Fluoride may not reach most deprived areas (From Daily Echo)

Yet another joke from the power that be!

Brilliant, so the areas where people are capable of looking after their teeth are still going to be forced medicated and the areas in which the argument was intended is not going to receive the treatment. This exposes a terribly planned idea that has not been thought through. The majority of us are more than capable of looking after ourselves and we don’t need to be force medicated by the state. This is a total outrage and Sotonians should speak out and demand that our water is not tampered with.

I dont bladdy well want flouride in my water?!"?!??!?!!! Since when can people start forcing mass medication on us?!?!?!!? Flouride is freaking toxic!!!!!! If it does go ahead I may well move to an area that is not getting it!!!!!!!

has tooth paste reached these areas? If parents don't look after their kids teeth they should be made to change their ways. Why should I be poisoned so a feckless parent can devolve their duty?

Check this out for the damage flouride can cause, if using it when pregnant it can cause damage to your unborn babies brain!!!!

http://indianinthema
chine.wordpress.com/
2011/07/12/natural-n
ews-fluoride-consump
tion-leads-to-brain-
damage-says-study/

"It is also worth mentioning that the April 12, 2010, issue of TIME magazine lists fluoride as one of the “Top Ten Common Household Toxins.” Dubbing fluoride “neurotoxic and potentially tumorigenic if swallowed,” and it is difficult to determine how anyone can suggest that adding such a chemical to drinking water is in any way beneficial.

Fluoride can be toxic by ingesting one part per million (ppm), and the effects are not immediate, as they can take 20 years or more to become evident,” adds the new report."

If you want more infro then check out natural news dot com!! It is an american sight but they already have flouride in some of their water!

I so hope I live in one of the areas that will not have flouride added. What would really help children in poorer areas are more NHS dentists, not a toxin added to our water. It is beyond belief that this dictatorship, (because democracy is certainly not at work here), is allowed to be. My body is not a dumping ground for a waste chemical thank- you.

@ Artina - Democracy is having the freedom to choose your dictator!!!!

I wonder how many people will comment on this article being "for" the chemical added to our water!?!?

Artina wrote:
I so hope I live in one of the areas that will not have flouride added. What would really help children in poorer areas are more NHS dentists, not a toxin added to our water. It is beyond belief that this dictatorship, (because democracy is certainly not at work here), is allowed to be. My body is not a dumping ground for a waste chemical thank- you.

I cant help feel that the Council have struck a deal with Buxton.

The Rising Phoenix wrote:
Yet another joke from the power that be!

How very enlightening & informative.

ColaCola wrote:
@ Artina - Democracy is having the freedom to choose your dictator!!!! I wonder how many people will comment on this article being "for" the chemical added to our water!?!?

Could the parent that cant look after it's child teeth be able to operate a computer?

StEmmosfire wrote:

ColaCola wrote: @ Artina - Democracy is having the freedom to choose your dictator!!!! I wonder how many people will comment on this article being "for" the chemical added to our water!?!?

Could the parent that cant look after it's child teeth be able to operate a computer?

I expect so. Most of them (and I know because I have lived in these areas) are capable of looking after themselves and their children but they choose to have Sky TV instead of paying for food and toothpaste etc.

Actually - that came out wrong - to clarify - most people in "poor areas" look after their children and themselves fine, the ones that don't look after their childrens health etc are the ones I was referring to when I said "most of them....."

Most student ghettoes are classed by the Council as deprived areas due to the low income per household and you will not find many children living there.
The whole nonsense of fluoride forced upon the residents is a national disgrace.

Here's what will happen.

In ten years time those of us lucky enough to have been poisoned by the local water company (as ordered by the SHA) receive huge payouts for ruined health.

s/w = body-fail

Which body? - the SHA or mine?

Time to scrap these proposals. It is unbelievable that the proposals are being imposed upon us, after it is been rejected in the consultation, and now it is clear that the cost benefit case has not even been adequately thought through. Surely this should have been done even before the proposals were put to consultation?

Time for the government to stand up for the Big Society and scrap these plans.

If the Big Society is not about listening to the views of residents, then it is nothing.

Where are the local conservative MP's, councillors, and candidates in this? They must DEMAND that central government step in to set aside the plans.

Surely to step in to champion the views of the people would be a massive vote winner?

I cannot understand why we have not seen more decisive action against these proposals from government.

I believe local residents should lobby local MP's, constituency parties, Grant Shapps (Local Government minister), and cabinet office minister for civil society Nick Hurd and the the big society "tsar", Lord Wei

Surely some populist policies to support the wishes of local residents is just what the Big Society needs right now?

We should demand that our local conservative councillors are seen to be pressing their central government colleagues over this matter.

And what about our Lib Dem coalition partners? Surely liberal values demand that people should be free to reject forced medication?

This is a scandal, and we should not let this story fizzle out.

When fluoride was given the go-ahead in the Midlands, it did not go to all areas at once. The area gradually increased.

Those that do not receive it first will have to exercise a bit of patience.

Fluoridation not only causes cancer, brittle bones, etc., (see www.fluoridealert.or
g) but is an absolute waste of tax money.

People drink only 1/2% (one-half percent) of the water they use. The remaining 99 ½ % of this toxic chemical is dumped directly into our environment.

For example, for every $1000 of fluoride chemical added to water, $995 would be directly wasted down the drain in toilets, showers, dishwashers, etc., $5 would be consumed in water by the people, and less than $0.50 (fifty cents) would be consumed by children, the target group. If you doubt any of this, check with your water department.

That would be comparable to taking 1 gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink.

Can you think of a more wasteful government program? Giving away fluoride tablets free to anyone who wants them would be far cheaper and certainly more ethical because then we would have the freedom to choose.

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Time to scrap these proposals. It is unbelievable that the proposals are being imposed upon us, after it is been rejected in the consultation, and now it is clear that the cost benefit case has not even been adequately thought through. Surely this should have been done even before the proposals were put to consultation?

Time for the government to stand up for the Big Society and scrap these plans.

If the Big Society is not about listening to the views of residents, then it is nothing.

Where are the local conservative MP's, councillors, and candidates in this? They must DEMAND that central government step in to set aside the plans.

Surely to step in to champion the views of the people would be a massive vote winner?

I cannot understand why we have not seen more decisive action against these proposals from government.

I believe local residents should lobby local MP's, constituency parties, Grant Shapps (Local Government minister), and cabinet office minister for civil society Nick Hurd and the the big society "tsar", Lord Wei

Surely some populist policies to support the wishes of local residents is just what the Big Society needs right now?

We should demand that our local conservative councillors are seen to be pressing their central government colleagues over this matter.

And what about our Lib Dem coalition partners? Surely liberal values demand that people should be free to reject forced medication?

This is a scandal, and we should not let this story fizzle out.

Then you obviously dont remember the statements made by the Tory leader at that time:-
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Quote:- Echo 22nd July 2010………Before the election, Mr Lansley and Tory leader David Cameron voiced concerns over the SHA’s consultation and questioned if the scheme should be going ahead in the face of public opposition.
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Earlier in the month Clegg had this to say:-
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Quote:-Echo 8th July 2010…….In the past, Lib Dem leader Mr Clegg has also expressed his opposition to the way fluoridation is being introduced in Hampshire.
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And even earlier that that ......... To win votes ......
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Quote ;-Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal.
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So this ConDemolition and its leaders know full well whats going on and have done NOTHING.
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All this despite the pre-election, vote catching, garbage.
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Oh yes and before one or two of you jump on the bandwagon, Smith was in favour of it until he heard a few moises from the people then decisded to sit on the fence. Denham and Whitehead were totally against it

Several years ago, I visited an area which is unfortunate enough to have fluoridated water. None of the local shops stocked unfluoridated toothpaste. The local people were obviously getting a double dose of fluoride. I wonder what sort of health authority they had. Obviously one that didn't care much about the people whose health they were supposed to be looking after.

I note you do not mention which area you visited.

Birmingham's water has had fluoride added since 1964. Perhaps you could tell me what the detrimental effects it has had on their health, and also name the source of your information.

Rob444 wrote:
Several years ago, I visited an area which is unfortunate enough to have fluoridated water. None of the local shops stocked unfluoridated toothpaste. The local people were obviously getting a double dose of fluoride. I wonder what sort of health authority they had. Obviously one that didn't care much about the people whose health they were supposed to be looking after.

The town was Buxton, Derbyshire. This area has been described as the East Midlands, Peak District and North West, among others.

jwillie6 , Lafayette, LA, USA wrote:

"Giving away fluoride tablets free to anyone who wants them would be far cheaper and certainly more ethical because then we would have the freedom to choose."

The fact that the SHA is not doing this, but wants to mass medicate us all, suggests that they have an ulterior motive. It's a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. WE pay the SHA's wages, but have no say in what they (who are our servants) should do.

The people of Southampton have made their collective wishes known, so why are we being ignored?

Talk about little Hitlers!

Rob444 wrote:

Rob444 wrote:
Several years ago, I visited an area which is unfortunate enough to have fluoridated water. None of the local shops stocked unfluoridated toothpaste. The local people were obviously getting a double dose of fluoride. I wonder what sort of health authority they had. Obviously one that didn't care much about the people whose health they were supposed to be looking after.

The town was Buxton, Derbyshire. This area has been described as the East Midlands, Peak District and North West, among others.

OK! So what detrimental effects were they suffering from?

Fluoride fights cavities Jim but not as we know it
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Question.. How does fluoride in toothpaste/mouthwash
/drinking water fight cavities if the protective shield it forms on teeth is up to 100 times thinner than previously believed?
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Answer.. Fluoride is a toxin be it natural or industrial, fat production is a healthy bodies answer to toxins, the overwhelming majority of people who gain weight due to fluoride poisoning go onto eat less tooth decaying food, sugar etc, thus fluoride fights cavities Jim but not as we know it

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References, UK obesity and fluoridation maps all easily found on the web
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Does fluoride really fight cavities..http://tin
yurl.com/3nftjp
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UK Pollution can make you fat..http://tinyurl.
com/3wbthyg
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Is industrial pollution making America fat?..http://tinyurl
.com/3plzvu
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Video, Obesity-Causing Pollutants.. http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=gA0e5aaIO
0M
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UK Map, Prevalence of healthy weight..http://www.n
oo.org.uk/uploads/do
c/vid_9109_0910_NCMP
_Prevalence.pdf
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UK Map, naturally fluoridated regions..http://wmaf
.org.uk/userfiles/Fl
uoridated%20countrie
s%20v6.pdf
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Fluoride blocks thyroid function, symptoms include weight gain, depression, aggression..http://w
ww.rense.com/general
93/fluo.htm
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Places in Southampton where fresh air has become a rare commodity... http://tinyurl.com/3
gfpwf3
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OBESITY costs Southampton a staggering £147m every year.. http://tinyurl.com/3
gly7zb
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Regarding Southampton's deprived areas, I got interested in the fluoridation debt when I was informed that Southern Waters external stopcock is connected to my internal one Via 80 feet of decaying 100 year old lead piping, similar to 70% of Southampton's older inner city houses
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back in 2005 I emailed and informed MP Alan Whitehead that exposure to lead via a water supply may worsen alcohol drinking-related illnesses i.e. liver cirrhosis, a problem that seemed to concern him.. http://archive.daily
echo.co.uk/2005/3/5/
10623.html
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I didn't expect a reply and I never received one.

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoride fights cavities Jim but not as we know it . Question.. How does fluoride in toothpaste/mouthwash /drinking water fight cavities if the protective shield it forms on teeth is up to 100 times thinner than previously believed? . Answer.. Fluoride is a toxin be it natural or industrial, fat production is a healthy bodies answer to toxins, the overwhelming majority of people who gain weight due to fluoride poisoning go onto eat less tooth decaying food, sugar etc, thus fluoride fights cavities Jim but not as we know it . References, UK obesity and fluoridation maps all easily found on the web . Does fluoride really fight cavities..http://tin yurl.com/3nftjp . UK Pollution can make you fat..http://tinyurl. com/3wbthyg . Is industrial pollution making America fat?..http://tinyurl .com/3plzvu . Video, Obesity-Causing Pollutants.. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=gA0e5aaIO 0M . UK Map, Prevalence of healthy weight..http://www.n oo.org.uk/uploads/do c/vid_9109_0910_NCMP _Prevalence.pdf . UK Map, naturally fluoridated regions..http://wmaf .org.uk/userfiles/Fl uoridated%20countrie s%20v6.pdf . Fluoride blocks thyroid function, symptoms include weight gain, depression, aggression..http://w ww.rense.com/general 93/fluo.htm . Places in Southampton where fresh air has become a rare commodity... http://tinyurl.com/3 gfpwf3 . OBESITY costs Southampton a staggering £147m every year.. http://tinyurl.com/3 gly7zb . . Regarding Southampton's deprived areas, I got interested in the fluoridation debt when I was informed that Southern Waters external stopcock is connected to my internal one Via 80 feet of decaying 100 year old lead piping, similar to 70% of Southampton's older inner city houses . back in 2005 I emailed and informed MP Alan Whitehead that exposure to lead via a water supply may worsen alcohol drinking-related illnesses i.e. liver cirrhosis, a problem that seemed to concern him.. http://archive.daily echo.co.uk/2005/3/5/ 10623.html . I didn't expect a reply and I never received one.

apologies for previous posts broken url

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Does fluoride really fight cavities by “the skin of the teeth?”
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December 15, 2010
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In a study that the authors describe as lending credence to the idiom, “by the skin of your teeth,” scientists are reporting that the protective shield fluoride forms on teeth is up to 100 times thinner than previously believed. It raises questions about how this renowned cavity-fighter really works and could lead to better ways of protecting teeth from decay, the scientists suggest. Their study appears in ACS’ journal Langmuir.
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Frank Müller and colleagues point out that tooth decay is a major public health problem worldwide. In the United States alone, consumers spend more than $50 billion each year on the treatment of cavities. The fluoride in some toothpaste, mouthwash and municipal drinking water is one of the most effective ways to prevent decay. Scientists long have known that fluoride makes enamel — the hard white substance covering the surface of teeth — more resistant to decay. Some thought that fluoride simply changed the main mineral in enamel, hydroxyapatite, into a more-decay resistant material called fluorapatite.
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The new research found that the fluorapatite layer formed in this way is only 6 nanometers thick. It would take almost 10,000 such layers to span the width of a human hair. That’s at least 10 times thinner than previous studies indicated. The scientists question whether a layer so thin, which is quickly worn away by ordinary chewing, really can shield teeth from decay, or whether fluoride has some other unrecognized effect on tooth enamel. They are launching a new study in search of an answer.

http://tinyurl.com/3
nftjpr