Hovis bread plant to close (From Daily Echo)

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

southy wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

Calor gas, Coke cola, Corona, Walls, Armours, Mullards, Redbridge BR Foundary, H&W, Swans, Husbands, Hunters, Stevens/Mathew Hall, SWA all these use to employ more than 500 workers in each place, some well over a 1000 workers.

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

Calor gas, Coke cola, Corona, Walls, Armours, Mullards, Redbridge BR Foundary, H&W, Swans, Husbands, Hunters, Stevens/Mathew Hall, SWA all these use to employ more than 500 workers in each place, some well over a 1000 workers.

add to that Solent Carpet, Avos

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Huey wrote:
At least the job in Yeastleigh are safe

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Huey wrote:
At least the job in Yeastleigh are safe

Dough! Stale news and no crumbs of comfort.

Stillness wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Huey wrote:
At least the job in Yeastleigh are safe

Dough! Stale news and no crumbs of comfort.

And to think that once they used to be the toast of the town.

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

Totally agree with you, Now I hope the Unite Union & Unison come to that decision & help the Refuse collectors to set up their own company.
They could run it at a profit guarantee their own jobs & save the council money what a great idea from Southy

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

True Co-ops was what Lenin was doing at the work place, and they was working very well it started to get Russia into the modern age, this is Socialism but when Lenin died in 1923 that all came to an end, Stalin undone all that Lenin had done and returned the country to capitalism but kept the word communism just to keep people quiet.
True Co-ops work very well, there is no need for top managerment, they are an extra cost and burden that is not needed at the work place.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

Totally agree with you, Now I hope the Unite Union & Unison come to that decision & help the Refuse collectors to set up their own company.
They could run it at a profit guarantee their own jobs & save the council money what a great idea from Southy

Not my Idea try Karl Marx, and with true Co-ops theres no real need for Unions because in away the Co-op is the Union and self regulating one

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

Totally agree with you, Now I hope the Unite Union & Unison come to that decision & help the Refuse collectors to set up their own company.
They could run it at a profit guarantee their own jobs & save the council money what a great idea from Southy

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

Seems to me that Southy has a point, I don't care the political points but co-operatives could and possibly should be the way forward.

True Co-ops was what Lenin was doing at the work place, and they was working very well it started to get Russia into the modern age, this is Socialism but when Lenin died in 1923 that all came to an end, Stalin undone all that Lenin had done and returned the country to capitalism but kept the word communism just to keep people quiet.
True Co-ops work very well, there is no need for top managerment, they are an extra cost and burden that is not needed at the work place.

Sorry but production was at an all time low as no matter how hard they worked they wouldn't improve their wage.
The machinery was old & dilapidated & until they started to head to Capitalism they had food vouchers & had to queue to get food,
Hows that working? you live in a dream world Southy

southy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

There is none it ended in 1923, Even Government was run like a Co-op under Lenin in Russia.

It takes more than words, its actions and deeds what makes Socialism as it do with Capitalism

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

There is none it ended in 1923, Even Government was run like a Co-op under Lenin in Russia.

It takes more than words, its actions and deeds what makes Socialism as it do with Capitalism

Yes, the Famine of 1921-1922 which I'm sure the Russian population remember with great fondness.

More so the members of the Orthodox Church who started to mysteriously vanish after somehow copping the blame for it all.
It wasn't because they held influence over the peasants that Lenin could never gain by legitimate means, of course not.

Lovely guy that Lenin.

And the 'Holodomor'. Genocide of your own people by starvation in Ukraine initiated by Stalin. Great guys all round.

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

There is none it ended in 1923, Even Government was run like a Co-op under Lenin in Russia.

It takes more than words, its actions and deeds what makes Socialism as it do with Capitalism

Yes, the Famine of 1921-1922 which I'm sure the Russian population remember with great fondness.

More so the members of the Orthodox Church who started to mysteriously vanish after somehow copping the blame for it all.
It wasn't because they held influence over the peasants that Lenin could never gain by legitimate means, of course not.

Lovely guy that Lenin.

And the 'Holodomor'. Genocide of your own people by starvation in Ukraine initiated by Stalin. Great guys all round.

That was a natural famine Russia went though a very long hot dry summer. and crops was lost, the same thing happened in many parts of Europe that year, even in North America they had a Famine the same year. and people staved to death
Members of the Orthodox Church went missing under Stalin not Lenin, Stalin was a strict Atheist.

Shoong Spring 1917 was the white revolution, one of the leading members was Stalin and the Capitalist Provinicalist gain control from the Military Imperial Government, Stalin was one of those ordered the arrest of Lenin on Entery to Russia, and when that failed he tired to derail the Autumn Red Revolution in 1917, by saying well telling Lenin and members to come to Russia and support the Capitalist Provinicalist Government which Stalin was part off, that failed to.
Stalin was never a member to the Communist Party or any part of the CWI.
Learn your history more

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

There is none it ended in 1923, Even Government was run like a Co-op under Lenin in Russia.

It takes more than words, its actions and deeds what makes Socialism as it do with Capitalism

Yes, the Famine of 1921-1922 which I'm sure the Russian population remember with great fondness.

More so the members of the Orthodox Church who started to mysteriously vanish after somehow copping the blame for it all.
It wasn't because they held influence over the peasants that Lenin could never gain by legitimate means, of course not.

Lovely guy that Lenin.

And the 'Holodomor'. Genocide of your own people by starvation in Ukraine initiated by Stalin. Great guys all round.

That was a natural famine Russia went though a very long hot dry summer. and crops was lost, the same thing happened in many parts of Europe that year, even in North America they had a Famine the same year. and people staved to death
Members of the Orthodox Church went missing under Stalin not Lenin, Stalin was a strict Atheist.

Shoong Spring 1917 was the white revolution, one of the leading members was Stalin and the Capitalist Provinicalist gain control from the Military Imperial Government, Stalin was one of those ordered the arrest of Lenin on Entery to Russia, and when that failed he tired to derail the Autumn Red Revolution in 1917, by saying well telling Lenin and members to come to Russia and support the Capitalist Provinicalist Government which Stalin was part off, that failed to.
Stalin was never a member to the Communist Party or any part of the CWI.
Learn your history more

I can't debate this with you at his time due to lack of time & I've found that debating with anyone who does not fit into the 'sane' category is counter productive.

Let's just sweep under the carpet he was responsible for 2-3 million of own peoples deaths.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
I wish people like Southy would just go and live in the countries that actually practice what he desires!! So do us all a favour mate and do one !!!

There is none it ended in 1923, Even Government was run like a Co-op under Lenin in Russia.

It takes more than words, its actions and deeds what makes Socialism as it do with Capitalism

Yes, the Famine of 1921-1922 which I'm sure the Russian population remember with great fondness.

More so the members of the Orthodox Church who started to mysteriously vanish after somehow copping the blame for it all.
It wasn't because they held influence over the peasants that Lenin could never gain by legitimate means, of course not.

Lovely guy that Lenin.

And the 'Holodomor'. Genocide of your own people by starvation in Ukraine initiated by Stalin. Great guys all round.

That was a natural famine Russia went though a very long hot dry summer. and crops was lost, the same thing happened in many parts of Europe that year, even in North America they had a Famine the same year. and people staved to death
Members of the Orthodox Church went missing under Stalin not Lenin, Stalin was a strict Atheist.

Shoong Spring 1917 was the white revolution, one of the leading members was Stalin and the Capitalist Provinicalist gain control from the Military Imperial Government, Stalin was one of those ordered the arrest of Lenin on Entery to Russia, and when that failed he tired to derail the Autumn Red Revolution in 1917, by saying well telling Lenin and members to come to Russia and support the Capitalist Provinicalist Government which Stalin was part off, that failed to.
Stalin was never a member to the Communist Party or any part of the CWI.
Learn your history more

I can't debate this with you at his time due to lack of time & I've found that debating with anyone who does not fit into the 'sane' category is counter productive.

Let's just sweep under the carpet he was responsible for 2-3 million of own peoples deaths.

Who Stalin yes he was and maybe more. no one going to really know, you can't blame a natrual disaster on a person, its nature, it happens even people died in England though starvation that year because off food shortages.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

.. well said fmg2.

While I deeply regret the loss of jobs at Hovis and all the other firms mentioned, the one exception is BAT.

Tobacco companies are nothing but disgraceful drug pushers - they are full aware of their addictiveness and the great harm they do to users.

Their marketing is aimed at the young and gullible.

Southampton is well rid of them, just as Liverpool and Bristol are well rid of the slave trade.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

No wonder you're no longer in business Southy darling.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

No wonder you're no longer in business Southy darling.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

No wonder you're no longer in business Southy darling.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

No wonder you're no longer in business Southy darling.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Perhaps the staff could negotiate to buy the plant and run their own bakery supplying local outlets, hotels, pubs and maybe their through an on site shop. I can't see that the equipment is going to be worth much on the second hand market so they may be able to get it for a good price.

Are you advocating Socialism

No. I would hope they could make a profit.

Even under Socialism a profit can be made.
what a lot of people do not under stand or realise, is that Capitalism and Socialism are both Economics and Political system.
One of the main differences at the work place is Capitalism you have a managerment that will self award its own high wages, while its work force wages are kept low as they can.
Socialism you have a work force that sets terms and conditions on it self (a true Co-op system), there are no managerment so theres no self awarded high wages.

There speaks a man who has absolutely no understanding of company management. I can tell you that there is no PLC where "managers" or even executives can award their own salaries. The only time this can ever happen is in a sole proprietor or partnership. Unskilled manual jobs are low paid because anyone can do them. Skilled artisans and technicians are undervalued and underpaid in this country but that is the only sector - it is not the way Lonely describes it at all.

Any one can do a managerment job it is one off the lowest none skill jobs there is.

Oh dear!

Could you imagine Southy as a Manager and writing to a potential customer?

You don't you employ some one to do that for you they are call Secretarys.

Not very bright are you IronLady.

But its true any one can do a managerment job, its easier than cleaning the roads with a brush, only difference is a manager is over paid in wages.

You only have a secretary if you can afford one :-) A small business or one setting up can't always afford such luxuries.

You're assuming every business is rich from the start!

your forgetting I all ready been there, and it do happen even with small firms starting up.
And thats why co-ops work, and at a less running cost.

No wonder you're no longer in business Southy darling.

I retired early because i earned more than i need, Co-ops work a lot better there over heads are a lot less, If find every single job that can be done in the Board room managers can be done by front line workforce and they have a better idea how there places works, but the broad room managers can't do the front line workers jobs 1 because most do not know how to, 2 they don't like getting there hands dirty.
The evidence is out there, you just got to go looking there are a number of small firms that run like a Co-op and the recession don't bother them, because people come to them in times of hardship because they cost less, and there is even more shavings because they don't have share holders.

loosehead wrote:

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

.. well said fmg2.

While I deeply regret the loss of jobs at Hovis and all the other firms mentioned, the one exception is BAT.

Tobacco companies are nothing but disgraceful drug pushers - they are full aware of their addictiveness and the great harm they do to users.

Their marketing is aimed at the young and gullible.

Southampton is well rid of them, just as Liverpool and Bristol are well rid of the slave trade.

Okay Freefinker lets get rid of all industries that some one some where might disagree with & let the rest of the EU & the world welcome them with open arms.
Right lets see I know do away with all dairy & beef farms as Veggies wont agree with meat products & find it's trade disgusting.
Then lets get rid of the motor industry as that's an industry that peddles death.
how may people are killed in car related accidents.
then do away with all Military/naval weapons producers( bang goes Vospers)
then scrap all airplanes as they're polluters, do away with alcohol producers even though taken in moderation it's good for you
What jobs are going to be left?

southy wrote:
Its scares your kind having these sort of Co-ops (real Co-ops), because they don't need people in the managerment field.

Shoong wrote:

Stillness wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Huey wrote:
At least the job in Yeastleigh are safe

Dough! Stale news and no crumbs of comfort.

And to think that once they used to be the toast of the town.

Hopefully they won't loaf around & are able to get a new job with a slice of luck.

southy wrote:
The thing freefinker is that a true Co-op do not have managerment, all the work that a paid managerment do is done by the front line workforce on a day to day basics. check how Lenin set things up, they had a workers committee, he even ran government that way to. (love to see that here in this government)
you missed the point on boardroom managerment and share holders they are a burned cost that can be cut and not needed for a firm to be able to run and make a profit

southy wrote:
The thing freefinker is that a true Co-op do not have managerment, all the work that a paid managerment do is done by the front line workforce on a day to day basics. check how Lenin set things up, they had a workers committee, he even ran government that way to. (love to see that here in this government)
you missed the point on boardroom managerment and share holders they are a burned cost that can be cut and not needed for a firm to be able to run and make a profit

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

.. well said fmg2.

While I deeply regret the loss of jobs at Hovis and all the other firms mentioned, the one exception is BAT.

Tobacco companies are nothing but disgraceful drug pushers - they are full aware of their addictiveness and the great harm they do to users.

Their marketing is aimed at the young and gullible.

Southampton is well rid of them, just as Liverpool and Bristol are well rid of the slave trade.

Okay Freefinker lets get rid of all industries that some one some where might disagree with & let the rest of the EU & the world welcome them with open arms.
Right lets see I know do away with all dairy & beef farms as Veggies wont agree with meat products & find it's trade disgusting.
Then lets get rid of the motor industry as that's an industry that peddles death.
how may people are killed in car related accidents.
then do away with all Military/naval weapons producers( bang goes Vospers)
then scrap all airplanes as they're polluters, do away with alcohol producers even though taken in moderation it's good for you
What jobs are going to be left?

.. none of the other industries/trades you mention are pushers of highly addictive and health destroying drugs. Tobacco has NO OTHER USE except to satisfy an addiction, which can’t be said for the others you mention – even if some are unpleasant.
Heroin (in its unadulterated medical form) is a far less health-damaging drug than tobacco - yet I don't hear you advocating it's legalisation on the grounds that it provides jobs.
It’s about time you started to reassess the ‘trade’ you were formally employed in. They were, and still are, drug pushers. Get over it, stop defending them and move on.

southy wrote:
The thing freefinker is that a true Co-op do not have managerment, all the work that a paid managerment do is done by the front line workforce on a day to day basics. check how Lenin set things up, they had a workers committee, he even ran government that way to. (love to see that here in this government)
you missed the point on boardroom managerment and share holders they are a burned cost that can be cut and not needed for a firm to be able to run and make a profit

loosehead wrote:

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freefinker wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

.. well said fmg2.

While I deeply regret the loss of jobs at Hovis and all the other firms mentioned, the one exception is BAT.

Tobacco companies are nothing but disgraceful drug pushers - they are full aware of their addictiveness and the great harm they do to users.

Their marketing is aimed at the young and gullible.

Southampton is well rid of them, just as Liverpool and Bristol are well rid of the slave trade.

Okay Freefinker lets get rid of all industries that some one some where might disagree with & let the rest of the EU & the world welcome them with open arms.
Right lets see I know do away with all dairy & beef farms as Veggies wont agree with meat products & find it's trade disgusting.
Then lets get rid of the motor industry as that's an industry that peddles death.
how may people are killed in car related accidents.
then do away with all Military/naval weapons producers( bang goes Vospers)
then scrap all airplanes as they're polluters, do away with alcohol producers even though taken in moderation it's good for you
What jobs are going to be left?

.. none of the other industries/trades you mention are pushers of highly addictive and health destroying drugs. Tobacco has NO OTHER USE except to satisfy an addiction, which can’t be said for the others you mention – even if some are unpleasant.
Heroin (in its unadulterated medical form) is a far less health-damaging drug than tobacco - yet I don't hear you advocating it's legalisation on the grounds that it provides jobs.
It’s about time you started to reassess the ‘trade’ you were formally employed in. They were, and still are, drug pushers. Get over it, stop defending them and move on.

I think your not looking at the bigger picture & you really don't know the facts.
Take me I've never smoked never will & at one point in my life I wouldn't have worked at BAT. but 6months with no income no dole money ( they lost my papers) & my family looking at chucking me out on the street changed my mind to the fact any legal job is a job.
When they shut my factory & politicians were looking at legalising Cannabis there was research done & it was found that there were more elements that could bring about cancer than tobacco but in the end the gov didn't go the legalise way.
If the EU thinks fags/tobacco is bad for your health why not just ban it? make it illegal? People like you forget it is a legal product Heroin isn't.
These Governments make billions in tax through fags God knows how much from alcohol.
the British Government make just on Tobacco related industries £75billion a year £35billion goes to the health service & then they come out to ban it because it costs them £6million to treat illnesses that can't be directly linked to fags but they believe it's them that cause it they use the same argument against alcohol but the cost in their eyes is small compared to the revenue they get from the tax on these two products.
Maybe it's the tax that stops these countries from banning fags or the huge loss of jobs? Something Blair didn't give a **** about.
BAT was/are researching a non nicotine fag but these when developed(done) will be made in countries like Poland so this country /city has lost well paid jobs &Poland has gained them

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loonaloop wrote:
More losses to join.
Vospers, Pirrelli, AC Delco, B&A Tobbaco, Bacardi Martini, Vestas, Most of Ford`s.
If anyone can add to the list please feel free, all our younger generation have to employ them is McD`s KFC and Co.
Oh no I forgot those Jobs go to our foreign friends.

I think you mean BAT.
If Blair had backed them & fought to allow them to carry on exporting outside the EU high tar fags that those countries wanted we wouldn't have lost 1,000 jobs to Poland

No we lost the jobs to Poland because they are cheaper, BAT said that at the time.....plus the land that it was on was worth quite a bit... having known quite few people who worked there, including my neighbour at the time.

Also, I and many others had a problem with high tar fags and giving people cancer.. not something Britain could be proud of. The loss of jobs hopefully will be redressed with Costco's on the site...

Freemantle girl Once again your telling me who worked there was on the employees council why it shut?
I can tell you that BAT asked as we were only an export factory if Blair could fight to get us excluded on the tar content law the same thing the German Government were doing.
he said he couldn't export a product to the rest of the world that was illegal in the EU so please don't tell me how to suck eggs & get your facts right

.. well said fmg2.

While I deeply regret the loss of jobs at Hovis and all the other firms mentioned, the one exception is BAT.

Tobacco companies are nothing but disgraceful drug pushers - they are full aware of their addictiveness and the great harm they do to users.

Their marketing is aimed at the young and gullible.

Southampton is well rid of them, just as Liverpool and Bristol are well rid of the slave trade.

Okay Freefinker lets get rid of all industries that some one some where might disagree with & let the rest of the EU & the world welcome them with open arms.
Right lets see I know do away with all dairy & beef farms as Veggies wont agree with meat products & find it's trade disgusting.
Then lets get rid of the motor industry as that's an industry that peddles death.
how may people are killed in car related accidents.
then do away with all Military/naval weapons producers( bang goes Vospers)
then scrap all airplanes as they're polluters, do away with alcohol producers even though taken in moderation it's good for you
What jobs are going to be left?

.. none of the other industries/trades you mention are pushers of highly addictive and health destroying drugs. Tobacco has NO OTHER USE except to satisfy an addiction, which can’t be said for the others you mention – even if some are unpleasant.
Heroin (in its unadulterated medical form) is a far less health-damaging drug than tobacco - yet I don't hear you advocating it's legalisation on the grounds that it provides jobs.
It’s about time you started to reassess the ‘trade’ you were formally employed in. They were, and still are, drug pushers. Get over it, stop defending them and move on.

I think your not looking at the bigger picture & you really don't know the facts.
Take me I've never smoked never will & at one point in my life I wouldn't have worked at BAT. but 6months with no income no dole money ( they lost my papers) & my family looking at chucking me out on the street changed my mind to the fact any legal job is a job.
When they shut my factory & politicians were looking at legalising Cannabis there was research done & it was found that there were more elements that could bring about cancer than tobacco but in the end the gov didn't go the legalise way.
If the EU thinks fags/tobacco is bad for your health why not just ban it? make it illegal? People like you forget it is a legal product Heroin isn't.
These Governments make billions in tax through fags God knows how much from alcohol.
the British Government make just on Tobacco related industries £75billion a year £35billion goes to the health service & then they come out to ban it because it costs them £6million to treat illnesses that can't be directly linked to fags but they believe it's them that cause it they use the same argument against alcohol but the cost in their eyes is small compared to the revenue they get from the tax on these two products.
Maybe it's the tax that stops these countries from banning fags or the huge loss of jobs? Something Blair didn't give a **** about.
BAT was/are researching a non nicotine fag but these when developed(done) will be made in countries like Poland so this country /city has lost well paid jobs &Poland has gained them

.. excuses, excuses.
They are drug pushers, plain and simple.