses that still survive until a more stable market place develops based on people spending what they have earned after they have paid taxes on what they earn instead of the perverse system now, where tax credits are paid to falsely keep afloat an economy that has become too expensive to live within if you happen to earn average or low pay!

I know you won't like much of what I suggest...but where will the alternatives lead?

As we are already on the way, I think you know the answer to that one.

okay... your key phrase is "pay such a high price". This is crucial. We are not paying a price, we are paying for what we should have paid for a decade ago. We had a decade on credit and most crucially this included pay increases and promises to the public sector that could not ever be paid for. I am not political. But the labour party mishandled the economy completely. Bankers, greedy ? yes. Unions dishonest ? certainly. But most of all we as a society are to blame, we deluded ourselves for years and years and now it simply the hangover. Why do I resent these strikes ? Because it shows the worst of this country, there is always someone else to blame, when in fact we are all to blame. But instead of facing up to it, we pretend someone can print money and get us out of this mess. China will soon be buying Euro bonds on a massive scale. The Euro is about to collapse in its current form yet Sterling falls against the Euro. I could go on ( for hours ). The signs are so bad that the only sure fire business winner at the moment is investing in comanies that build carts and breed horses. a 2% wage cut, wage freeze, work for an extra year... this is the stuff of luxury , if we are not careful this summer will be satired for years as the summer of "they did not know what was about to hit them"

MGRA wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

southy wrote:
I have just had a text that thursday National Strike has gone over the 1 million mark for people taken part in, the Teachers Union that has never ever strike in its 80 year old history is now going to come out on strike for that one day on June 30th.

The National Union of Teachers has been going for 127 years (as reported this morning on BBC Breakfast) in that time it has never been on strike.

This Government has been in for just over year and the are planned for the remainder of the summer and beyond.

Sort of tells everyone something.

I hope the strikes continue until this joke of a coalition realise, they cannot punish teachers and or all the public sector for their ridiculous crusade of spending cuts.

I notice Eric Pickles is sticking his big fat nose in to Southampton City Council, that will please Royston Smith no end because Royston despises Eric Pickles.

I'm so pleased, I bet Royston is spitting feathers.

Theres 4 teachers Unions and yes the NUT has been around for about that long, but that was not the one I was talking about, this Union has Teachers in Private Schools and has never taken any industral action at all not even work to rule, Its one of your right wing Unions. And for this lot to come out on strike is saying some thing.
There be a General Election before the end of next year, The Government has back the wrong horse in Southampton city Council, thinking in win here before Thursday would be a win for the Capitalist and a collapse in the national strike in the public service sector strike on Thursday, thats why Pickles has been told to get involved.
Come Oct/Nov if the General Strike gets the go ahead, it will finish off this Government, if the Government has not all ready resigned and gone to the nation.

you assume that 25% turn-outs for ballots will be allowed to keep on going. this is where your drunken/challenged slant on things goes wrong. It won't. Keep up slow coach !

Total turnout in SCC Harefield council elections was between 30 and 35% in the last ten years. What kind of mandate is that? Yet Royston is bringing misery to the whole City.
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I would think of another argument if I was you.

its not an argument. its a fact. its what is going to happen.

TheJeepster wrote:

MGRA wrote:

TheJeepster wrote:
If you understand why are you in such denial.

You must know that no matter who strikes and what cuts are made it's all over for this economic cycle?

My gripe is with the attacks we make on each other when now, of all times, is exactly when we should be standing together.

However, if you continue to attack...I will attack back and as you appear to represent what most imagine to be those who are truly to blame for where we are...you cannot win!

I have said much the same as you have on many occasions but you really go at peoples throats and then temper it down later...when you might be able to actually help by trying to educate with a bit of humanity and just a little humility.

After all, ordinary people, who you say did not and do not understand, can hardly be asked to understand now when asked to pay such a high price whilst others who are more culpable in creating all this mess are still coining it in.

As for the government, they do have a choice because the fact is...we are seeing the disastrous results of starving the economy of cash already and the cost of trimming public services
has yet to be accounted for.

The unemployed cost as much as the employed if not more because they do not produce and do not contribute.

The cost of this will not be seen until next year and then lets see what happens to our Credit Worthiness.

As I see it...

Inflation, especially food and fuel costs has to be controlled with legislation and in fact driven down, wages stabilised and jobs actually created that pay enough to stand alone without people having to claim benefits.

The government, all governments globally, will have to do this eventually anyway so why not make a start now?

Firstly rein in the energy and utilities with legislation to control their pricing.

Nationalise any business that still relies on Government subsidies and get them working for all of us on a fair and affordable level. This will actually prove cheaper and create jobs where they are needed.

Better to spend and give people work than spend and watch private companies fritter away subsidies to benefit a few whilst our services are no better but considerably worse and more expensive.

Set up a National Bank from those we already own to help those businesses that still survive until a more stable market place develops based on people spending what they have earned after they have paid taxes on what they earn instead of the perverse system now, where tax credits are paid to falsely keep afloat an economy that has become too expensive to live within if you happen to earn average or low pay!

I know you won't like much of what I suggest...but where will the alternatives lead?

As we are already on the way, I think you know the answer to that one.

okay... your key phrase is "pay such a high price". This is crucial. We are not paying a price, we are paying for what we should have paid for a decade ago. We had a decade on credit and most crucially this included pay increases and promises to the public sector that could not ever be paid for. I am not political. But the labour party mishandled the economy completely. Bankers, greedy ? yes. Unions dishonest ? certainly. But most of all we as a society are to blame, we deluded ourselves for years and years and now it simply the hangover. Why do I resent these strikes ? Because it shows the worst of this country, there is always someone else to blame, when in fact we are all to blame. But instead of facing up to it, we pretend someone can print money and get us out of this mess. China will soon be buying Euro bonds on a massive scale. The Euro is about to collapse in its current form yet Sterling falls against the Euro. I could go on ( for hours ). The signs are so bad that the only sure fire business winner at the moment is investing in comanies that build carts and breed horses. a 2% wage cut, wage freeze, work for an extra year... this is the stuff of luxury , if we are not careful this summer will be satired for years as the summer of "they did not know what was about to hit them"

As you seem resigned to this anyway..as I am myself...why get so bothered about it?

If people do not understand or care, so what?

Cuts or strikes or both...it won't make any difference to the end game and you admit as much.

The question now is...How do we begin to fix it?

My argument is that social and economic rebuilding have to walk hand in hand for awhile to move forward from where we are.

Only structured Governmental Intervention can achieve this but this has to be done and more to the point, seen to done fairly.

At the moment it is all too easy to perceive Government policy as an attack on those who have least to pay for the mistakes of those who have most but continue to take more.

All thoughts of the world economic recovery, let alone British economic recovery based on what has been and gone before has to be suspended and a new approach taken.

Effectively and very simply...one man, one job, paying his way from what he earns in a much reduced marketplace, with prices strictly controlled by Global Government policies.

Stabilise first get everyone pulling in the same direction and when things settle down, then you can relax controls and look to grow again.

Of course the wealthy will take a bigger hit but their wealth is relative and in a reduced austere economy, they will still be wealthy but at least most will be able to keep their jobs.

Perception is a funny thing and a clever Government would have made sure the wealthy were seen to be taking such a hit before embarking on it's current course, which at the moment, just looks like victimisation.

Poppy22 wrote:
Teachers' (and especially Heads') hourly rates are above their equivalent in other professions and their pensions better than almost all in the private sector. What example does striking show pupils (if you don't get what you want, just stamp your feet or "play up" and it'll pay off..)?
I know of plenty of public sector workers who have managed to retire in their 50's recently on their very generous pensions; I only know of one person in the private sector who's managed to retire at that age and she's worked for the same company since school and had a protected final salary pension, unlike the majority who have had to accept lower moneypurchase or personal pensions for 10-15 years now!
Put up and shut up, teachers, and do some work, after all, you'll soon be on your several-weeks main holiday of the year!

Roger Khan wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
This is disgusting.
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Parents may have to look after their own kids for a whole day.
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Send the kids to Christs Hospital school. Hopefully when they finish they dont choose to become teachers just because of the easy lifestyle 13 week hols 9-3 hrs etc. Then complain about poor wages.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

madeupusername wrote:

cathyhawks wrote:
well i support the teachers to some extent,but i work as a school escort and i wont be going to work thursday( not my choice) so i will be losing money.not too happy.can anyone tell me are they getting paid for that day?

If you strike, you do not get paid. If you are not striking, you should be paid as normal, even if a school were to be closed to children. If you make yourself available to work, you are entitled to be paid.

Yes that's correct, if you yourself are not on strike, and I know you aren't as my children have school bus escorts (as you fall under the level being affected) then you will be paid as normal.

MGRA wrote:

Shoong wrote:

rafa b wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

BurningRAGE wrote: Isn't it amazing how people kick and scream when services they utilise stop! Before the service stopped, be it school teachers or carers, most of the population didnt care about them, but now they are refusing to work due to a tyrant demanding they pay back money they didnt lose in the first place, people are beginning to take notice. People better learn to appreciate what you have. * Think of it this way, when the wage is uninviting and the benfits are non existence why would you apply/stay in that job? you wouldnt, and thats why many teachers have walked out in the past, and now how many more will follow? The same situation is occuring with social workers. They are overworked and underpaid and not surprisingly leaving their jobs to move to neighbouring authorities. * If key jobs become so unattractive that no one will do them, where will we be then? * Without the working class this country will crumble, lets not let things go that far, support your teachers and local services who are under siege by a government who are only concerned about money, not the well being, or care of the nation nor even the long term effect of the economical cuts! Short sighted vision to benefit themselves!

Bob 'Champagne' Crow - also on £113K a year. Derek Simpson - £186K a year. £90K is 'benefits'.

Shoong you been reading the Tory papers and there smoke screen to divert your attention away from the real problems. It don't really matter how much Union Leaders earn at all, even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality, and the fact that its the members of that Union (rank and file) who say what there wages should be, and its down to them to decide on there wages, unlike a private company who boss decides what his/her wage is with out the work force having an input, so whitch is more democratic a Union or a private company, just think a lot of these bosses in private companys earn at lest twice that amount, and they advoid paying Taxes where ever they can.

Nope, not from a Tory paper. I don't read newspapers. The figures were released by the TPA. I can guess what you're going to say next. Yes, the TPA was set up by Tory MPs, no-one can deny that but these are the figures. There are real, serious problems out there. These Union fat cat bosses taking Union members for mugs is one of them. What are there 'benefits'? Can you explain. Perhaps you can write to Bob Crowe & ask him how much of this benefit goes on champagne & swanky restaurants? If the Union members decide what they should be paid - mugs again. Clearly not getting value for money. 'even lo they are not earning what your saying in reality'. Yes, because it wouldn't be like you to dismiss reality would it?

You are reading the daily mail too much. Firstly Bob crow does not spend members money, on swanky restaurants, he was actually having his 50th party at a restaurant, and I was not aware that there was a law, saying working people cant save and enjoy nites out or eat at the nice places. Having worked in public sector for many years, i can well remember those in the private sector sneering and looking down on public sector workers, now the bubble has burst in the private sector, we are being made scapegoats. The cabinet is full of multi millionaires who couldnt give a monkeys for bout the working people (private and Public). I will be supporting the teachers who take action and others, we didnt make the mess!! My children will be kept away from school, as its scandal that schools want to bring in any tom, dick and harry to teach, to break a strike. these are professional hard working people and clearly like me have had enough of this vile government, who want to make everyone work longer, less money and conditions, and indeed turn the clock back, to the old victorian days, where working people were treated with distain, and no rights.We are not in this all together, dont be fooled.

I said I didn't read newspapers.

Bob Crow - working class. Your having a giraffe.

My utter disdain is for the Thirty-eight trade union general secretaries and chief executives who spend their days lecturing about inequality and exploitation but received remuneration of more than £100,000 last year.

Another mug.

I love the Bob Crow myth. Just because he speak like a camden town balloon seller, people think he is "of the people".... gullible, stupid union members think he is "one of them". Its hilarious. He is a parasite. Also, ask anyone who used to work for Union Castle or Cunard in the 60s about "Lord Prescott" Ask them what they think of him now... The man who singlehandedly destroyed 20,000 seafaring british jobs, now basks in luxury as a peer....