Head teacher to run Bitterne Park School and Chamberlayne College for the Arts

Superhead to run two city schools

Superhead to run two city schools

First published in News

A Southampton “superhead” is to take over a second city secondary school in the first appointment of its type.

Susan Trigger has already overseen Bitterne Park School being graded as “outstanding” three times in a row by Ofsted, but has now landed the role to also run Chamberlayne College for the Arts.

From January she will be taking over from retiring head Chris Kelly at the Weston school.

Several primary schools in Southampton have been confederated and now share head teachers, but this is the first time in Southampton that one person is taking over two secondary schools.

Mrs Trigger is a National Leader in education, meaning she has been accredited by the Government as someone who can help other schools to boost standards.

Governors at Chamberlayne, say they expect she will spend between a year and 18 months as “executive head teacher” at the school in Tickleford Drive, while continuing her existing role at Bitterne Park.

In a joint statement, the governors of the two schools said they believe the move will benefit pupils, staff and communities at both.

The move to see closer work between the two schools has been backed by Southampton’s education boss, Cllr Jeremy Moulton.

He said: “The decision to appoint Susan Trigger as executive head is very good news for the young people at Chamberlayne College."

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3:34pm Mon 12 Dec 11

Taskforce 141 says...

What about giving someone else the oppertunity? I'm all for whats best for childrens education but i cant possibly see how dividing this woman's time between two skills is advantageous? Surely being in more of a consultant role to aid a new head would be better, as when she leaves in 18 months someone will have to pick up where she left off anyway.

Just seems silly to me.
What about giving someone else the oppertunity? I'm all for whats best for childrens education but i cant possibly see how dividing this woman's time between two skills is advantageous? Surely being in more of a consultant role to aid a new head would be better, as when she leaves in 18 months someone will have to pick up where she left off anyway. Just seems silly to me. Taskforce 141
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3:48pm Mon 12 Dec 11

eurogordi says...

Clearly Heads do not do all they claim to if one can run two schools. Give someone else a chance.
Clearly Heads do not do all they claim to if one can run two schools. Give someone else a chance. eurogordi
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4:19pm Mon 12 Dec 11

10 Minute Man says...

If she has a talent which can be spread and benefit other schools then bring it on. Southampton has a long way to go with its secondary schools - moving up from 305 to 300 in the league (can't remember what it was exactly) isn't a sign that we can give up on improving further.
If she has a talent which can be spread and benefit other schools then bring it on. Southampton has a long way to go with its secondary schools - moving up from 305 to 300 in the league (can't remember what it was exactly) isn't a sign that we can give up on improving further. 10 Minute Man
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5:27pm Mon 12 Dec 11

The Watcher says...

Must say I'm not convinced on this appointment, no matter how successful and enigmatic Ms Trigger is.
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Whilst this might seem a sensible idea for smaller schools (particularly primary and junior), I do not believe it is sensible given the size, responsibilty and character of secondary schools.
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I do fear that she will be spreading herself too thinly and will not be able to give Chamberlayne College the time it deserves in order for it to make the progress required. Similarly I fear that her existing school will suffer as her time and attention are focussed elsewhere.
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I wish her luck, but just can't help but thinking the schools (and individuals involved) will regret this.
Must say I'm not convinced on this appointment, no matter how successful and enigmatic Ms Trigger is. . Whilst this might seem a sensible idea for smaller schools (particularly primary and junior), I do not believe it is sensible given the size, responsibilty and character of secondary schools. . I do fear that she will be spreading herself too thinly and will not be able to give Chamberlayne College the time it deserves in order for it to make the progress required. Similarly I fear that her existing school will suffer as her time and attention are focussed elsewhere. . I wish her luck, but just can't help but thinking the schools (and individuals involved) will regret this. The Watcher
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5:36pm Mon 12 Dec 11

Condor Man says...

2 contrasting schools. Bitterne Park was an average school in the 80's but has really improved - probably since I left. I believe Chamberlayne needs all the help it can get so if Mrs Trigger can improve the place it will only benefit the people of Weston.
2 contrasting schools. Bitterne Park was an average school in the 80's but has really improved - probably since I left. I believe Chamberlayne needs all the help it can get so if Mrs Trigger can improve the place it will only benefit the people of Weston. Condor Man
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5:47pm Mon 12 Dec 11

SaintM says...

I can not work this out, my Daughter goes to Bitterne Park and the quality of teaching is by far from outstanding. Teachers never there and they just tell them to study on the internet. They get no text books to study from and this head teacher is the rudest arogant person I have ever met.
I can not work this out, my Daughter goes to Bitterne Park and the quality of teaching is by far from outstanding. Teachers never there and they just tell them to study on the internet. They get no text books to study from and this head teacher is the rudest arogant person I have ever met. SaintM
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7:34pm Mon 12 Dec 11

l_abcd says...

As someone who actually attended the school I can confirm that Susan Trigger was a fantastic head and is the perfect choice for the role.

And as for the teaching side of things, myself and an extremely high percentage of my year came away with brilliant GCSEs. As have the years since. There is no arguing what a great school Bitterne Park is and I have no doubts she will do the same for Chamberlayne.
As someone who actually attended the school I can confirm that Susan Trigger was a fantastic head and is the perfect choice for the role. And as for the teaching side of things, myself and an extremely high percentage of my year came away with brilliant GCSEs. As have the years since. There is no arguing what a great school Bitterne Park is and I have no doubts she will do the same for Chamberlayne. l_abcd
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7:38pm Mon 12 Dec 11

clevercleaver1 says...

I can understand with some of the things that you are saying in the above comment, however I am currently a student at Bitterne Park, and I feel that Mrs Trigger will be able to bring new and fresh ideas to both schools, while completing her job well. Ofstead rated the school to be outstanding and it is much more than that, the quality of teaching and the facilities available are outstanding. If anyone thinks that Mrs Trigger will not do well with the head teacher spilt then you should come and have a look at Bitterne Park and see how well the school runs, through the work from Mrs Trigger and also through the group of Senior Managers that she leads. So even when she is at the other school, the Senior Managers, who are experienced in their job and will be able to continue on with the success. Finally why do you think that Mrs Trigger was chosen to do this, because of her experience and also they would not compromise on the current students, meaning that they feel she will be able to do this, to the full effect. So people cant say that it wont work, because it will and Mrs Trigger knows how to change things for the better!!
I can understand with some of the things that you are saying in the above comment, however I am currently a student at Bitterne Park, and I feel that Mrs Trigger will be able to bring new and fresh ideas to both schools, while completing her job well. Ofstead rated the school to be outstanding and it is much more than that, the quality of teaching and the facilities available are outstanding. If anyone thinks that Mrs Trigger will not do well with the head teacher spilt then you should come and have a look at Bitterne Park and see how well the school runs, through the work from Mrs Trigger and also through the group of Senior Managers that she leads. So even when she is at the other school, the Senior Managers, who are experienced in their job and will be able to continue on with the success. Finally why do you think that Mrs Trigger was chosen to do this, because of her experience and also they would not compromise on the current students, meaning that they feel she will be able to do this, to the full effect. So people cant say that it wont work, because it will and Mrs Trigger knows how to change things for the better!! clevercleaver1
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9:06pm Mon 12 Dec 11

loosehead says...

When I went to Bellemoor our Headmaster was Mr. Fish & the deputy head was Mr Reed Well I can say we hardly ever saw Mr Fish but most/all pupils had the utmost respect for Mr Reed so having a head in charge of both schools surely depends on if the deputy head is up to the task isn't it?
this lady put's her ideas to improve the school to the teaching staff & then like a Regimental sergeant the Deputy implements her ideas or isn't that how it's suppose to work?
When I went to Bellemoor our Headmaster was Mr. Fish & the deputy head was Mr Reed Well I can say we hardly ever saw Mr Fish but most/all pupils had the utmost respect for Mr Reed so having a head in charge of both schools surely depends on if the deputy head is up to the task isn't it? this lady put's her ideas to improve the school to the teaching staff & then like a Regimental sergeant the Deputy implements her ideas or isn't that how it's suppose to work? loosehead
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10:47pm Mon 12 Dec 11

Condor Man says...

Chamberlayne is in desperate need of improvement, if Susan Trigger can turn a bog standard comprehensive into a school that adds over £10,000 to your house's value I'm sure she can pull the kids of Weston up by their bootstraps.
Chamberlayne is in desperate need of improvement, if Susan Trigger can turn a bog standard comprehensive into a school that adds over £10,000 to your house's value I'm sure she can pull the kids of Weston up by their bootstraps. Condor Man
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10:37am Tue 13 Dec 11

tootle says...

Have heard very, very good things about Bitterne Park and it's senior staff. If she can pull it off at Chamberlayne as well then have no doubt there will be good, well trained staff to step up to more responsibilities when she leaves.
Have heard very, very good things about Bitterne Park and it's senior staff. If she can pull it off at Chamberlayne as well then have no doubt there will be good, well trained staff to step up to more responsibilities when she leaves. tootle
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12:21pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Stdenysta says...

Condor Man wrote:
Chamberlayne is in desperate need of improvement, if Susan Trigger can turn a bog standard comprehensive into a school that adds over £10,000 to your house's value I'm sure she can pull the kids of Weston up by their bootstraps.
Bloody hell, ten grand, that will double the value of most of the houses in Weston!
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Chamberlayne is in desperate need of improvement, if Susan Trigger can turn a bog standard comprehensive into a school that adds over £10,000 to your house's value I'm sure she can pull the kids of Weston up by their bootstraps.[/p][/quote]Bloody hell, ten grand, that will double the value of most of the houses in Weston! Stdenysta
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12:23pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Stupideditor says...

I'm all for improvement in my childs education and her special needs. I trust Mrs Trigger will bring good things to an already good school. I just hope she doesn't plan in selling it off to Academy status, thus destroying it's reputation, as they did with Woolston Language College.
I'm all for improvement in my childs education and her special needs. I trust Mrs Trigger will bring good things to an already good school. I just hope she doesn't plan in selling it off to Academy status, thus destroying it's reputation, as they did with Woolston Language College. Stupideditor
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1:10pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Tenderhearts wife says...

The title of 'superhead' is a matter of opinion. My experience of Mrs Trigger is far from 'Super' and not at all positive. Mrs Trigger is just there as the publicity person the 'front woman' her skills in carrying out day to day tasks within the running of the school are decidedly lacking. I pity Weston Park, they deserve to have a head that cares.
The title of 'superhead' is a matter of opinion. My experience of Mrs Trigger is far from 'Super' and not at all positive. Mrs Trigger is just there as the publicity person the 'front woman' her skills in carrying out day to day tasks within the running of the school are decidedly lacking. I pity Weston Park, they deserve to have a head that cares. Tenderhearts wife
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3:32pm Tue 13 Dec 11

dizzychick says...

It seems to me that only the children that attend Bitterne Park school and are doing well get every opportunity thrown at them.As this mantains the high G.C.S.E pass rate. However if you have a child that is in learning support they dont count. More needs to be done with bitterne park's learning support department in as much as better communication with the parents, some kind of structure to regular homework and instilling that a child needs to attend regually otherwise there will be repocussions. It taken 3 days for a teacher to get back to me.Lets just hope Mrs Trigger can put things right n her own school before she is unleashed into chamberlayne.
It seems to me that only the children that attend Bitterne Park school and are doing well get every opportunity thrown at them.As this mantains the high G.C.S.E pass rate. However if you have a child that is in learning support they dont count. More needs to be done with bitterne park's learning support department in as much as better communication with the parents, some kind of structure to regular homework and instilling that a child needs to attend regually otherwise there will be repocussions. It taken 3 days for a teacher to get back to me.Lets just hope Mrs Trigger can put things right n her own school before she is unleashed into chamberlayne. dizzychick
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4:43pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Tenderhearts wife says...

seems that all things are not quite so rosy in the Superheads garden , I have known that for years after some very negative events at the school,not just myself but other people I know have experienced the 'unobtainable Head' (even when she is in the building)when trying to make an appointment to sort out some quite serious issues. It makes me ask the question how come such good press ? perhaps it really isnt, what you know but who you know that counts?
seems that all things are not quite so rosy in the Superheads garden , I have known that for years after some very negative events at the school,not just myself but other people I know have experienced the 'unobtainable Head' (even when she is in the building)when trying to make an appointment to sort out some quite serious issues. It makes me ask the question how come such good press ? perhaps it really isnt, what you know but who you know that counts? Tenderhearts wife
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5:14pm Tue 13 Dec 11

SaintM says...

The only reason they pass GCSE is because the let the kids do coursework at home by parents and then teachers amend it until it passes, called cheating and only passed offstead report because they sent bad kids out of school, refused parents to see the ofstead officers and preped the kids in advance as to what to say to officer. The headmistress is cheating the parents and others and should not be allowed to get away with it.
The only reason they pass GCSE is because the let the kids do coursework at home by parents and then teachers amend it until it passes, called cheating and only passed offstead report because they sent bad kids out of school, refused parents to see the ofstead officers and preped the kids in advance as to what to say to officer. The headmistress is cheating the parents and others and should not be allowed to get away with it. SaintM
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6:12pm Tue 13 Dec 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

Condor Man wrote:
2 contrasting schools. Bitterne Park was an average school in the 80's but has really improved - probably since I left. I believe Chamberlayne needs all the help it can get so if Mrs Trigger can improve the place it will only benefit the people of Weston.
Did it improve since you left or it became lot better 'because you left'?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: 2 contrasting schools. Bitterne Park was an average school in the 80's but has really improved - probably since I left. I believe Chamberlayne needs all the help it can get so if Mrs Trigger can improve the place it will only benefit the people of Weston.[/p][/quote]Did it improve since you left or it became lot better 'because you left'? Paramjit Bahia
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5:20pm Wed 14 Dec 11

fluteflute says...

"this is the first time in Southampton that one person is taking over two secondary schools"

After Richard Hillary's retirement and before Chris Kelly joined the school, Ian Knights was running both Chamberlayne and Hamble for around a year.

(Yes I know Hamble isn't technically in Southampton)
"this is the first time in Southampton that one person is taking over two secondary schools" After Richard Hillary's retirement and before Chris Kelly joined the school, Ian Knights was running both Chamberlayne and Hamble for around a year. (Yes I know Hamble isn't technically in Southampton) fluteflute
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5:20pm Wed 14 Dec 11

fluteflute says...

"this is the first time in Southampton that one person is taking over two secondary schools"

After Richard Hillary's retirement and before Chris Kelly joined the school, Ian Knights was running both Chamberlayne and Hamble for around a year.

(Yes I know Hamble isn't technically in Southampton)
"this is the first time in Southampton that one person is taking over two secondary schools" After Richard Hillary's retirement and before Chris Kelly joined the school, Ian Knights was running both Chamberlayne and Hamble for around a year. (Yes I know Hamble isn't technically in Southampton) fluteflute
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9:18pm Wed 14 Dec 11

loosehead says...

I have no children ( can't have children) but surely you should give her a chance & if it isn't working there has to be places/people /bodies you can contact to look into the standards at both schools isn't there?
I have no children ( can't have children) but surely you should give her a chance & if it isn't working there has to be places/people /bodies you can contact to look into the standards at both schools isn't there? loosehead
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9:26pm Wed 14 Dec 11

Robin Cunningham says...

The problem is that Headteachers are difficult to recruit nowadays.

Firstly, it's an issue of not having enough teachers with enough experience to fulfil the role. This is because a certain previous Government imposed a moratorium on teacher recruitment a number of years ago; most teachers nowadays are either too old for a Headship or are too young and lack the necessary experience. '40 something' teachers are few and far between.

Secondly, the role of a Headteacher has gone from being a senior teaching role to one akin of a business manager. Many Headteachers don't get to teach nowadays, which puts the majority of suitable teachers off the role. Most teachers took on the job because they wanted to teach-it's a vocational thing. Anyone with a 'bent' for management goes into business, not education.

Sadly, this situation has meant that it's often necessary to federate multiple schools and put in a single executive head.
The problem is that Headteachers are difficult to recruit nowadays. Firstly, it's an issue of not having enough teachers with enough experience to fulfil the role. This is because a certain previous Government imposed a moratorium on teacher recruitment a number of years ago; most teachers nowadays are either too old for a Headship or are too young and lack the necessary experience. '40 something' teachers are few and far between. Secondly, the role of a Headteacher has gone from being a senior teaching role to one akin of a business manager. Many Headteachers don't get to teach nowadays, which puts the majority of suitable teachers off the role. Most teachers took on the job because they wanted to teach-it's a vocational thing. Anyone with a 'bent' for management goes into business, not education. Sadly, this situation has meant that it's often necessary to federate multiple schools and put in a single executive head. Robin Cunningham
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11:51am Fri 16 Dec 11

cgt says...

The Salv wrote:
They will just be told what the questions will be, teach the kids it a few weeks before the exam. Get 60% and all graded A* teacher will get bonus, retire at 55 on huge pension. Students will go onto University in some nonscence degree, end up in 36k of debt. Will struggle to get a job due to lack of experience and having no basic grasp of language and numerical skills. End up fighting for shelf stacker jobs with the Polish.
If anyone thinks that a teacher gets a bonus for pupils getting A*s or retires on a huge pension ), he is seriously deluded. The average is £10,000 with the teacher having made a large contribution towards it out of every month's salary throughout his/her career. In addition, a teacher has to work forty years in order to get a full pension. A teacher retiring early at 55 will have his pension substantially reduced. The Salv is just writing 'nonscence' (sic! Could do better at spelling! Grasp the language, Salv!) regurgitated from downmarket tabloids like the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: They will just be told what the questions will be, teach the kids it a few weeks before the exam. Get 60% and all graded A* teacher will get bonus, retire at 55 on huge pension. Students will go onto University in some nonscence degree, end up in 36k of debt. Will struggle to get a job due to lack of experience and having no basic grasp of language and numerical skills. End up fighting for shelf stacker jobs with the Polish.[/p][/quote]If anyone thinks that a teacher gets a bonus for pupils getting A*s or retires on a huge pension ), he is seriously deluded. The average is £10,000 with the teacher having made a large contribution towards it out of every month's salary throughout his/her career. In addition, a teacher has to work forty years in order to get a full pension. A teacher retiring early at 55 will have his pension substantially reduced. The Salv is just writing 'nonscence' (sic! Could do better at spelling! Grasp the language, Salv!) regurgitated from downmarket tabloids like the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun. cgt
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11:51am Fri 16 Dec 11

cgt says...

The Salv wrote:
They will just be told what the questions will be, teach the kids it a few weeks before the exam. Get 60% and all graded A* teacher will get bonus, retire at 55 on huge pension. Students will go onto University in some nonscence degree, end up in 36k of debt. Will struggle to get a job due to lack of experience and having no basic grasp of language and numerical skills. End up fighting for shelf stacker jobs with the Polish.
If anyone thinks that a teacher gets a bonus for pupils getting A*s or retires on a huge pension ), he is seriously deluded. The average is £10,000 with the teacher having made a large contribution towards it out of every month's salary throughout his/her career. In addition, a teacher has to work forty years in order to get a full pension. A teacher retiring early at 55 will have his pension substantially reduced. The Salv is just writing 'nonscence' (sic! Could do better at spelling! Grasp the language, Salv!) regurgitated from downmarket tabloids like the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: They will just be told what the questions will be, teach the kids it a few weeks before the exam. Get 60% and all graded A* teacher will get bonus, retire at 55 on huge pension. Students will go onto University in some nonscence degree, end up in 36k of debt. Will struggle to get a job due to lack of experience and having no basic grasp of language and numerical skills. End up fighting for shelf stacker jobs with the Polish.[/p][/quote]If anyone thinks that a teacher gets a bonus for pupils getting A*s or retires on a huge pension ), he is seriously deluded. The average is £10,000 with the teacher having made a large contribution towards it out of every month's salary throughout his/her career. In addition, a teacher has to work forty years in order to get a full pension. A teacher retiring early at 55 will have his pension substantially reduced. The Salv is just writing 'nonscence' (sic! Could do better at spelling! Grasp the language, Salv!) regurgitated from downmarket tabloids like the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sun. cgt
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9:10am Sat 17 Dec 11

SaintM says...

10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it. SaintM
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10:35am Wed 21 Dec 11

cgt says...

SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
I don't know where on earth you got the idea that teachers get paid overtime! You have been misinformed. The starting salary of a teacher will only begin once the teacher is qualified, that is after a degree lasting at least three years, plus a year's postgraduate training. Given the amount of time, plus a costly debt from four years of study, a teacher should be getting above the average starting salary, since they are not starting their careers at the same time as others at sixteen or eighteen. This is not actually well above the average starting salary, as you say. I suspect some serious prejudice/credulity here on your part.
[quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]I don't know where on earth you got the idea that teachers get paid overtime! You have been misinformed. The starting salary of a teacher will only begin once the teacher is qualified, that is after a degree lasting at least three years, plus a year's postgraduate training. Given the amount of time, plus a costly debt from four years of study, a teacher should be getting above the average starting salary, since they are not starting their careers at the same time as others at sixteen or eighteen. This is not actually well above the average starting salary, as you say. I suspect some serious prejudice/credulity here on your part. cgt
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11:42am Wed 21 Dec 11

loosehead says...

SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
[quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it? loosehead
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7:19pm Wed 21 Dec 11

cgt says...

loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy. cgt
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7:20pm Wed 21 Dec 11

cgt says...

loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy. cgt
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9:06pm Wed 21 Dec 11

loosehead says...

cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point.
Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy.
When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it.
Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike?
when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public.
Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it
[quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.[/p][/quote]Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point. Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy. When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it. Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike? when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public. Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it loosehead
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10:42pm Wed 21 Dec 11

cgt says...

loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point.
Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy.
When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it.
Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike?
when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public.
Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it
I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.[/p][/quote]Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point. Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy. When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it. Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike? when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public. Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it[/p][/quote]I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years! cgt
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4:18pm Thu 22 Dec 11

SaintM says...

Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have.
Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have. SaintM
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4:51pm Thu 22 Dec 11

cgt says...

SaintM wrote:
Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have.
Let me correct you on one or two of your misconceptions. First of all, you can only go on strike if you are in employment and I am not, although I joined the march and rally in Southampton on the 30th November because I sympathise with the public sector workers and how the proposed changes would affect them in the future. I therefore do not have, as you so mistakenly put it, any greedy trough of my own. I would also suggest that you ask your niece for some help with your syntax and spelling. She might start by teaching you how to spell the word 'niece' correctly. I suspect your antagonism towards teachers stems from your failure to take advantage of the time you spent at school yourself.
[quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have.[/p][/quote]Let me correct you on one or two of your misconceptions. First of all, you can only go on strike if you are in employment and I am not, although I joined the march and rally in Southampton on the 30th November because I sympathise with the public sector workers and how the proposed changes would affect them in the future. I therefore do not have, as you so mistakenly put it, any greedy trough of my own. I would also suggest that you ask your niece for some help with your syntax and spelling. She might start by teaching you how to spell the word 'niece' correctly. I suspect your antagonism towards teachers stems from your failure to take advantage of the time you spent at school yourself. cgt
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5:20pm Thu 22 Dec 11

SaintM says...

I can not type, because i was brought up in the world of writing, but at least I pay taxes by working, not going on sympathy walks because your uneducated or brain washed and no I went to a good school where teachers did not care about themselves only the art of teaching, not like the gredy lazy lot are now.You do not even get the point that is how thick you are
I can not type, because i was brought up in the world of writing, but at least I pay taxes by working, not going on sympathy walks because your uneducated or brain washed and no I went to a good school where teachers did not care about themselves only the art of teaching, not like the gredy lazy lot are now.You do not even get the point that is how thick you are SaintM
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6:39pm Thu 22 Dec 11

cgt says...

SaintM wrote:
I can not type, because i was brought up in the world of writing, but at least I pay taxes by working, not going on sympathy walks because your uneducated or brain washed and no I went to a good school where teachers did not care about themselves only the art of teaching, not like the gredy lazy lot are now.You do not even get the point that is how thick you are
Please do not make false assumptions about my circumstances. I do pay taxes, paid taxes throughout my working life and have never been in receipt of a benefit of any kind, save the benefits of ethic of hard work from my parents and a good grammar school and university education several decades ago. My own children were taught by excellent teachers in a local comprehensive school not so very long ago and have never been out of work either. Furthermore, I fail to understand how an inability to type might cause your grammar and spelling to be so poor. There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from proofreading your comments before you click on the 'submit' button. There is also nothing to prevent you from teaching yourself to type. I learnt how to do it; so can you!
[quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: I can not type, because i was brought up in the world of writing, but at least I pay taxes by working, not going on sympathy walks because your uneducated or brain washed and no I went to a good school where teachers did not care about themselves only the art of teaching, not like the gredy lazy lot are now.You do not even get the point that is how thick you are[/p][/quote]Please do not make false assumptions about my circumstances. I do pay taxes, paid taxes throughout my working life and have never been in receipt of a benefit of any kind, save the benefits of ethic of hard work from my parents and a good grammar school and university education several decades ago. My own children were taught by excellent teachers in a local comprehensive school not so very long ago and have never been out of work either. Furthermore, I fail to understand how an inability to type might cause your grammar and spelling to be so poor. There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from proofreading your comments before you click on the 'submit' button. There is also nothing to prevent you from teaching yourself to type. I learnt how to do it; so can you! cgt
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9:05pm Thu 22 Dec 11

loosehead says...

cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point.
Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy.
When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it.
Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike?
when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public.
Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it
I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years!
I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault.
[quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.[/p][/quote]Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point. Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy. When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it. Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike? when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public. Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it[/p][/quote]I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years![/p][/quote]I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault. loosehead
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9:15pm Thu 22 Dec 11

loosehead says...

cgt wrote:
SaintM wrote:
Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have.
Let me correct you on one or two of your misconceptions. First of all, you can only go on strike if you are in employment and I am not, although I joined the march and rally in Southampton on the 30th November because I sympathise with the public sector workers and how the proposed changes would affect them in the future. I therefore do not have, as you so mistakenly put it, any greedy trough of my own. I would also suggest that you ask your niece for some help with your syntax and spelling. She might start by teaching you how to spell the word 'niece' correctly. I suspect your antagonism towards teachers stems from your failure to take advantage of the time you spent at school yourself.
cgt. the council talked to the unions to no avail.
after numerous strikes & industrial actions the Unite union came out with the truth it is/was all political & if this council had gone the Labour way & had more job cuts this would have still happened.
I played Rugby with a teacher a few years ago, Spoke to him before any industrial action was taken.
In his words if the government had sorted out all the wasters in the flats in Millbrook & in this country who were screwing the country out of millions in welfare payments & then they went to do this with the pensions he would accept it but not until then.
Labour has already said it agreed with the changes to the public sector pension schemes.
I hope for the childrens sake this headmistress is that good
[quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: Teachers are lazy and YES well paid starting at 22k plus, my neice is now aa teacher and her debt only has to be paid at £5 pm, hard to take, she only passed her degree because her tutor did it for her. CGT is typical of todays world, can not see pass their own greedy trough and blame the Torys, just go on strike, let the kids suffer snd collect your cash.Ms Trigger can not even face being a Mrs.The school is poor , the maths teacher could not even teach my daughter algebra and sets homework on the internet which means they do not have to mark it, what a hard life they have.[/p][/quote]Let me correct you on one or two of your misconceptions. First of all, you can only go on strike if you are in employment and I am not, although I joined the march and rally in Southampton on the 30th November because I sympathise with the public sector workers and how the proposed changes would affect them in the future. I therefore do not have, as you so mistakenly put it, any greedy trough of my own. I would also suggest that you ask your niece for some help with your syntax and spelling. She might start by teaching you how to spell the word 'niece' correctly. I suspect your antagonism towards teachers stems from your failure to take advantage of the time you spent at school yourself.[/p][/quote]cgt. the council talked to the unions to no avail. after numerous strikes & industrial actions the Unite union came out with the truth it is/was all political & if this council had gone the Labour way & had more job cuts this would have still happened. I played Rugby with a teacher a few years ago, Spoke to him before any industrial action was taken. In his words if the government had sorted out all the wasters in the flats in Millbrook & in this country who were screwing the country out of millions in welfare payments & then they went to do this with the pensions he would accept it but not until then. Labour has already said it agreed with the changes to the public sector pension schemes. I hope for the childrens sake this headmistress is that good loosehead
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7:35am Fri 23 Dec 11

cgt says...

loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point.
Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy.
When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it.
Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike?
when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public.
Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it
I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years!
I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault.
The spell-check function on a computer will not check for correct use in context. In other words, it will not check whether 'you're' (short for 'you are') and 'your' are being used correctly. For example, you have written, 'Your being asked', when you should have written, 'You're being asked'. In another instance, you wrote, 'Teachers don'; the word 'don' exists but is meaningless in this context. Neither does the spell-check function usually verify the spelling of proper nouns, for example 'Gordon' (Brown), which you have spelt incorrectly as 'Gordan'. I hope this helps.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.[/p][/quote]Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point. Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy. When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it. Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike? when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public. Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it[/p][/quote]I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years![/p][/quote]I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault.[/p][/quote]The spell-check function on a computer will not check for correct use in context. In other words, it will not check whether 'you're' (short for 'you are') and 'your' are being used correctly. For example, you have written, 'Your being asked', when you should have written, 'You're being asked'. In another instance, you wrote, 'Teachers don'; the word 'don' exists but is meaningless in this context. Neither does the spell-check function usually verify the spelling of proper nouns, for example 'Gordon' (Brown), which you have spelt incorrectly as 'Gordan'. I hope this helps. cgt
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loosehead says...

cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cgt wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SaintM wrote:
10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.
If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports .
A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports.
Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die.
I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise.
£10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?
I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with
24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point.
Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy.
When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it.
Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike?
when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public.
Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it
I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years!
I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault.
The spell-check function on a computer will not check for correct use in context. In other words, it will not check whether 'you're' (short for 'you are') and 'your' are being used correctly. For example, you have written, 'Your being asked', when you should have written, 'You're being asked'. In another instance, you wrote, 'Teachers don'; the word 'don' exists but is meaningless in this context. Neither does the spell-check function usually verify the spelling of proper nouns, for example 'Gordon' (Brown), which you have spelt incorrectly as 'Gordan'. I hope this helps.
usually I get your & you are correct & the don' I think is a pretty obvious missing letter ( t ) as I try to say you are rather than you're but if my wife is nagging me for being on the computer too much yes maybe that was the wrong use of your.
as for Gordon Brown if that is the correct spelling of Gordon I'll quite happily apologise for that spelling mistake.
After reading Southy's posts & several other left wingers I hope you are going to pull them up about their bad grammar & spelling mistakes as surely you will want to be even handed on your correction of the English written in these posts wont you?
[quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintM[/bold] wrote: 10,000 is more than most workers will get and they have to work all year not have 7 weeks off in the summer, inset days, days off if it snows, days away from teachin and starting salary well above average,overtime if stay to 4pm get real, teachers don, even each properly anymore, they get parents to do it.[/p][/quote]If you are old enough to remember, teachers use to run out of our sports teams but as they weren't getting paid for it & they were in a dispute for more money they stopped any out of hours activities this crucified youth sports . A whole generation grew up with no contact with sports. Sports clubs lost a generation of players ( football got off lightly) most clubs now have to look for volunteers & put aside a lot of the clubs resources to make sure they have a thriving youth club or they die. I personally love my sport & think this was very wrong & youth sports should be done because you love it not as a tool to get a pay rise. £10.000 a year pension plus government pension isn't to bad a wage is it?[/p][/quote]I am old enough to remember when this happened and aware enough to know that it still happens - not just sports but also school trips abroad, during teachers' free time with 24-hour responsibility for the accompanying staff, Duke of Edinburgh award camps and much more besides. People also forget that teachers have contributed, and continue to contribute, substantially to their own pensions. Please, please, please think carefully about what you read in the Tory-owned tabloids - They have their own agenda! Attacks are being made on public sector pensions to make up for the mistakes of bankers and the City, in other words, those whose interests most coincide with those of the Conservatives and their media. Public sector pensions are an easy target and source of funds to pay for mistakes of the wealthy.[/p][/quote]Sorry you don't seem to be getting the point. Anyone who worked in the private sector & paid for a private pension got screwed by Gordan Brown now with a lot less than they paid in they're being hit again by low interest rates which are needed to try to stimulate the economy. When they see public sector workers with their ring fenced pensions & getting yearly pay rise they can't believe it. Now your being asked to alter your pensions to come slightly in line with the private sector you strike? when local workers are asked to save jobs by taking a 5.5% maximum pay cut & a freeze on pay rises they come back with 18% cuts as they've included the pay rises & are anti council & joe public. Now if this headmistress can do the job of two headteachers & save the city some money whilst improving these schools & the education of the pupils Great I can't see a problem with it[/p][/quote]I get your point entirely. It's just not a very good one! Your reasoning is as faulty as your spelling and grammar. My own pension will not be affected one iota by any changes but I resent the injustice that public sector workers are being told they must endure in the future. Also, there are no yearly pay rises for teachers - They have been frozen for two years![/p][/quote]I quite agree my grammar isn't that great but please show me where the spelling mistakes are? I have my computer on spelling correction so if it's spelt wrong my computer must be at fault.[/p][/quote]The spell-check function on a computer will not check for correct use in context. In other words, it will not check whether 'you're' (short for 'you are') and 'your' are being used correctly. For example, you have written, 'Your being asked', when you should have written, 'You're being asked'. In another instance, you wrote, 'Teachers don'; the word 'don' exists but is meaningless in this context. Neither does the spell-check function usually verify the spelling of proper nouns, for example 'Gordon' (Brown), which you have spelt incorrectly as 'Gordan'. I hope this helps.[/p][/quote]usually I get your & you are correct & the don' I think is a pretty obvious missing letter ( t ) as I try to say you are rather than you're but if my wife is nagging me for being on the computer too much yes maybe that was the wrong use of your. as for Gordon Brown if that is the correct spelling of Gordon I'll quite happily apologise for that spelling mistake. After reading Southy's posts & several other left wingers I hope you are going to pull them up about their bad grammar & spelling mistakes as surely you will want to be even handed on your correction of the English written in these posts wont you? loosehead
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