Tax could go up to pay for more police (From Daily Echo)

"Within the budget plan is also a proposal to sideline up to £400,000 to pay for more staff over the next two years to help seize back assets from those benefitting from committing crime."

If they do their job,surely this will be self funded!

How much were the new boats?

Oh it's finally beginning to dawn on the Tories then that they'll have to raise CT! .. they will have to do likewise then in Soton and IoW, Portsmouth otherwise that won't be equitable will it....

pee up and brewery springs to mind......

When doesn't it go up? It went up last year, the Government paid the increase instead of council tax payers. What that means to me is, the taxpayer still paid it, we just gave the money to the Government first.

We have been promised by the coalition once again that council tax for 2012 would be frozen but, as confirmed by the council and this article, this is not up to the coalition Government. It is not their decision to make, so it's not really their place to announce that they have frozen it, like Mr Cameron did before the general election. Liar.

Here's a heads up SCC (and my tight-fisted employer) YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES IN NEED OF A PAY INCREASE!

The council seem to treat and assumes non-payment of their daylight robbery taxation is a 'protest' against taxation... sometimes however, it's a simple choice between eating, paying your rent or handing over your hard earned money to a council who are dismantling the services that tax-payers have already paid for because previous councils borrowed too much money and this current mob of thieves have learnt nothing and still can't spend it wisely.

Here's an idea, cancel the automatic toll plan for itchen bridge and save the VOTERS some money instead of robbing them some more and keep those friendly bridge staff employed so they can afford the disgusting increases that are probably coming in 2013/2014.

I must add and maybe is it just me but, has anyone else noticed that most days there seems to be an excessive amount of patrol cars about on the streets of Southampton? If there is a shortage the police are doing a **** good job of making it look like there isn't.

headworm wrote:
I must add and maybe is it just me but, has anyone else noticed that most days there seems to be an excessive amount of patrol cars about on the streets of Southampton? If there is a shortage the police are doing a **** good job of making it look like there isn't.

Yes headworm , and it always coincides with mealtimes , I see them rushing out of the station, next minute they are all parked up ouside the takeaways.

NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

If they want to save money, try cutting out bonuses for chief officers and cutting out politically correct nonsense. saving money does not mean putting up taxes and spending more, it means saving money!!

Dresnez wrote:
NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

.. and your posts need to be cut by three-quarters.

Get rid of the cars and get back on the streets. Anyone else notice police cars driving into greggs over Bitterne?

i was in iceland in bitterne on friday and what did i see 2 community police officers buying milk in uniform, and the report from hampshire police on face book was the crime is cutting down through them, it is a joke cut down on them and pay for real police officers who can make an arresst' that will help the council tax payers'

Why do we need to pay for more police? The one's we have, already turn a blind eye to far too many minor offences. Too much effort confirming identity I would guess.
Deal with the small stuff and the ripple will spread...ignore it and some people will always try to push as far as they can!

Perhaps if HMRC can reach an agreement with the skates to settle their tax bill this money could be used to offset the cost of the extra police.

freefinker wrote:

Dresnez wrote:
NO NO NO WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY HIGHER COUNCIL TAX. Hampshire is not a high crime rate area. We have too many police who just cruise around in cars doing nothing much for a very high salary. It will be interesting to see but I bet there will be no difference in the crime rate prevention/detection with fewer police. We are taxed to death as it is and council tax needs to be cut in half at least.

.. and your posts need to be cut by three-quarters.

LOL I only posted it once but as I was registering on this site for the first time it kept popping up boxes for me to respond to. Correct - Once is quite enough!

Emmjaybee wrote:
Why do we need to pay for more police? The one's we have, already turn a blind eye to far too many minor offences. Too much effort confirming identity I would guess.
Deal with the small stuff and the ripple will spread...ignore it and some people will always try to push as far as they can!

You mean minor offences like cyclists with no lights? If they fined them £10.00 for every occasion, the coffers would be overflowing.

The Police do a great job in our City!

If only the residents were a bit more 'savvy' so as to report suspicions of any kind to their local beat officer then things would get better. But they'd rather just moan about Police not doing anything!

Check out the Echo link and see what's happpening in your area and get to know your beat officer?

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/li/crime.in.S
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OR sit back and moan! Your choice!

thomasupton wrote:
Get rid of the cars and get back on the streets. Anyone else notice police cars driving into greggs over Bitterne?

The cars are on the streets! What good is an officer walking if they are a mile away from a crime taking place? It would take them ages to jog or run to the scene!

Times have changed, having walking Bobby's on the beat just gives re-assurance to the public (whilst they are present), but at the same time criminals know where they are and wait until they move on.

It's impossible to have a Bobby on the beat on every street corner!

About time residents started grassing up the crims, so the Police can do their job, although I don't that will happen, we'll just sit back and moan!

LOL Why would anyone have a problem with police officers buying milk? Or getting a bite to eat? Don't we all do that and wouldn't we all be doing the same if we had jobs which allowed us to? I know I would. Big deal.

I don't have a problem with the police, they do a tough job in this dung-pile of a city with it's majority of arrogant zombie-like residents.

That said, I don't think it's the chief constables place to officially 'back' a council tax increase. Why should he have a say in how much tax residents pay? Was he elected to do so?

I don't think so.

I see it as a self-fulfilling prophecy. It stands to reason that as council tax becomes yet more unaffordable for residents, more residents will resort to crime. Here's a novel idea, reduce the council tax.

You could save money by taking back control of the money collected to the council instead of hiring private companies such as Capita to manage it when their primary objective is profit for their share-holders. At least that way, we can hold elected people accountable for their failings without them passing the buck to an unelected body of profiteers.

Won't happen though... too many zombies.

Fining cyclists without lights....perish the thought, too much like hard work (no number plates y'see).
On that subject though, I see all the signs relating to pavement/precinct cyclists being prosecuted. I would love to know just how often that happens. Not very I suspect...or am I just cynical?

We could manage with even fewer police if drunken students did not rampage at night through Portswood, Bevois Valley and Fitzhugh, Polygon on a long term basis ( 20 years ! )
Citizens in Polygon asked Solent Uni over ten years a go for security guards on the streets, nothing constructive has been done and residents have to deal with student ASB as best they can.
I know it is not the students fault
they do not pay Council tax but it is an ironic situation.

resident in southampton east wrote:
i was in iceland in bitterne on friday and what did i see 2 community police officers buying milk in uniform, and the report from hampshire police on face book was the crime is cutting down through them, it is a joke cut down on them and pay for real police officers who can make an arresst' that will help the council tax payers'

Oh my! Buying milk in uniform? Whatever next?!

Police Officers and PCSOs are entitled to a break but often don't get one, so do you expect them to take off their uniform to go to the shops?

Maybe they were doing community work and buying the milk for someone who couldn't get to the shops.

chrisdemeanour wrote:
If they want to save money, try cutting out bonuses for chief officers and cutting out politically correct nonsense. saving money does not mean putting up taxes and spending more, it means saving money!!

I believe that the Chief hasn't actually taken his bonus since he took charge at Hampshire Police.

thomasupton wrote:
Get rid of the cars and get back on the streets. Anyone else notice police cars driving into greggs over Bitterne?

Really? And how else do you expect them to get around?

As an example, a station I know (not in Hampshire or the south) covers an area roughly the geographical size of Southampton, possibly a bit more, with a shift of 4 maybe 5 officers. Walking around on foot, or riding around on bicycles comes in really handy when you need to attend a burglary on the other side of your area!

Torchie1 wrote:

Emmjaybee wrote:
Why do we need to pay for more police? The one's we have, already turn a blind eye to far too many minor offences. Too much effort confirming identity I would guess.
Deal with the small stuff and the ripple will spread...ignore it and some people will always try to push as far as they can!

You mean minor offences like cyclists with no lights? If they fined them £10.00 for every occasion, the coffers would be overflowing.

Fines don't go to the Police, they go to the Treasury. The Police may or may not get some of it back in the form of funding. The only exception, I believe, is the funding of the Safety Camera Partnerships, but they only get enough to fund themselves and any excess goes on to the Treasury as well.

I hope I get a pay rise if the council tax goes up

not-me wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Emmjaybee wrote:
Why do we need to pay for more police? The one's we have, already turn a blind eye to far too many minor offences. Too much effort confirming identity I would guess.
Deal with the small stuff and the ripple will spread...ignore it and some people will always try to push as far as they can!

You mean minor offences like cyclists with no lights? If they fined them £10.00 for every occasion, the coffers would be overflowing.

Fines don't go to the Police, they go to the Treasury. The Police may or may not get some of it back in the form of funding. The only exception, I believe, is the funding of the Safety Camera Partnerships, but they only get enough to fund themselves and any excess goes on to the Treasury as well.

Where did I mention 'Police' coffers?

not-me wrote:

thomasupton wrote:
Get rid of the cars and get back on the streets. Anyone else notice police cars driving into greggs over Bitterne?

Really? And how else do you expect them to get around?

As an example, a station I know (not in Hampshire or the south) covers an area roughly the geographical size of Southampton, possibly a bit more, with a shift of 4 maybe 5 officers. Walking around on foot, or riding around on bicycles comes in really handy when you need to attend a burglary on the other side of your area!

Attend a burglary, that'll be the day!! You get a crime number for insurance purposes. If police didn't spend all their time chasing innocent motorists maybe they could spend more time actually fighting real crime.

Personally I'd rather pay less tax. Funding for the police shouldn't come from Council Tax, we should get rid of this punitive charge and bring in a flat tax system where everyone pays a set amount based proportionately on their income rather than what their home was worth in 1991.

What is wrong with you people?

I take it from previous comments that, Police are not permitted to have meal breaks, or shop in local stores?

If they are on their break what difference does it matter? Plus unlike other jobs, police can be tied up for hours with no refreshments what so ever.

In America police officers are encouraged to take their lunch/dinner breaks in local restaurants etc, so that they spend more time with the public, the restaurant owner feels safer knowing he/she will have police visitors thus deterring unwanted trouble makers.

Christ the way people go on its like you don't want police to be around, now I have next to no faith in the police service due to the red tape and other obstacles politicians have decided to put in place. But if we didnt have a police force their would be anarchy, and the fact we dont have enough police as it is, you can see anarchy has began in small doses, just look at the news stories!

Taskforce 141 wrote:
What is wrong with you people?

I take it from previous comments that, Police are not permitted to have meal breaks, or shop in local stores?

If they are on their break what difference does it matter? Plus unlike other jobs, police can be tied up for hours with no refreshments what so ever.

In America police officers are encouraged to take their lunch/dinner breaks in local restaurants etc, so that they spend more time with the public, the restaurant owner feels safer knowing he/she will have police visitors thus deterring unwanted trouble makers.

Christ the way people go on its like you don't want police to be around, now I have next to no faith in the police service due to the red tape and other obstacles politicians have decided to put in place. But if we didnt have a police force their would be anarchy, and the fact we dont have enough police as it is, you can see anarchy has began in small doses, just look at the news stories!

Actually I have lived in places where there is little in the way of police presence and there has been no anarchy and not much crime. We are living in a police state that regulates and micro manages everything. The crime rate goes up because of the Tomes of laws that are passed that criminalises Joe Public. Of course they should be allowed to buy milk and have a lunch break in uniform. That is neither here nor there. If you want more police YOU pay for it in your council tax but I can't afford to pay out any more in taxes!!!! Hampshire is not a deprived area where there is a lot of gang and drug crime so why would we need it more than the inner cities? When there was a peaceful demonstration the police attacked an elderly man with his hands in his pockets walking away from then who later died and when there was anarchy in London's deprived areas the police stood by and watched in their riot gear - saw it on TV so not impressed with the police at all. These riots seem to kick off in reaction to something the police did in the first place. So not really crime prevention, but then its not in their interests to prevent crime is it? It has shaken my trust in the police totally. I thought I was living in a banana republic when I watched all of this. I am told there are some places that the police do not police because it's too dangerous but cannot verify this.

Dresnez wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
What is wrong with you people?

I take it from previous comments that, Police are not permitted to have meal breaks, or shop in local stores?

If they are on their break what difference does it matter? Plus unlike other jobs, police can be tied up for hours with no refreshments what so ever.

In America police officers are encouraged to take their lunch/dinner breaks in local restaurants etc, so that they spend more time with the public, the restaurant owner feels safer knowing he/she will have police visitors thus deterring unwanted trouble makers.

Christ the way people go on its like you don't want police to be around, now I have next to no faith in the police service due to the red tape and other obstacles politicians have decided to put in place. But if we didnt have a police force their would be anarchy, and the fact we dont have enough police as it is, you can see anarchy has began in small doses, just look at the news stories!

Actually I have lived in places where there is little in the way of police presence and there has been no anarchy and not much crime. We are living in a police state that regulates and micro manages everything. The crime rate goes up because of the Tomes of laws that are passed that criminalises Joe Public. Of course they should be allowed to buy milk and have a lunch break in uniform. That is neither here nor there. If you want more police YOU pay for it in your council tax but I can't afford to pay out any more in taxes!!!! Hampshire is not a deprived area where there is a lot of gang and drug crime so why would we need it more than the inner cities? When there was a peaceful demonstration the police attacked an elderly man with his hands in his pockets walking away from then who later died and when there was anarchy in London's deprived areas the police stood by and watched in their riot gear - saw it on TV so not impressed with the police at all. These riots seem to kick off in reaction to something the police did in the first place. So not really crime prevention, but then its not in their interests to prevent crime is it? It has shaken my trust in the police totally. I thought I was living in a banana republic when I watched all of this. I am told there are some places that the police do not police because it's too dangerous but cannot verify this.

So if you were a police officer in a riot squad of 10, you would feel perfectly safe against a mob of 200 hundred, alcohol and drug fuelled animals?

If the police had more numbers, were authorised to use specialist equipment (tear gas etc) then perhaps they would have been more effective, but as it stands they are handcuffed by legislation, and other than a stick are completed unarmed, even Chuck Norris would think twice about facing an aggressive mob in the hundreds!

The problem is Police are hindered round every corner from doing the right thing, or making effective arrests which in turn makes the police force insufficient. The problem is with the legislation and regulations, sort these and you may get an effective police force!

thomasupton wrote:

not-me wrote:

thomasupton wrote:
Get rid of the cars and get back on the streets. Anyone else notice police cars driving into greggs over Bitterne?

Really? And how else do you expect them to get around?

As an example, a station I know (not in Hampshire or the south) covers an area roughly the geographical size of Southampton, possibly a bit more, with a shift of 4 maybe 5 officers. Walking around on foot, or riding around on bicycles comes in really handy when you need to attend a burglary on the other side of your area!

Attend a burglary, that'll be the day!! You get a crime number for insurance purposes. If police didn't spend all their time chasing innocent motorists maybe they could spend more time actually fighting real crime.

Ha ha, brilliant. You're the funniest loser on here. Grow up.