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Southampton covered in one million bin bags due to industrial action
10:33am Thursday 7th July 2011 in News
Overflowing bins in Harborough Road, Southampton
Southampton is buried beneath about one million bin bags that could take weeks to clear, the Daily Echo can reveal.
Council bosses yesterday brought in more paid contractors to begin clearing the massive backlog of festering waste that one leading councillor said left the city looking like a Third World refugee camp.
And the council is considering taking up offers of help from residents to set up a volunteer army of litter pickers.
The latest revelations come as unions accused the council of calling off secretly planned last-ditch talks to end the industrial action that has caused the mess.
The council’s chief executive admitted that talks through mediation service ACAS were “tentatively scheduled”
for yesterday afternoon, but insisted that they were not confirmed and that no further meetings were needed for a final pay cut offer to be accepted.
Union leaders reacted with disbelief and vowed to press ahead with a massive wave of strikes next week – the largest yet – which will involve more than 600 workers.
Striking bin men returned to their rounds on Tuesday after rows over working alongside agency staff.
The council’s waste chief Andrew Trayer said that in a normal week about 1,400 tonnes of waste would be collected, but the strike had resulted in the need to collect hundreds of additional tonnes.
With each black bin bag typically weighing a couple of kilos, it means that there could be about one million lying uncollected – some 2,000 tonnes.
Mr Trayer said that it would take “two to three weeks” to clear the backlog.
About two-thirds of the waste is now bagged by the side of wheelie bins.
Hired help may now be stepped up to six or seven trucks by the weekend in what Mr Trayer called a “proactive rather than reactive” effort.
The number of hired trucks on the road increased from two to four yesterday as the risk of fire hazards grew and the council has been deluged with complaints about possible health risks.
Managed blocks of flats, community centres and nursing homes are paying for private collections.
But waste bosses revealed that many firms had refused to work for the council for fear of damaging relations with unions and clients.
Council leader Councillor Royston Smith said that it was considering written requests from volunteers to help the clear-up.
Cllr Smith insisted that the controversial pay cuts would protect 400 jobs and revealed that the council faces an even bigger budget black hole than feared after more staff than anticipated volunteered for costly redundancies, and inflation pushed up forecast costs.
He said that the council now needs to save more than £75m over the next four years – £10m more than forecast – and that any loss in savings would increase pressure to cut jobs and services.
Up to 2,400 Unite and Unison union members at the council are in the seventh week of industrial action over proposed cuts to pay and conditions.
Council staff have been threatened with dismissal if they don’t sign up to new contracts coming in on Monday.
Two-and-a-half days of ACAS talks collapsed in stalemate two weeks ago, despite a final offer from the council to remove half of its staff – those earning under £22,000, including bin men – from proposed pay cuts of between two and 5.5 per cent.
Unions claim that the offer still amounted to a pay cut for most of these lower paid workers because it ignored a freeze on annual pay rises and cuts in mileage rates from 54p to 45p. This is worth hundreds of pounds each year to some council workers.
The offer was rejected as “not going far enough” at a meeting of about 500 members of the unions earlier this week.
Union leaders yesterday said they had told ACAS that they would now talk with the council without pre-conditions.
They had earlier insisted that dismissal notices be withdrawn for strikes to be halted, and negotiations to reopen.
Cllr Smith said that a further meeting with the unions and ACAS was considered but had not been arranged and the final offer remained on the table.
“We do not need a meeting to discuss this offer but would happily meet to talk about implementing our proposal,”
he said.
Unison regional organiser Andy Straker said: “This demonstrates that Southampton City Council never wanted to negotiate.
“With rubbish piling up on the streets and further strike action due to take place from Monday, all the council chief executive and leader can do is sit in their offices and sulk.
“This city needs leadership from its civic officers and all it gets is silly games from grown men acting like silly boys.”
Unite regional organiser Ian Woodland said: “For all those residents who have been calling for both sides to meet and resolve the dispute their actions must be a hammerblow.
“We knew from the beginning that the council did not want to negotiate, they just wanted to dictate to their staff and the staff’s unions. If this is how the council wants to behave we will have no other option but to continue with the strikes.”
Comments(135)
BMWDellboy
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11:03am Thu 7 Jul 11
loonaloop
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11:15am Thu 7 Jul 11
This will mean a reduction of 25% on the average paypacket plus what pay the strikers have lost to date, quite a bit more than the 5% they were asked to take in the 1st place. silly boy`s you should have known the only good thing about a union today is its a cheap insurance policy.
DJ Teh
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11:17am Thu 7 Jul 11
loonaloop wrote:I'm sorry, where the hell are you reading this from then?
This refuse work will be contracted out and the workers will be offered their old jobs back on the min wage under the rules of TUPE.
This will mean a reduction of 25% on the average paypacket plus what pay the strikers have lost to date, quite a bit more than the 5% they were asked to take in the 1st place. silly boy`s you should have known the only good thing about a union today is its a cheap insurance policy.
Is this more tripe that you wish to add to the ever growing unfactual propoganda tripe that is already out there?
I think so.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:22am Thu 7 Jul 11
DJ Teh
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11:22am Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:24am Thu 7 Jul 11
mr.southampton
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11:25am Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:29am Thu 7 Jul 11
mr.southampton wrote:ironic, that honour falls to a combination between greedy strikers and locals who havent done their bit to help the council try and keep wages under control, the budget shortfall under control, and council taxes down by taking their rubbish to the tip
Royston Smith literally turning this city into a Sh*t-tip
The council, with Royston at the head on his white charger, is the one taking action to clear it up!
Tally-ho!
Looks like the battle is on the turn.
It looks like its Unions 1 Residents 2 with only a few days to the final whistle ;-)
Shoong
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11:30am Thu 7 Jul 11
DJ Teh wrote:Can you prove it's tripe?
loonaloop wrote:I'm sorry, where the hell are you reading this from then?
This refuse work will be contracted out and the workers will be offered their old jobs back on the min wage under the rules of TUPE.
This will mean a reduction of 25% on the average paypacket plus what pay the strikers have lost to date, quite a bit more than the 5% they were asked to take in the 1st place. silly boy`s you should have known the only good thing about a union today is its a cheap insurance policy.
Is this more tripe that you wish to add to the ever growing unfactual propoganda tripe that is already out there?
I think so.
I am also sick of Union propaganda leading them straight to the dole queue. They are being used as pawns.
Brite Spark
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11:31am Thu 7 Jul 11
Condor Man
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11:34am Thu 7 Jul 11
tootle
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11:36am Thu 7 Jul 11
To be brutally honest, apart from a desire not to have to go to the tip and a larger than normal pile of library books waiting to be returned the strike really has not incommoded me. It is amazing how much quieter the traffic noise is without bin lorries, street sweeper etc - will admit that really surprised me.
Elgy
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11:40am Thu 7 Jul 11
davesbabe
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11:40am Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA
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11:41am Thu 7 Jul 11
davesbabe
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11:43am Thu 7 Jul 11
BMWDellboy wrote:my husband works for your council and gets a lot less pay than the workers that are striking here let me tell you, maybe they should give my hubby their job hed appreciate the pay rise!!! lol
As I live in the New Forest area run by NFDC all is fine in my locality thanks to a smooth running council and dedicated workers.
Paramjit Bahia
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11:47am Thu 7 Jul 11
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For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price
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Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again
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Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:47am Thu 7 Jul 11
tootle wrote:Yes, it hasn't really inconvenienced many of us. The only effect on me has been the need to pop to the recycling centre occasionally, and pass by the bin men standing around glum from the lack of support.
Odd that but, apart from one neighbour and a block of recently built flats where they struggle to cope on normal weeks) there have been very few binbags in evidence in my locality.
To be brutally honest, apart from a desire not to have to go to the tip and a larger than normal pile of library books waiting to be returned the strike really has not incommoded me. It is amazing how much quieter the traffic noise is without bin lorries, street sweeper etc - will admit that really surprised me.
It is interesting to see who we miss and who we dont
I would have thought it will help to crystallise the thinking of the council if any future redundancies are needed.
The workers wont be got rid of because they went on strike, that would clearly not be allowed or fair.
But if we dont miss them, they are doing a good job of showing us all how redundant they are!
Back to work guys and gals, before the residents step in to volunteer to take on these roles under the Big Society (you know, those of us who have pride in our city) and you all make yourselves utterly dispensable.
I would imagine long term striking is the quickest way to turn libraries into places run by volunteers. Must be plenty of mums who would be happy to help run the libraries so their children can go and listen to stories, sing songs and borrow books. I dont want to see the libraries run by volunteers, I support the librarians, but if the strikes continue, I am sure volunteers will step into the breach.
Donald2000
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11:48am Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA
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11:49am Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA
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11:50am Thu 7 Jul 11
mr.southampton wrote:i think you mean "figuratively" , not "literally".
Royston Smith literally turning this city into a Sh*t-tip
MGRA
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11:53am Thu 7 Jul 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:so what you are saying is that you do not like democracy then. What system would you favour instead ?
I may not like the uncollected rubbish in Southampton’s streets, but I am more worried about the toxic garbage of political class that was voted by the people because they hood winked many into believing that they will serve this place properly
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For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price
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Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again
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Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:55am Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA wrote:ah, the work to rule....
just past a SCC refuse lorry heading towards bitterne, the operatives were working at a snails pace and taunting the local residents.
...wont be long before they will be back to the depot for lunch....
... and then I wouldnt be surprised if they time it so they can clear off home for the day afterwards, finished or not...
townieboy
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11:59am Thu 7 Jul 11
Elgy wrote:Bestly eastly is a dump anyway. Who would notice more rubbish there ?
Smelling like roses in Eastleigh. Not missing my old flat in Southampton at all ;) Wake up unions and sort yourselves out, you're a bunch of dinosaurs.
SOULJACKER
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11:59am Thu 7 Jul 11
Have you seen the High street lately, that is a freakin' disgrace.........Peo
ple must think they took the wrong turn off the M27 & ended up in Pompey bwahahahaha ;)
But seriously, I was in Brighton for the 'Eels' concert last night (Real good gig btw)....& what a clean and cultured looking city it is.........Hell, we're screwed up here cause nobody gives a dayam anymore ๏̯͡๏
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:04pm Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA wrote:The problem is with the old "ripe" rubbish is no one will want to move it to a central collection point, if they did, they will have alreday taken it to the recycling centre.
seems logical now for SCC to organise large tipping areas for refuse and then hire private open-back lorries to collect every day from these specified sites and take the refuse to the incinerator. Would cost about the same as the lay-abouts and here huge refuse lorries. tipping areas could be cordened off in places like merryoak park , peartree gree, veractity, etc etc , local residents could oversea and help organise. It would also show that refuse lorries rumbling along at a snails pace with their engine running is not only bad for the environment but not needed anymore.
I believe the contractors will be used to clear all this side waste in situ (it has already started), and as many residents as can will be encouraged to do as many of us already do, and make our own weekly trip to the recycling centre till the residents have beaten the unions.
The contractors and occasional non striking slow moving refuse collectors will keep on top of what is left.
I wish the council luck with gathering an army of litter pickers from the residents, many of us are already doing this in our area, I think it is quite likely to be successful.
Paramjit Bahia
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12:05pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Condor Man wrote:Condor, Will fortnightly collection not be a complete U turn for your favourite CONservatives who used to say 'the lady is not for the turning'?
one way around this would be for private contractors to collect all the bagged rubbish on the street and leave the wheelie bins as contractually they would be unable to empty them. This will all end in fortnightly collections alternating with the recycling.
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Actually they turned over for Lib-Dems in political bed, did they not?
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Come to think of it your ConDem Coalition has recently done so may U turns that it seems they are on a merry go around round about.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:11pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Another good reason for trimming costs by cutting pay and benefits!
Paramjit Bahia
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12:18pm Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA wrote:How silly can you possibly be or you just happen to be Liberal-Democrat?
Paramjit Bahia wrote: I may not like the uncollected rubbish in Southampton’s streets, but I am more worried about the toxic garbage of political class that was voted by the people because they hood winked many into believing that they will serve this place properly . For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price . Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again . Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.so what you are saying is that you do not like democracy then. What system would you favour instead ?
When did I ever say I am against democracy?
It is most embarrassing for me as an immigrant to request you to learn reading and understanding the English language properly
The Rising Phoenix
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12:28pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Royston will you jog on and stop commenting on here!
together wrote:
mr.southampton wrote: Royston Smith literally turning this city into a Sh*t-tipironic, that honour falls to a combination between greedy strikers and locals who havent done their bit to help the council try and keep wages under control, the budget shortfall under control, and council taxes down by taking their rubbish to the tip The council, with Royston at the head on his white charger, is the one taking action to clear it up! Tally-ho! Looks like the battle is on the turn. It looks like its Unions 1 Residents 2 with only a few days to the final whistle ;-)
You are not a 'hero' your are a douche and your running the city into the ground as if it was your private play toy.
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And final whistle? what final whistle, you are very naive if you think Monday is the end of all this, it will be the start! The end will be when political scum like you finally listen to the people.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:34pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Emma Goldman
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12:36pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Royston, I am glad you are committed to keeping weekly bin collections!
together wrote:
I would hope we would be able to keep weekly bin collections going. Another good reason for trimming costs by cutting pay and benefits!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:39pm Thu 7 Jul 11
and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions.
The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants.
A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words.
I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it.
And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers.
A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it.
I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten.
The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
The Rising Phoenix
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12:41pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_They can always be reinstated old bean!
together wrote:
It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditions
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The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday!
And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Emma Goldman
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12:44pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_The letters page in today's paper version of the Echo would put paragraphs 2 & 3 of that in doubt, Roy!
together wrote:
Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining.... and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions. The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants. A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words. I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it. And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers. A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it. I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten. The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
The Rising Phoenix
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12:45pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Go on then Royston, I;d love to see you scraping **** off the road. And if you think Big Society is going to be the saviour you may want to re-evaluate your conclusion. Whilst i commend the idea of big society, in practice it will fail (not everywhere, little villages will be fine).
together wrote:
Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining.... and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions. The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants. A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words. I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it. And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers. A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it. I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten. The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
Most residents support the workers so where are you getting the new that residents are standing with the council? Dementia no doubt!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:48pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available.
Sotonians_lets_pull_They can always be reinstated old bean!
together wrote:
It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditions
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The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday!
And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal cover
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:50pm Thu 7 Jul 11
There are clearly some dyed in the wool socialists about who wish to deflect any blame away from the militant strikers and unions who are causing these problems
Ben Durutti
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12:50pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:Indeed. The panicking council have last minute offered social workers in Children's Services an additional £1400 a year, although social workers in Adult Care & other professional staff aren't being offered this. This does indeed open up the Council to unfair dismissal claims.
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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12:52pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Ben Durutti wrote:as I said above, I don't profess to be an expert in these matters, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action on residents to which the council have a duty of care, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available.
The Rising Phoenix wrote:Indeed. The panicking council have last minute offered social workers in Children's Services an additional £1400 a year, although social workers in Adult Care & other professional staff aren't being offered this. This does indeed open up the Council to unfair dismissal claims.
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal cover
The Rising Phoenix
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12:55pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair!
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.
DJ Teh
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12:55pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Don't kid your self son. You saw what happened in the last election, now see what happens in the next.
together wrote:
Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining....
and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions.
The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants.
A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words.
I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it.
And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers.
A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it.
I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten.
The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
I swear you, condorman, mrga, and a few others have this mental block on anything not conservative. Wait, I forget, you people are here just to wind up the other lot who don't follow conservatives.
Quite frankly, the comments on the last few news articles have been petty and childish from some of you (me included on this one.)
I've resided to this fact, we're gonna have cuts, be it all unfair and unrealistic or sensible and required. As long as I can get to my place of work, and live my life without too much political hardship, and financial difficulties, I couldn't give a crud any more at the moment, the unions have the right idea, I didn't gamble my money on speculation and all the rest of the reasons floating around, but I can't escape the fact I'm going to pay for someone else's mistake. My house will stay clean as I will take my own litter down the tip.
The end is neigh. Civil breakdown is happening. The economy is about to crash. I'm just going to ride it out as I can adapt what ever happens.
And now I expect to get a load of abuse, posts to try and make me feel bad, and probably put a massive dent in my reputation. But generally anything I say is an *opinion* of mine, and should be taken like a pot of marmite, just like me as a person. Some people like me, and some people hate me.
Roll on the abuse, and good luck to everyone. The end is neigh. The end is neigh.
The Rising Phoenix
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12:58pm Thu 7 Jul 11
DJ Teh wrote:Well put, it is the catalyst for social breakdown and the government are treating it as a election game.
Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining.... and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions. The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants. A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words. I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it. And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers. A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it. I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten. The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.Don't kid your self son. You saw what happened in the last election, now see what happens in the next. I swear you, condorman, mrga, and a few others have this mental block on anything not conservative. Wait, I forget, you people are here just to wind up the other lot who don't follow conservatives. Quite frankly, the comments on the last few news articles have been petty and childish from some of you (me included on this one.) I've resided to this fact, we're gonna have cuts, be it all unfair and unrealistic or sensible and required. As long as I can get to my place of work, and live my life without too much political hardship, and financial difficulties, I couldn't give a crud any more at the moment, the unions have the right idea, I didn't gamble my money on speculation and all the rest of the reasons floating around, but I can't escape the fact I'm going to pay for someone else's mistake. My house will stay clean as I will take my own litter down the tip. The end is neigh. Civil breakdown is happening. The economy is about to crash. I'm just going to ride it out as I can adapt what ever happens. And now I expect to get a load of abuse, posts to try and make me feel bad, and probably put a massive dent in my reputation. But generally anything I say is an *opinion* of mine, and should be taken like a pot of marmite, just like me as a person. Some people like me, and some people hate me. Roll on the abuse, and good luck to everyone. The end is neigh. The end is neigh.
MGRA
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12:58pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I did not say you are "against" democracy.... It is most embarrassing for me to request to you THAT YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT I SAID..... so again....
MGRA wrote:How silly can you possibly be or you just happen to be Liberal-Democrat?
Paramjit Bahia wrote: I may not like the uncollected rubbish in Southampton’s streets, but I am more worried about the toxic garbage of political class that was voted by the people because they hood winked many into believing that they will serve this place properly . For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price . Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again . Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.so what you are saying is that you do not like democracy then. What system would you favour instead ?
When did I ever say I am against democracy?
It is most embarrassing for me as an immigrant to request you to learn reading and understanding the English language properly
I said "you do not like democracy".
That is completely different from being "against" democracy.
Emma Goldman
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1:00pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Royston,
together wrote:
Emma, There are clearly some dyed in the wool socialists about who wish to deflect any blame away from the militant strikers and unions who are causing these problems
Reds in the beds in the pay of Castro & Chavez no doubt? People who have a sense of humanity, social awareness, fairness & justice, who realise that these cuts are all about benefiting the few & to the detriment of the many more like!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:00pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Divide et impera! ;-)
yt
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1:01pm Thu 7 Jul 11
SOUTHAMPTON COUNCIL, get the binmen, parking wardens and associated unskilled labour on MINIMUM WAGE NOW!!!!!!! Get the bridge token people replaced with machines...
Outrageous!
yt
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1:01pm Thu 7 Jul 11
SOUTHAMPTON COUNCIL, get the binmen, parking wardens and associated unskilled labour on MINIMUM WAGE NOW!!!!!!! Get the bridge token people replaced with machines...
Outrageous!
Shoong
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1:03pm Thu 7 Jul 11
DJ Teh wrote:Your perfectly within your right to have an opinion & no-one should insult you personally.
Sotonians_lets_pull_Don't kid your self son. You saw what happened in the last election, now see what happens in the next.
together wrote:
Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining....
and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions.
The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants.
A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words.
I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it.
And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers.
A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it.
I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten.
The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
I swear you, condorman, mrga, and a few others have this mental block on anything not conservative. Wait, I forget, you people are here just to wind up the other lot who don't follow conservatives.
Quite frankly, the comments on the last few news articles have been petty and childish from some of you (me included on this one.)
I've resided to this fact, we're gonna have cuts, be it all unfair and unrealistic or sensible and required. As long as I can get to my place of work, and live my life without too much political hardship, and financial difficulties, I couldn't give a crud any more at the moment, the unions have the right idea, I didn't gamble my money on speculation and all the rest of the reasons floating around, but I can't escape the fact I'm going to pay for someone else's mistake. My house will stay clean as I will take my own litter down the tip.
The end is neigh. Civil breakdown is happening. The economy is about to crash. I'm just going to ride it out as I can adapt what ever happens.
And now I expect to get a load of abuse, posts to try and make me feel bad, and probably put a massive dent in my reputation. But generally anything I say is an *opinion* of mine, and should be taken like a pot of marmite, just like me as a person. Some people like me, and some people hate me.
Roll on the abuse, and good luck to everyone. The end is neigh. The end is neigh.
However, it is a load of crud.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:04pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I wouldnt be in the least surprised if the unions make it difficult to achieve the desired savings that the council needs to look further at making more redundancies, that has always been on the cards.
Sotonians_lets_pull_Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair!
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.
The whole idea of the initial plan last November as I understand it was to try and avoid redundancies as far as possible through negotiated reform to pay and conditions.
The sums have to add up. The savings will have to be made somewhere.
bobbyboy
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1:09pm Thu 7 Jul 11
All that is needed to be done when the negotiations started to fail was for industrial skips to be placed near to where the problem areas would arise.For us on the very outskirts of the city where the nominated recycling centre would mean a round trip of 8+miles (for those with transport many here dont) a skip placed here as well this would have been a far more sensible move than hiring contractors daily to collect what was not collected and paid for collection.But all we get is whose fault it is so come on Royston take some direct moves and stop the games dead and take out that stupid condition that's blocking the negotiations that you accuse the Unions of coming to the table with.The word negotiate means talking not shutting doors and to the Unions take a break from continued bin actions and move the actions elsewhere you are doing yourselves no favours with the Unionist with in the effected areas. As for street cleaning shop owners should take a little more responsibility for the conditions outside there shops they sold most of the litter in the first place and for those that think piling bags on the streets is acceptable if someone trips over it You are liable for injuries as it is an act of fly-tipping and you could be prosecuted.
rjfmusic
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1:12pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Quite right - if the council can't do the job on what's available things will have to be put out to private contract... salaries in the private sector have dropped by about 25% in the past 3 years making it a strong competitor for public services.
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I wouldnt be in the least surprised if the unions make it difficult to achieve the desired savings that the council needs to look further at making more redundancies, that has always been on the cards. The whole idea of the initial plan last November as I understand it was to try and avoid redundancies as far as possible through negotiated reform to pay and conditions. The sums have to add up. The savings will have to be made somewhere.Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote:Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair! Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
The Rising Phoenix
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1:17pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Are you a complete spanner? The pay cuts were to be introduced to save jobs, the cuts have gone through (or will come monday) and yet the lying Tory bastards are still cutting 30% of council staff! The longer the Tories stay in power the worst this city/country will become, but hay Roy you would of lined your pockets nicely!
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I wouldnt be in the least surprised if the unions make it difficult to achieve the desired savings that the council needs to look further at making more redundancies, that has always been on the cards. The whole idea of the initial plan last November as I understand it was to try and avoid redundancies as far as possible through negotiated reform to pay and conditions. The sums have to add up. The savings will have to be made somewhere.Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote:Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair! Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:19pm Thu 7 Jul 11
If the council scrapped the changes to the terms and conditions of employment in the contracts (pay etc), which is what would be required to scrap the notice period, they would be back to the drawing board, opening everything up to protracted negotiations with the unions, which is exactly what the unions want.
It would waste a lot of time, and the unions would do their best to negotiate away any savings.
Well that cant happen, the council as I understand it have already moved as far as they can with their latest offer, and have said there is no scope to improve it farther.
It's down to the unions to accept the deal as it stands, something they dont seem prepared to do.
One side has been accommodating, guess which one? The council.
I am amazed the unions members arent furious with their 'negotiators'? Maybe an increasing number of them are?
George4th
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1:20pm Thu 7 Jul 11
DJ Teh wrote:Stop horsing around!
Sotonians_lets_pull_Don't kid your self son. You saw what happened in the last election, now see what happens in the next.
together wrote:
Everywhere you go now, you here people complaining....
and its about the strikers, and more particularly the unions.
The people know it is not the council to blame but the militants.
A lot more people are going to be voting conservative in the next elections, mark my words.
I and they respect the strong leadership that we have had in the face of the strong arm tactics of the unions. We will not stand for it.
And even better, the council and the residents are now winning, you know why? Because we are standing together and starting to sort out the mess without the strikers.
A success for all those who love their home of Southampton, and take pride in it.
I hope more and more of us stand and and be counted to volunteer to take on these roles while the strikes are on. We the residents will not be beaten.
The german bombers didnt beat us, so a handful of socialists havent got a chance.
I swear you, condorman, mrga, and a few others have this mental block on anything not conservative. Wait, I forget, you people are here just to wind up the other lot who don't follow conservatives.
Quite frankly, the comments on the last few news articles have been petty and childish from some of you (me included on this one.)
I've resided to this fact, we're gonna have cuts, be it all unfair and unrealistic or sensible and required. As long as I can get to my place of work, and live my life without too much political hardship, and financial difficulties, I couldn't give a crud any more at the moment, the unions have the right idea, I didn't gamble my money on speculation and all the rest of the reasons floating around, but I can't escape the fact I'm going to pay for someone else's mistake. My house will stay clean as I will take my own litter down the tip.
The end is neigh. Civil breakdown is happening. The economy is about to crash. I'm just going to ride it out as I can adapt what ever happens.
And now I expect to get a load of abuse, posts to try and make me feel bad, and probably put a massive dent in my reputation. But generally anything I say is an *opinion* of mine, and should be taken like a pot of marmite, just like me as a person. Some people like me, and some people hate me.
Roll on the abuse, and good luck to everyone. The end is neigh. The end is neigh.
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On a more serious note. Unions lose jobs and do not create them. At best, for their members, they slow down change but never avoid the inevitable.
The Rising Phoenix
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1:22pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Well it was a unanimous decision at the last union meeting for further industrial action, so yet again wrong facts Rambo!
together wrote:
bobbyboy, If the council scrapped the changes to the terms and conditions of employment in the contracts (pay etc), which is what would be required to scrap the notice period, they would be back to the drawing board, opening everything up to protracted negotiations with the unions, which is exactly what the unions want. It would waste a lot of time, and the unions would do their best to negotiate away any savings. Well that cant happen, the council as I understand it have already moved as far as they can with their latest offer, and have said there is no scope to improve it farther. It's down to the unions to accept the deal as it stands, something they dont seem prepared to do. One side has been accommodating, guess which one? The council. I am amazed the unions members arent furious with their 'negotiators'? Maybe an increasing number of them are?
jhughes
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1:22pm Thu 7 Jul 11
People are lucky to have ANY job in this market, in the private sector we get job losses and pay cuts. The labour con of just lowing unemployment numbers by hiring people is over and we need to rebuild the national finances.
We already pay too much council tax, this HAS to be done and the unions are insanely out of step with the public with their actions.
Emma Goldman
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1:25pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Roy,
together wrote:
bobbyboy, If the council scrapped the changes to the terms and conditions of employment in the contracts (pay etc), which is what would be required to scrap the notice period, they would be back to the drawing board, opening everything up to protracted negotiations with the unions, which is exactly what the unions want. It would waste a lot of time, and the unions would do their best to negotiate away any savings. Well that cant happen, the council as I understand it have already moved as far as they can with their latest offer, and have said there is no scope to improve it farther. It's down to the unions to accept the deal as it stands, something they dont seem prepared to do. One side has been accommodating, guess which one? The council. I am amazed the unions members arent furious with their 'negotiators'? Maybe an increasing number of them are?
Can you please knock on the head the "as I understand it" & "I'm no expert but" phrases that litter your posts? You are fooling nobody in your attempts to hide the fact that you are Cllr Royston Smith, leader of Southampton City Council!
hatch
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1:29pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:30pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:The pay cuts will come into force, but there have been strikes as I understand it deliberately targetted by the unions to disrupt council revenue streams, provide maximum disruption to residents, while maximising costs to the council
Sotonians_lets_pull_Are you a complete spanner? The pay cuts were to be introduced to save jobs, the cuts have gone through (or will come monday) and yet the lying Tory bastards are still cutting 30% of council staff! The longer the Tories stay in power the worst this city/country will become, but hay Roy you would of lined your pockets nicely!
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I wouldnt be in the least surprised if the unions make it difficult to achieve the desired savings that the council needs to look further at making more redundancies, that has always been on the cards. The whole idea of the initial plan last November as I understand it was to try and avoid redundancies as far as possible through negotiated reform to pay and conditions. The sums have to add up. The savings will have to be made somewhere.Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote:Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair! Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Alongside that, posters are suggesting on here that unions plan to advise workers to bring unfair dismissal claims for compensation, and back pay, and restore previous pay and conditions
Alongside the fact that the unions may well accept the councils plan for an improved offer on pay and conditions
So, surely you can understand that the industrial action and its aftermath will have created an bigger and increasing shortfall. If the council are suggesting they are not going to recoup that by revisiting terms and conditions again (triggering more industrial action), then I would not be in the least surprised if the council end up having to make more rounds of redundancy.
Many of us have been saying on here that the strikers are turkeys voting for christmas by taking industrial action.
So why is it any surprise to see someone pencilling Christmas lunch into the calendar?
The militants only have themselves to blame
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:33pm Thu 7 Jul 11
hatch wrote:well said hatch
Congratulations to the people around the Bassett Green Road area where I live , there has been very little mess and the bin men collected this morning . Regarding the disgusting pictures featured in the Echo , most of these people have no self respect , even if some of them had no vehicle they could of pulled together and kept things tidy.
Big Mac
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1:44pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix
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1:46pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Nope Royston stop lying, this has been in the pipeline since April! and you know it has.
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:The pay cuts will come into force, but there have been strikes as I understand it deliberately targetted by the unions to disrupt council revenue streams, provide maximum disruption to residents, while maximising costs to the council Alongside that, posters are suggesting on here that unions plan to advise workers to bring unfair dismissal claims for compensation, and back pay, and restore previous pay and conditions Alongside the fact that the unions may well accept the councils plan for an improved offer on pay and conditions So, surely you can understand that the industrial action and its aftermath will have created an bigger and increasing shortfall. If the council are suggesting they are not going to recoup that by revisiting terms and conditions again (triggering more industrial action), then I would not be in the least surprised if the council end up having to make more rounds of redundancy. Many of us have been saying on here that the strikers are turkeys voting for christmas by taking industrial action. So why is it any surprise to see someone pencilling Christmas lunch into the calendar? The militants only have themselves to blameSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote:Are you a complete spanner? The pay cuts were to be introduced to save jobs, the cuts have gone through (or will come monday) and yet the lying Tory bastards are still cutting 30% of council staff! The longer the Tories stay in power the worst this city/country will become, but hay Roy you would of lined your pockets nicely!The Rising Phoenix wrote:I wouldnt be in the least surprised if the unions make it difficult to achieve the desired savings that the council needs to look further at making more redundancies, that has always been on the cards. The whole idea of the initial plan last November as I understand it was to try and avoid redundancies as far as possible through negotiated reform to pay and conditions. The sums have to add up. The savings will have to be made somewhere.Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote:Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair! Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
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Somedays I wish it was the old days when unhonerable scum like you found justice at the end of a sword!
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People will not lay down just so you can step over them. What exactly do you think the union will do when they find out about the 30% cut? you think the city is bad now, just wait! Dont get me wrong i do not like the city being in this state but it is the only option availble to the union, stop backing people into corners or you are liable to get hurt.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:48pm Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA
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1:49pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_we will eventually have the swedish model... recycling material taken back to the supermarkets, combustable material collected commercially for incineration to produce electricity and compostable waste composted. No need for lazy bin men or rich fat cat union bosses on huge bonusses in the equation.
together wrote:
hatch wrote:well said hatch
Congratulations to the people around the Bassett Green Road area where I live , there has been very little mess and the bin men collected this morning . Regarding the disgusting pictures featured in the Echo , most of these people have no self respect , even if some of them had no vehicle they could of pulled together and kept things tidy.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:55pm Thu 7 Jul 11
I believe the best thing for everyone is for the unions to agree to the latest deal, and for everyone to get back to work and accept the new way of doing things.
I am sure the council will not want to make any redundancies that are avoidable, or for example have to take steps to modernise and automate more services.
The more industrial action, the more cost, the more redundancies, or so it appears to me, it's a simple equation
Equally, the more industrial action, the more we the residents will step into the breach to provide the services we are missing for ourselves, or realise we dont need those services after all, and the more the militants will talk themselves out of sympathy and jobs.
As I say, best for everyone for them to get back to work and be friends again
That's my take on it anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:58pm Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA wrote:Now that's an idea MGRA, I rather like the sound of that
Sotonians_lets_pull_we will eventually have the swedish model... recycling material taken back to the supermarkets, combustable material collected commercially for incineration to produce electricity and compostable waste composted. No need for lazy bin men or rich fat cat union bosses on huge bonusses in the equation.
together wrote:
hatch wrote:well said hatch
Congratulations to the people around the Bassett Green Road area where I live , there has been very little mess and the bin men collected this morning . Regarding the disgusting pictures featured in the Echo , most of these people have no self respect , even if some of them had no vehicle they could of pulled together and kept things tidy.
Maybe Royston and the boys should have a trip to the fjords to find out how it works. They could bring me back a Norwegian Blue ;-)
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:00pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
The Rising Phoenix
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2:11pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Well then i guess we should abolish councils all together, especially if the residents can step into the breach and do it all themselves.
together wrote:
Rising Phoenix, I believe the best thing for everyone is for the unions to agree to the latest deal, and for everyone to get back to work and accept the new way of doing things. I am sure the council will not want to make any redundancies that are avoidable, or for example have to take steps to modernise and automate more services. The more industrial action, the more cost, the more redundancies, or so it appears to me, it's a simple equation Equally, the more industrial action, the more we the residents will step into the breach to provide the services we are missing for ourselves, or realise we dont need those services after all, and the more the militants will talk themselves out of sympathy and jobs. As I say, best for everyone for them to get back to work and be friends again That's my take on it anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Why would anyone agree to the latest deal, which is exactly the same as the old deal, but with a minor alteration from 17k to 22k? Its ok for you with your businesses and allowance from the council, others arent that fortunate and struggle to make ends meet as it is, and now fuel suppliers are rising their prices by 18% and the rate of inflation remains above interest rates. Get out of your fantasy world and recognise how life actually is!
Tories only listen to money so they only way to fight back is to target their money and that is what the unions are doing - smart.
Had you been born with a backbone or a sense of honour you would push for the government to stop letting the super rich and large corporations getting away with tax evasion, then no one would need to be made redundant nor would par cuts have to be introduced, but unfortunately your hands get greased by big companies which allows you live a lot better than most of us.
Why dont you tell all council staff to not come in for a month, and allow residents to step in, because the workers arent needed!
Your playing with fire, and are soon to be burnt!
Paramjit Bahia
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2:14pm Thu 7 Jul 11
MGRA wrote:MGRA, I do not want to be rude but have to say that your statement is a lie, so you are a liar.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I did not say you are "against" democracy.... It is most embarrassing for me to request to you THAT YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT I SAID..... so again.... I said "you do not like democracy". That is completely different from being "against" democracy.MGRA wrote:How silly can you possibly be or you just happen to be Liberal-Democrat? When did I ever say I am against democracy? It is most embarrassing for me as an immigrant to request you to learn reading and understanding the English language properlyParamjit Bahia wrote: I may not like the uncollected rubbish in Southampton’s streets, but I am more worried about the toxic garbage of political class that was voted by the people because they hood winked many into believing that they will serve this place properly . For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price . Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again . Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.so what you are saying is that you do not like democracy then. What system would you favour instead ?
You have no idea of my commitment to democracy, but I guess you have plenty of twisted imagination.
Although I find the out right lie you have posted highly offensive, as my commitment to right of free speech I am simply ignoring your lies from the gutter and with my life long record of participating in democratic practises and campaigning for democratic institutions, I hope not body will take a coward like you who posts under assumed ID seriously.
Have a nice day.
P.Bahia
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:20pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Seriously?
You think the council has a £20 note printing press in the cellars?
costa gaz
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2:22pm Thu 7 Jul 11
yt wrote:Apart from the sympathy at the start, totally agree.
At the start of this I has some sympathy with the binmen- not now!! SOUTHAMPTON COUNCIL, get the binmen, parking wardens and associated unskilled labour on MINIMUM WAGE NOW!!!!!!! Get the bridge token people replaced with machines... Outrageous!
rjfmusic
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2:28pm Thu 7 Jul 11
costa gaz
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2:30pm Thu 7 Jul 11
If you dont try hard at school, this is the sort of job you end up with.
Now get back to work before you are replaced, just remember the great job Scargill & co did for the miners.
espanuel
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3:05pm Thu 7 Jul 11
UTS
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3:15pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sack them all and privitize the whole lot and drop the union leaders in the solent with lead boots.
Dasal
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3:22pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Have you seen the bigger piggies in their starched white shirts. You will find the bigger piggies stirring up the dirt. Always have clean shirts to play around in.
In their styes with all their backing they don't care what goes on around......."
Sums it up nicely, I believe.............
Thanks to the late George Harrison.
Timsey
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3:36pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Needs to be fired bang bang (Ha Ha)
MGRA
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3:45pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Paramjit Bahia wrote:your "life long record" did not equip you to respect democracy though did it !! The people in power were fairly elected !! LIVE WITH IT or maybe find somewhere more attractive to YOUR type of democracy, where its ok just so long as YOUR candidate wins !!
MGRA wrote:MGRA, I do not want to be rude but have to say that your statement is a lie, so you are a liar.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:I did not say you are "against" democracy.... It is most embarrassing for me to request to you THAT YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT I SAID..... so again.... I said "you do not like democracy". That is completely different from being "against" democracy.MGRA wrote:How silly can you possibly be or you just happen to be Liberal-Democrat? When did I ever say I am against democracy? It is most embarrassing for me as an immigrant to request you to learn reading and understanding the English language properlyParamjit Bahia wrote: I may not like the uncollected rubbish in Southampton’s streets, but I am more worried about the toxic garbage of political class that was voted by the people because they hood winked many into believing that they will serve this place properly . For that mistake of which I most certainly am NOT guilty, because I voted for Don Thomas, now all of us are paying the price . Hopefully very soon the trade unions will succeed in their morally justified protest and secure what they are striking for and then the bins will be collected and streets cleaned again . Sadly the Tory lad Royston and his right wing side kicks cannot be removed that quickly. We will have to wait for elections till next may. Till then they will keep on being danger to our city’s overall and administrative health.so what you are saying is that you do not like democracy then. What system would you favour instead ?
You have no idea of my commitment to democracy, but I guess you have plenty of twisted imagination.
Although I find the out right lie you have posted highly offensive, as my commitment to right of free speech I am simply ignoring your lies from the gutter and with my life long record of participating in democratic practises and campaigning for democratic institutions, I hope not body will take a coward like you who posts under assumed ID seriously.
Have a nice day.
P.Bahia
MGRA
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3:51pm Thu 7 Jul 11
olicys etc etc.
The unions have made one huge error in all this, they assumed the residents would fall for their spin and actually think this was about "their members". Its clear to many I have spoken to that they see through this spin and acknowledge this is purely political. Southampton is its residents, its not parachuted in rich union fat cats. These greedy people who prey on their gullible members are seen for what they are.
loosehead
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3:51pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:It was Labour that opted for a Southampton Council or don't you remember we were run from Hampshire
Sotonians_lets_pull_Well then i guess we should abolish councils all together, especially if the residents can step into the breach and do it all themselves.
together wrote:
Rising Phoenix, I believe the best thing for everyone is for the unions to agree to the latest deal, and for everyone to get back to work and accept the new way of doing things. I am sure the council will not want to make any redundancies that are avoidable, or for example have to take steps to modernise and automate more services. The more industrial action, the more cost, the more redundancies, or so it appears to me, it's a simple equation Equally, the more industrial action, the more we the residents will step into the breach to provide the services we are missing for ourselves, or realise we dont need those services after all, and the more the militants will talk themselves out of sympathy and jobs. As I say, best for everyone for them to get back to work and be friends again That's my take on it anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Why would anyone agree to the latest deal, which is exactly the same as the old deal, but with a minor alteration from 17k to 22k? Its ok for you with your businesses and allowance from the council, others arent that fortunate and struggle to make ends meet as it is, and now fuel suppliers are rising their prices by 18% and the rate of inflation remains above interest rates. Get out of your fantasy world and recognise how life actually is!
Tories only listen to money so they only way to fight back is to target their money and that is what the unions are doing - smart.
Had you been born with a backbone or a sense of honour you would push for the government to stop letting the super rich and large corporations getting away with tax evasion, then no one would need to be made redundant nor would par cuts have to be introduced, but unfortunately your hands get greased by big companies which allows you live a lot better than most of us.
Why dont you tell all council staff to not come in for a month, and allow residents to step in, because the workers arent needed!
Your playing with fire, and are soon to be burnt!
loosehead
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4:00pm Thu 7 Jul 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:Fair & just? under Labour a working man after tax takes home less than a man on invalidity pay yet that man/woman can get caught sky diving & only get a suspended sentence I know of too many cases where people on social or Invalidity pay have worked on the side & gone out with more money than I could working & yes I could/should have shopped them but this is the equal society that you of the left have created.
Sotonians_lets_pull_Clearly EQUITABLE has a different meaning in 'Tory Land'. Equitable here on planet Earth means fair and just, and if there is one thing these pay cuts and losses arent is ... fair!
together wrote:
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I dont know, but considering the initial offer was an equitable one, I cant see there being a problem with negotiating with people in flexible ways to try and reduce the impact of industrial action, particularly if the unions are not taking on their responsibility to negotiate and accept the collective bargain available. I doubt the council would take any course of action without ensuring they have legal coverSotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: It will be the final whistle for the old pay and conditionsThey can always be reinstated old bean! * The council have already back tracked on certain things and are now offering some staff more pay to stay, due to there being whole departments ready to walk on Monday! And that opens a whole host of unfair claims - Uh oh!
Where do you stand on the new that the council whilst "winning" the pay cuts are now in the process of cutting a further 30% of council staff in the next couple of months? Come on spill more Tory lies.
Rjhsoton
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4:01pm Thu 7 Jul 11
i thought they were clearing just the excess rubbish beside bins but a few propertys (polish residents) also had thier wheelie bins done aswell
i suppose the guys doing it were polish so were looking after thier own
if your gonna do some do them all is that not being rascist wot about the english and all other nationallities living down the road why did you not do all the bins
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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4:10pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Rjhsoton wrote:Flats and HMO's may been regarded with different priority to houses, because of the level of rubbish that builds up with multiple occupants
We have just had one of the contractors down my road "fiveways"
i thought they were clearing just the excess rubbish beside bins but a few propertys (polish residents) also had thier wheelie bins done aswell
i suppose the guys doing it were polish so were looking after thier own
if your gonna do some do them all is that not being rascist wot about the english and all other nationallities living down the road why did you not do all the bins
I dont think there is any need to jump to bizarre conclusions
Or perhaps they had put in a complaint and had been prioritised because of it.
sotonbusdriver
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4:15pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Advertise the jobs on DIRECT.GOV website...
IF they don't want to work they don't have to. Plenty of peopl out there that are happy to work...
mallygp
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4:25pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
IronLady2010
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4:31pm Thu 7 Jul 11
mallygp wrote:The poor bin men are probably so demoralised as they know they have been stitched up by the Unions they just want to get back to normal. This is no excuse to do half a job, but the unions have a habbit of making people feel worthless! I think most of Southamptons residents when they have seen the rubbish in the street feel worthless too.
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
Glad to see a few regular parking attendants today breaking the strike though!
DJ Teh
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4:32pm Thu 7 Jul 11
1. What do I do if I have extra bin bags outside of my main bin?
Extra bags of waste left outside of your bin may not be collected due to the ongoing industrial action. When crews return to work your collection day may be different to your usual day but they will collect as much as possible. We ask that, if you can, you take any extra bags to the household waste recycling centre at Endle Street (off Albert Road North) Southampton, or Grange Road, Netley. These sites are open from 8am - 7pm seven days a week. If you are unable to do this please stamp down and flatten your waste so you can fit more into your bin.
Dasal
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4:33pm Thu 7 Jul 11
mallygp wrote:"Working to rule" ............. covers a multitude of sins !!
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que. Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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4:34pm Thu 7 Jul 11
mallygp wrote:ah, I guess that would be because they are on a work to rule, and won't pick up side waste (i.e. any bags or rubbish outside of a wheely bin)
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
I would suggest you either report it to your local councillor (ideally conservative if you want some action) so they can send round the contractors to sort it out, or put the side waste in the now empty wheely bins, and leave it there till the miraculous second coming of the binmen, and keep the fresh cleanly and securely bagged waste aside to take down to the local recycling centre by car, as for all we know the strikes may continue for a while yet.
Northam Lady
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4:47pm Thu 7 Jul 11
OSPREYSAINT
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4:48pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Spot on Splt, as for MGRA saying that the binmen were taunting people, not so around my way, just light hearted banter and the street is looking quite pristine apart from the recycling bins which haven't been emptied in six weeks, my neiighborhood has been very disciplined with their refuse, others could do the same.
together wrote:
mallygp wrote:ah, I guess that would be because they are on a work to rule, and won't pick up side waste (i.e. any bags or rubbish outside of a wheely bin)
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
I would suggest you either report it to your local councillor (ideally conservative if you want some action) so they can send round the contractors to sort it out, or put the side waste in the now empty wheely bins, and leave it there till the miraculous second coming of the binmen, and keep the fresh cleanly and securely bagged waste aside to take down to the local recycling centre by car, as for all we know the strikes may continue for a while yet.
MGRA
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4:50pm Thu 7 Jul 11
mallygp wrote:I watched them do this laughing near peartree green... some one accused them of deliberately busting bags and littering... But this is what you get with unions, the lemmings are only doing what they are told. They are like wind-up toys.. I guess its why they are bin men and not feverishly trying to invent cold fusion. When I was a kid the bin men always got a christmas tip, the only tip they'll get these days is "try working for a living"
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
IronLady2010
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4:51pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Northam Lady wrote:They won't be sacked, I bet all of them have signed the new contract. Afterall, the Unions have advised them to sign them but are also advising them to keep striking which makes no sense as they seem to think they can win a tribunal case. They appear to want to destroy Southampton, it's residents and it's workers.
Why don't the bin men (sorry - Unions) just admit defeat -they do NOT have the support of the local people - They will be sacked next week - plenty of people looking for work...I believe the majority of residents have had enough now and look out for Liverpool ...
So let them try! Then watch the residents start to stand up for themselves!
OSPREYSAINT
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4:54pm Thu 7 Jul 11
IronLady2010 wrote:I guess you would like jackbooted stormtroopers beating the binmen down? Do you feel worthless because your bin hasn't been emptied? I consider you worthless for your draconian views about people with a genuine grievance.
mallygp wrote:The poor bin men are probably so demoralised as they know they have been stitched up by the Unions they just want to get back to normal. This is no excuse to do half a job, but the unions have a habbit of making people feel worthless! I think most of Southamptons residents when they have seen the rubbish in the street feel worthless too.
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
Glad to see a few regular parking attendants today breaking the strike though!
dango
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5:03pm Thu 7 Jul 11
hatpacker
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5:05pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Hello Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
bobbyboy,
If the council scrapped the changes to the terms and conditions of employment in the contracts (pay etc), which is what would be required to scrap the notice period, they would be back to the drawing board, opening everything up to protracted negotiations with the unions, which is exactly what the unions want.
It would waste a lot of time, and the unions would do their best to negotiate away any savings.
Well that cant happen, the council as I understand it have already moved as far as they can with their latest offer, and have said there is no scope to improve it farther.
It's down to the unions to accept the deal as it stands, something they dont seem prepared to do.
One side has been accommodating, guess which one? The council.
I am amazed the unions members arent furious with their 'negotiators'? Maybe an increasing number of them are?
together, you couldn't answer my simple question as to 'how will the thousands of redundancies up & down the country solve the economic situation we are in?' on another thread. So, let me ask you something else? Given all the things you have written on this threads and others how might Sotonians pull together?
OSPREYSAINT
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5:17pm Thu 7 Jul 11
dango wrote:They don't appear to have a Union to support them so unless they obey orders they could have their contracts terminated and reissued on worse terms I suggest you don't go there.
Jackbooted stormtroopers, are the vacancies on direct.gov yet so I can e-mail my interest!!!!
dango
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5:20pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Northam Lady
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5:20pm Thu 7 Jul 11
OSPREYSAINT
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5:34pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Northam Lady
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6:05pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Who's laughing now
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6:12pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Brite Spark wrote:That's a Unesco World Heritage Site to you with a World Class Waterfront! Enjoy your binbag mountain!
It's high summer (though one wouldn't think so looking out of the window today). Southampton has been looking for its wow factor for many years, but because of the thousands of tons of stinking and rotting rubbish on the streets, any visitors to the city will come across our 'fowl factor'. What a disgrace the city has become, it's so disgusting that anyone who has decided to visit the city is very unlikely to want to come back in a hurry. We're making Liverpool look smart at the moment!
OSPREYSAINT
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7:07pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Northam Lady wrote:If you are sick to death with Politics why are you making Political comments? Please can the people of Southampton get together and kick out the current ineffective Council?
I'm sick to death of the Politics - I do not have time for Royston Smith - can't stand the man - unfortunately neither of our MP's are doing us any good either - PLEASE can the people of Southampton get together and show we will not be disgraced by a minority...PLEASE can the majority of Southampton citizens get together and tell them where to GO!
dango
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8:11pm Thu 7 Jul 11
OSPREYSAINT
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8:23pm Thu 7 Jul 11
StuKeith
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8:37pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
dango
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8:39pm Thu 7 Jul 11
dango
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8:42pm Thu 7 Jul 11
StuKeith wrote:Well, don't you think you should have done something about the situation yourself sooner, rather than letting it rot? Or is that "someone else's job, they get paid for it"? If it aint gettin done, do it yourself, man!
Ive taken some rubbish to the dump. B4 I moved in on 1st june! Thats how long this is gone on!
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
IronLady2010
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8:57pm Thu 7 Jul 11
dango wrote:Don't forget 13 years of being pampered, it takes a while to adjust.
StuKeith wrote:Well, don't you think you should have done something about the situation yourself sooner, rather than letting it rot? Or is that "someone else's job, they get paid for it"? If it aint gettin done, do it yourself, man!
Ive taken some rubbish to the dump. B4 I moved in on 1st june! Thats how long this is gone on!
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
dango
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9:14pm Thu 7 Jul 11
IronLady2010 wrote:Ah yes, forgive me IL, temporary loss of memory brought on by a Mojito there. Of course, the nanny state which has so effectively led and pampered the mindless masses for so long was almost completely forgotten for a wee while there!
dango wrote:Don't forget 13 years of being pampered, it takes a while to adjust.
StuKeith wrote:Well, don't you think you should have done something about the situation yourself sooner, rather than letting it rot? Or is that "someone else's job, they get paid for it"? If it aint gettin done, do it yourself, man!
Ive taken some rubbish to the dump. B4 I moved in on 1st june! Thats how long this is gone on!
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
s/w used-user, WTF!!
davesbabe
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11:15pm Thu 7 Jul 11
Poppy22
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11:35pm Thu 7 Jul 11
What's abundantly clear is that there are an awful lot of people in Southampton (refuse workers, Union members, Council members and some residents) who have no pride in their City, otherwise things wouldn't be this bad.
Portsmouth & Gun Wharf Quays must be doing a roaring trade now as who'd want to come into a stinking City??
OSPREYSAINT
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7:12am Fri 8 Jul 11
Bronson69
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8:51am Fri 8 Jul 11
BMWDellboy wrote:****
As I live in the New Forest area run by NFDC all is fine in my locality thanks to a smooth running council and dedicated workers.
hatpacker
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9:30am Fri 8 Jul 11
Poppy22 wrote:I don't know about you but of all the people you list I haven't seen one of then throwing rubbish into the street.
Isn't it about time the Council's "contingency plans" were brought in? Or the Army?? (I'm sure in the "old days" the Army came in to clear rubbish during strikes).
What's abundantly clear is that there are an awful lot of people in Southampton (refuse workers, Union members, Council members and some residents) who have no pride in their City, otherwise things wouldn't be this bad.
Portsmouth & Gun Wharf Quays must be doing a roaring trade now as who'd want to come into a stinking City??
If you don't want the smell then do as I do put your rubbish in to a bin bag, tie it and then (here's the clever bit), put it in another bin bag ~ job done. A much better way than thinking a brown carrier bag, supplied by a high street retailer will be a suitable rubbish bag once you've got it home.
hatpacker
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9:46am Fri 8 Jul 11
Northam Lady wrote:You don't fancy helping with a quick tidy up over the week-end then? 'It's a disgrace', it certainly is the way people just throw their rubbish outside there front doors in the hope that the rubbish fairies will clear it away.
As I have said before; let Soton residents make our voices heard - we do NOT support these strikes, we wish to promote our City as a place where we welcome visitors, not subject them to this disgusting mess..How on earth do we promote our City when this is going on?? It is a disgrace...
hatpacker
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9:58am Fri 8 Jul 11
IronLady2010 wrote:If you were to go to the Town Depot you might change your mind about who it is that is demoralised. The Civil Enforcement Officers did not break the strike they, like most of the Council workers, are working to rule. They will be out on strike soon though. Also there is a rally & demonstration on Wednesday next leaving Andrew's Park at 1:00pm, come along, bring a vuvuzela & make some noise!
mallygp wrote:The poor bin men are probably so demoralised as they know they have been stitched up by the Unions they just want to get back to normal. This is no excuse to do half a job, but the unions have a habbit of making people feel worthless! I think most of Southamptons residents when they have seen the rubbish in the street feel worthless too.
Just had our bin emptied. Then spent the last 30 minutes outside cleaning up after them. The sacks which we had placed on top of the bins had been thrown on the floor spilling the contents of one. Well done guys. You know what. With sloppy service like that how do you expect to get public support. Oh by the way, also stop whinning about how you do the job that others do not want to do. At the end of the day I wouldn't like wiping the bottom of an elderly person. Which is why I'm not a career. No one bloody forced you to become bin men. You took the job as probably your family has a long line history of bin men. Do the job you signed up to do and also to your best abilities. If you don't like it then join the dole que.
Oh and too the supporters of the bin men who will no doubt post about my bin bags....yes we know they are only collecting what is in the wheelie bin. Bags were sat on top as advised on the Southampton CC website. I didn't feel targeted also by there inconsiderate act. The rest of the street was treated in the same manor. This morning all bins were neatly parked outside houses with black bags on top. Now bins are littered here and there and rubbish sacks strewn across the paths.
Glad to see a few regular parking attendants today breaking the strike though!
Raxx
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10:16am Fri 8 Jul 11
Exiled Saint - front line eastern outpost of Gosport
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12:02pm Fri 8 Jul 11
hatpacker wrote:Rubbish Fairies? get real. Why should anyone "help out" what do you think we pay a "Council tax" for??
Northam Lady wrote:You don't fancy helping with a quick tidy up over the week-end then? 'It's a disgrace', it certainly is the way people just throw their rubbish outside there front doors in the hope that the rubbish fairies will clear it away.
As I have said before; let Soton residents make our voices heard - we do NOT support these strikes, we wish to promote our City as a place where we welcome visitors, not subject them to this disgusting mess..How on earth do we promote our City when this is going on?? It is a disgrace...
Brusher Mills
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1:00pm Fri 8 Jul 11
BMWDellboy wrote:Here, here
As I live in the New Forest area run by NFDC all is fine in my locality thanks to a smooth running council and dedicated workers.
Hantsdan
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1:03pm Fri 8 Jul 11
shame on you southampton
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2:11pm Fri 8 Jul 11
Hope it's worth it bin men!!!
southy
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2:17pm Fri 8 Jul 11
Seems support is growing for the Strikers still.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:23pm Fri 8 Jul 11
Northam Lady wrote:Well said ( and dream on Southy!)
As I have said before; let Soton residents make our voices heard - we do NOT support these strikes, we wish to promote our City as a place where we welcome visitors, not subject them to this disgusting mess..How on earth do we promote our City when this is going on?? It is a disgrace...
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:26pm Fri 8 Jul 11
StuKeith wrote:It just shows the human cost of the disgraceful and selfish behaviour of the unions and strikers.
Ive taken some rubbish to the dump. B4 I moved in on 1st june! Thats how long this is gone on!
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
Shame on you strikers! Shame on you!
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:29pm Fri 8 Jul 11
StuKeith wrote:StuKeith - I would make your case to your local councillor direct I would be very surprised if it was not revolved very quickly.
Ive taken some rubbish to the dump. B4 I moved in on 1st june! Thats how long this is gone on!
Now we have maggots and all 3 of our bins were set fire too and there is no way I will put this into my car! my Mum in law is also a transplant paitient and cant touch the rubbish! the flys and maggots are coming into the house.
You could try speaking the council, but as you could end up speaking to a union sympathiser, it may not be worth the trouble.
rainbowsend
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2:41pm Fri 8 Jul 11
shame on you southampton
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3:29pm Fri 8 Jul 11
shame on you southampton
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3:36pm Fri 8 Jul 11
kevpomp
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7:58pm Fri 8 Jul 11
As for the union action, get back to work. With so many out of work you should be greatful of a job.
dougdsmnt2209
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8:10am Sat 9 Jul 11
go ahead punk make my day
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9:17pm Sat 9 Jul 11
go ahead punk make my day
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9:58pm Sat 9 Jul 11
StEmmosfire says...
11:02am Thu 7 Jul 11