Union legal claim postponed as strike talks progress (From Daily Echo)
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Union legal claim postponed after Southampton City Council strike talks progress
11:21am Tuesday 9th August 2011 in News
A £12.5m legal claim by the unions has been postponed as progress was made in direct talks with Southampton council chiefs to end crippling strikes.
Talks broke up yesterday for union negotiators to take a possible deal back to a mass meeting of members tomorrow as hundreds of social care workers are due to join striking bin men and street cleaners in a one-day walkout.
The details of the possible agreement were being kept under wraps last night but pressure is mounting as legal protection from dismissal for striking workers will run out at the start of next week.
Residents associations across the city have demanded an end to the bitter industrial dispute over pay cuts – now in its 12th week.
The talks resumed yesterday after a first hearing for an employment tribunal claim was postponed at the request of the council with no new date fixed yet.
Unions’ claim that the council failed to consult on its plan to dismiss workers if they did not sign up to worse contracts.
The council said it needed more time to prepare. Unions stressed the claim has not been withdrawn.
Up to 2,400 members of the Unite and Unison unions are continuing industrial action over cuts to their pay and conditions brought in on July 11 under threat of dismissal.
More than 300 social care staff, including adult and children’s social workers, voted to join ongoing strike action tomorrow after a one-day walkout last week. It was planned to coincide with the start of an Ofsted inspection of the council’s services for children.
Around 50 members of the council’s fostering, adoption and residential childcare teams are already on strike.
The council says the pay cuts will protect 400 jobs as it seeks to find savings of more than £75m over the next four years.
Council officials say they are confident they can defend the tribunal claim but admit it could cost the council £12.5m plus costs if they lost – wiping out savings from the pay cuts.
Neither the council nor the unions would comment on the latest round of talks last night.
Earlier talks through mediation service ACAS collapsed in stalemate despite a final offer from the council to lift half the workforce – those earning less than £22,000, including most bin men – from its cuts.
New contracts brought in four weeks ago cut the salary of workers earning over £17,500 by between two and 5.5 per cent, depending on earnings. Pay rises were also frozen for two years.
Comments(40)
The Rising Phoenix
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11:49am Tue 9 Aug 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_Did you even read the story Roy?
together wrote:
Sounds like the unions realise they are unlikely to succeed in their legal action. Time for a face saving deal for the union reps?
The legal action is still going ahead, they postponed the pre trial hearing to allow council more time to prepare, this is likely due to the 1,000's of unfair dismissal claims coming in.
And it shows that the union ares still willing to negotiate if the Council want to start to.
I hope the council will negotiate and the dispute is bought to an end, either way the claims will still be in and more are coming, council need to think carefully about how they proceed as they have already borrowed £5m and the proceedings could cost over £12m.
If the council has so little money, then can it even afford to go to tribunal? even if the judgement is found in their favour? Rambo may be getting twitchy!
loosehead
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12:25pm Tue 9 Aug 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:Did you read the article? It said the unions were putting forward a possible deal to it's members so that concludes if the unions are happy the council are happy then the members accept the deal there will be no more negotiations & no need for a costly court case.so the council have asked for it to be postponed as this could save both unions & council money.I hope the members accept the deal tomorrow & it's over.Pheonix we had contract workers for the first time yesterday & people were coming out saying how good they were & hoping the council will keep them.the writings on the wall it would be in the workers best interest to accept this proposal if the unions agree with it.
Sotonians_lets_pull_Did you even read the story Roy?
together wrote:
Sounds like the unions realise they are unlikely to succeed in their legal action. Time for a face saving deal for the union reps?
The legal action is still going ahead, they postponed the pre trial hearing to allow council more time to prepare, this is likely due to the 1,000's of unfair dismissal claims coming in.
And it shows that the union ares still willing to negotiate if the Council want to start to.
I hope the council will negotiate and the dispute is bought to an end, either way the claims will still be in and more are coming, council need to think carefully about how they proceed as they have already borrowed £5m and the proceedings could cost over £12m.
If the council has so little money, then can it even afford to go to tribunal? even if the judgement is found in their favour? Rambo may be getting twitchy!
townieboy
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12:27pm Tue 9 Aug 11
The Rising Phoenix
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12:34pm Tue 9 Aug 11
loosehead wrote:I did read the article, and I happen to know the legal challenge will go ahead as i dont see the council taking back the T&Cs and they have breached the law, whether they agree a settlement over the industrial action or not, the fact remains Southampton City Council broke the law and all claims recieved will go ahead.
The Rising Phoenix wrote:Did you read the article? It said the unions were putting forward a possible deal to it's members so that concludes if the unions are happy the council are happy then the members accept the deal there will be no more negotiations & no need for a costly court case.so the council have asked for it to be postponed as this could save both unions & council money.I hope the members accept the deal tomorrow & it's over.Pheonix we had contract workers for the first time yesterday & people were coming out saying how good they were & hoping the council will keep them.the writings on the wall it would be in the workers best interest to accept this proposal if the unions agree with it.Sotonians_lets_pull_ together wrote: Sounds like the unions realise they are unlikely to succeed in their legal action. Time for a face saving deal for the union reps?Did you even read the story Roy? The legal action is still going ahead, they postponed the pre trial hearing to allow council more time to prepare, this is likely due to the 1,000's of unfair dismissal claims coming in. And it shows that the union ares still willing to negotiate if the Council want to start to. I hope the council will negotiate and the dispute is bought to an end, either way the claims will still be in and more are coming, council need to think carefully about how they proceed as they have already borrowed £5m and the proceedings could cost over £12m. If the council has so little money, then can it even afford to go to tribunal? even if the judgement is found in their favour? Rambo may be getting twitchy!
Break the law, pay the price...
Lone Ranger.
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12:38pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Sotonians_lets_pull_I would suggest after reading it that the Council are getting nervous of the £12.5m claim which, according to the editorial said............... . . "Unions stressed the claim has not been withdrawn.
together wrote:
Sounds like the unions realise they are unlikely to succeed in their legal action.
Time for a face saving deal for the union reps?
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Perhaps time for a face saving deal from Royston. ..........
George4th
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1:03pm Tue 9 Aug 11
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Now would be a good time for all the Unions Reps, up to National level, to disclose their salaries and Pension rights..............
The Rising Phoenix
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1:20pm Tue 9 Aug 11
George4th wrote:Interesting definition of 'lost'! perhaps a dictionary may help you.
The Unions have lost................ ...... > Now would be a good time for all the Unions Reps, up to National level, to disclose their salaries and Pension rights..............
Why stop at union reps? Why not make it everyone who earns over £100k disclose, or £50k.
I'm not sure how that will help, unless you want to increase their tax rates.
MGRA
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1:48pm Tue 9 Aug 11
tootle
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2:18pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Maybe the Unions and council and workers should consider this. Cuts to terms and conditions are deemed necessary to balance the budget if we are to save jobs and retain service levels - in the short term. In the long term there will be more job losses and more cuts, of that I have no doubt. HOWEVER if the Union go ahead with the legal challenge that will wipe out this years savings, so more job losses and service cuts will happen sooner.
So nobody is going to be happy., except the Unions.
George4th
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2:55pm Tue 9 Aug 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I just thought it would be of interest to see if they were good value for money!
George4th wrote:Interesting definition of 'lost'! perhaps a dictionary may help you.
The Unions have lost................ ...... > Now would be a good time for all the Unions Reps, up to National level, to disclose their salaries and Pension rights..............
Why stop at union reps? Why not make it everyone who earns over £100k disclose, or £50k.
I'm not sure how that will help, unless you want to increase their tax rates.
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I'm sure many of the Council staff would like to know................
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The Rising Phoenix
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3:05pm Tue 9 Aug 11
tootle wrote:Note: the legal action is each member's own decision. If they feel cheated and wronged then they will find law is on their side and why shouldnt they fight back? They didnt cause this mess but they are the ones paying for it.
Personally, all I've suffered is a little inconvenience. The Council appear to have been ineffective and I'm not impressed. the Unions have been power grabbing and I'm even more not impressed. The workforce, mostly, appear to be a rather large flock of sheep though much less use to me that a flock of sheep would be. Maybe the Unions and council and workers should consider this. Cuts to terms and conditions are deemed necessary to balance the budget if we are to save jobs and retain service levels - in the short term. In the long term there will be more job losses and more cuts, of that I have no doubt. HOWEVER if the Union go ahead with the legal challenge that will wipe out this years savings, so more job losses and service cuts will happen sooner. So nobody is going to be happy., except the Unions.
And i'm sorry retain services?... What services, most vital services to the vulnerable have been scrapped and other teams are running with a skeleton crew and are being over worked... until more redundencies arrive and then services will not be able to maintain any where near the service levels it curently delivers. It will be the residents and users of SCC facilities and services who will suffer, mean while Rambo will be sitting smug at his desk, Or workers can stand up for their rights.
The Rising Phoenix
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3:13pm Tue 9 Aug 11
George4th wrote:If they win - then yeah good value for money, if they lose then perhaps they cannot justify their inflated wages. Personally i think they are on way too much, if what other users have been posting is correct, i dont know i'm not their accountant. But are they on inflated wages in comparison with the public sector and similar jobs?
The Rising Phoenix wrote:I just thought it would be of interest to see if they were good value for money! > I'm sure many of the Council staff would like to know................ .........George4th wrote: The Unions have lost................ ...... > Now would be a good time for all the Unions Reps, up to National level, to disclose their salaries and Pension rights..............Interesting definition of 'lost'! perhaps a dictionary may help you. Why stop at union reps? Why not make it everyone who earns over £100k disclose, or £50k. I'm not sure how that will help, unless you want to increase their tax rates.
anyone over £50k is living quite comfortably is there need for more money? Nope but Greed is everywhere...
George4th
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4:32pm Tue 9 Aug 11
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I'm sure many of the Council staff would like to know................
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Lone Ranger.
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4:35pm Tue 9 Aug 11
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
OSPREYSAINT
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4:47pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Ant Smoking MP
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5:55pm Tue 9 Aug 11
George4th
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6:01pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
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However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
Lone Ranger.
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6:17pm Tue 9 Aug 11
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
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However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
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Ant Smoking MP
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7:00pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:The Echo poll was corrupted by Tory/pro council people rigging the poll. The fact that the unions were more organised than opponents to get the support was intelligent and correct. At least they didnt rig it.
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
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However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
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Northam Lady
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7:15pm Tue 9 Aug 11
loosehead
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9:44pm Tue 9 Aug 11
George4th
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11:12pm Tue 9 Aug 11
Ant Smoking MP wrote:You're clutching at straws! The poll was up for well over a month while hijacked by the Unions - that was blatant rigging by the Unions. As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!
Lone Ranger. wrote:The Echo poll was corrupted by Tory/pro council people rigging the poll. The fact that the unions were more organised than opponents to get the support was intelligent and correct. At least they didnt rig it.
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
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However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
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SOUTHAMPTON people are good people and they did not buy into the Unions rhetoric. The Unions and the strikers did not at any stage win the hearts and minds of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON people.
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I applaud the people of SOUTHAMPTON for their community spirit and for their common sense.
SpittingMoreFire
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12:02am Wed 10 Aug 11
George4th wrote:
Ant Smoking MP wrote:You're clutching at straws! The poll was up for well over a month while hijacked by the Unions - that was blatant rigging by the Unions. As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!
Lone Ranger. wrote:The Echo poll was corrupted by Tory/pro council people rigging the poll. The fact that the unions were more organised than opponents to get the support was intelligent and correct. At least they didnt rig it.
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
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But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
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However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
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SOUTHAMPTON people are good people and they did not buy into the Unions rhetoric. The Unions and the strikers did not at any stage win the hearts and minds of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON people.
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I applaud the people of SOUTHAMPTON for their community spirit and for their common sense.
The poll was up for well over a month while hijacked by the Unions - that was blatant rigging by the Unions. As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!
And you have the authority to say this because you've been able to track and monitor the IP addresses of all those who voted for the whole time the poll had been online.
An “upright citizen” who cast some 2,500 of 12,000 votes. You condemn the voting by union members but praise the actions of one individual in a deliberate attempt to rig the results: 200 in one day; 60 in two minutes.
You have double standards.
Condor Man
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12:06am Wed 10 Aug 11
Ant Smoking MP
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6:48am Wed 10 Aug 11
George4th wrote:"As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!"
Ant Smoking MP wrote:You're clutching at straws! The poll was up for well over a month while hijacked by the Unions - that was blatant rigging by the Unions. As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!
Lone Ranger. wrote:The Echo poll was corrupted by Tory/pro council people rigging the poll. The fact that the unions were more organised than opponents to get the support was intelligent and correct. At least they didnt rig it.
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
.
But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
>
However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
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SOUTHAMPTON people are good people and they did not buy into the Unions rhetoric. The Unions and the strikers did not at any stage win the hearts and minds of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON people.
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I applaud the people of SOUTHAMPTON for their community spirit and for their common sense.
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Laughable!! Delusional Tory!
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There was nothing illegal done by the unions.
SpittingMoreFire
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7:25am Wed 10 Aug 11
Ant Smoking MP wrote:Delusional Tory? You got that right!
George4th wrote:"As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!"
Ant Smoking MP wrote:You're clutching at straws! The poll was up for well over a month while hijacked by the Unions - that was blatant rigging by the Unions. As the Daily Echo didn't cancel it, an upright citizen did it for them by multi voting!!!
Lone Ranger. wrote:The Echo poll was corrupted by Tory/pro council people rigging the poll. The fact that the unions were more organised than opponents to get the support was intelligent and correct. At least they didnt rig it.
George4th wrote:Wrong ...... Southampton people have LOST ........... Weeks and weeks without services, paid for, and not delivered because of an ego chasing leader.
Lone Ranger. wrote:What? You mean after the Unions have hijacked it first, as they did the last time! They had a free run for weeks and weeks! Trouble was, they created a lie and it eventually bit them in the b*m!
As there is some dispute as to who has climbed down and who hasn't perhaps we could do an ONLINE POLL and vote the way we think.
.
But there again some cheating Tory poster who could not stand to see themselves losing may hijack it again.
>
However, you look at it, the Unions have lost and SOUTHAMPTON people, bless them, have won!
.
>
SOUTHAMPTON people are good people and they did not buy into the Unions rhetoric. The Unions and the strikers did not at any stage win the hearts and minds of the majority of SOUTHAMPTON people.
>
I applaud the people of SOUTHAMPTON for their community spirit and for their common sense.
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Laughable!! Delusional Tory!
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There was nothing illegal done by the unions.
Southampton people winning against the unions?! Is this a compeition? A battle between the unions and the public?
What utter nonsense.
loosehead
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7:26am Wed 10 Aug 11
SpittingMoreFire
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7:28am Wed 10 Aug 11
Lone Ranger.
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8:16am Wed 10 Aug 11
loosehead wrote:Are you obsessed with Southy.
I didn't rant on about the first poll I don't give a toss about the last poll the only thing I care about is the vote by workers today.I also care about Southy & his pals making this sound like (riots) the poor rising up against the evil tyrants instead of the same thugs that wreck neighbourhoods every night & then people blame it on booze.as seen on telly this is just looting with no political agenda by those looting but the people organising it & agitating it are the political nuts who need to be tracked down & stopped so who gives a toss about a poll?
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Nearly every post you mention his name. As i have pointed out before, envy is a dangerous thing.
Lone Ranger.
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8:22am Wed 10 Aug 11
Condor Man wrote:Oh CM how i feel for you. Everything with you is ME ME ME all the time.
LR, apart from not having my bins emptied exactly what have I lost out on? I'm not suffering here in leafy Highfield. My family in the city aren't suffering either. Come to mention it most people aren't. The affected services, such as social work, only encompass a small minority of the population. This strike will end with the unions at loggerheads with their members, as what happened 25 years ago. If I were a union member I'd be carefully considering who to vote for when the leadership is challenged. Surely the likes of Tucker must be voted out before they bring everyone else down.
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Leafy Highfield consists of a few "leafy" roads with the rest being a suburb of Portswood. And no i am not the sort of person who is impressed with postcode snobbery ......... unlike yourself.
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Fortunately unions are not made up with people like yourself, but in the main, members who work hard for their employers and are respected and show respect to their colleagues.
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To be honest i would hate to be on your side in anything
SpittingMoreFire
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8:25am Wed 10 Aug 11
Ant Smoking MP wrote:I see nothing in the content of this online report that doesn't cover what Unison has publicly said on this matter yesterday.
Just read on twitter from Soton_unite that the Echo has made up the story about legal claim being postponed. Can the Echo check its source and check with Unite?
But certainly the title and opening paragraph are misleading and implies that the legal action has been postponed because of progress in talks.
But it is nothing more than the unions fulfilling the request of the council due to the council being ill prepared ahead of the scheduled date, (which speaks for itself really).
As a result it appears to have given a false impression to readers, especially to council supporters here, Sotonians and Judge George being good examples and considering their standpoint, that's none surprising.
Even so, his fans are disappointed.
I cannot talk of the paper edition as I'm not in Soton to view a copy right now. I bet it'll be worse than this.
Don't know if it's really protecting 400 jobs over two years now either. As I've heard a twittering of birdsong that's said it be 600 jobs!
SpittingMoreFire
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8:32am Wed 10 Aug 11
The Rising Phoenix wrote:If the council had conducted the consultation in the correct manner in the first place, there would be no case to answer.
tootle wrote:Note: the legal action is each member's own decision. If they feel cheated and wronged then they will find law is on their side and why shouldnt they fight back? They didnt cause this mess but they are the ones paying for it.
Personally, all I've suffered is a little inconvenience. The Council appear to have been ineffective and I'm not impressed. the Unions have been power grabbing and I'm even more not impressed. The workforce, mostly, appear to be a rather large flock of sheep though much less use to me that a flock of sheep would be. Maybe the Unions and council and workers should consider this. Cuts to terms and conditions are deemed necessary to balance the budget if we are to save jobs and retain service levels - in the short term. In the long term there will be more job losses and more cuts, of that I have no doubt. HOWEVER if the Union go ahead with the legal challenge that will wipe out this years savings, so more job losses and service cuts will happen sooner. So nobody is going to be happy., except the Unions.
And i'm sorry retain services?... What services, most vital services to the vulnerable have been scrapped and other teams are running with a skeleton crew and are being over worked... until more redundencies arrive and then services will not be able to maintain any where near the service levels it curently delivers. It will be the residents and users of SCC facilities and services who will suffer, mean while Rambo will be sitting smug at his desk, Or workers can stand up for their rights.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:42am Wed 10 Aug 11
loosehead
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10:38am Wed 10 Aug 11
OSPREYSAINT wrote:No I think you'll find that the union have shot themselves in the foot & the proposal they put to their members today could save them a lot of money in court cases. why continue when in open letters the union has stated that they were representing people about the letters & these letters to members from the union quite clearly show they new way before the 90day legal requirement.So the unions carry on with court cases & lose how will that effect their members? if by some travesty of justice they win then what's the point of putting forward anything to their members today as the council would have to save £12million so whatever deal now would end up null in void so postpone action have a vote & then see what the members say sounds more realistic to me
I get the impression that the "Talabin" think that a Union member is some sort of guerilla fighter ready to kill for the cause, when in fact they are normal people who subscribe to an organisation whose aim is to protect their members from injustice, not just their jobs but also from unscrupulous managers whose aim is to exploit their staff. Until it is understood that people like the binmen are just ordinary members of the human race like themselves the can never lose the blinkered approach. Managers who know the worth of their workers not just the price can get the best from their staff.
loosehead
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10:45am Wed 10 Aug 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:Sorry but envy? I despise any one who goes on about the poor & comes out with absolute drivel like you & the man of the TUSC I come from an extremely poor background & to hear the crap talked about on here by the left wing or do gooders makes my blood boil so yes I mention that toe rags name a lot & I suppose you & him will be saying how this is all a right wing plot.If the unions want to make Southampton a national dispute & want it to continue why not tell the public? the more & more the contractors are doing the more & more people are thinking they are the best option this is the unions doing so get a live & stop living in the 1930's
loosehead wrote:Are you obsessed with Southy.
I didn't rant on about the first poll I don't give a toss about the last poll the only thing I care about is the vote by workers today.I also care about Southy & his pals making this sound like (riots) the poor rising up against the evil tyrants instead of the same thugs that wreck neighbourhoods every night & then people blame it on booze.as seen on telly this is just looting with no political agenda by those looting but the people organising it & agitating it are the political nuts who need to be tracked down & stopped so who gives a toss about a poll?
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Nearly every post you mention his name. As i have pointed out before, envy is a dangerous thing.
Lone Ranger.
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10:51am Wed 10 Aug 11
loosehead wrote:Breaking News :- The Unions have WON.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Sorry but envy? I despise any one who goes on about the poor & comes out with absolute drivel like you & the man of the TUSC I come from an extremely poor background & to hear the crap talked about on here by the left wing or do gooders makes my blood boil so yes I mention that toe rags name a lot & I suppose you & him will be saying how this is all a right wing plot.If the unions want to make Southampton a national dispute & want it to continue why not tell the public? the more & more the contractors are doing the more & more people are thinking they are the best option this is the unions doing so get a live & stop living in the 1930's
loosehead wrote:Are you obsessed with Southy.
I didn't rant on about the first poll I don't give a toss about the last poll the only thing I care about is the vote by workers today.I also care about Southy & his pals making this sound like (riots) the poor rising up against the evil tyrants instead of the same thugs that wreck neighbourhoods every night & then people blame it on booze.as seen on telly this is just looting with no political agenda by those looting but the people organising it & agitating it are the political nuts who need to be tracked down & stopped so who gives a toss about a poll?
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Nearly every post you mention his name. As i have pointed out before, envy is a dangerous thing.
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loosehead
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12:49pm Wed 10 Aug 11
Lone Ranger. wrote:Breaking news is no they haven't if even one of the deals put forward are true it was an original idea put forward by the council & rejected by the unions so why have the unions accepted it now? Can't wait for your Labour party to get in & 800 more are made redundant & more pay cuts so hopefully the unions will go on strike again
loosehead wrote:Breaking News :- The Unions have WON.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Sorry but envy? I despise any one who goes on about the poor & comes out with absolute drivel like you & the man of the TUSC I come from an extremely poor background & to hear the crap talked about on here by the left wing or do gooders makes my blood boil so yes I mention that toe rags name a lot & I suppose you & him will be saying how this is all a right wing plot.If the unions want to make Southampton a national dispute & want it to continue why not tell the public? the more & more the contractors are doing the more & more people are thinking they are the best option this is the unions doing so get a live & stop living in the 1930's
loosehead wrote:Are you obsessed with Southy.
I didn't rant on about the first poll I don't give a toss about the last poll the only thing I care about is the vote by workers today.I also care about Southy & his pals making this sound like (riots) the poor rising up against the evil tyrants instead of the same thugs that wreck neighbourhoods every night & then people blame it on booze.as seen on telly this is just looting with no political agenda by those looting but the people organising it & agitating it are the political nuts who need to be tracked down & stopped so who gives a toss about a poll?
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Nearly every post you mention his name. As i have pointed out before, envy is a dangerous thing.
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Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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1:59pm Wed 10 Aug 11
And about time too.
Well done to the council for holding out and standing up for their duty to the residents to spend their council taxes wisely.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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2:08pm Wed 10 Aug 11
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I completely disagree with this Ospreysaint.
I get the impression that the "Talabin" think that a Union member is some sort of guerilla fighter ready to kill for the cause, when in fact they are normal people who subscribe to an organisation whose aim is to protect their members from injustice, not just their jobs but also from unscrupulous managers whose aim is to exploit their staff. Until it is understood that people like the binmen are just ordinary members of the human race like themselves the can never lose the blinkered approach. Managers who know the worth of their workers not just the price can get the best from their staff.
Pay for jobs is not about what a person is "worth"
It is about what that work they do is worth in the job market.
There is a key difference.
A big issue is that too many unskilled and unemployed people have false and misguided senses of entitlement. This can also seen in the London riots
Just because a job only pays a certain amount, that does not determine that person's worth, which is much broader, and takes account of many different areas of that person's life
If people dont like what a job pays, they need to get another job. Not strike and complain about it for months at a time.
The answer is to train and improve their skills and get better jobs, not to demand unrealistic salaries for unskilled labour, for example.
Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...
11:35am Tue 9 Aug 11
Time for a face saving deal for the union reps?