Liverpool to launch turnaround cruises within months, leader claims (From Daily Echo)

Bring it on, competition will hopefully act in our favour given our track record

Bring it on!! well done Liverpool you truly deserve it , a popular tourist destination not just a terminal.
can't wait for the next phase terminal to be built and the further terminal which peel will be biulding further up the dock ...the ships are back home.

cunard next to come home...would be the icing on the cake!!!

Well done Liverpool. At last people in the UK can set off from the centre of a world heritage city. Surrounded by fantastic world class museams.

Already 2 carriers have confirmed they will be sailing from the city. A planning application has been submitted for handling facilities and a second terminal is planned for liverpool waters. Southhampton will have to up its game.

I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside.

My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I find it most peculiar that people from Merseyside are posting here bragging (do you know this guy has an actual agreement? it's not been announced!) but free country and all that!

If they're repaying the FULL subsidy then that's fine and no problem will exist. You do wonder though how they are obtaining this money in these times of cuts, and whether the people of Liverpool will suffer because of this?

If Southampton council had minded their own business then Liverpool would only have been a port-of-call because of the EU subsidy money. Now Liverpool are being force to pay this back, Liverpool can now offer full berthing facilities to cruise operators.

They can now run cruise ships based in Liverpool. Thanks Southampton City council, that went well.

Goldenwight wrote:
I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside.

My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

Class as ever from our Hampshire cousins shines through re the above comment.

Still all is well that ends well.

Aye, aye Captain full steam ahead.

Joe for Mayor is a given.

Royston, "Dibden Jimmy" Lawrie Mac etc couldn't stop common sense shining through. Wrong tactics from day one.

Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Really great news for the city. Can't wait to see the big ships returning home.

Goldenwight wrote:
I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside.

My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:
I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside.

My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Excellent news Sloyne,
we will make you and your clients very very welcome.

My God the locals were so vocal in the past,where are they now? and as we pointed out by us,you're only delaying the inevitable! Well off you go with your tails between your legs,this will sit nicely alongside the 5.5 Bn Liverpool Waters scheme.As my name says "WHO'S LAUGHING NOW" LMFAO.

Oh and Fred Olsen are returning to the city next year,have that too you one trick pony! Muhahaha.

KenDodd wrote:
Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Hey Ken ...... Why dont you shock us all and say something intelligent !!.
.
By the way .... how is your dads dog ..... ...... is he dead yet

Lone Ranger. wrote:

KenDodd wrote:
Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Hey Ken ...... Why dont you shock us all and say something intelligent !!.
.
By the way .... how is your dads dog ..... ...... is he dead yet

Liverpool is a far better city than Southampton and will go from strength to strength in the cruise industry now that the shackles are off.
We will massacre the northern trade that your entire industry is dependant on because no one with a brian would choose to go Southampton when they now have a
superior option!
INTELLIGENT ENOUGH FOR YOU....HAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAH.
Maybe you'll be very popular in Soothampton with your username now that you're condenmed to be a one horse town.

KenDodd wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

KenDodd wrote:
Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Hey Ken ...... Why dont you shock us all and say something intelligent !!.
.
By the way .... how is your dads dog ..... ...... is he dead yet

Liverpool is a far better city than Southampton and will go from strength to strength in the cruise industry now that the shackles are off.
We will massacre the northern trade that your entire industry is dependant on because no one with a brian would choose to go Southampton when they now have a
superior option!
INTELLIGENT ENOUGH FOR YOU....HAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAH.
Maybe you'll be very popular in Soothampton with your username now that you're condenmed to be a one horse town.

And i though scousers had a sense of humour

KenDodd wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

KenDodd wrote:
Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Hey Ken ...... Why dont you shock us all and say something intelligent !!.
.
By the way .... how is your dads dog ..... ...... is he dead yet

Liverpool is a far better city than Southampton and will go from strength to strength in the cruise industry now that the shackles are off.
We will massacre the northern trade that your entire industry is dependant on because no one with a brian would choose to go Southampton when they now have a
superior option!
INTELLIGENT ENOUGH FOR YOU....HAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAH.
Maybe you'll be very popular in Soothampton with your username now that you're condenmed to be a one horse town.

Oh and I put in some spelling mistakes for you, just so you can gloat about northern intelligence, hehe

KenDodd wrote:

KenDodd wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

KenDodd wrote:
Congratulations Liverpool. No more carbon footprints heading to drab and depressing Southampton on Ikea!
I wonderful heritage city that can easily accommodate the 70% of Southampton cruise customers that arrive weekly from the Scotland, northern England and north Wales, welcome one and all!

Hey Ken ...... Why dont you shock us all and say something intelligent !!.
.
By the way .... how is your dads dog ..... ...... is he dead yet

Liverpool is a far better city than Southampton and will go from strength to strength in the cruise industry now that the shackles are off.
We will massacre the northern trade that your entire industry is dependant on because no one with a brian would choose to go Southampton when they now have a
superior option!
INTELLIGENT ENOUGH FOR YOU....HAHAHAHAHAHAH


AHAHAH.
Maybe you'll be very popular in Soothampton with your username now that you're condenmed to be a one horse town.

Oh and I put in some spelling mistakes for you, just so you can gloat about northern intelligence, hehe

I didnt think that you did have any intelegence thats why i accepted the spelling mistakes as the "norm" for you.
.

planning permission granted to Liverpool - having been battered and bruised by it's jealous rivals from southampton and the north east-set to pay back whatever is asked of us.
But these payments will be made from a position of strength.
Liverpool can now look forward with pride to a fantastic new era for our world-famous waterfront.
Southampton took it upon themselves to make life difficult for Liverpool.
We have been especially critical of the hypocrites of Southampton -and they have fully -earned every insultive adjective.
But no Liverpool moves on - and now looks ahead our waterfront enjoying a new lease of life, as well further chapters being written in Liverpool's proud maritime history.
And we look forward to cruise liner passengers having more choice-poor old Southampton, how will they be able to live with us!! lol

WELL DONE LIVERPOOL...a world class city with a world class cruise facility. Lets hope Cunard return to their spiritual home on the banks of the River Mersey in front of our 3 Graces. After all whats Southampton famous for, the TRANSIT VAN....

Can i also mention, i am disgusted From the people of Southampton in there uneducated remarks towards the city of Liverpool ,
And the people from the north will remember this as they do (DID) use your terminal.
And i for one will be using liverpools new termnal...

ronn12 wrote:
Can i also mention, i am disgusted From the people of Southampton in there uneducated remarks towards the city of Liverpool ,
And the people from the north will remember this as they do (DID) use your terminal.
And i for one will be using liverpools new termnal...

Liverpools new terminal ........ Do they have buses up there then

Eat your heart out on a plastic tray!!!!

Fantastic news and a second facility is already planned.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

ronn12 wrote:
Can i also mention, i am disgusted From the people of Southampton in there uneducated remarks towards the city of Liverpool ,
And the people from the north will remember this as they do (DID) use your terminal.
And i for one will be using liverpools new termnal...

Liverpools new terminal ........ Do they have buses up there then

yeah they do as where a modern city!!!
I believe you have horse and cart ?lol

ronn12 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

ronn12 wrote:
Can i also mention, i am disgusted From the people of Southampton in there uneducated remarks towards the city of Liverpool ,
And the people from the north will remember this as they do (DID) use your terminal.
And i for one will be using liverpools new termnal...

Liverpools new terminal ........ Do they have buses up there then

yeah they do as where a modern city!!!
I believe you have horse and cart ?lol

haaaaa lone ranger i bet your the town sherriff for your one horse town!!!!

Southampton people, don't all be bitter like your council leader Royston smith, aswell as the ABP port director Doug Morrisom. Liverpool is a fantastic city,with fantastic friendly people. It has more grade 1 listed buildings than any other city outside London. There are more parks and trees than any other city in the uk. The waterfront is one of the best sites you'll ever see, that's why it has world herritage status. Don't believe what the southern biased press say Liverpool is a fantastic place loved by people from all over the globe and Deserves this cruise terminal. As for Southampton It's not far from Winchester, which is a beautiful city. The medeveil capital of England ( i think )

Lone Ranger,do we have buses LOL,we have a fully electrified train network complete with an Underground below the City Centre which also travels under the River Mersey.

One world class city, two cathedrals, two premier league teams, three graces, one billion pound Liverpool ONE, seventy two million pound Museum on the waterfront not to mention the TATE, Walker, Albert Dock and a fantastic Arena and convention centre (and that’s just within a short distance from our berthing facility) No wonder the cruise companies want to come back to Liverpool just ask Fred Olsen, they have booked ten already!!

Yet again, depressing, inaccurate and offensive comments from the Trolls of Southampton and also some equally pathetic comments from up here in Liverpool. Read the report:- Joe Anderson says that the Government decision will be the arbiter on this matter and will set the monies to be repaid by Liverpool, surely that should end the matter once and for all.
The original agreement should never have been made with the restrictions laid down, and the Liberal Council of the time should never have made that agreement, but maybe we are seeing the end of the argument and the two cities should accept it, and get on with each other rather than continuing this constant bickering. I must also say that I am still amazed at the level of animosity levelled at Liverpool and it's people and find it difficult to understand or condone.

No comments from Scousers about how Liverpool's port was financed by the slave trade? No comment about the streets of empty houses that litter their city? Come down south and you'll find few empty homes, most are filled by escaping Northerners.

Condor Man wrote:
No comments from Scousers about how Liverpool's port was financed by the slave trade? No comment about the streets of empty houses that litter their city? Come down south and you'll find few empty homes, most are filled by escaping Northerners.

Do you live in the Southampton that I know? I think not, there's good and bad in both cities. YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW LIVERPOOL, OR IT'S SURROUNDING AREA, there are some bad derelict areas in the city but getting less and less, also many areas with excellent housing private and public, excellent road/rail network probably the best shopping centre in the UK (voted so in the USA) I don't think its worth going on because it will fall on deaf ears with very little between them.

Tom Liverpool wrote:
Yet again, depressing, inaccurate and offensive comments from the Trolls of Southampton and also some equally pathetic comments from up here in Liverpool. Read the report:- Joe Anderson says that the Government decision will be the arbiter on this matter and will set the monies to be repaid by Liverpool, surely that should end the matter once and for all.
The original agreement should never have been made with the restrictions laid down, and the Liberal Council of the time should never have made that agreement, but maybe we are seeing the end of the argument and the two cities should accept it, and get on with each other rather than continuing this constant bickering. I must also say that I am still amazed at the level of animosity levelled at Liverpool and it's people and find it difficult to understand or condone.

Tom I'm not going to slag down Liverpool but ABP & the other ports did say all monies to be paid back in full so there could be a legal challenge by those ports.
A local MEP has got assurances from Europe if the turnaround facilities are granted Europe would want all their money back?
I have not heard anything from ABP on the news.
Penning hasn't made a decision yet but your council is crowing already but that could be pie in their faces still.
I wish & hope all ports could have sorted this but Felixstowe has set a precedence so watch this space.
In it's hay day the port employed hundreds now not that many & many are temps or on the minimum wage. our City get no revenue from the berths as it goes to ABP & so would it go to Peel ports if you build a second one.
I would hate to see the ships go as I like to watch them slip out of port but please don't get it into your heads as your council leader seems to think that it will solve your unemployment over night it won't
Come down here & see how many unemployed there are & see how many Eastern Europeans there are maybe if they think there's more work in Liverpool they'll move there?
that would increase the price of properties & rents as it has here All The Best

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:
Yet again, depressing, inaccurate and offensive comments from the Trolls of Southampton and also some equally pathetic comments from up here in Liverpool. Read the report:- Joe Anderson says that the Government decision will be the arbiter on this matter and will set the monies to be repaid by Liverpool, surely that should end the matter once and for all.
The original agreement should never have been made with the restrictions laid down, and the Liberal Council of the time should never have made that agreement, but maybe we are seeing the end of the argument and the two cities should accept it, and get on with each other rather than continuing this constant bickering. I must also say that I am still amazed at the level of animosity levelled at Liverpool and it's people and find it difficult to understand or condone.

Tom I'm not going to slag down Liverpool but ABP & the other ports did say all monies to be paid back in full so there could be a legal challenge by those ports.
A local MEP has got assurances from Europe if the turnaround facilities are granted Europe would want all their money back?
I have not heard anything from ABP on the news.
Penning hasn't made a decision yet but your council is crowing already but that could be pie in their faces still.
I wish & hope all ports could have sorted this but Felixstowe has set a precedence so watch this space.
In it's hay day the port employed hundreds now not that many & many are temps or on the minimum wage. our City get no revenue from the berths as it goes to ABP & so would it go to Peel ports if you build a second one.
I would hate to see the ships go as I like to watch them slip out of port but please don't get it into your heads as your council leader seems to think that it will solve your unemployment over night it won't
Come down here & see how many unemployed there are & see how many Eastern Europeans there are maybe if they think there's more work in Liverpool they'll move there?
that would increase the price of properties & rents as it has here All The Best

Loosehead couldn't agree more but if Joe Anderson is telling the truth (and most reports up here indicate he is) then possibly the matter is settled once and for all and we up here will not have to make that long expensive journey South to start our cruises. Also I believe that this change will not significantly affect Southamptons business as I believe that it is mainly from the area from Birmingham south. Most people north of that Fly/Cruise.

scousertommy wrote:
WELL DONE LIVERPOOL...a world class city with a world class cruise facility. Lets hope Cunard return to their spiritual home on the banks of the River Mersey in front of our 3 Graces. After all whats Southampton famous for, the TRANSIT VAN....

What's Liverpool famous for then? Oh yeah a footy team that likes to live on its past!! Lets face facts - Southampton is a sh*thole, Liverpool is a sh*thole! Some of the comments from your other mates from up there are a bit personal and now I see why most of the country can't stand you scallywags !!! Are you lot getting excited because of all the new cars that are gonna be parked up there so you can stick to what u do best and nick 'em !!!

Tom Liverpool wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
No comments from Scousers about how Liverpool's port was financed by the slave trade? No comment about the streets of empty houses that litter their city? Come down south and you'll find few empty homes, most are filled by escaping Northerners.

Do you live in the Southampton that I know? I think not, there's good and bad in both cities. YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW LIVERPOOL, OR IT'S SURROUNDING AREA, there are some bad derelict areas in the city but getting less and less, also many areas with excellent housing private and public, excellent road/rail network probably the best shopping centre in the UK (voted so in the USA) I don't think its worth going on because it will fall on deaf ears with very little between them.

I think the fundamental difference between the cities is the fact that Liverpool has become dependent on public money whereas most of the investment here has come from private sources. You also have to consider that London is only 70 miles away, most cruise passengers are coming from our region so you'll need to tap into the market north of Watford.

julesvern wrote:
Southampton people, don't all be bitter like your council leader Royston smith, aswell as the ABP port director Doug Morrisom. Liverpool is a fantastic city,with fantastic friendly people. It has more grade 1 listed buildings than any other city outside London. There are more parks and trees than any other city in the uk. The waterfront is one of the best sites you'll ever see, that's why it has world herritage status. Don't believe what the southern biased press say Liverpool is a fantastic place loved by people from all over the globe and Deserves this cruise terminal. As for Southampton It's not far from Winchester, which is a beautiful city. The medeveil capital of England ( i think )

So why does your house and car insurance cost twice as much as mine if its such a lovely place to live ?? The figures speak for themselves pmsl xx

ronn12 wrote:
Can i also mention, i am disgusted From the people of Southampton in there uneducated remarks towards the city of Liverpool ,
And the people from the north will remember this as they do (DID) use your terminal.
And i for one will be using liverpools new termnal...

Oh no please don't - but then having said that - care to tell me what difference it gonna make to any of us if you take your 1 trip a year from somewhere else? Idiot

scousertommy wrote:
One world class city, two cathedrals, two premier league teams, three graces, one billion pound Liverpool ONE, seventy two million pound Museum on the waterfront not to mention the TATE, Walker, Albert Dock and a fantastic Arena and convention centre (and that’s just within a short distance from our berthing facility) No wonder the cruise companies want to come back to Liverpool just ask Fred Olsen, they have booked ten already!!

U seem to be missing the point u thicko!! People ain't going on cruises to Liverpool - they are gonne be going on them from there!! No one is interested in what at the start or finish !! So I wouldn't flatter yourself too much - I mean come on, Manchester have got 2 much better football teams than yours but that doesnt make me wanna go on holiday there - you pratt !!

Lets be honest Liverpool as a city is ten times better than southampton despite the childish remarks.

Condor Man. Please look up your facts before you say things that are so untrue, the money 10 to 15 years ago was Eu grants. but more recently has been private, new hotels, Jaguar, Liverpool One (more than a Billion pound) Peel Holdings Wirral Waters and Mersey waters £11 in total. Big money and all private. Say no more.

Tom Liverpool wrote:
Condor Man. Please look up your facts before you say things that are so untrue, the money 10 to 15 years ago was Eu grants. but more recently has been private, new hotels, Jaguar, Liverpool One (more than a Billion pound) Peel Holdings Wirral Waters and Mersey waters £11 in total. Big money and all private. Say no more.

Not £11 I meant £11Billion.

Tom dont argue with them they are bitter going on about stealing cars etc childish bitter people.

andysaints007 wrote:

scousertommy wrote: WELL DONE LIVERPOOL...a world class city with a world class cruise facility. Lets hope Cunard return to their spiritual home on the banks of the River Mersey in front of our 3 Graces. After all whats Southampton famous for, the TRANSIT VAN....

What's Liverpool famous for then? Oh yeah a footy team that likes to live on its past!! Lets face facts - Southampton is a sh*thole, Liverpool is a sh*thole! Some of the comments from your other mates from up there are a bit personal and now I see why most of the country can't stand you scallywags !!! Are you lot getting excited because of all the new cars that are gonna be parked up there so you can stick to what u do best and nick 'em !!!

No we are getting excited over nicking all your cruises.

Robert.b wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

scousertommy wrote: WELL DONE LIVERPOOL...a world class city with a world class cruise facility. Lets hope Cunard return to their spiritual home on the banks of the River Mersey in front of our 3 Graces. After all whats Southampton famous for, the TRANSIT VAN....

What's Liverpool famous for then? Oh yeah a footy team that likes to live on its past!! Lets face facts - Southampton is a sh*thole, Liverpool is a sh*thole! Some of the comments from your other mates from up there are a bit personal and now I see why most of the country can't stand you scallywags !!! Are you lot getting excited because of all the new cars that are gonna be parked up there so you can stick to what u do best and nick 'em !!!

No we are getting excited over nicking all your cruises.

They not 'my' cruises mate - I personally couldn't give a monkeys!!! Don't get too excited though cos the only people that will benefit are the east europeans and all the phillipino's working on the ships and hotels nearby !! You can have em mate

Robert.b wrote:
Tom dont argue with them they are bitter going on about stealing cars etc childish bitter people.

You started it you pathetic little pr*ck

Robert.b wrote:
Lets be honest Liverpool as a city is ten times better than southampton despite the childish remarks.

Why are you actually on our site down here then if not to be 'childish !!! Anyway I can't wait to see your East European community grow now - that should be fun to read about in a few years - enjoy !! lol

I live in liverpool south no crime here ??
Liverpool safest city in uk , look it up!! Dooshbags

Just to confirm Liverpool has got turnaround status the new baggage terminal will be in operation by may .
2nd multi million pound terminal to be built by peel holdings further up dick along side the 5 billion water development .. I can see that alot of people from Southampton are so interested here is the link for what is happening in Luverpool if you dare to look . It should shut u all up . And it's all private money .
Www.liverpooldevelop
mentsummary
Enjoy and weep suckers

WWW.LIVERPOOL.DEVELO
PMENTSUMMARY

Liverpool waters is a city inside a city 5.5 billion pounds of private investment.

And finally I have been to Southampton it is really one dump nothing going on miserable people ,no hotels just besits and hostels ,with 2 b+bs ,restaurants wimpy from the 80's
Now Liverpool you have the likes of the Hilton the new Harvey Nichols moving to Liverpool , Liverpool one , and the things to do is endless . Southampton have got a cheek

Last week the echo in Southampton front page news skyscrapper 15 storey flats haaaaaa

Skyscraper lol Liverpools king edward tower announced last week 271 metres.

Anyway my parents sailed from Southampton for the last time as my mothers case was stolen , when she eventually got it back her underwear was taken and soap .

Sorry King edward tower is 217 metres 67 floors Shangai tower 200m 50 floors that area is going to look amazing.

andysaints007 wrote:

Robert.b wrote: Lets be honest Liverpool as a city is ten times better than southampton despite the childish remarks.

Why are you actually on our site down here then if not to be 'childish !!! Anyway I can't wait to see your East European community grow now - that should be fun to read about in a few years - enjoy !! lol

Liverpool has always been multicultural.We have lot's eastern europeans already in this city. Aswell as the oldest chinese community in brittain, the first mosque ever built in this country. We have every race of people livin in this city and proud of it. That's what makes us unique. We can accept any race creed and culture. We are all one, and people in Liverpool know that. (down with boarders )

And oldest black community in Britain 400 years old.

The Port Authority will have other fish to fry when Thames Gateway comes on line and impacts on Southamptons container trade. Traditional trades for the port are changing, do they have the know how to adapt. Interesting times.

Robert.b wrote:
And oldest black community in Britain 400 years old.

Robert the list is endless!

ronn12 wrote:
And finally I have been to Southampton it is really one dump nothing going on miserable people ,no hotels just besits and hostels ,with 2 b+bs ,restaurants wimpy from the 80's
Now Liverpool you have the likes of the Hilton the new Harvey Nichols moving to Liverpool , Liverpool one , and the things to do is endless . Southampton have got a cheek

ronn what do you mean no hotels?
Grand Harbour,Trust house Forte,Ibis,Novotel,D
olphin Hotel these are just a few so where were you looking?

I've tried to point it out in my past post that the amount of people actually employed in the docks or in relation to the cruise ships isn't that much.
you have ships chandlers but many don't actually come from Southampton(London)
you have Dockies.
for the coach drivers from the North & the few tourists who want to bother finding out the history of the city .
When you slag off Southampton just take into consideration we have the Isle of Wight with all it's yachting events( Cowes week) which many cruise ship passengers go to .
for history we have King Canutes palace & numerous tudor/medieval buildings & the old castle walls.
We also have Winchester in easy reach.
Many of the tourists come from up North one from Durham loved the fact she got sunburnt in Southampton in September as it was over 30%,
I think before your crazy element write to much they should research into the amount of jobs reliant on the cruise industry.
Also I hope the knockers of our council take notice as this council is doing all it can to bring in visitors to the city yet the left & the unions are doing the opposite.
I have heard that the European grant will have to be paid or there could/will be a legal challenge & a MEP will be insisting the EU ask for their money back so hold fire on your crowing it ain't over yet

Council leader Joe Anderson has his priorities wrong & should be investing money in projects around Liverpool & Merseyside for Local Communities in times of hardship & recession, What benefits will this bring to people in need of housing in Liverpool when the money could be spent on that, investing money in to a cruise terminal funded with council money will cost him his job, I’m sure if you asked the True Liverpudlians where the money should be spent they would tell him. At least Southampton’s Terminals were all privately funded !

Totton Ric wrote:
Council leader Joe Anderson has his priorities wrong & should be investing money in projects around Liverpool & Merseyside for Local Communities in times of hardship & recession, What benefits will this bring to people in need of housing in Liverpool when the money could be spent on that, investing money in to a cruise terminal funded with council money will cost him his job, I’m sure if you asked the True Liverpudlians where the money should be spent they would tell him. At least Southampton’s Terminals were all privately funded !

So do you think we blew it over Dibden Bay?

loosehead wrote:

Totton Ric wrote: Council leader Joe Anderson has his priorities wrong & should be investing money in projects around Liverpool & Merseyside for Local Communities in times of hardship & recession, What benefits will this bring to people in need of housing in Liverpool when the money could be spent on that, investing money in to a cruise terminal funded with council money will cost him his job, I’m sure if you asked the True Liverpudlians where the money should be spent they would tell him. At least Southampton’s Terminals were all privately funded !

So do you think we blew it over Dibden Bay?

Hope Not

Ah, Liverpool's burgeoning shipping industry. Look at the success of the Liverpool Produce Terminal. The shipping industry's route to the north for fresh produce. Opening in 2008 or 2009 it went through four owners before it was realised it just didn't work. What's that new build being used for now?

andysaints007 wrote:

scousertommy wrote: One world class city, two cathedrals, two premier league teams, three graces, one billion pound Liverpool ONE, seventy two million pound Museum on the waterfront not to mention the TATE, Walker, Albert Dock and a fantastic Arena and convention centre (and that’s just within a short distance from our berthing facility) No wonder the cruise companies want to come back to Liverpool just ask Fred Olsen, they have booked ten already!!

U seem to be missing the point u thicko!! People ain't going on cruises to Liverpool - they are gonne be going on them from there!! No one is interested in what at the start or finish !! So I wouldn't flatter yourself too much - I mean come on, Manchester have got 2 much better football teams than yours but that doesnt make me wanna go on holiday there - you pratt !!

Now, now Andy get back in your pram you southern softie...passengers don't want to come to southampton prior or post cruise becasue there's nothing to see or do (unless you get on a bus or train and go somewhere else).
Unlike Liverpool which is also a cruise destination and port of call not just somewhere you get on or get off a ship. Don't you think cruise passengers would rather get on a ship on the banks of a world famous river and world heritage site rather than down in Southampton in the middle of a scruffy and industrial dock setting...come on.
Oh and by the way don't get me started on football when your city's greatest ever sucsess was in 1976!! YNWA.
I do hope the Saints get promotion next year as it will give you all a chance to look at our superb cruise liner facility which just might have one of our Cunarders alongside...ENJOY!!

Two better football teams who both lost on three occasions to our teams as recently as the last fortnight LOL.
You're right,Liverpool fans need to stop living in the past,I mean,since the year 2000,they've only been in TWO Champions League Finals,won the UEFA Cup,won TWO FA Cups,won TWO League Cups (and in another final)won TWO European Super Cups and TWO Community Shields,LMFAO at that crock of **** that modern day footie fans trot out.If you're team had a history to match that Decade you'd be proud and you say these are the lean times,we'll have more of the LOL.

Who's laughing now wrote:
Two better football teams who both lost on three occasions to our teams as recently as the last fortnight LOL. You're right,Liverpool fans need to stop living in the past,I mean,since the year 2000,they've only been in TWO Champions League Finals,won the UEFA Cup,won TWO FA Cups,won TWO League Cups (and in another final)won TWO European Super Cups and TWO Community Shields,LMFAO at that crock of **** that modern day footie fans trot out.If you're team had a history to match that Decade you'd be proud and you say these are the lean times,we'll have more of the LOL.

And won the Champions league.

Its all gone quite down in Hampshire!!

scousertommy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

scousertommy wrote: One world class city, two cathedrals, two premier league teams, three graces, one billion pound Liverpool ONE, seventy two million pound Museum on the waterfront not to mention the TATE, Walker, Albert Dock and a fantastic Arena and convention centre (and that’s just within a short distance from our berthing facility) No wonder the cruise companies want to come back to Liverpool just ask Fred Olsen, they have booked ten already!!

U seem to be missing the point u thicko!! People ain't going on cruises to Liverpool - they are gonne be going on them from there!! No one is interested in what at the start or finish !! So I wouldn't flatter yourself too much - I mean come on, Manchester have got 2 much better football teams than yours but that doesnt make me wanna go on holiday there - you pratt !!

Now, now Andy get back in your pram you southern softie...passengers don't want to come to southampton prior or post cruise becasue there's nothing to see or do (unless you get on a bus or train and go somewhere else).
Unlike Liverpool which is also a cruise destination and port of call not just somewhere you get on or get off a ship. Don't you think cruise passengers would rather get on a ship on the banks of a world famous river and world heritage site rather than down in Southampton in the middle of a scruffy and industrial dock setting...come on.
Oh and by the way don't get me started on football when your city's greatest ever sucsess was in 1976!! YNWA.
I do hope the Saints get promotion next year as it will give you all a chance to look at our superb cruise liner facility which just might have one of our Cunarders alongside...ENJOY!!

Tommy lad
I had to smile at your comment about 'our superb cruise liner facility'
It will be a temporary tent on Princes Dock!!!
Make sure it is well secured as the wind off the Irish Sea can be a bit fierce at times.
Because of the restricted footprint and no overhead passenger gangways, only small ships will be able to use it.
Interesting that the initial plan for the current £17 grant funded calling cruise terminal called for 50 cruise ship visits at the new Landing Stage after 3 years from opening.
Average has been 16 per year losing Liverpool Council £500k pa.
Hope you Liverpool rate payers have deep pockets going forward!!

Please stop going on about football! I for one love a far better sport(RFU) .
The remarks from scousers on here sounds like they're all at football games.
How many people from Birkenhead & Wallasey look repulsed at being called scousers or being asked do you come from Liverpool?
I have a friend who goes on a lot of cruises.
he asked some Northern passengers what do you think of sailing from Liverpool?
the answer was they wouldn't. they like coming to Southampton & they come a week early as they love spending time in the city.
If they had no choice they would just get there in time for the ship go on a cruise & then go straight home after. so hows that going to bring jobs to your city?
On the present arrangement they stop go sight seeing spend money & then get back on board surely that is/would bring in more revenue to the shops & attractions than people going straight to & from the ships?

Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool...
I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme.
Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

scousertommy wrote:
Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool... I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme. Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

Is this Joe Anderson talking,lol.
Nothing like healthy competition, we will just build another new terminal from private funding, Oh did I forget to mention we have Rail Links to both the new & old parts of the Docks that take you within 10 meters of the Dock side, Hassle Free & seems the Boat Trains are now full after restarting last year, that’s the way forward, LOL

Totton Ric wrote:

scousertommy wrote: Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool... I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme. Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

Is this Joe Anderson talking,lol. Nothing like healthy competition, we will just build another new terminal from private funding, Oh did I forget to mention we have Rail Links to both the new & old parts of the Docks that take you within 10 meters of the Dock side, Hassle Free & seems the Boat Trains are now full after restarting last year, that’s the way forward, LOL

Healthy competition eh, so why all the cribbing and crying by Southampton then...
Private investement, what do you think Peel is with Liverpool Waters and the Duke of Westminster did with his billion pound he pumped into Liverpool ONE which incidentaly is a five minute walk from our cruise liner facility on our glorious waterfront...makes you proud to be a Scouser!!
Looks like we have taken over your local newspaper too...

loosehead wrote:
Please stop going on about football! I for one love a far better sport(RFU) .
The remarks from scousers on here sounds like they're all at football games.
How many people from Birkenhead & Wallasey look repulsed at being called scousers or being asked do you come from Liverpool?
I have a friend who goes on a lot of cruises.
he asked some Northern passengers what do you think of sailing from Liverpool?
the answer was they wouldn't. they like coming to Southampton & they come a week early as they love spending time in the city.
If they had no choice they would just get there in time for the ship go on a cruise & then go straight home after. so hows that going to bring jobs to your city?
On the present arrangement they stop go sight seeing spend money & then get back on board surely that is/would bring in more revenue to the shops & attractions than people going straight to & from the ships?

The people from all over the North of England,Scotland and North Wales will find it so easy to go from Liverpool,why on Earth would you want to travel to the back of beyond when Liverpool is so much closer and has so much more to offer? Seriously LOL you city's a tiny back water.

scousertommy wrote:
Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool...
I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme.
Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

Respect to Peel for their plans as they do not appear to be underwritten by State aid, £2 billion worth of which has been given to Merseyside in ther past 20 years.
Not sure how old you are Tommy but by Peel's own admission these grand, multi million pound plans for Liverpool Waters, are not expected to be delivered within a 30-40 year timespan.

phil maccavity wrote:

scousertommy wrote:
Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool...
I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme.
Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

Respect to Peel for their plans as they do not appear to be underwritten by State aid, £2 billion worth of which has been given to Merseyside in ther past 20 years.
Not sure how old you are Tommy but by Peel's own admission these grand, multi million pound plans for Liverpool Waters, are not expected to be delivered within a 30-40 year timespan.

Work on Wirral Waters,it's sister project starts soon though with an International Trade Centre so who cares how long it takes or where we get the money from so as long as it gets built.I don't think I'm worried about whether our new arena is built with state aid when I'm at a concert,what a bizarre train of thought.

By the way,there's about £5 Billion pounds worth of development in the pipeline discounting the £11 Billion for both Liverpool and Wirral Waters,mmmm nice!

phil maccavity wrote:

scousertommy wrote: Tommy Lad get used to it fella its coming back home. The UK Government and the EU might as well save the money they were going to pump into the road improvements in Hampshire as everyone will be turning right off the M62 from next year. People will vote with their feet, so sit back and watch the local economy grow in the Peoples Republic of Liverpool... I will give you something though you did say "temporary" so you have obviously seen Peels plans for the second terminal within the Liverpool Waters scheme. Like I said come up next year and have a look if you manage to get in the Premier League, thats if you can find your way past Birmingham!!

Respect to Peel for their plans as they do not appear to be underwritten by State aid, £2 billion worth of which has been given to Merseyside in ther past 20 years. Not sure how old you are Tommy but by Peel's own admission these grand, multi million pound plans for Liverpool Waters, are not expected to be delivered within a 30-40 year timespan.

Rome wasn't built in a day my southern mate. Liverpool is a forward thinking city with forward thinking stakeholders such as Peel. They do plan the next cruise terminal within 2 years though and again this will be built alongside the world famous waterfront and not tucked away in a container terminal. According to your newspaper your new terminal is now on hold...won't be long now before the Cunarder's have LIVERPOOL on the back of them again!!

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

Congratulations! Perhaps now the thousands of Scousers that have been signing-on down here on the Costa del Dole will return to you!

Please excuse us Scousers if we are showing a little schadenfreude here. After all, only last week the Southern Echos was gloating that Liverpool's cruise liner ambitions were back to square one.

It has become quite apparent over the last few months that this argument is nothing to do with government or EU grants and everything to do with stifling competition. In fact, Southampton Council has opened a Pandora's Box by making such a fuss about this matter. Transport is riddled with subsidies and I believe that it has been calculated that Soton has received over £60m in public subsidies to improve the rail and road links to its port and hence improve its competitive edge to the detriment of other ports including Liverpool.

Whenever these issues are brought up, we get a lot of legalistic arguments from the Sotonians but Liverpool has a legalistic argument as well.

The 'cruise liner terminal' that we are meant to have been given free of charge is in actual fact nothing more than a landing stage - something that you don't need at Soton because of your much lower tidal range. So all that we have is - in Southampton terms - a length of quay wall, the cruise liner terminal still has to be built.

I think that most of us in Liverpool are just glad that we are finally getting this turnaround facility. If the first ships start using the new temporary terminal in May, I guess that they will be mainly ships diverted away from the very poor existing facilities at Bootle's Langton Dock - but it is good news that Fred Olsen has decided to return for 2013.

I don't know whether the terminal will make a profit in itself - although the increased number of ships must help reduce unit costs. However, the wider benefit will be to the city's tourist economy with more take up of hotel rooms and, I guess a fair proportion of cruise passengers will decide to stay a few nights in Liverpool and visit spend some more money here.

In the long term, we are very hopeful that Peel will develop a second terminal but that is tied up with the future of Liverpool Waters, which is yet to be decided.

As for Southampton, nobody has identified how much you will be affected by the new facility at Liverpool. There seems to be a general feeling that what is good for Liverpool must be bad for Southampton but that doesn't seem to be borne out by any in-depth research.

It is fairly obvious that a new turnaround facility serving the North West is going to bring many millions of people much closer to a cruise port than at present and, therefore, is going to expand the market for the British cruise industry. Now surely, expansion of the market cannot be harmful to Southampton?

After all, whilst I would love to think it would happen, I can't see Cunard suddenly upping sticks at Soton and moving their base back to Liverpool. Southampton has so many natural (i.e. unearned) advantages - closer to London and the affluent south-east, closer to Europe and with a twice daily double tide.

So, isn't it time to move on?Southampton has, after all, scored a victory of sorts. Liverpool is having to pay back much more money than it originally wanted but now we have agreed to whatever payment rules the government decides to impose on us.

I know that isn't enough for many people but look what this continual campaign is doing - stirring up all this hatred between people who I guess in most part have never visited the cities that they are deriding. We have even had a nasty racist element in some of these posts. It is no good for either of our cities.

Ironically, in a couple of months we will be commemorating the centenary of the Titanic sinking. A ship conceived in Liverpool, built in Belfast, sailed from Cobh and made its last British stop in Southampton. At least in those days we recognised the benefit of cooperation.

andysaints007 wrote:

Robert.b wrote:
Lets be honest Liverpool as a city is ten times better than southampton despite the childish remarks.

Why are you actually on our site down here then if not to be 'childish !!! Anyway I can't wait to see your East European community grow now - that should be fun to read about in a few years - enjoy !! lol

But hasn't Liverpool, since it's inception as a seaport, always been a magnet for immigrants? Not only the Irish but also Europeans from across the continent travelled to Liverpool to embark for a new life in the New World. Then Africans and their decendents from the Caribbean, Indians, Chinese and other far eastern countries arrived and decided to stay. So East Europeans will fit in and become Scousers just like every other group who, over the centuries, chose to remain in Liverpool and, no doubt Scousers will offer them a genuine welcome.

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

He's referring to the former European Capital of Culture and one of only 937 UNESCO World Heritage Sites,Manchester hasn't been or is neither.

See what people think on a cruise forum.

http://www.cruises.c
o.uk/109-cruise_news
/2253-liverpool_crui
se_holiday_hub_plans
_blocked_government.
html

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

European Capital of Culture 2008 (is that sophistcated enough for you) with arts, leisure, shopping, a vibrant night life, fantastic architecture too much to do so much to mention...
I am rightly proud of my great city, that can't be said for you 'goldenwight' why put your city down...shame on you!!
At least and potential tourists reading this now know to give Southampton a wide berth (pardon the pun)

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

A city with a world reknowned concert orchestra one of the worlds oldest, a maritime museum rated in the worlds top five, a city with five championship golf courses two of which are Open venues, boasting a world famous horse race, oldest repertory theatre in the UK, an art gallery second only to the National Gallery in London, a city with three iconic structures Waterfront/Anglican/
Catholic cathedrals, School of Tropical Medicine, then there is the Beatles legacy and two world famous EPL soccer teams. Sophistication? You may well ask.

MerseyMart wrote:
Please excuse us Scousers if we are showing a little schadenfreude here. After all, only last week the Southern Echos was gloating that Liverpool's cruise liner ambitions were back to square one.

It has become quite apparent over the last few months that this argument is nothing to do with government or EU grants and everything to do with stifling competition. In fact, Southampton Council has opened a Pandora's Box by making such a fuss about this matter. Transport is riddled with subsidies and I believe that it has been calculated that Soton has received over £60m in public subsidies to improve the rail and road links to its port and hence improve its competitive edge to the detriment of other ports including Liverpool.

Whenever these issues are brought up, we get a lot of legalistic arguments from the Sotonians but Liverpool has a legalistic argument as well.

The 'cruise liner terminal' that we are meant to have been given free of charge is in actual fact nothing more than a landing stage - something that you don't need at Soton because of your much lower tidal range. So all that we have is - in Southampton terms - a length of quay wall, the cruise liner terminal still has to be built.

I think that most of us in Liverpool are just glad that we are finally getting this turnaround facility. If the first ships start using the new temporary terminal in May, I guess that they will be mainly ships diverted away from the very poor existing facilities at Bootle's Langton Dock - but it is good news that Fred Olsen has decided to return for 2013.

I don't know whether the terminal will make a profit in itself - although the increased number of ships must help reduce unit costs. However, the wider benefit will be to the city's tourist economy with more take up of hotel rooms and, I guess a fair proportion of cruise passengers will decide to stay a few nights in Liverpool and visit spend some more money here.

In the long term, we are very hopeful that Peel will develop a second terminal but that is tied up with the future of Liverpool Waters, which is yet to be decided.

As for Southampton, nobody has identified how much you will be affected by the new facility at Liverpool. There seems to be a general feeling that what is good for Liverpool must be bad for Southampton but that doesn't seem to be borne out by any in-depth research.

It is fairly obvious that a new turnaround facility serving the North West is going to bring many millions of people much closer to a cruise port than at present and, therefore, is going to expand the market for the British cruise industry. Now surely, expansion of the market cannot be harmful to Southampton?

After all, whilst I would love to think it would happen, I can't see Cunard suddenly upping sticks at Soton and moving their base back to Liverpool. Southampton has so many natural (i.e. unearned) advantages - closer to London and the affluent south-east, closer to Europe and with a twice daily double tide.

So, isn't it time to move on?Southampton has, after all, scored a victory of sorts. Liverpool is having to pay back much more money than it originally wanted but now we have agreed to whatever payment rules the government decides to impose on us.

I know that isn't enough for many people but look what this continual campaign is doing - stirring up all this hatred between people who I guess in most part have never visited the cities that they are deriding. We have even had a nasty racist element in some of these posts. It is no good for either of our cities.

Ironically, in a couple of months we will be commemorating the centenary of the Titanic sinking. A ship conceived in Liverpool, built in Belfast, sailed from Cobh and made its last British stop in Southampton. At least in those days we recognised the benefit of cooperation.

Merseymart
A well presented and reasoned post.
A few comments:
I guess the main irritation down here has been the level of deciept shown by Liverpool Council regarding the original grant application. It is evident they knew all along that grants for a turnround facility would never be allowed, due to anti competition rules, so they obtained £17m of grant funding on the precedence of wanting a calling cruise terminal and then tried to apply for retrospective permission.
This now seems to have worked, albeit at a higher price than first thought
As for Liverpool needing a subsidy for a floating pontoon to deal with large tidal range. I think Tilbury has the same problem but no grant application there!!
The other area of irritation is the intial (behind closed doors) approach to Portsmouth to support Liverpool's application for turnround status once the grant money had been spent.
Interesting to see that Fred Olsen have announced they will start some cruises from Liverpool in 2013
Perhaps there may be a degree of schadenfreude here if some/all of these cruises are transferred from Portsmouth.
It will be interesting to see who pays for the required improvement in quayside terminal facilities in Liverpool (beyond the initial tent) to accommodate the larger cruise liners which predominate these days.
Unlikely any more Grants will be available so it will either be the commercial market or Liverpool taxpayers. Good luck then.

Very well done Liverpool - it will be great to see the liners setting sail from the River Mersey and from such a fantastic, global port city.

I'll be there to wave off the first liner and it will be emotional to see the first of many liners set sail.

To all those people who have been slagging off Liverpudlians, rolling out the same old small-minded, crude, stereotypical BS, I hope this news hurts and hurts a lot.

I'm absolutely 'over the moon'.

Fantastic news!

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

A city with a world reknowned concert orchestra one of the worlds oldest, a maritime museum rated in the worlds top five, a city with five championship golf courses two of which are Open venues, boasting a world famous horse race, oldest repertory theatre in the UK, an art gallery second only to the National Gallery in London, a city with three iconic structures Waterfront/Anglican/ Catholic cathedrals, School of Tropical Medicine, then there is the Beatles legacy and two world famous EPL soccer teams. Sophistication? You may well ask.

I never knew Manchester had all that. I must pay it a visit again.

All you Southerners having a go at Liverpool regarding stolen cars/hub caps etc you better look closer to home.

Offences against vehicles

Southampton
11.3 (per 1,000 population)

http://www.upmystree
t.com/local/crim...u
thampton.html


Liverpool (central)
9.4 (per 1,000 population)

http://www.upmystree
t.com/local/crime-in
-liverpool.html

Totton Ric wrote:
Council leader Joe Anderson has his priorities wrong & should be investing money in projects around Liverpool & Merseyside for Local Communities in times of hardship & recession, What benefits will this bring to people in need of housing in Liverpool when the money could be spent on that, investing money in to a cruise terminal funded with council money will cost him his job, I’m sure if you asked the True Liverpudlians where the money should be spent they would tell him. At least Southampton’s Terminals were all privately funded !

Cant you read, the money will be paid from funds received per ship over a number of years. Not from Liverpool's Council tax payers.

loosehead wrote:
Please stop going on about football! I for one love a far better sport(RFU) .
The remarks from scousers on here sounds like they're all at football games.
How many people from Birkenhead & Wallasey look repulsed at being called scousers or being asked do you come from Liverpool?
I have a friend who goes on a lot of cruises.
he asked some Northern passengers what do you think of sailing from Liverpool?
the answer was they wouldn't. they like coming to Southampton & they come a week early as they love spending time in the city.
If they had no choice they would just get there in time for the ship go on a cruise & then go straight home after. so hows that going to bring jobs to your city?
On the present arrangement they stop go sight seeing spend money & then get back on board surely that is/would bring in more revenue to the shops & attractions than people going straight to & from the ships?

Loosehead you may know people who would not sail from Liverpool but there is high percentage that would; this is another reason why they are planning second terminal.

Liverpool has a fantastic vibrant city centre with fantastic cutural offer in place. Peoples perception of Liverpool is changing and tourist numbers are increasing year on year.

That comment about Birkenhead/Wallasey is just stupid and bigoted. You will just have to live with the fact that Liverpool's regeneration has been a success and so will the cruise terminal/cruise terminals.

What Liverpool needs now is for some of the investment money to filter to suburbs. This can be done by welcoming some of those Southern based multi nationals relocating to Liverpool.

"Peoples perception of Liverpool" has not changed. The perception of Liverpool by, mainly, the southern dominated national tabloid press and it's anti-Liverpool bias is well known. However, in fact, among foreigners, Liverpool is still everyones favorite English city. And long may it be so.

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

A city with a world reknowned concert orchestra one of the worlds oldest, a maritime museum rated in the worlds top five, a city with five championship golf courses two of which are Open venues, boasting a world famous horse race, oldest repertory theatre in the UK, an art gallery second only to the National Gallery in London, a city with three iconic structures Waterfront/Anglican/ Catholic cathedrals, School of Tropical Medicine, then there is the Beatles legacy and two world famous EPL soccer teams. Sophistication? You may well ask.

I never knew Manchester had all that. I must pay it a visit again.

A poll by Cruises.co.uk asked people if they would take a cruise from Liverpool.
77% said they would.
The previous post stating that people in the North would not use Liverpool, given the poll result, are in the minority in a big way.

We are not talking about cruise lines moving headquarters to Liverpool.
But the demand is obviously there, and which company, in any enterprise, can deny the market
As Liverpool is highly regarded internationally, that is another market that Liverpool and the cruise industry can pursue, combining a cruise with a stay in the city.
As regards someone mentioning Manchester, would someone please list its attractions, as I am finding it very difficult to do this.
Its another one of those souless, sad land-locked cities in the UK, whose councilors have been qouted as saying, 'If only we had that Waterfront, there would be no stopping us.'
Of course , he was making reference to Liverpool's Waterfront.

steve068 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Please stop going on about football! I for one love a far better sport(RFU) .
The remarks from scousers on here sounds like they're all at football games.
How many people from Birkenhead & Wallasey look repulsed at being called scousers or being asked do you come from Liverpool?
I have a friend who goes on a lot of cruises.
he asked some Northern passengers what do you think of sailing from Liverpool?
the answer was they wouldn't. they like coming to Southampton & they come a week early as they love spending time in the city.
If they had no choice they would just get there in time for the ship go on a cruise & then go straight home after. so hows that going to bring jobs to your city?
On the present arrangement they stop go sight seeing spend money & then get back on board surely that is/would bring in more revenue to the shops & attractions than people going straight to & from the ships?

Loosehead you may know people who would not sail from Liverpool but there is high percentage that would; this is another reason why they are planning second terminal.

Liverpool has a fantastic vibrant city centre with fantastic cutural offer in place. Peoples perception of Liverpool is changing and tourist numbers are increasing year on year.

That comment about Birkenhead/Wallasey is just stupid and bigoted. You will just have to live with the fact that Liverpool's regeneration has been a success and so will the cruise terminal/cruise terminals.

What Liverpool needs now is for some of the investment money to filter to suburbs. This can be done by welcoming some of those Southern based multi nationals relocating to Liverpool.

Please explain to me "bigoted" I have watched several shows where they have talked to people from the Wirral & as with the above mentioned they don't like being called scousers yet my father comes from (came) birkenhead & was proud to be called a scouser so what's bought about the change in attitude?
Have your city council already got the green light from the EU? the cheque from them would be deemed as an unfair advantage & wouldn't be allowed under EWU rules but as a visiting jetty would so once again have you cleared this with them?

Rules for the use of EU grants, unlike those of the UK government, are not dependent on the vindictiveness of a Tory council speaking on behalf of a foreign (Channel Island) registered corporation.

I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

Manchester is a dump compared to Liverpool ???????

Sloyne wrote:
Rules for the use of EU grants, unlike those of the UK government, are not dependent on the vindictiveness of a Tory council speaking on behalf of a foreign (Channel Island) registered corporation.

Slyone please explain to me how ABP at Southampton,Dover,Ty
neside etc are vindictive Tory councils?
These are private companies seeing their investments being destroyed by a city of what was Liberals ( lying) & now Labour politicians using Tax payers money to destroy their investment,
If Liverpool had stuck with the original reason for the grants ( which we know now was a lie) there would be no articles no port war? so don't blame anyone else just blame the Liverpool politicians.
Just remember it was a Labour Government who refused you the change of use

Have you ever given any thought as to what the cruise lines actually think, they are behind Liverpool because their passengers have requested this through their many day visits and who would like to spend more time in a premier European city and region? Do you think the council have not done their homework (along with councils from Manchester and Chester ‘etc’ who will also benefit too) in securing this if they thought no one would use it…come on!!
Why wouldn’t Cunard want to berth up right outside its spiritual home, a building which they constructed and still has their name above the door!
And as for our Labour run authority, the newspapers, radio and TV though interviews with the people from this city are over the moon with this news and are fully behind Cllr Joe Anderson which is more than can be said for the Tory lot down in Hampshire.
This story has seemed to run its course in your local paper now because they know Liverpool have come out on top, instead they are now focussing on your new Titanic museum which looks like no one wants to visit either so the TORY council needs to give free tickets away to get people through the door!!

loosehead wrote:

steve068 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Please stop going on about football! I for one love a far better sport(RFU) .
The remarks from scousers on here sounds like they're all at football games.
How many people from Birkenhead & Wallasey look repulsed at being called scousers or being asked do you come from Liverpool?
I have a friend who goes on a lot of cruises.
he asked some Northern passengers what do you think of sailing from Liverpool?
the answer was they wouldn't. they like coming to Southampton & they come a week early as they love spending time in the city.
If they had no choice they would just get there in time for the ship go on a cruise & then go straight home after. so hows that going to bring jobs to your city?
On the present arrangement they stop go sight seeing spend money & then get back on board surely that is/would bring in more revenue to the shops & attractions than people going straight to & from the ships?

Loosehead you may know people who would not sail from Liverpool but there is high percentage that would; this is another reason why they are planning second terminal.

Liverpool has a fantastic vibrant city centre with fantastic cutural offer in place. Peoples perception of Liverpool is changing and tourist numbers are increasing year on year.

That comment about Birkenhead/Wallasey is just stupid and bigoted. You will just have to live with the fact that Liverpool's regeneration has been a success and so will the cruise terminal/cruise terminals.

What Liverpool needs now is for some of the investment money to filter to suburbs. This can be done by welcoming some of those Southern based multi nationals relocating to Liverpool.

Please explain to me "bigoted" I have watched several shows where they have talked to people from the Wirral & as with the above mentioned they don't like being called scousers yet my father comes from (came) birkenhead & was proud to be called a scouser so what's bought about the change in attitude?
Have your city council already got the green light from the EU? the cheque from them would be deemed as an unfair advantage & wouldn't be allowed under EWU rules but as a visiting jetty would so once again have you cleared this with them?

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

What has people from Wirral not liking being called Scousers got to to do with Cruise terminal. Do you know approx 15 million visits a year are made from Wirral to Liverpool so the Wirral people must not dislike Liverpool as much as you say; Do you know that 77% of Northerners would be prepared to sail from Liverpool instead of Southampton so your arguement has been proved wrong; Do you know the number of new hotels has more than quadrupled in last ten years so your arguement about tourist not wanting to stay in Liverpool has been proved wrong; do you know the number of tourists coming to liverpool in last 10 years has more than quaudrupled and by 2020 the tourist industry to Liverpool will be worth more than 4 Billion annually so your arguement has been proved wrong about people prefer Southampton to Liverpool.

You seem a bitter person. Sorry but that is what your comments make you come accross as!

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:
I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside.

My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Shame you can't spell finish!!! Some professional.

arizonan wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Which sophisticated European city are you talking about? Presumably you mean Manchester or Winchester, because Soton and Liverpool don't fit into that category. And I'm sure that our scouser cousins (well, the ones who can read anyway) will be delighted to hear you praising Manchester.

A city with a world reknowned concert orchestra one of the worlds oldest, a maritime museum rated in the worlds top five, a city with five championship golf courses two of which are Open venues, boasting a world famous horse race, oldest repertory theatre in the UK, an art gallery second only to the National Gallery in London, a city with three iconic structures Waterfront/Anglican/ Catholic cathedrals, School of Tropical Medicine, then there is the Beatles legacy and two world famous EPL soccer teams. Sophistication? You may well ask.

I never knew Manchester had all that. I must pay it a visit again.

A poll by Cruises.co.uk asked people if they would take a cruise from Liverpool.
77% said they would.
The previous post stating that people in the North would not use Liverpool, given the poll result, are in the minority in a big way.

We are not talking about cruise lines moving headquarters to Liverpool.
But the demand is obviously there, and which company, in any enterprise, can deny the market
As Liverpool is highly regarded internationally, that is another market that Liverpool and the cruise industry can pursue, combining a cruise with a stay in the city.
As regards someone mentioning Manchester, would someone please list its attractions, as I am finding it very difficult to do this.
Its another one of those souless, sad land-locked cities in the UK, whose councilors have been qouted as saying, 'If only we had that Waterfront, there would be no stopping us.'
Of course , he was making reference to Liverpool's Waterfront.

WTF is Soccer???

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

But until the demise of the liner industry Liverpool did offer winter cruises to all those places and even further. My grandpa, a captain with a Liverpool shipping company (were'nt they all) sailed on cruises from Liverpool as far south as Cape Verde and even Bathurst, Freetown, Accra and Lagos. Cunard offered Mauritania for a Med Circular cruise from Liverpool calling at ports as diverse as Lisbon, Cadiz, Bone, Tripoli, Alexandria, Haifa, Istanbul, Pirious, Dubrovnik, Venice, Palermo, Naples, Villefranch, Marseilles, Barcelona and Madeira. Like Miami and the Gulf coast seaports which offer various lenght cruises to not just the Caribbean islands but also central and south America, Liverpool will be ideally suited to cater to the many thousand of northern British cruise clients but also European and foreign clients.

"Foreign guests", unlike back in the day, have the choice of arriving at Manchester, a full international airport, Liverpool John Lennon airport or Heathrow which is less than two and a half hours away by rail. Also, unlike Southampton, Liverpool has the tourist infrastructure and attractions to entertain those pax staying pre and post cruise.

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Shame you can't spell finish!!! Some professional.

Southampton999 that’s not a very nice way to treat a potential cruise passenger or visitor to your city which is why people will swerve Hampshire and come to sunny Merseyside instead!!
Sloyne you will be given a very warm welcome by the people of Liverpool and we hope to see you and many more from the USA cruising in and out of our world famous waterfront which was of course the gateway to the New World…

Have you ever tried getting from LHR to Liverpool by rail!!!???? You are sadly deluded. LHR is 60 mins from Southampton

scousertommy wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

Goldenwight wrote: I can't help but notice that a lot of people responding to this thread appear to be from Merseyside. My thanks to you all for your comments, which came as a total surprise to me since I didn't believe there was anyone there who could actually read, let alone write...(!)

I am not from Merseyside but from Clearwater, Florida, USA and I can read and write. I am also a travel professional who lectures throughout the US Sunbelt states on travel and especially cruises. I am very pleased that clients can now stay, pre and post cruise, in a sophisticated European city as opposed to just a seaport. I will be advising all my clients to use Liverpool to start and finnish their seaborne vacation.

Shame you can't spell finish!!! Some professional.

Southampton999 that’s not a very nice way to treat a potential cruise passenger or visitor to your city which is why people will swerve Hampshire and come to sunny Merseyside instead!!
Sloyne you will be given a very warm welcome by the people of Liverpool and we hope to see you and many more from the USA cruising in and out of our world famous waterfront which was of course the gateway to the New World…

Suitably told off Scousetommy!!! Although there is still no excuse for calling football soccer!!!

Condor Man wrote:
Bring it on, competition will hopefully act in our favour given our track record

Ha ha ..Condor man says 'bring it on' you are sh*tting your knickers sunshine. And to one other comment..the Isle Of Man Steam Packet Company are to partner LFC in this matter..we will afford the pay-back ok. And to all other uneducated hampton bloggers on here..you had your chance for so long to run this business and you ran it into the ground..well now you have some real competition. The vessels are coming home to where they rightly belong.

georgetheseventh wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
Bring it on, competition will hopefully act in our favour given our track record

Ha ha ..Condor man says 'bring it on' you are sh*tting your knickers sunshine. And to one other comment..the Isle Of Man Steam Packet Company are to partner LFC in this matter..we will afford the pay-back ok. And to all other uneducated hampton bloggers on here..you had your chance for so long to run this business and you ran it into the ground..well now you have some real competition. The vessels are coming home to where they rightly belong.

Please explain. you had your chance for so long to run this business and you ran it into the ground..
An ever increasing cruise industry 4 new terminals with a fifth planned but on hold how the hells that running it into the ground?
where was Liverpools investment when the cruise industry was in decline?
why wait until now to lie to get Government money especially if you could have got private investment?
If we only had the QE2 & the Canberra using this port would Liverpool had even bothered?
As for what your city has to offer so what do you think people from Leeds,Manchester,Bla
ckpool & other Northern towns are going to stay in your hotels or visit your sights because of the cruise ships?
they could see your sights anytime if they wanted so how can you believe this will be the Golden Goose?

scousertommy wrote:
Have you ever given any thought as to what the cruise lines actually think, they are behind Liverpool because their passengers have requested this through their many day visits and who would like to spend more time in a premier European city and region? Do you think the council have not done their homework (along with councils from Manchester and Chester ‘etc’ who will also benefit too) in securing this if they thought no one would use it…come on!!
Why wouldn’t Cunard want to berth up right outside its spiritual home, a building which they constructed and still has their name above the door!
And as for our Labour run authority, the newspapers, radio and TV though interviews with the people from this city are over the moon with this news and are fully behind Cllr Joe Anderson which is more than can be said for the Tory lot down in Hampshire.
This story has seemed to run its course in your local paper now because they know Liverpool have come out on top, instead they are now focussing on your new Titanic museum which looks like no one wants to visit either so the TORY council needs to give free tickets away to get people through the door!!

Do you think the cruise companies give a figs ear about what the customer thinks?
What are the differences going to be for berthing in Liverpool to Southampton?
To get to the Med is 1 extra days travel to it & 1 days extra back the cost of the extra fuel needed would have to be saved somehow & the passengers would have 2 days less in the Med do you think they asked for that?
I have & will say pay back all monies to the British Government & the EU then fine let the competition begin

Yes Southampton999 and from baggage pick-up to arrival at Liverpool Lime Street Station the travel time is approximately 3 hours and 50 minutes. However, more pertinent is the journey time from Liverpool's two local airports; Manchester International and Liverpool John Lennon are 40 minutes and 17 minutes respectively.

The argument that Liverpool is further away from the cruising grounds of the Medi for short duration cruises is the same argument forwarded by Miami when the Gulf ports like Tampa, New Orleans, Galveston and Port Houston decided to enter the market. They were, and I'm sure Southampton too, will be proven wrong.

loosehead wrote:

scousertommy wrote: Have you ever given any thought as to what the cruise lines actually think, they are behind Liverpool because their passengers have requested this through their many day visits and who would like to spend more time in a premier European city and region? Do you think the council have not done their homework (along with councils from Manchester and Chester ‘etc’ who will also benefit too) in securing this if they thought no one would use it…come on!! Why wouldn’t Cunard want to berth up right outside its spiritual home, a building which they constructed and still has their name above the door! And as for our Labour run authority, the newspapers, radio and TV though interviews with the people from this city are over the moon with this news and are fully behind Cllr Joe Anderson which is more than can be said for the Tory lot down in Hampshire. This story has seemed to run its course in your local paper now because they know Liverpool have come out on top, instead they are now focussing on your new Titanic museum which looks like no one wants to visit either so the TORY council needs to give free tickets away to get people through the door!!

Do you think the cruise companies give a figs ear about what the customer thinks? What are the differences going to be for berthing in Liverpool to Southampton? To get to the Med is 1 extra days travel to it & 1 days extra back the cost of the extra fuel needed would have to be saved somehow & the passengers would have 2 days less in the Med do you think they asked for that? I have & will say pay back all monies to the British Government & the EU then fine let the competition begin

Why don't your council pay back all those funded schemes to make road and rail links better to your port then, talk about being fair!! Our facility will ease congestion on the motorway network when everyone from North of Watford will want to sail from this waterfront not some backwater container base...
Just face it, the cruise liners are coming back to LIVERPOOL the spirtual home!! thats why your new terminal is on hold face the facts...By the way, check out ABP's share price tomorrow when its falls, this will confirm things for you!!

loosehead wrote:

scousertommy wrote:
Have you ever given any thought as to what the cruise lines actually think, they are behind Liverpool because their passengers have requested this through their many day visits and who would like to spend more time in a premier European city and region? Do you think the council have not done their homework (along with councils from Manchester and Chester ‘etc’ who will also benefit too) in securing this if they thought no one would use it…come on!!
Why wouldn’t Cunard want to berth up right outside its spiritual home, a building which they constructed and still has their name above the door!
And as for our Labour run authority, the newspapers, radio and TV though interviews with the people from this city are over the moon with this news and are fully behind Cllr Joe Anderson which is more than can be said for the Tory lot down in Hampshire.
This story has seemed to run its course in your local paper now because they know Liverpool have come out on top, instead they are now focussing on your new Titanic museum which looks like no one wants to visit either so the TORY council needs to give free tickets away to get people through the door!!

Do you think the cruise companies give a figs ear about what the customer thinks?
What are the differences going to be for berthing in Liverpool to Southampton?
To get to the Med is 1 extra days travel to it & 1 days extra back the cost of the extra fuel needed would have to be saved somehow & the passengers would have 2 days less in the Med do you think they asked for that?
I have & will say pay back all monies to the British Government & the EU then fine let the competition begin

It costs about 87000 USD per day for a cruiseliner in fuel. I do not know the figures for the equivalent of ACMI (Aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance), which is about $5000 USD per hour for a Boeing 757. I would guess that the marine equivalent would be something like $100000 per hour or $2.4 m USD per day. That added to the extra fuel would mean that to go to the med would cost an extra $2574000 per trip or if there are 3000 paying passengers on board $858 USD each.
So I think that Liverpool will get the fjords and some North Atlantic trips and Southampton will get the med and more southerly trips. And that doesn't take into account the extra carbon credits the firms will have to buy to cover their emissions!!!

The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

LHR, another southern monopoly, is not the only point of arrival and departure in the UK.

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

arizonan wrote:
LHR, another southern monopoly, is not the only point of arrival and departure in the UK.

You are quite correct, but is is really easy to get to and it is a hub for the rest of Europe due to its onward connections and the close proximity to London. Additionally Terminal 5 is the most efficient terminal in the world at this moment in time. I do find difficulty in believing that as I fly frequently into other airports PVG, HKG for example that appear more efficient. But then again statistics never lie.........Or do they?

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

No, but if you know anything about geography and can read a map, never mind navigation, you will see that a ship departing Liverpool is on a strait course down the Irish Sea, St. Georges Channel through the Celtic Sea for the Canary Islands whereas a vessel voyaging down the English Channel will have to westerly to clear Brest and the Bay of Biscay (notoriously rough on cruise pax) and La Coruna. Not unlike an aircraft leaving Heathrow for the North American continent will plot a course north over Liverpool, Isle of Man, Belfast then over the ocean just south of Iceland, Greenland and make it's NA landfall about Goose Bay, Labradore then down the coasts of Canada and New England into New York.

Simple to figure really, if you know geography and navigation.

Sloyne wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

No, but if you know anything about geography and can read a map, never mind navigation, you will see that a ship departing Liverpool is on a strait course down the Irish Sea, St. Georges Channel through the Celtic Sea for the Canary Islands whereas a vessel voyaging down the English Channel will have to westerly to clear Brest and the Bay of Biscay (notoriously rough on cruise pax) and La Coruna. Not unlike an aircraft leaving Heathrow for the North American continent will plot a course north over Liverpool, Isle of Man, Belfast then over the ocean just south of Iceland, Greenland and make it's NA landfall about Goose Bay, Labradore then down the coasts of Canada and New England into New York.

Simple to figure really, if you know geography and navigation.

I have just checked and yes you are almost correct, 40 minutes out!!!
But closer than my estimate so I will concede on that point.

Also, if you look at a map of the southern US you will see that vessels departing Miami and Port Everglades for the western Caribbean and Central American ports, after sailing south will then have to westerly through the Florida Strait to skirt Cuba and on into the Gulf of Mexico. This will negate most of whats percieved to be the disadvantage of the ports of Tampa, New Orleans, Port Houston and Galveston.

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

No, but if you know anything about geography and can read a map, never mind navigation, you will see that a ship departing Liverpool is on a strait course down the Irish Sea, St. Georges Channel through the Celtic Sea for the Canary Islands whereas a vessel voyaging down the English Channel will have to westerly to clear Brest and the Bay of Biscay (notoriously rough on cruise pax) and La Coruna. Not unlike an aircraft leaving Heathrow for the North American continent will plot a course north over Liverpool, Isle of Man, Belfast then over the ocean just south of Iceland, Greenland and make it's NA landfall about Goose Bay, Labradore then down the coasts of Canada and New England into New York.

Simple to figure really, if you know geography and navigation.

I have just checked and yes you are almost correct, 40 minutes out!!!
But closer than my estimate so I will concede on that point.

However regarding costs this is still another 10 hours steaming at a cost of a cool $1m USD!! That's a lot of money. Additionally the customers will have less time in the warmer southern climes. So if the cruise industry continues to grow at the pace it is there is room for both Liverpool and Southampton. And for the avoidance of doubt I am from Manchester despite the user name, that is where I live now!

I might have figured that out, you being a Manc, given a few more posts. Not even a Mush would offer so much resistance to Liverpool getting anything. :-)

Sloyne wrote:
I might have figured that out, you being a Manc, given a few more posts. Not even a Mush would offer so much resistance to Liverpool getting anything. :-)

HAHAHA!!

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

No only 90 miles extra on the journey. Go back to school.

Tom Liverpool wrote:

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

Tom you seem to be more aware of the facts than many posts from Liverpool.
One of the reasons we attract the big cruise ships say compared to Dover we're a sheltered Harbour.has Liverpool got the same shelter?
we also get 4 tides how does Liverpool compare with that?
My father came from Liverpool & I still have a lot of family in that area but I don't know how the two ports compare I only know what I've seen on Telly.
I agree with you about your council leader & some of the comments on here.
But some people think that no one from the North actually enjoy the travelling & the staying in hotels down here.
But there are many who do & love it & make it an intricate part of their holidays.
Mike Penning.The EU no one knows how it will go as the song goes what will be will be.But do you not think that if Liverpool had gone into talks with ABP Southampton before putting in for the grants found a niche & had a Major cruise port on side would have been the best way to approach this?
I don't know if the people of Liverpool realise that through football there is open hostility between Southampton & Portsmouth ( as I said it's Football) so to go to them when they are a very minor cruise port & get them on your side you were bound to get a hostile reaction.
Thing is every one is jumping the gun & until those decisions are made people calling people bigots & thieves are just plain stupid

Tom Liverpool wrote:

southampton999 wrote:

Sloyne wrote:
The sailing time between Liverpool and Tenerife and Southampton and Tenerife of cruise ships steaming at 22knots, shows a difference of 4 hours 22 minutes.

So Liverpool is only 90 miles away????

No only 90 miles extra on the journey. Go back to school.

To maybe if you read my subsequent posts you would notice that I admitted my mistake.
Maybe you should go back to school.

What goes around, comes around" and will slap you back in the face Southampton !!!!

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

Tom you seem to be more aware of the facts than many posts from Liverpool.
One of the reasons we attract the big cruise ships say compared to Dover we're a sheltered Harbour.has Liverpool got the same shelter?
we also get 4 tides how does Liverpool compare with that?
My father came from Liverpool & I still have a lot of family in that area but I don't know how the two ports compare I only know what I've seen on Telly.
I agree with you about your council leader & some of the comments on here.
But some people think that no one from the North actually enjoy the travelling & the staying in hotels down here.
But there are many who do & love it & make it an intricate part of their holidays.
Mike Penning.The EU no one knows how it will go as the song goes what will be will be.But do you not think that if Liverpool had gone into talks with ABP Southampton before putting in for the grants found a niche & had a Major cruise port on side would have been the best way to approach this?
I don't know if the people of Liverpool realise that through football there is open hostility between Southampton & Portsmouth ( as I said it's Football) so to go to them when they are a very minor cruise port & get them on your side you were bound to get a hostile reaction.
Thing is every one is jumping the gun & until those decisions are made people calling people bigots & thieves are just plain stupid

Loosehead Southampton does have natural advantages over Liverpool, but that in no way negates Liverpool's ability to provide berths and facilities for the large cruise liners and their passengers. As Sloyne has said very succinctly in his postings there is much more to Liverpool than just the city and it's attractions.
a/Chester and north Wales.
b/Lake district.
c/Peak district.
d/East Lancs. and West Yorks.
e/Bronte country and Howarth itself.
etc. etc. etc. the American visitors love it believe me.

Tom Liverpool wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

Tom you seem to be more aware of the facts than many posts from Liverpool.
One of the reasons we attract the big cruise ships say compared to Dover we're a sheltered Harbour.has Liverpool got the same shelter?
we also get 4 tides how does Liverpool compare with that?
My father came from Liverpool & I still have a lot of family in that area but I don't know how the two ports compare I only know what I've seen on Telly.
I agree with you about your council leader & some of the comments on here.
But some people think that no one from the North actually enjoy the travelling & the staying in hotels down here.
But there are many who do & love it & make it an intricate part of their holidays.
Mike Penning.The EU no one knows how it will go as the song goes what will be will be.But do you not think that if Liverpool had gone into talks with ABP Southampton before putting in for the grants found a niche & had a Major cruise port on side would have been the best way to approach this?
I don't know if the people of Liverpool realise that through football there is open hostility between Southampton & Portsmouth ( as I said it's Football) so to go to them when they are a very minor cruise port & get them on your side you were bound to get a hostile reaction.
Thing is every one is jumping the gun & until those decisions are made people calling people bigots & thieves are just plain stupid

Loosehead Southampton does have natural advantages over Liverpool, but that in no way negates Liverpool's ability to provide berths and facilities for the large cruise liners and their passengers. As Sloyne has said very succinctly in his postings there is much more to Liverpool than just the city and it's attractions.
a/Chester and north Wales.
b/Lake district.
c/Peak district.
d/East Lancs. and West Yorks.
e/Bronte country and Howarth itself.
etc. etc. etc. the American visitors love it believe me.

You've heard the Yanks say it about Liverpool & I've heard the same from them about Southampton.
I was slated by people from Liverpool to suggest you open talks with the Major cruise ports coming to an agreement & thus avoiding all this but I feel it would have been the way to go.
All ports could have cruise trade & the companies wouldn't have used the competition to get berthing cheaper.
Carnival/Cunard/P&O all the same company but all operate to get the cheapest deal so why didn't the ports do this?
Because Liverpool went to a minor cruise port applied for something they had no intention of using the facilities for & then tried(still) to change it.
Readers in Liverpool might not be happy with this city but it was your Liberal council now your Labour council who went about this all wrong,
to win Southampton over in the beginning you only had to say you were after the work at Portsmouth & that would have been a winning goal

Many of these arguments have now moved a long way from the pretence of being about the amount of public money Liverpool received to build its landing stage. We now have to justify our geographical position.

As a point of information, though we are often branded as being 'oop North', Liverpool is actually mainland Britain's most central city and an obvious location for a cruise liner port.

Whilst it will be true that liners going to the Med from Liverpool will take longer than those going from Southampton, don't forget that for most people the holiday begins when they set foot on board the cruise ship and so it is not directly comparable to a drive down to the south coast - as most people do not consider motorway driving to be a holiday.

Don't forget also that not all cruises from Liverpool will be to southern Europe - we are an ideal embarkation point for round Britain cruises and slightly closer than Southampton to the United States. So it is all to play for.

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

Tom you seem to be more aware of the facts than many posts from Liverpool.
One of the reasons we attract the big cruise ships say compared to Dover we're a sheltered Harbour.has Liverpool got the same shelter?
we also get 4 tides how does Liverpool compare with that?
My father came from Liverpool & I still have a lot of family in that area but I don't know how the two ports compare I only know what I've seen on Telly.
I agree with you about your council leader & some of the comments on here.
But some people think that no one from the North actually enjoy the travelling & the staying in hotels down here.
But there are many who do & love it & make it an intricate part of their holidays.
Mike Penning.The EU no one knows how it will go as the song goes what will be will be.But do you not think that if Liverpool had gone into talks with ABP Southampton before putting in for the grants found a niche & had a Major cruise port on side would have been the best way to approach this?
I don't know if the people of Liverpool realise that through football there is open hostility between Southampton & Portsmouth ( as I said it's Football) so to go to them when they are a very minor cruise port & get them on your side you were bound to get a hostile reaction.
Thing is every one is jumping the gun & until those decisions are made people calling people bigots & thieves are just plain stupid

Loosehead Southampton does have natural advantages over Liverpool, but that in no way negates Liverpool's ability to provide berths and facilities for the large cruise liners and their passengers. As Sloyne has said very succinctly in his postings there is much more to Liverpool than just the city and it's attractions.
a/Chester and north Wales.
b/Lake district.
c/Peak district.
d/East Lancs. and West Yorks.
e/Bronte country and Howarth itself.
etc. etc. etc. the American visitors love it believe me.

You've heard the Yanks say it about Liverpool & I've heard the same from them about Southampton.
I was slated by people from Liverpool to suggest you open talks with the Major cruise ports coming to an agreement & thus avoiding all this but I feel it would have been the way to go.
All ports could have cruise trade & the companies wouldn't have used the competition to get berthing cheaper.
Carnival/Cunard/P&am
p;O all the same company but all operate to get the cheapest deal so why didn't the ports do this?
Because Liverpool went to a minor cruise port applied for something they had no intention of using the facilities for & then tried(still) to change it.
Readers in Liverpool might not be happy with this city but it was your Liberal council now your Labour council who went about this all wrong,
to win Southampton over in the beginning you only had to say you were after the work at Portsmouth & that would have been a winning goal

When the grant for the Liverpool Terminal was first applied for, the main problem in many Liverpudlians eyes, was that the Liberal administration was very inept and was also dealing with the North West Development Agency, which was a Manchester based organisation, which rightly or wrongly appeared to favour Manchester over and above all other locations in the North West. Consequently the Liberal/Liverpool administration seemed to take whatever was offered instead of negotiating a proper agreement, which was what the people of this city wanted,inevitably it all came home to roost and the current argument goes on and on and on. I don't blame Southampton for objecting, but do feel that the whole thing has become too personal and offensive from both sides, surely a resolution can/should be negotiated (as now seems to be the case), and the two cities can begin to behave like adults, not children fighting over a ball in the school playground.

Tom Liverpool wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

bonnru wrote:
I think Liverpool are doing this at the wrong time. They won't get most of the big Cruise Companies there until 2014, as the itineraries for summer 2013 are probably being finalised for the spring launches.
But how are they going to cope with giant cruise ships like IOTS, the new P&O ship etc... they would not be able to offer multi turnarounds like Southampton just look in July P&O are turning around 7 ships in a day.
I am all for healthy competition but the money needs to be paid back first and its fair.
Also certain itineraries would not work from Liverpool, i.e Med, Canaries etc, round UK would work, transatlantic. But then you have the other issues of foreign guests. Cunard and Princess take a wide range of nationalities and with London being 70 miles away and a huge tourist attraction and more direct flights for them to go home it is more ideal. I am not sure if all this has been mentioned about but cannot tell with all the bickering!

I don't think Liverpool expect to add to the 2012 cruises from the terminal, but just to move those already starting from the grotesque Langton dock facility, which is not before time, with luck they may be able to add just a few. The main focus is on 2013, 2014 and beyond.
So many red herrings are coming from Southampton that I'm beginning to believe that you also think it's all done and dusted just as Joe Anderson seems to imply.
Also I've seen comments about how this could be done, dealing with passengers and baggage, a facility exists on the terminal (only 100Mtrs from the liner berth). which belongs to the Isle of Man Steam Packet company with check in and baggage handling, pick-up and drop-off points, possibly a little small for large cruise ships but capable of loading 80 cars and hundreds of passengers in very short time, I believe negotiations are in progress to use this facility until a purpose built terminal building is ready.
As for Med. and Canaries cruises the extra few hours travelling through the Irish Sea well compensates for the awful journey south beyond Birmingham, which really is an imposition on Northerners both financially and time/comfort wise this country does not cater for people to travel unless thay are from London and the South East.

Tom you seem to be more aware of the facts than many posts from Liverpool.
One of the reasons we attract the big cruise ships say compared to Dover we're a sheltered Harbour.has Liverpool got the same shelter?
we also get 4 tides how does Liverpool compare with that?
My father came from Liverpool & I still have a lot of family in that area but I don't know how the two ports compare I only know what I've seen on Telly.
I agree with you about your council leader & some of the comments on here.
But some people think that no one from the North actually enjoy the travelling & the staying in hotels down here.
But there are many who do & love it & make it an intricate part of their holidays.
Mike Penning.The EU no one knows how it will go as the song goes what will be will be.But do you not think that if Liverpool had gone into talks with ABP Southampton before putting in for the grants found a niche & had a Major cruise port on side would have been the best way to approach this?
I don't know if the people of Liverpool realise that through football there is open hostility between Southampton & Portsmouth ( as I said it's Football) so to go to them when they are a very minor cruise port & get them on your side you were bound to get a hostile reaction.
Thing is every one is jumping the gun & until those decisions are made people calling people bigots & thieves are just plain stupid

Loosehead Southampton does have natural advantages over Liverpool, but that in no way negates Liverpool's ability to provide berths and facilities for the large cruise liners and their passengers. As Sloyne has said very succinctly in his postings there is much more to Liverpool than just the city and it's attractions.
a/Chester and north Wales.
b/Lake district.
c/Peak district.
d/East Lancs. and West Yorks.
e/Bronte country and Howarth itself.
etc. etc. etc. the American visitors love it believe me.

You've heard the Yanks say it about Liverpool & I've heard the same from them about Southampton.
I was slated by people from Liverpool to suggest you open talks with the Major cruise ports coming to an agreement & thus avoiding all this but I feel it would have been the way to go.
All ports could have cruise trade & the companies wouldn't have used the competition to get berthing cheaper.
Carnival/Cunard/P&am
p;am
p;O all the same company but all operate to get the cheapest deal so why didn't the ports do this?
Because Liverpool went to a minor cruise port applied for something they had no intention of using the facilities for & then tried(still) to change it.
Readers in Liverpool might not be happy with this city but it was your Liberal council now your Labour council who went about this all wrong,
to win Southampton over in the beginning you only had to say you were after the work at Portsmouth & that would have been a winning goal

When the grant for the Liverpool Terminal was first applied for, the main problem in many Liverpudlians eyes, was that the Liberal administration was very inept and was also dealing with the North West Development Agency, which was a Manchester based organisation, which rightly or wrongly appeared to favour Manchester over and above all other locations in the North West. Consequently the Liberal/Liverpool administration seemed to take whatever was offered instead of negotiating a proper agreement, which was what the people of this city wanted,inevitably it all came home to roost and the current argument goes on and on and on. I don't blame Southampton for objecting, but do feel that the whole thing has become too personal and offensive from both sides, surely a resolution can/should be negotiated (as now seems to be the case), and the two cities can begin to behave like adults, not children fighting over a ball in the school playground.

Well said.

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