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Shamed Saints fan Andrew Manvell jailed after violence
4:00pm Monday 13th February 2012 in News
A SAINTS supporter involved in a vicious attack on rival fans has been jailed after yet another angry clash.
Andrew Manvell was one of four thugs involved in a savage assault in which Yeovil Town fan Stephen Potter had his head stamped on.
Then, the 47-year-old escaped an immediate spell behind bars, receiving a suspended sentence and a three Football Banning Order.
The ruling meant he was barred from entering the vicinity of Saints’ ground St Mary’s before and after kick-off.
But just months after his court appearance, he flouted the restrictions during an angry confrontation with Bournemouth fans – and now he will spend the next eight months locked up.
According to prosecutor Paul Fairley, Manvell shouted at the opposing fans with his face distorted in rage and showing real anger in his eyes.
Police were escorting Bournemouth “risk” supporters along Above Bar to the railway station on October 2, 2010 when 30 to 40 Saints fans emerged from Palmerston Park.
Manvell wearing a Saints shirt was at the front, shouting and gesturing.
Mr Fairley said: “He was asked to keep back, he refused and an officer had to strike with a baton to make him comply. He was arrested shortly afterwards.”
Manvell, of Spring Close, Southampton, admitted breaching the suspended sentence imposed for the violent disorder.
Judge Peter Ralls QC said he had previously made it “crystal clear” to Manvell he would be jailed if he breached it.
“You were asked to desist and move on but you didn’t. It would make a mockery of court orders if I didn’t activate the suspended sentence.”
The judge however reduced the sentence because the other elements of the order had been fulfilled.
Manvell said he had been drinking heavily outside the zone and entered it to catch a bus home, though he accepted he should not have done so.
In mitigation, David Reid said Manvell was so busy he had taken on a trainee. He said: “He has completed the other requirements of the suspended sentence. He has knuckled down and got on with it. If he goes to prison, his business will fold and the trainee will lose his employment.”
In his previous court appearance, CCTV footage appeared to show Manvell aiming a kick at a fan close to the King Alfred Pub in St Mary’s.
Moments later a second man stamped on Mr Potter’s head as he lay on the ground.
Manvell was one of four sentenced after admitting being part of the violent disorder in 2009, each of them receiving a 45-week suspended jail term.
Comments(66)
Huey
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4:27pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Dasal
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4:28pm Mon 13 Feb 12
The club should act now and ban this animal from all games - FOR LIFE !!!
We - the real fans - can do without this scum acting out their aggression in the name of Southampton FC.
The club doesn't need it and nor does the game, and at 47 years old - HE AINT GONNA LEARN NOW !!
Rampart Rd
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4:31pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes.
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4:38pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Rampart Rd wrote:His 'vicitim' was in the KA gobbing off and got exactly what he wanted, I saw it all.
Very Glad to see this mindless thug behind bars. Tough if he looses his business, his victim could have lost his life! Am I the only one who is concerned about the rise of football related violence at Saints games since are move to St Marys ?
Rampart Rd
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4:53pm Mon 13 Feb 12
dango
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4:54pm Mon 13 Feb 12
elvisimo
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4:56pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:Hmm you sound like a particularly inteligent guy. Of course it was "exactly what he wanted". It must have been on his christmas wish list - new dvd player, pair of socks, some thicko stamping on my head.
Rampart Rd wrote: Very Glad to see this mindless thug behind bars. Tough if he looses his business, his victim could have lost his life! Am I the only one who is concerned about the rise of football related violence at Saints games since are move to St Marys ?His 'vicitim' was in the KA gobbing off and got exactly what he wanted, I saw it all.
Grow up
Big Mac
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4:57pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:BIG Bad Manvell. What a mindless moron. Shame the baton strike didn't take his empty head off.
Rampart Rd wrote:His 'vicitim' was in the KA gobbing off and got exactly what he wanted, I saw it all.
Very Glad to see this mindless thug behind bars. Tough if he looses his business, his victim could have lost his life! Am I the only one who is concerned about the rise of football related violence at Saints games since are move to St Marys ?
Nine Toes.
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5:03pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
Safehands
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5:07pm Mon 13 Feb 12
dango
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5:09pm Mon 13 Feb 12
teamgreen
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5:10pm Mon 13 Feb 12
weall8leedscum
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5:22pm Mon 13 Feb 12
He Should of got at least 30 years for that.
I mean, just the anger in his eyes should of got him 20 years.
Whilst we are at it. dango should get 10 years for posting utter Sh**.
freemantlegirl2
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5:29pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
yorkshire-exile
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5:47pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes.
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5:59pm Mon 13 Feb 12
dango wrote:So I 'sicken you' for merely pointing out the Yeovil fans were being complete Bellends in the King Alfred.
@Nine Toes, please take your thoughts to Jeremy Kyle. You sicken me, and no doubt every other right thinking Saints fan.
Nice one fella, were you there that day? Didn't think so.
As for Freemantle girl, make yourself useful love and go and do the ironing or something. Your opinion is worthless.
freemantlegirl2
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6:01pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:lmao!! if it's worthless to someone like you mate, then I've really achieved something today! :p
dango wrote:So I 'sicken you' for merely pointing out the Yeovil fans were being complete Bellends in the King Alfred.
@Nine Toes, please take your thoughts to Jeremy Kyle. You sicken me, and no doubt every other right thinking Saints fan.
Nice one fella, were you there that day? Didn't think so.
As for Freemantle girl, make yourself useful love and go and do the ironing or something. Your opinion is worthless.
sarfhamton
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6:09pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:Isnt the King Alfred a gay pub Nine Toes?
Rampart Rd wrote: Very Glad to see this mindless thug behind bars. Tough if he looses his business, his victim could have lost his life! Am I the only one who is concerned about the rise of football related violence at Saints games since are move to St Marys ?His 'vicitim' was in the KA gobbing off and got exactly what he wanted, I saw it all.
I hear you like "gobbing off"
allsaintsnocurves
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6:11pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Nine Toes just highlights what is wrong with this country today! Rather than focussing on as he says it the mindless attitude of some idiot Yeovil fans he is supporting the mindless idiot actions of Manvell! The only way to stamp out this violence is not to support it or get involved in it. If you can't control the minds and actions of others then make **** sure you can control your own!
Nine Toes. wrote:lmao!! if it's worthless to someone like you mate, then I've really achieved something today! :pdango wrote: @Nine Toes, please take your thoughts to Jeremy Kyle. You sicken me, and no doubt every other right thinking Saints fan.So I 'sicken you' for merely pointing out the Yeovil fans were being complete Bellends in the King Alfred. Nice one fella, were you there that day? Didn't think so. As for Freemantle girl, make yourself useful love and go and do the ironing or something. Your opinion is worthless.
allsaintsnocurves
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6:12pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2
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6:18pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
teamgreen
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6:26pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:well said
Nicely put! ASNC! :) Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand...... Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:- a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so. OR b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve.... toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
Nine Toes.
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6:28pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
Condor Man
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6:34pm Mon 13 Feb 12
sarfhamton
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6:38pm Mon 13 Feb 12
I suggest you stay with your mates at the K.A. i am sure they will make you feel more like a man.
weall8leedscum
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6:46pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Tell us what happen then freemantle girl?.
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
As you clearly Witnessed both incidents. {from behind your pc}
Go on . Give us one of your "pearls of wisdom".
Hope that was not you I saw hanging around grove road?
Just wandered like
freemantlegirl2
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6:57pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
Nine Toes.
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7:01pm Mon 13 Feb 12
sarfhamton wrote:Not all women, just complete planks like Freemantle girl.
Nine toes, you seem to have many issues but it seems women having an opinion is one of them.
I suggest you stay with your mates at the K.A. i am sure they will make you feel more like a man.
Not once have I condoned the Yeovil incident, just offered up some facts as to what happened just before the video footage.
One more thing, leave the homosexual undertones out of your posts, being witty doesn't suit you.
Over the Edge
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7:02pm Mon 13 Feb 12
The person who stamped the Yeovil supporters head, pleaded guilty in court and was not sent to prison either.
That doesn't make either incident right, but Echo should at least use the correct video.
freemantlegirl2
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7:05pm Mon 13 Feb 12
weall8leedscum wrote:Errmm he's been tried in Court with 'evidence' and been convicted (again with evidence) for a second time with evidence and broke a suspended sentence.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Tell us what happen then freemantle girl?.
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
As you clearly Witnessed both incidents. {from behind your pc}
Go on . Give us one of your "pearls of wisdom".
Hope that was not you I saw hanging around grove road?
Just wandered like
As for Grove Road, I would say that is more likely to be someone who uses a silly moniker on the internet to argue with another footie club - please don't judge me by your own low moral standards. I'm guessing this is some mate of yours or family and you know better than a judge and jury - and this guy has a previous all of which is reported here he's now in prison - enough said.
freemantlegirl2
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7:14pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Yes you're right actually OTE it says "In his previous court appearance, CCTV footage appeared to show Manvell aiming a kick at a fan close to the King Alfred Pub in St Mary’s."
The person stamping on the Yeovil fans head, is not Andy Manvell.
The person who stamped the Yeovil supporters head, pleaded guilty in court and was not sent to prison either.
That doesn't make either incident right, but Echo should at least use the correct video.
and
"Andrew Manvell was one of four thugs involved in a savage assault in which Yeovil Town fan Stephen Potter had his head stamped on."
You get once chance, drinking heavily and mouthing off at fans, being aggressive and spoiling for a fight is bound to be on the road to nowhere. Either way, these thugs should be kicked out of football matches for good. Either they behave themselves and make their way home like most decent fans do, or they get punished.... they are all as culpable for the first and second incidents. If you stand by and cause or watch someone having their head stamped on is thuggery... however many 'excuses' you make for them.....
Nine Toes.
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7:14pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Not quite sure what points you are trying to argue there. If you think it's acceptable to go into pubs goading the locals and offending members of staff then that's your opinion.
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
If you don't, then maybe you should have read my first post before jumping down my throat.
It might not be right but this happens all the time.
Sorry to hear about your mum btw.
weall8leedscum
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7:15pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:"I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off" ?
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
What has that got to do with this?. Whenever someone disagrees with you you turn on the water works to get sympathy votes.
Last time it was your disabled son, next you will be telling everyone that you are terminally ill.
Whilst the above is sad if true I am starting to doubt anything you say.
Now answer the question, and tell us what happened at both incidents.
Bring on the abuse form from all the other "freemantle saddo club" who will be spending an evening at home tomorrow with their right hand.
P.S. no typing with caps lock on.
Over the Edge
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7:19pm Mon 13 Feb 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:@ FMG2,,,,Andy Manvell pleaded guilty to the original offence and to the later offence of violent disorder, therefore he was not tried and convicted.
weall8leedscum wrote:Errmm he's been tried in Court with 'evidence' and been convicted (again with evidence) for a second time with evidence and broke a suspended sentence.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Tell us what happen then freemantle girl?.
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
As you clearly Witnessed both incidents. {from behind your pc}
Go on . Give us one of your "pearls of wisdom".
Hope that was not you I saw hanging around grove road?
Just wandered like
As for Grove Road, I would say that is more likely to be someone who uses a silly moniker on the internet to argue with another footie club - please don't judge me by your own low moral standards. I'm guessing this is some mate of yours or family and you know better than a judge and jury - and this guy has a previous all of which is reported here he's now in prison - enough said.
I was present on the day on the Yeovil game, although I do not agree with all of Nine Toes comments or the way he is attempting glorifying events, Yeovil supporters including the victim were taunting opposing fans in the pub, they offered opposing fans outside for a fight, this incident is not as one sided as it looks.
My comments are in no way intended to defend these people or their behaviour, it just needs to said, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Nine Toes.
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7:35pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Can you please explain how I am 'glorifying events'.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:@ FMG2,,,,Andy Manvell pleaded guilty to the original offence and to the later offence of violent disorder, therefore he was not tried and convicted.
weall8leedscum wrote:Errmm he's been tried in Court with 'evidence' and been convicted (again with evidence) for a second time with evidence and broke a suspended sentence.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Tell us what happen then freemantle girl?.
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
As you clearly Witnessed both incidents. {from behind your pc}
Go on . Give us one of your "pearls of wisdom".
Hope that was not you I saw hanging around grove road?
Just wandered like
As for Grove Road, I would say that is more likely to be someone who uses a silly moniker on the internet to argue with another footie club - please don't judge me by your own low moral standards. I'm guessing this is some mate of yours or family and you know better than a judge and jury - and this guy has a previous all of which is reported here he's now in prison - enough said.
I was present on the day on the Yeovil game, although I do not agree with all of Nine Toes comments or the way he is attempting glorifying events, Yeovil supporters including the victim were taunting opposing fans in the pub, they offered opposing fans outside for a fight, this incident is not as one sided as it looks.
My comments are in no way intended to defend these people or their behaviour, it just needs to said, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
If you act like a spanner in a pub, people will take exception to it.
The Yeovil fans can have no complaints, they wanted a fight and they got one.
rob the saint in NZ
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7:40pm Mon 13 Feb 12
To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable.
There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.
Over the Edge
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7:48pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:What I said was "attempting to glorifying events" I was giving my opinion on your comments, as it came across to me.
Over the Edge wrote:Can you please explain how I am 'glorifying events'.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:@ FMG2,,,,Andy Manvell pleaded guilty to the original offence and to the later offence of violent disorder, therefore he was not tried and convicted.
weall8leedscum wrote:Errmm he's been tried in Court with 'evidence' and been convicted (again with evidence) for a second time with evidence and broke a suspended sentence.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Tell us what happen then freemantle girl?.
Nine Toes. wrote:It's people like you that should NOT be included in ANY football game or supporting. And be careful because you could find yourself in hot water for 'inciting' violence .... and wellall8(argh)leedsc
Rampart Rd wrote:Yes, yes I think he did.
So he wanted his head stamped on then?
um... grow up too!
Agree with the rest of the 'sensible' people on here though that this 'thug' got what he deserved and is a mindless moron for doing what he did..... as someone said 'big hard man that he is...' pathetic !
As you clearly Witnessed both incidents. {from behind your pc}
Go on . Give us one of your "pearls of wisdom".
Hope that was not you I saw hanging around grove road?
Just wandered like
As for Grove Road, I would say that is more likely to be someone who uses a silly moniker on the internet to argue with another footie club - please don't judge me by your own low moral standards. I'm guessing this is some mate of yours or family and you know better than a judge and jury - and this guy has a previous all of which is reported here he's now in prison - enough said.
I was present on the day on the Yeovil game, although I do not agree with all of Nine Toes comments or the way he is attempting glorifying events, Yeovil supporters including the victim were taunting opposing fans in the pub, they offered opposing fans outside for a fight, this incident is not as one sided as it looks.
My comments are in no way intended to defend these people or their behaviour, it just needs to said, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
If you act like a spanner in a pub, people will take exception to it.
The Yeovil fans can have no complaints, they wanted a fight and they got one.
I was also backing what you were saying about their behaviour in the pub.
Over the Edge
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7:50pm Mon 13 Feb 12
rob the saint in NZ wrote:I agree, however the person stamping on the blokes head is not the person this story is about.
Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour.
To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable.
There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.
Exiled Saint - front line eastern outpost of Gosport
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7:51pm Mon 13 Feb 12
rob the saint in NZ
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8:10pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:It doesn't matter who it is, or where they are from or what club they "support"; it is unacceptable - full stop.
rob the saint in NZ wrote: Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour. To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable. There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.I agree, however the person stamping on the blokes head is not the person this story is about.
Linesman
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8:21pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:It is morons like this that has caused the police to see fans have to travel to Fratton Park in the Bubble.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
To call them animals is an insult to animals.
J.P.M
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8:27pm Mon 13 Feb 12
We have probably reached the point where football should be played in empty stadiums, while the toothless hordes should be allowed to watch on TV only
Over the Edge
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8:47pm Mon 13 Feb 12
rob the saint in NZ wrote:Totally agree, totally unacceptable
Over the Edge wrote:It doesn't matter who it is, or where they are from or what club they "support"; it is unacceptable - full stop.
rob the saint in NZ wrote: Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour. To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable. There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.I agree, however the person stamping on the blokes head is not the person this story is about.
legod7
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9:38pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Then he wouldn't have been arrested for this latest incident.
When you get people like Nine Toes glorifying it then it will go on forever.
OSPREYSAINT
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9:46pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Rampart Rd
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9:48pm Mon 13 Feb 12
OSPREYSAINT
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9:51pm Mon 13 Feb 12
J.P.M wrote:Perhaps you should use more care in where you walk in future, I have supported the Saints for over fifty years and seldom have I had any concern, because I go out of my way to avoid trouble, sadly there are a few who don't, and I mean a few.
He is the animal that got caught. There are thousands like him at st marys every week. I have twice had the misfortune to be caught-up in the crowd, while walking, and it is both intimidating and disgusting. Swearing, urinating, aggressive chanting are all on show. Women are also present (strangely), and this does not reduce the threats.
We have probably reached the point where football should be played in empty stadiums, while the toothless hordes should be allowed to watch on TV only
OSPREYSAINT
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9:58pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Rampart Rd wrote:If you were to break down the statistics I think you will not find any real increase in violence around football, it is mostly isolated and predictable, it is always there and always will be, but that is no reason for the PC brigade to get involved, even the Womans Institute can get rowdy when roused by someone or something they don't like, ask Tony Blair!
So, back to one of my original points. Is anyone else concerned at the rise of football related violence since our move to St Marys? why is it happening? and what if anything is being done to stop it?
Over the Edge
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10:01pm Mon 13 Feb 12
legod7 wrote:When the person who is seen stamping on the fans head was laughing when got away without jail, yes I agree with you, the judge was too soft on them.
He should have been sent down for at least 5 years for beating up the Yeovil fan in the first place.
Then he wouldn't have been arrested for this latest incident.
When you get people like Nine Toes glorifying it then it will go on forever.
Rampart Rd
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10:05pm Mon 13 Feb 12
weall8leedscum
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10:13pm Mon 13 Feb 12
J.P.M wrote:You should be sectioned under the mental health act. Your clearly not the full ticket. Bipolar?. Or a Skate?
He is the animal that got caught. There are thousands like him at st marys every week. I have twice had the misfortune to be caught-up in the crowd, while walking, and it is both intimidating and disgusting. Swearing, urinating, aggressive chanting are all on show. Women are also present (strangely), and this does not reduce the threats.
We have probably reached the point where football should be played in empty stadiums, while the toothless hordes should be allowed to watch on TV only
I have reported you to the authorities.
A 30 year custodial sentence should straighten you out.
Georgem
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10:41pm Mon 13 Feb 12
rob the saint in NZ wrote:To be fair, I don't think our nine-toed chum thinks the head-stamping is a proportional response to mouthing off at someone, just that if one goes around picking fights with the home crowd, you have to expect a violent response. Which is true. Is IS possible to understand why something *has* happened, without thinking it *should have* happened.
Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour.
To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable.
There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.
For example: we all know the old saying about sticks and stones, but we all also know that screaming racial epithets in the face of Mike Tyson is probably going to elicit some sort of violent response. We are capable of accommodating an idea, without condoning it.
City Saint
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12:21am Tue 14 Feb 12
Georgem wrote:Blimey. Somehow I think you're reading this article for the socioeconomic insights, rather than the usual football banter. If you can sort out the conundrum at left back as incisively perhaps you'd be kind enough to send it on a postcard to N. Adkins, c/o st mary's.
rob the saint in NZ wrote:To be fair, I don't think our nine-toed chum thinks the head-stamping is a proportional response to mouthing off at someone, just that if one goes around picking fights with the home crowd, you have to expect a violent response. Which is true. Is IS possible to understand why something *has* happened, without thinking it *should have* happened.
Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour.
To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable.
There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.
For example: we all know the old saying about sticks and stones, but we all also know that screaming racial epithets in the face of Mike Tyson is probably going to elicit some sort of violent response. We are capable of accommodating an idea, without condoning it.
Nine toed dude doesn't deserve the intellectual support however. I doubt he means anything half as subtle.
andysaints007
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12:22am Tue 14 Feb 12
Nine Toes. wrote:Hey Nine toes -I agree that gobbing off is prob the silly thing to do but u gotta agree that stamping on someones head just takes it to another level !! Have a fight if you want to but stamping when someone is down is basically the **** thing to do and I am soooooo glad they Echo let everyone know where that tw*t lives - Spring Close is a very small road!!!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Not quite sure what points you are trying to argue there. If you think it's acceptable to go into pubs goading the locals and offending members of staff then that's your opinion.
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
If you don't, then maybe you should have read my first post before jumping down my throat.
It might not be right but this happens all the time.
Sorry to hear about your mum btw.
Georgem
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6:54am Tue 14 Feb 12
City Saint wrote:Well, quite. He's just here for a bit of online argy-bargy. I'm just lobbing this in to mess with the hard-of-thinking contingent. A bit like writing "P.T.O" on both sides of a bit of paper and handing it to them, or telling a 50s sci-fi robot "this statement is a lie", it might keep them occupied for a bit.
Georgem wrote:Blimey. Somehow I think you're reading this article for the socioeconomic insights, rather than the usual football banter. If you can sort out the conundrum at left back as incisively perhaps you'd be kind enough to send it on a postcard to N. Adkins, c/o st mary's.
rob the saint in NZ wrote:To be fair, I don't think our nine-toed chum thinks the head-stamping is a proportional response to mouthing off at someone, just that if one goes around picking fights with the home crowd, you have to expect a violent response. Which is true. Is IS possible to understand why something *has* happened, without thinking it *should have* happened.
Anyone who thinks to themselves that stamping on or kicking someone in the head while they are lying on the ground can be justified or mitigated has serious issues with morality, decency & just plain normal standards of behaviour.
To then make your ugly thoughts public by posting them on here & then to continue to try & justify them against others criticism of such a flagrant act of disgusting human cowardly behaviour displays your own shockingly poor grasp of what is & isn't acceptable.
There is NO justification for this behaviour at all.
For example: we all know the old saying about sticks and stones, but we all also know that screaming racial epithets in the face of Mike Tyson is probably going to elicit some sort of violent response. We are capable of accommodating an idea, without condoning it.
Nine toed dude doesn't deserve the intellectual support however. I doubt he means anything half as subtle.
Over the Edge
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9:57am Tue 14 Feb 12
andysaints007 wrote:He did not kick anyone when he was on the floor, read the story, he was involved in the incident, the video is someone else.
Nine Toes. wrote:Hey Nine toes -I agree that gobbing off is prob the silly thing to do but u gotta agree that stamping on someones head just takes it to another level !! Have a fight if you want to but stamping when someone is down is basically the **** thing to do and I am soooooo glad they Echo let everyone know where that tw*t lives - Spring Close is a very small road!!!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Not quite sure what points you are trying to argue there. If you think it's acceptable to go into pubs goading the locals and offending members of staff then that's your opinion.
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
If you don't, then maybe you should have read my first post before jumping down my throat.
It might not be right but this happens all the time.
Sorry to hear about your mum btw.
bazzeroz
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11:06am Tue 14 Feb 12
Hobson82
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2:54pm Tue 14 Feb 12
ToastyTea wrote:I'm sure Southampton Football Club really appreciate fans sticking up for there club buy kicking people's heads in.
Funny all the cluessless people commenting on this. This guys get my respect anyway, someone willing to serve their club while others just shout and sing behind ob lines.
Shoong
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2:58pm Tue 14 Feb 12
J.P.M wrote:You made this up.
He is the animal that got caught. There are thousands like him at st marys every week. I have twice had the misfortune to be caught-up in the crowd, while walking, and it is both intimidating and disgusting. Swearing, urinating, aggressive chanting are all on show. Women are also present (strangely), and this does not reduce the threats.
We have probably reached the point where football should be played in empty stadiums, while the toothless hordes should be allowed to watch on TV only
andysaints007
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4:19pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Over the Edge wrote:Oh that makes it alright then !! PRATT
andysaints007 wrote:He did not kick anyone when he was on the floor, read the story, he was involved in the incident, the video is someone else.
Nine Toes. wrote:Hey Nine toes -I agree that gobbing off is prob the silly thing to do but u gotta agree that stamping on someones head just takes it to another level !! Have a fight if you want to but stamping when someone is down is basically the **** thing to do and I am soooooo glad they Echo let everyone know where that tw*t lives - Spring Close is a very small road!!!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Not quite sure what points you are trying to argue there. If you think it's acceptable to go into pubs goading the locals and offending members of staff then that's your opinion.
Nine Toes. wrote:Oh dear oh dear, someone has got their underpants in a knot... it seems my 'love' that you are in a minority with your spewed opinion (this wasn't just a slap was it trying viewing the video again to clarify it) - and perhaps I'd encourage you to come out that cave and smell the coffee sometime ;) women got the vote and have had opinions for quite a few years - sorry to disappoint you ;) I'm happy for you to disagree as long as it's on a level playing field :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:You really don't get it, do you love.
Nicely put! ASNC! :)
Let's put it into simple terms that he might understand......
Someone's mouthing off at a footie match/in the street post-footie match... do I:-
a) go and push them over (or let someone else push them), stamp on their head, get a criminal record, risk seriously disabling someone or even killing them and go to jail for doing so.
OR
b) walk off and ignore the silly idiots... and treat them with the contempt they deserve....
toughie isn't it!? and no, Ninetoes, you can not phone a friend!
If I was behaving like the Yeovil fans were in the K.A in one of their pubs I would be fully expecting to get a slap. They certainly can't have any complaints.
It might not be right, but that's life I'm afraid.
Do you understand now? I know you have previous for using retarded phrases like 'lmao' and other crap but I hope this has finally got through to you now. Maybe get your mum to explain it if you're still struggling.
I will ignore your other ridiculous flaming - but would like you to note that my mother died of cancer 22 years ago and I'm in my 40s!! does one understand that? without one offending ones sensibility and not one having to laugh one's derrière off ?
I do hope that you don't become a magistrate any time soon!
If you don't, then maybe you should have read my first post before jumping down my throat.
It might not be right but this happens all the time.
Sorry to hear about your mum btw.
cantthinkofone
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9:13pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Saints need to take some decisive action to rid their club of scum like toastytea and his friends. If they don't, then once they're back in the Premier incidents will receive far more attention, and the club will end up being treated as a disgrace.
Of course, people like toastytea would regard that kind of coverage as a badge of honour, something to be proud of, to distract them from their devastating personal inadequacies and insecurities.
andysaints007
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12:07am Wed 15 Feb 12
cantthinkofone wrote:Well I take my kids and grand kids and never had a problem so no need to over react!!
Knuckle-dragging neanderthals with a Danny Dyer fixation. Pathetic, and a large part of the reason I've never taken my nipper to St Mary's.
Saints need to take some decisive action to rid their club of scum like toastytea and his friends. If they don't, then once they're back in the Premier incidents will receive far more attention, and the club will end up being treated as a disgrace.
Of course, people like toastytea would regard that kind of coverage as a badge of honour, something to be proud of, to distract them from their devastating personal inadequacies and insecurities.
Sfctrucker
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11:44am Wed 15 Feb 12
garlic
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3:40pm Wed 15 Feb 12
Although have to question why those Yeovil fans thought it would be a good idea to drink in the King Alfred, I'd certainly never drink in a pub next to an oppposition's stadium after a match unless I knew it was an away pub.
Folkestone Saint
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2:36pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Sfctrucker wrote:Have you not said in an earlier post you don't go. I do attend games and in all the time St Marys has been open I have only seen on incident of trouble and that was the barnsley fans not Saints.
How can some people on this site, comment on football fans going to st mary, when they having never been to a match, not surprised the country's in such a state with some of the knob heads you get on some of these sites. Theres a book coming out soon all about Southampton football hooligans, from the 70's to present. Been told all proceeds going to charity, the thugs !!!
p.s. the country is in such a state due to highly educated people who could not admit they were wrong and wasted all of our money and still got a bonus
Shoong says...
4:05pm Mon 13 Feb 12