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£3 billion city masterplan to create 24,000 jobs
8:03am Monday 6th February 2012 in News
A VISIONARY masterplan to create up to 24,000 jobs and bring in more than £3billion of investment into Southampton has been put out to public consultation.
The city council is asking residents for their views on how the city centre will shape up over the next 25 years.
Consultants have been paid £230,000 to draw up a masterplan for the city, bringing together an array of multi-million-pound developments to rejuvenate the city centre and make it an inspiring place to work, visit and live.
They include a revitalised train station quarter, pictured, a new business district to attract major national and international companies, a new world-class waterfront at Royal Pier, and a far-reaching regeneration plan for areas of the city centre such as a fruit and vegetable market between Oxford Street and the Old Town.
The consultants envisage all new developments will be set in an attractive and distinctive environment enhanced by a network of green streets, with trees and water features, encouraging people to use more eco-friendly ways to travel.
The consultation runs until March 23. The masterplan documents can be viewed online, at the council’s Gateway One Stop Shop in Guildhall Square, the housing office in St Mary Street, or the central, Bitterne and Burgess libraries.
Comments(56)
Phantomdoll
says...
8:17am Mon 6 Feb 12
Sounds great. But I wonder how many of those 24,000 will be non-English-speaking ethnic minorities/Eastern Europeans?
Over the Edge
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8:31am Mon 6 Feb 12
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
Vonnie
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8:35am Mon 6 Feb 12
We have been here before. How much money was wasted on consultants to come up with, for example, plans to rejuvenate the Mayflower Theatre and Bedford Place vicinities? And what eventually happened? Nothing much. Just that some very savvy people made a lot of money out of stating the obvious.
Taskforce 141
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8:40am Mon 6 Feb 12
"attractive and distinctive environment enhanced by a network of green streets, with trees and water features"
And thats with the news last week that Royston and his chums are axing over 200 jobs, which include positions in the Street Cleansing and Park Maintenance Teams. So who's going to build this much needed development? Hopes and dreams?
And thats with the news last week that Royston and his chums are axing over 200 jobs, which include positions in the Street Cleansing and Park Maintenance Teams. So who's going to build this much needed development? Hopes and dreams?
Ian24
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8:42am Mon 6 Feb 12
If you download the public consultation document you will see it is laughable.
Its like a student project with stock pictures from the internet.
Someone is laughing at Southampton when cashing their cheque.
Its like a student project with stock pictures from the internet.
Someone is laughing at Southampton when cashing their cheque.
Stillness
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9:02am Mon 6 Feb 12
Phantomdoll wrote:With any luck when they move in you will move out.
Sounds great. But I wonder how many of those 24,000 will be non-English-speaking ethnic minorities/Eastern Europeans?
Ant Smoking MP
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9:03am Mon 6 Feb 12
Spend, spend, spend! £80,000 Museum tickets, £230'000 to consultants. Who says the Council isnt cash strapped?
Linesman
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9:04am Mon 6 Feb 12
How many jobs have been lost so that the consultants could be paid?
What will the city have to show for the £230,000 spent?
Loads of drawings with artists' impressions.
A similar exercise was done in Portsmouth a few years ago. It cost a bomb and involved the Tricorn being pulled down, and years on, not one brick has been laid - other than those laid by the Portsmouth City Council.
What will the city have to show for the £230,000 spent?
Loads of drawings with artists' impressions.
A similar exercise was done in Portsmouth a few years ago. It cost a bomb and involved the Tricorn being pulled down, and years on, not one brick has been laid - other than those laid by the Portsmouth City Council.
loosehead
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9:18am Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
willygetaway
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9:29am Mon 6 Feb 12
It,s the old boys club at work. They have to be able to line their pockets in some way. And lets face it Labour or Tory they are both as bad as one another.
More expences anyone ?
More expences anyone ?
bigfella777
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9:36am Mon 6 Feb 12
An excellent idea, the notion of planning for the future maybe a little alien to some of the Labour drones on here, but well done to the Tories for this, I hope you stay as our council for many years to come and appreciate all the positive things you are trying to do for the city.
southy
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9:46am Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Southampton use to but the Torys got rid of the dept of one man consultant who use to cost the city at 1/8th for a year of the cost of what it cost to hire private one for a only 3 mths.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So any one on the west side of Southampton don't count Smithy, Wheres the plans and consulting chat that you promise us on the west side, you said Redbridge and Lordswood could be places for plans and consulting chatting.
More false political propaganda coming out of Smithy.
southy
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9:48am Mon 6 Feb 12
Taskforce 141 wrote:Who's going to keep it clean and free of rubbish nlowing in the wind.
"attractive and distinctive environment enhanced by a network of green streets, with trees and water features"
And thats with the news last week that Royston and his chums are axing over 200 jobs, which include positions in the Street Cleansing and Park Maintenance Teams. So who's going to build this much needed development? Hopes and dreams?
southy
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9:52am Mon 6 Feb 12
willygetaway wrote:Very true and thats why I stop supporting Labour its no longer a working class party just another party for the rich to control.
It,s the old boys club at work. They have to be able to line their pockets in some way. And lets face it Labour or Tory they are both as bad as one another.
More expences anyone ?
Shoong
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9:59am Mon 6 Feb 12
It's too early in the process really to judge, it strikes me as strange that anything that is proposed to try & improve Southampton is roundly carped on, I for one won't be cutting off a nose to save a face just yet.
There should be a drive for this to be staffed by those living in Southampton - but that's only if they want to do it & apply for the jobs!
You can tell it's Monday morning can't you by the grump levels.
There should be a drive for this to be staffed by those living in Southampton - but that's only if they want to do it & apply for the jobs!
You can tell it's Monday morning can't you by the grump levels.
Shoong
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10:01am Mon 6 Feb 12
southy wrote:They must be devastated.
willygetaway wrote:Very true and thats why I stop supporting Labour its no longer a working class party just another party for the rich to control.
It,s the old boys club at work. They have to be able to line their pockets in some way. And lets face it Labour or Tory they are both as bad as one another.
More expences anyone ?
southy
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10:20am Mon 6 Feb 12
Shoong wrote:No he just losing more votes for not keeping his pomises, All he doing is just putting another nail in the Tory's coffin.
southy wrote:They must be devastated.
willygetaway wrote:Very true and thats why I stop supporting Labour its no longer a working class party just another party for the rich to control.
It,s the old boys club at work. They have to be able to line their pockets in some way. And lets face it Labour or Tory they are both as bad as one another.
More expences anyone ?
This year Smithy not going to get that Protest vote that happened 4 years ago, those that never voted that year for Labour will be back at the polls this year to remove the Tory's Councillors that they let in by not going to the polls to vote, Redbridge Ward is one of them.
George4th
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10:29am Mon 6 Feb 12
bigfella777 wrote:I agree 100%!
An excellent idea, the notion of planning for the future maybe a little alien to some of the Labour drones on here, but well done to the Tories for this, I hope you stay as our council for many years to come and appreciate all the positive things you are trying to do for the city.
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It is FANTASTIC NEWS!
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This City is a run down wreck because of 30 years of Labour councils who did absolutely zilch.
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We City of Southampton citizens are fed up with our poor reputation and lack lustre City. We want to be proud of our City! We want to know that the future is bright for our children! We want to know that the economy of the City of Southampton will grow and prosper. It can be done, and it will be done!
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BOO! to the Whingers, Doom-mongers and downright miseries!
G0Rf
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10:54am Mon 6 Feb 12
Would be nice to have a pier to rival brighton / weston super mare, would also be nice to have an arena to rival the manchester evening news arena, or the bournemouth international centre.
would also be nice to have good road links!
would also be nice to have good road links!
southy
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11:05am Mon 6 Feb 12
G0Rf wrote:I put in plans for the Royal pier a number of years ago but it got turned down because it was not to ABP liking, because it would mean it would become publicly owned,and did not want small ships that they could not control running from pier to pier along the south coast.
Would be nice to have a pier to rival brighton / weston super mare, would also be nice to have an arena to rival the manchester evening news arena, or the bournemouth international centre.
would also be nice to have good road links!
Lone Ranger.
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11:17am Mon 6 Feb 12
Breaking News !!........... Everybody is a Whinger, Doom-monger and downright miseries ........ ....................
................ If they dont agree with Tory George4th.
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Still he has only got 25 years for it to completed ........ and he is moving out to a Tory in May when the Tories are booted out of Southampton
................ If they dont agree with Tory George4th.
.
Still he has only got 25 years for it to completed ........ and he is moving out to a Tory in May when the Tories are booted out of Southampton
Lone Ranger.
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11:19am Mon 6 Feb 12
ooops That should have read ........ and he is moving out to a Tory town in May.
Over the Edge
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11:32am Mon 6 Feb 12
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
loosehead
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12:27pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:I apologise I never meant to call every one a Labour supporter I was aiming at the ones who are & have slated these consultations.
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
Do you not feel we should wait & see what comes of it & then decide if this was money wasted?
Williams in earlier articles have said these were great proposals if they go ahead yet on the posts at least one Labour/Union supporter is slating it?
just reread the article it does say 24,000 jobs can we as a city not try to achieve this?
If we could see all this happen & bring about pushing our history more we could see the cruise ships & visitors from the UK flocking to see the city & learning our history.
I believe in doing whatever it takes to get this city working if our own born & bred citizens don't want the work how can a city council no matter what colour do to make them?
Bose99
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12:29pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Apart from the huge sum of 3 billion pounds, I think the key words are ...."over the next 25 years".
George4th
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1:16pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
Over the Edge
says...
1:19pm Mon 6 Feb 12
loosehead wrote:I do not trust Williams as far a I could throw him, having dealt with him on projects in Woolston prior to him becoming leader.
Over the Edge wrote:I apologise I never meant to call every one a Labour supporter I was aiming at the ones who are & have slated these consultations.
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
Do you not feel we should wait & see what comes of it & then decide if this was money wasted?
Williams in earlier articles have said these were great proposals if they go ahead yet on the posts at least one Labour/Union supporter is slating it?
just reread the article it does say 24,000 jobs can we as a city not try to achieve this?
If we could see all this happen & bring about pushing our history more we could see the cruise ships & visitors from the UK flocking to see the city & learning our history.
I believe in doing whatever it takes to get this city working if our own born & bred citizens don't want the work how can a city council no matter what colour do to make them?
24,000 jobs I fear is council spin.
I believe these projects are planned over the next 25 years, if they were to happen all at the same time, they may increase jobs to that number, however over that period of time they will little affect, if contracts to build are handed to say 3 contractors those workers will just move on to the next site, those jobs on offer after the build, will be low paid, which is hardly regeneration, it's re-cycling because business's will simply move their premisses, for cheaper rents and the rebates on offer keeping low paid employees as per West Quay (M&S John Lewis)
Regeneration I believe is instrinctley linked to employment, such projects over such an amount of time will have little affect to reduce unemployment.
If there was a plan informing residents of the city as to where the money is coming from to pay for this, then maybe I would be a bit more positive, to me this is another Centenary Quay, (which I'm sure you heard about) the American boat, the Piazza, the hundreds of jobs created that just didn't happen, also this councils plan to link to waterside from Cobden Bridge to Ocean village, I'm sorry that just won't happen, just like this won't I'm afraid.
arizonan
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2:01pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Trying to rival the Liverpool and Wirral Waters schemes?
Rob444
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2:42pm Mon 6 Feb 12
It's a railway station, not a train station. The americans would probably refer to a train station.
Train Station Quarter would clearly be incorrect for an English city.
Train Station Quarter would clearly be incorrect for an English city.
Over the Edge
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3:29pm Mon 6 Feb 12
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
Zeo
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3:35pm Mon 6 Feb 12
The transport upgrades on the west side is brilliant but the transport on the east side is terrible, it seems only the 'important' and 'touristy' areas will see the upgrades everything else will be the same old, SCC Safety guarded Northam and Canute Road as potential railway stations but neither of them are in the plan, also no plans for a bus interchange by the IOW Terminal so many people are going to be left stranded due to poor coordination of transportation in the next 30 years.
Also how long will Southampton Tunnel be out of action when they widen it to 4 tracks? And the property on the east side of the tunnel, will they all be demolished or will the tunnel be build all the way to Northam Junction with property built on top?
Seems to be more questions then answers in my opinion!
Also how long will Southampton Tunnel be out of action when they widen it to 4 tracks? And the property on the east side of the tunnel, will they all be demolished or will the tunnel be build all the way to Northam Junction with property built on top?
Seems to be more questions then answers in my opinion!
loosehead
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4:05pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
George4th
says...
4:17pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Loosehead - where many are concerned on here, you and I are banging our heads against a brick wall!
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You would think some people had a death wish for this City!
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Optimists are almost extinct in the City of Southampton!
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After 30 years of inertia from a Labour council many have taken onboard their own inertia! Must be the inertia virus!
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You would think some people had a death wish for this City!
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Optimists are almost extinct in the City of Southampton!
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After 30 years of inertia from a Labour council many have taken onboard their own inertia! Must be the inertia virus!
George4th
says...
4:27pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:With regard to my first question, you could have answered a simple yes or no! You didn't answer the question......
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
>
I now wish I hadn't asked the second question.
>
If you create the right climate, show initiative, show energy and enthusiasm, develop a strategy and business plan, Private investment will come here - that's how it works in other forward thinking towns and cities, or nothing would ever get done! Look at London - there is non stop building!
>
Details such as incentives, business rates etc etc. are all negotiable - just get the business here! (and keep the backward thinking Unions out of it!)
Over the Edge
says...
4:34pm Mon 6 Feb 12
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
Linesman
says...
4:36pm Mon 6 Feb 12
loosehead wrote:Other than a Fruit & Veg market, there is nothing much 'meat on the bones' to say what the jobs the City Council hope to attract.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If it is office and shop workers, then I think that there is already surplus office space within the city.
If it to be another shopping precinct, then it should be remembered that unless more prospective customers are attracted to the city, the same amount of money will be available to be spent in more shops, so the takings in the current shops would drop.
Lone Ranger.
says...
4:52pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Optimists are almost extinct in the City of Southampton ..... .. Yep dead right.
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Realists are alive and kicking.
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What a pity that some posters just cant see it.
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And still they dispute factual evidence.
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Still they dispute other posters who have no axe to grind ...... All because they have to have it there own stubborn way
.
"Must be the inertia virus!"
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Realists are alive and kicking.
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What a pity that some posters just cant see it.
.
And still they dispute factual evidence.
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Still they dispute other posters who have no axe to grind ...... All because they have to have it there own stubborn way
.
"Must be the inertia virus!"
Over the Edge
says...
5:42pm Mon 6 Feb 12
George4th wrote:Get the business here by introducing CIL? doing that shows real forward thinking.
Over the Edge wrote:With regard to my first question, you could have answered a simple yes or no! You didn't answer the question......
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
>
I now wish I hadn't asked the second question.
>
If you create the right climate, show initiative, show energy and enthusiasm, develop a strategy and business plan, Private investment will come here - that's how it works in other forward thinking towns and cities, or nothing would ever get done! Look at London - there is non stop building!
>
Details such as incentives, business rates etc etc. are all negotiable - just get the business here! (and keep the backward thinking Unions out of it!)
Look at London? London has money,,,how much Olympic legacy money is being spent in London?
Drawings and talk does not show initiative it's shows plans.
Centenary Quay showed wonderful plans, we were told an America super yacht company are investing in Southampton (by this council)
Where are they George?
This council has delivered IKEA and museum, that cost us money, money this council said it wouldn't.
I simple don't believe them anymore.
George4th
says...
5:47pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Did it take 30 years to stop listening to the previous councils?!
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
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At least this lot have enthusiasm for the City of Southampton and you can already see positive results if you care to look around. That is despite coming into office after the economic debacle caused by the last Labour governments gross overspending.
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We, the citizens of the City of Southampton, deserve a better City than the one we have. This council is showing initiative, energy, enthusiasm, strategy and planning, all of which was missing for the past 30 years.
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Do you want more of the same people who ruined our City in those 30 years???
IronLady2010
says...
6:11pm Mon 6 Feb 12
The alternative is we all just sit back, do nothing, increase pay for public sector workers and watch the City fall apart.
It's about time some thought went into the future of our City, we have a long way to go to repair the damage that has been done over the years by non investment.
It seems no matter what the Council do it's wrong, Ocean Village gets slated, the museum gets slated.
Too many old **** stuck in their ways I fear.
It's about time some thought went into the future of our City, we have a long way to go to repair the damage that has been done over the years by non investment.
It seems no matter what the Council do it's wrong, Ocean Village gets slated, the museum gets slated.
Too many old **** stuck in their ways I fear.
IronLady2010
says...
6:18pm Mon 6 Feb 12
IronLady2010 wrote:f-a-r-t-s......
The alternative is we all just sit back, do nothing, increase pay for public sector workers and watch the City fall apart.
It's about time some thought went into the future of our City, we have a long way to go to repair the damage that has been done over the years by non investment.
It seems no matter what the Council do it's wrong, Ocean Village gets slated, the museum gets slated.
Too many old **** stuck in their ways I fear.
The old Maxwell House advert.... We don't like change do we Deirdre!!
Over the Edge
says...
6:56pm Mon 6 Feb 12
George4th wrote:No I want delivery not plans, Ive heard all of the plans before, time to deliver or is it all p1ss and wind?
Over the Edge wrote:Did it take 30 years to stop listening to the previous councils?!
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
>
At least this lot have enthusiasm for the City of Southampton and you can already see positive results if you care to look around. That is despite coming into office after the economic debacle caused by the last Labour governments gross overspending.
>
We, the citizens of the City of Southampton, deserve a better City than the one we have. This council is showing initiative, energy, enthusiasm, strategy and planning, all of which was missing for the past 30 years.
>
Do you want more of the same people who ruined our City in those 30 years???
IronLady2010
says...
7:07pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:The city Council is asking residents for their views also, surely you have to plan before you take action?
George4th wrote:No I want delivery not plans, Ive heard all of the plans before, time to deliver or is it all p1ss and wind?
Over the Edge wrote:Did it take 30 years to stop listening to the previous councils?!
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
>
At least this lot have enthusiasm for the City of Southampton and you can already see positive results if you care to look around. That is despite coming into office after the economic debacle caused by the last Labour governments gross overspending.
>
We, the citizens of the City of Southampton, deserve a better City than the one we have. This council is showing initiative, energy, enthusiasm, strategy and planning, all of which was missing for the past 30 years.
>
Do you want more of the same people who ruined our City in those 30 years???
Lots of new projects have been approved recently which will add to our City, let's look forward to some more I say!
With Ocean Village finally being finished and hopefully the extension to Oxford Street, the new Museum, Guildhall Square etc. We're finally starting to look like a City rather than a village.
Bring on more, let's be positive about our future! Or leave it to Labour to spend all our hard earned money on more non jobs and ignore investment in our future!
Condor Man
says...
7:08pm Mon 6 Feb 12
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Georgem
says...
7:37pm Mon 6 Feb 12
So the Echo hivemind spends half its time moaning how the entire nation now has to live on a diet of beans on toast, now that there are only 7 jobs left in the country and taxation has risen to 8 billion percent, and the other half rubbishing every single effort to create more jobs? Why not just kill yourselves, since everything is apparently irredeemably hellish?
Over the Edge
says...
7:51pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
George4th
says...
9:07pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:You have huffed and puffed but you still did not answer a simple question "Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected?"
George4th wrote:No I want delivery not plans, Ive heard all of the plans before, time to deliver or is it all p1ss and wind?
Over the Edge wrote:Did it take 30 years to stop listening to the previous councils?!
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
>
At least this lot have enthusiasm for the City of Southampton and you can already see positive results if you care to look around. That is despite coming into office after the economic debacle caused by the last Labour governments gross overspending.
>
We, the citizens of the City of Southampton, deserve a better City than the one we have. This council is showing initiative, energy, enthusiasm, strategy and planning, all of which was missing for the past 30 years.
>
Do you want more of the same people who ruined our City in those 30 years???
loosehead
says...
9:09pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:After reading what Williams said this could be something the politicians in the city work together to achieve.
loosehead wrote:I'm not rubbishing these plans, I just don't see how it will happen, let's face it these plans are for the 25 years, I will hopefully retired by the time they all come to fruition, I don't believe in raising expectations of people in the name of vote catching.
Over the Edge wrote:I worked for a good/high wage payer( £30,000 for a 36hour nightshift) I was on one of the lower levels of pay.
George4th wrote:Ask me a question, then proceed to ask two, oh well never mind I will both.
Over the Edge wrote:As you are a realist, please permit me to ask you a question. Do you want 30 more years of what we had before this council was elected? A secondary question - what is your solution to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st Century?
loosehead wrote:Firstly Loosehead, I am not a Labour supporter.
Over the Edge wrote:£230.000 to bring in 24.000 jobs sounds chicken feed.
Cue George4th
Telling us all how wonderful Royston and Merry Men are.
£230,000 to pay consultant, in a time when everyone is feeling the pinch seems an excessive waste of money, one wonders why now?
Don't Capita have design consultants? All this to make the centre city an inspiring place to work, visit and live?
People go to work because they have too, not because their inspired too.
I would love to know how Royston plans to get £3 billion of investment, the private sector are nearly as skint as the public sector.
So Labour has got it's dreams come true.
spend money to attract jobs isn't that what the National Labour party have been telling the Government?
Funny the same Labour supporters on here & moaning/slagging off a council that's attempting to do exactly that?
Personally I'd rather see 24.000 people in work than just 200 surely the 200 could find work in amongst the 24,000 jobs?
Also by the time these are built & new companies move in the council will keep all the business rates so maybe they could/should then re employ these people?
I just cannot 2,400 see jobs coming from this pipe dream let alone 24,000, my reasoning for this the small amount of £3 billion needed to get these projects delivered, I am 100% in favour of regeneration (as I work in this field) however I am also am realist.
These projects will not be delivered in the current climate, the private sector cannot afford to build, so unless there are going to be massive tax breaks for companies investing in the city by central Government (however they are investing in the North of England), on top of business rate rebates offered by the local authority for business's to come to the city, then it simple will not happen, the only hope of getting funding for projects of this size is ESF, which given CaMorons approach to Europe will not happen in a month of Sundays
I'm astounded that people cannot see this and the planned regeneration of 6 areas citywide (I believe council tenants are getting a letter this week) and the great museum give away cannot see that this is a ploy to get vote in the upcoming election in May.
I now know why the council spent so much money on a PR guru.
I believe there is good and bad in all 3 political parties, some good ideas that have scorn poured on them simply because a blue, red or yellow proposed them, which is fundamentally wrong as ward councillors are elected to act in the best interests of the electorate.
I do not believe that this happen, I have worked within regeneration for 20 years, the only way to regenerate is to work with business's, not just building unsustainable landmarks or museums.
This council are going to impose Community Infrastructure Levy on new builds, homes (£10 pm2) , retail (£9pm2) and industrial unit (£1pm2) again imposing a extra tax on building companies, all of that in addition to section 106.
So I would encourage business by reducing business rate for the first 5 years of trading within the city
I would the remove CIL.
I would lobby parliament for support in obtaining funding from Europe.
Once all of the above is in place I would build sustainable units for business's to enter.
I would insist (by section 106) contractors to offer apprenticeship during the building process, I would further insist (again by section 106) that a percentage of jobs available go to people within the post code, this would remove barriers to work.
Once I did all of the I would announce it the local media, I would not do it to get votes in the up coming elections.
people in this paper were cheering at the closure of the factory with 1,000 job losses.
they said great this site will bring in High Tech jobs instead of death sticks?
I don't think you could call Costco High Tech.
the same was said about Martini so when I read people knocking plans to bring work to the city I think here we go again.
would you & other people agree to wait & see exactly how much of these plans actually go ahead before we rubbish it?
If I am wrong, I will gladly apologies for my negativity.
@ George4th, I don't have death wish for the city, the blame game is easily played but it doesn't fix the issues, Ive heard so much come out of this councils mouth, I just don't believe them anymore.
I wonder if a feasibility study was carried out before instructing consultants?
Then if Labour/Liberals put their backing to the plans & did everything to bring the investment to this city ( isn't Williams a millionaire?) no one party could take all the credit but let's be honest here under June Bridles Labour council what dis she do to improve this city?
You love it or hate it west Quay was signed for 7 planned under Deacons Tory council the Labour party couldn't stop it.
i loved the lido but I would be the first to admit this place has bought much work to the city even if it's low paid they're jobs.
so yes the Tories have done it in the past why not wait & see if they can do it again or shall we take the risk bring back the people who just voted pay rises for themselves & raised council tax every year that's the choice we as a city have
loosehead
says...
9:12pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Condor Man wrote:Condorman being an ex Bellemoor boy I hate to say this but aren't you & this person forgetting King Edwards?
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
they are an excellent school good grades & much into sports as well.
If the children are that good they would walk into this school?
To many people are only interested in looking for the bad things not the good things this city has to offer
loosehead
says...
9:21pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Personally I would like to see the wool house become a Medieval/Saxon museum highlighting the fact that originally this was the capital of Saxon England.
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
It was funny at 40+ I was in Winchesters great Hall reading about how the Capital moved from Southampton to Winchester for defensive reasons ( Vikings) isn't it about time we shouted about our past & built new for the future?
This city could be a great place to visit if we could combine the two & be proud of our history.
I went out with a Yank, my car was broken so I showed her round the old walls it was only then I found out the old city walls were in fact the old castle walls I had never been taught that so why aren't we teaching this cities history to our children & shouting it out to all that would listen?
Condor Man
says...
9:48pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:75 years ago visionaries like Herbert Collins and Sidney Kimber were putting in place innovative housing developments and the Sports Centre. Who in the last 50 years has made a significant contribution to public life in the same way? The failure of the powers that have been to develop strong suburbs have lead to city being polarised between the haves, have nots and those like me in the middle. I want to live in a city not dominated by sink estates, poor schools and patchy facilities.
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
IronLady2010
says...
10:10pm Mon 6 Feb 12
Condor Man wrote:I'm surprised to see you posting in a past life!
Over the Edge wrote:75 years ago visionaries like Herbert Collins and Sidney Kimber were putting in place innovative housing developments and the Sports Centre. Who in the last 50 years has made a significant contribution to public life in the same way? The failure of the powers that have been to develop strong suburbs have lead to city being polarised between the haves, have nots and those like me in the middle. I want to live in a city not dominated by sink estates, poor schools and patchy facilities.
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
In 75 years the world has moved on a far way! ;-)
We have Sky TV these days! x
IronLady2010
says...
10:13pm Mon 6 Feb 12
IronLady2010 wrote:I should add we have Virgin too, just so I'm not biased. Don't ask me who they are, they're a new company I think?
Condor Man wrote:I'm surprised to see you posting in a past life!
Over the Edge wrote:75 years ago visionaries like Herbert Collins and Sidney Kimber were putting in place innovative housing developments and the Sports Centre. Who in the last 50 years has made a significant contribution to public life in the same way? The failure of the powers that have been to develop strong suburbs have lead to city being polarised between the haves, have nots and those like me in the middle. I want to live in a city not dominated by sink estates, poor schools and patchy facilities.
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
In 75 years the world has moved on a far way! ;-)
We have Sky TV these days! x
loosehead
says...
7:25am Tue 7 Feb 12
IronLady2010 wrote:IronLady I swapped from Sky to Virgin with the new Tivo box you get far better HD than with Sky
IronLady2010 wrote:I should add we have Virgin too, just so I'm not biased. Don't ask me who they are, they're a new company I think?
Condor Man wrote:I'm surprised to see you posting in a past life!
Over the Edge wrote:75 years ago visionaries like Herbert Collins and Sidney Kimber were putting in place innovative housing developments and the Sports Centre. Who in the last 50 years has made a significant contribution to public life in the same way? The failure of the powers that have been to develop strong suburbs have lead to city being polarised between the haves, have nots and those like me in the middle. I want to live in a city not dominated by sink estates, poor schools and patchy facilities.
Condor Man wrote:For once I agree with you, like I said this morning, regeneration is not always building new, you have to change what is on offer, good schools for children, good transport links, improved services.
It's going to take more than money to boost this city. I was talking to someone the other day who's leaving Highfield for Chandler's Ford because of the secondary school situation. The vision for Southampton isn't new buildings, it's to develop suburban areas to rival Chandler's Ford so we can keep the higher earners in the city. The failure of the city to provide schools as good as Thornden shows the lack of ambition that his hampering this city.
Rocket science its not.
In 75 years the world has moved on a far way! ;-)
We have Sky TV these days! x
Tom Liverpool
says...
3:00pm Tue 7 Feb 12
As a person who looks at this site primarily to see what is being said with regard to the Liverpool/Southampto
n argument, I must just say that in today's world, if you don't have a long term plan you don't get anything. Plan, speculate, go for the grants that you castigate Liverpool for getting, sometimes you will fail but eventually some of the plans will come good.
STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE. it's not scrounging it's the way the world works.
n argument, I must just say that in today's world, if you don't have a long term plan you don't get anything. Plan, speculate, go for the grants that you castigate Liverpool for getting, sometimes you will fail but eventually some of the plans will come good.
STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE. it's not scrounging it's the way the world works.
Phantomdoll says...
8:15am Mon 6 Feb 12