Unions stage cuts protest at council budget meeting (From Daily Echo)

If they think it's bad now then they're in for a rude awakening if they win their court cases no matter who's in power,
Who voted the unions into the council? didn't we vote in the Tory party?
Maybe these people should get one of their colleagues to slip them a list of non payers of council tax & they should go & picket outside their homes .
If all these people paid the council no matter which party would have more money to use.
If council tax goes up there will be more non payers so come on Unions/Labour/Libera
l party tell the truth it's not this council that's at fault it's all those that don't pay their way & think they're better & different than the rest of us that are at fault.
If you know of a non payer why not say something to them?

loosehead wrote:
If they think it's bad now then they're in for a rude awakening if they win their court cases no matter who's in power,
Who voted the unions into the council? didn't we vote in the Tory party?
Maybe these people should get one of their colleagues to slip them a list of non payers of council tax & they should go & picket outside their homes .
If all these people paid the council no matter which party would have more money to use.
If council tax goes up there will be more non payers so come on Unions/Labour/Libera

l party tell the truth it's not this council that's at fault it's all those that don't pay their way & think they're better & different than the rest of us that are at fault.
If you know of a non payer why not say something to them?

Loosehead, as you know unions have agreements with 'employers' - in this case the Council. Again, you would not be working a 'normal' week or get pensions or a decent living wage if it wasn't for trade unions whether you're a 'member' or not.

Non-payment of CT is a very severe offence I agree, but the point is that many who have lost jobs or have had pay cuts are now falling into debt and 'unable' to pay their way, then have to claim benefits (you can still receive some benefits whilst on a very low wage). The rises in the cost of living, fuel, etc is plunging many families who previously were managing perfectly ok into this crisis. the ConDems are tryng to change the welfare state because they are well aware that many more people will be claiming benefits/help - and creating this 'picture' of scrounging Britain. Trouble is that many people are now finding themselves in times of crisis and this will come back to bite the ConDems firmly on the backside.

Even the Tories on this Council have admitted that their friends up in Westminster are not giving them enough money to run services properly, and Westminster advise against raising Council Tax for political policy purposes, and local authorities have got to pick up these pieces. I have a certain amount of empathy for councillors because they have been placed in this position, however, alienating the workforce, and eroding vital services (remember wheels on meals was being cut until a great old guy got the Echo and the MPs onto their case) so much that people can't 'live' and that the vulnerable suffer - that is not 'right' and never will be.

SCC should look at other councils (Brighton for example) who ARE raising the council tax, the grant from Government to cover the difference comes with strings attached and will mean a larger increase than would otherwise be necessary in 2012/13. Its a bribe, an obvious one and more fool the Southampton public if they think the saving of about £40 this year per household will not be passed on with interest and inflation next year.

peenut81 wrote:
SCC should look at other councils (Brighton for example) who ARE raising the council tax, the grant from Government to cover the difference comes with strings attached and will mean a larger increase than would otherwise be necessary in 2012/13. Its a bribe, an obvious one and more fool the Southampton public if they think the saving of about £40 this year per household will not be passed on with interest and inflation next year.

Brighton Green party council is also making cuts.
I pitty the residents of Southampton (and not just Southampton but the whole of UK) they got bills coming like they never seen before if this Tory council is allowed to carry on making cuts, they are going to be paying more for less services in the future.
Things like colletting rubbish from the household, will be privatise done in two stages, first it will be contracted to a firm adding a small cost on the cost of colletting rubbish, then it will be totally privatise putting big cost on colletting rubbish people will end up paying between £18 to £24 per mth to have the rubbish colletted, as a separated bill to each house hold. And this is just one of the services.
This what will happen to the whole of the UK if we keep putting Right wing aka Capitalist political partys into power and that includes Labour they are just as right wing as the Torys.

cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
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People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

The austerity measures put in place by the coalition are having little or no affect on the economy, however redundancies are having a negative affect on the economy, yesterday's warning/threat that the UK could lose its triple A rating seems to be ignored by Government.

The freeze on council tax today means SCC will get a bigger discount next year, however it doesn't mean next years councils tax will not increase to pay for it.

With the election in May this ensure the rich granny vote for Roy and his band of merry men/women.

If you trust Eric Pickles to keep his word, then more fool you, he will stab you in the stomach and smile whilst doing it.

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
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People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Some people had it good? Maybe but not all, sensible people would have put aside money, only if they had it to put, and there is no incentive in savings these days. Sensible people do live within their means, others succumb to peer pressure. I have worked for 48 years, and do dream about having the things you mentioned, but they are out of my reach. I am grateful to my Union for maintaining my employment with reasonable conditions despite many attempts to degrade them, I fear that in the future big changes will mean the people that follow in my footsteps will not be so fortunate. I am by no means poor, equally by no means wealthy, that's not a complaint it's a matter of fact.

I do not own a ps3, 60 inch plasma or have sky nor a blackberry, That because I prefer to spend my money on clothes for my children, utilities and food. But plenty of my tax is used to buy these products. Me for one cannot afford an increase in council tax or any other tax. There is still so much wastage in the public sector.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
If they think it's bad now then they're in for a rude awakening if they win their court cases no matter who's in power,
Who voted the unions into the council? didn't we vote in the Tory party?
Maybe these people should get one of their colleagues to slip them a list of non payers of council tax & they should go & picket outside their homes .
If all these people paid the council no matter which party would have more money to use.
If council tax goes up there will be more non payers so come on Unions/Labour/Libera


l party tell the truth it's not this council that's at fault it's all those that don't pay their way & think they're better & different than the rest of us that are at fault.
If you know of a non payer why not say something to them?

Loosehead, as you know unions have agreements with 'employers' - in this case the Council. Again, you would not be working a 'normal' week or get pensions or a decent living wage if it wasn't for trade unions whether you're a 'member' or not.

Non-payment of CT is a very severe offence I agree, but the point is that many who have lost jobs or have had pay cuts are now falling into debt and 'unable' to pay their way, then have to claim benefits (you can still receive some benefits whilst on a very low wage). The rises in the cost of living, fuel, etc is plunging many families who previously were managing perfectly ok into this crisis. the ConDems are tryng to change the welfare state because they are well aware that many more people will be claiming benefits/help - and creating this 'picture' of scrounging Britain. Trouble is that many people are now finding themselves in times of crisis and this will come back to bite the ConDems firmly on the backside.

Even the Tories on this Council have admitted that their friends up in Westminster are not giving them enough money to run services properly, and Westminster advise against raising Council Tax for political policy purposes, and local authorities have got to pick up these pieces. I have a certain amount of empathy for councillors because they have been placed in this position, however, alienating the workforce, and eroding vital services (remember wheels on meals was being cut until a great old guy got the Echo and the MPs onto their case) so much that people can't 'live' and that the vulnerable suffer - that is not 'right' and never will be.

I could agree with you if every non payer was in those categories you know as well as I do there are people who just don't want to pay.
As for those on social they can get help to pay this & their payments from the Social includes this so there's absolutely no reason for non payment.
As for other posts on here saying raise council tax are they for real?
look at the percentage of non payers at the present rate & then work out what that would rise to if the tax was increased & then work out how much extra it would have to go up to compensate the expected non payers?
under the last Labour council we had a whopping 18% rise & one of the reasons given was the non payers & expected rise in non payers so the council had to take this into consideration when they set the rise.
What it means people if you obey the law you will have to subsidise those who don't.
Surely freemantle girl getting all these people to pay work out if cuts are needed & if not I'm sure any party would be happy not to make them.
if any money there then next time lower it to make it easier for these people to make the payments.
Just remember this is not just about wage cuts it's about pay freezes so will you be happy to pay more to give them ( some on £40,000+) a 4% pay rise each year? I for one wouldn't be happy for that to happen.
Labour talks about improved working practices. in my working life this means job cuts so why don't they just say it & say how many?

Tories have pledged to protect libraries

Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton?

Attempting to save something from yourself?

Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

There are many more back office staff at supervisor/managemen
t level that could be done away with and no one would notice any difference in the level of service provided to the public.
I agree there are still many examples of wastage in the public sector.
For example please explain why I saw a SCC van being driven outside the City boundary at the weekend going down towards the M27 at junction 8?
I can also recall many occasions vehicles seen parked up for a long period of time with staff in them?
More monitoring of Council staff who use vehicles for their job would certainly start to save some Council Tax payers money.

So much for saving for the Future! I am trying to save for my funeral with an ISA. The Banks are only paying 0.5% interest on any money saved. The cost of living is rising more than this, after paying tax on any interest earned, I am showing no profit in my savings. Why do I bother.

Rockhopper wrote:
There are many more back office staff at supervisor/managemen

t level that could be done away with and no one would notice any difference in the level of service provided to the public.
I agree there are still many examples of wastage in the public sector.
For example please explain why I saw a SCC van being driven outside the City boundary at the weekend going down towards the M27 at junction 8?
I can also recall many occasions vehicles seen parked up for a long period of time with staff in them?
More monitoring of Council staff who use vehicles for their job would certainly start to save some Council Tax payers money.

Rockhopper. The name brought tears of joy to both mine and other share-holders eyes in April/May 2010. I hope you chose the name after enjoying a similar windfall.

orderoutofchaos wrote:
Tories have pledged to protect libraries

Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton?

Attempting to save something from yourself?

Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Sorry what they wanted to do was replace the staff with volunteers that's not the same as shutting them is it?
The unions & the Labour party are asking pensioners to take a double whammy.
1/do away with the discount true many won't be effected
2/ An increase in council tax
why? they are going to cut jobs even if they use other words it's still a job cut ( bit like Brown saying it wasn't a change of the EU constitution ).
Yet they will restore the wages & have job cuts so what will the extra revenue be for? as I've said before it's for the 4% yearly pay rises.
So come on people/pensioners your getting no increase in your take home pay yet your being made to pay for public sector pay rises is that fair?
The Unions have talked their members into going to court if by some travesty of justice they win watch your council tax go up by 15-18% to cover the £12million expected costs to the council.
but hey ho those who've just lost there jobs have won or have they?

orderoutofchaos wrote:
Tories have pledged to protect libraries

Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton?

Attempting to save something from yourself?

Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Not tempted did close down Libraries and also closed down sure start centers, he just means there will be no need to close any more down yet, not till after the may elections

What this really means is that people will lose there jobs, resulting in less money being spent in the local economy, resulting in the private sector having to cut back in jobs, resulting from both having to claim Housing Benefits and a reduction in Tax Council Tax, so less money being put in and more going out, so we get less money back from the government next year, and all of this will effect the national economy with to many councils making cut backs across the uk this slump in the economy is going to get deeper.

The only way to avoid a slump is to sit it out and keep the jobs there, and don't make any cut backs at all.

orderoutofchaos wrote:
Tories have pledged to protect libraries

Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton?

Attempting to save something from yourself?

Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

They won't staff them.

They will insist that volunteers man them, if they don't get enough volunteers to run them, libraries will simple close, the council will say.

The people didn't want them because they didn't volunteer to run them.

Easy, cheapest option and not blame attached,,,typical Royston,,,blame someone else.

southy wrote:

orderoutofchaos wrote: Tories have pledged to protect libraries Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton? Attempting to save something from yourself? Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Not tempted did close down Libraries and also closed down sure start centers, he just means there will be no need to close any more down yet, not till after the may elections

Southy, I am not sure why you bother being so blatantly economical with the truth. Perhaps you care to name all these Southampton libraries that have closed. As far as I know the Millbrook library was closed and one in Redbridge opened to accomodate Millbrook and Redbridge lenders.

No road sweeping no bin men just what is going on!!1

Fieldbean wrote:

southy wrote:

orderoutofchaos wrote: Tories have pledged to protect libraries Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton? Attempting to save something from yourself? Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Not tempted did close down Libraries and also closed down sure start centers, he just means there will be no need to close any more down yet, not till after the may elections

Southy, I am not sure why you bother being so blatantly economical with the truth. Perhaps you care to name all these Southampton libraries that have closed. As far as I know the Millbrook library was closed and one in Redbridge opened to accomodate Millbrook and Redbridge lenders.

Hum where the one in Redbridge.
They closed the one in Redbridge that use to be in cumbrain way Millbrook housing estate.
what they done was put a small mobile library to cover an area of millbrook, lordshill, redbridge, coxford, shirley warren, aldermore and childswood theres is only Shirley and lordswood library left open now. all others have been closed down over last 4 years, the last one that closed (Cumbrain Way) atracted to much attention for the council liking and why they ended up having to put a mobile unit up for use.

I'm going to collect all these Daily Echo images and put them into a book and invite people to 'find the sheep' The correct answer takes up one line on the last page. It's All of them. I may even call it 'Where's Southy'

I think we're going to have to face the fact that Local Government in it's current state is unaffordable. A lot of the services have been run by people on very high wages and in many cases were over-staffed.

pwer to the people! wheres wolfie smith when you need him!

Fieldbean wrote:

southy wrote:

orderoutofchaos wrote: Tories have pledged to protect libraries Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton? Attempting to save something from yourself? Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Not tempted did close down Libraries and also closed down sure start centers, he just means there will be no need to close any more down yet, not till after the may elections

Southy, I am not sure why you bother being so blatantly economical with the truth. Perhaps you care to name all these Southampton libraries that have closed. As far as I know the Millbrook library was closed and one in Redbridge opened to accomodate Millbrook and Redbridge lenders.

The Millbrook Library was closed and replaced by a volunteer library service at the MP3 community building, that building is on the verge of closure because the charitable organisation who the council leased it to cannot afford to keep it open.

The library will not return elsewhere when it closes.

Thornhill library has been closed for over a year, there are plans to bring it back, on the same terms and conditions at the service in MP3.

If there are no volunteers to run libraries this council will closed and blame residents for not volunteering to run them.

cowley wrote:
pwer to the people! wheres wolfie smith when you need him!

Probably at the Ship Inn.

Condor Man wrote:
I think we're going to have to face the fact that Local Government in it's current state is unaffordable. A lot of the services have been run by people on very high wages and in many cases were over-staffed.

Run,yes,but not delivered. The workers on the ground are paid modestly. Those at the top are handsomely rewarded and the areas of Local Government that are a burden are never seen by the public. Number crunchers,policy officers and the like.

southy wrote:

Fieldbean wrote:

southy wrote:

orderoutofchaos wrote: Tories have pledged to protect libraries Um... is this the same Tory Council that attempted to CLOSE libraries in Southampton? Attempting to save something from yourself? Lets hope the people of Southampton dont have such short memories...

Not tempted did close down Libraries and also closed down sure start centers, he just means there will be no need to close any more down yet, not till after the may elections

Southy, I am not sure why you bother being so blatantly economical with the truth. Perhaps you care to name all these Southampton libraries that have closed. As far as I know the Millbrook library was closed and one in Redbridge opened to accomodate Millbrook and Redbridge lenders.

Hum where the one in Redbridge.
They closed the one in Redbridge that use to be in cumbrain way Millbrook housing estate.
what they done was put a small mobile library to cover an area of millbrook, lordshill, redbridge, coxford, shirley warren, aldermore and childswood theres is only Shirley and lordswood library left open now. all others have been closed down over last 4 years, the last one that closed (Cumbrain Way) atracted to much attention for the council liking and why they ended up having to put a mobile unit up for use.

The University gives a full list of Public Librarys in Southampton for its students to be able to use locally, none show up for Redbridge or Millbrook, only ones listed are Lordhills Library in Lordswood, and Shirley Library.

Condor Man wrote:
I think we're going to have to face the fact that Local Government in it's current state is unaffordable. A lot of the services have been run by people on very high wages and in many cases were over-staffed.

Local Government gets 80% of its money from Central Government. Every autumn the Government tells Councils how much they are going to get for the new financial year and that then ends up in the local budget carving up the ever decreasing pot, simply so the bankers can be bailed out by the taxpayer.
The services,public and employees then suffer the consequences.

southy wrote:

peenut81 wrote:
SCC should look at other councils (Brighton for example) who ARE raising the council tax, the grant from Government to cover the difference comes with strings attached and will mean a larger increase than would otherwise be necessary in 2012/13. Its a bribe, an obvious one and more fool the Southampton public if they think the saving of about £40 this year per household will not be passed on with interest and inflation next year.

Brighton Green party council is also making cuts.
I pitty the residents of Southampton (and not just Southampton but the whole of UK) they got bills coming like they never seen before if this Tory council is allowed to carry on making cuts, they are going to be paying more for less services in the future.
Things like colletting rubbish from the household, will be privatise done in two stages, first it will be contracted to a firm adding a small cost on the cost of colletting rubbish, then it will be totally privatise putting big cost on colletting rubbish people will end up paying between £18 to £24 per mth to have the rubbish colletted, as a separated bill to each house hold. And this is just one of the services.
This what will happen to the whole of the UK if we keep putting Right wing aka Capitalist political partys into power and that includes Labour they are just as right wing as the Torys.

Yawn southy. How many times have people pointed out to you those figures are for a single household, not the entire council? As normal just spewing up the same old cr@p with no back up at all.

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

peenut81 wrote:
SCC should look at other councils (Brighton for example) who ARE raising the council tax, the grant from Government to cover the difference comes with strings attached and will mean a larger increase than would otherwise be necessary in 2012/13. Its a bribe, an obvious one and more fool the Southampton public if they think the saving of about £40 this year per household will not be passed on with interest and inflation next year.

Brighton Green party council is also making cuts.
I pitty the residents of Southampton (and not just Southampton but the whole of UK) they got bills coming like they never seen before if this Tory council is allowed to carry on making cuts, they are going to be paying more for less services in the future.
Things like colletting rubbish from the household, will be privatise done in two stages, first it will be contracted to a firm adding a small cost on the cost of colletting rubbish, then it will be totally privatise putting big cost on colletting rubbish people will end up paying between £18 to £24 per mth to have the rubbish colletted, as a separated bill to each house hold. And this is just one of the services.
This what will happen to the whole of the UK if we keep putting Right wing aka Capitalist political partys into power and that includes Labour they are just as right wing as the Torys.

Yawn southy. How many times have people pointed out to you those figures are for a single household, not the entire council? As normal just spewing up the same old cr@p with no back up at all.

what figures the one i gave would be the cost a one house hold for colletting rubbish.
you can cross refenece what happens in the USA, and more or less been confirmed during the bin strikes on how much it cost the council to have contractors in to cover the bin strikes.

try reading what i said and if your not sure what i mean then ask.

so the council claim they will make
three-quarters of their savings from inefficiencies. please call into the Shirley depot.
and let them know, because they are throwing money away like there is no tomorrow. as the yard will be closing in two years.
expenses 2010/11
repair and maintenance £15.73m
Supervision and management £16.97m
bring in a fresh management structure. then you will have a saving

I thought they only put libraries where people can read!

Why are the unions in this city such a joke with no understanding of the real world, it's like they live in a bubble!!

I fully support keeping tax at current rate (should be lowered)

Big Borlotto wrote:
so the council claim they will make
three-quarters of their savings from inefficiencies. please call into the Shirley depot.
and let them know, because they are throwing money away like there is no tomorrow. as the yard will be closing in two years.
expenses 2010/11
repair and maintenance £15.73m
Supervision and management £16.97m
bring in a fresh management structure. then you will have a saving

Pity I remember going in there to see the Horses.
but with that shutting & the Police station closing I wonder if Lindens or Orchard will be put off building more ugly flats on those two sites ?
£10,000 will be chicken feed to the money they could make wouldn't it?

joenice1 wrote:
Why are the unions in this city such a joke with no understanding of the real world, it's like they live in a bubble!!

I fully support keeping tax at current rate (should be lowered)

Joenice they don't seem to remember the cities past very well do they.
every time they raise the tax the amount of non payers goes up.
lower the tax & then maybe more people can afford to pay it so overall the revenue goes up.
The unions & Labour party/supporters can't see that it's like they never learnt anything from their time in office under June Bridle

loosehead wrote:

joenice1 wrote:
Why are the unions in this city such a joke with no understanding of the real world, it's like they live in a bubble!!

I fully support keeping tax at current rate (should be lowered)

Joenice they don't seem to remember the cities past very well do they.
every time they raise the tax the amount of non payers goes up.
lower the tax & then maybe more people can afford to pay it so overall the revenue goes up.
The unions & Labour party/supporters can't see that it's like they never learnt anything from their time in office under June Bridle

The country didn't seem to learn nothing under Thatcher,,,,however we will be remembering very soon what it was like.

Over the Edge wrote:

loosehead wrote:

joenice1 wrote:
Why are the unions in this city such a joke with no understanding of the real world, it's like they live in a bubble!!

I fully support keeping tax at current rate (should be lowered)

Joenice they don't seem to remember the cities past very well do they.
every time they raise the tax the amount of non payers goes up.
lower the tax & then maybe more people can afford to pay it so overall the revenue goes up.
The unions & Labour party/supporters can't see that it's like they never learnt anything from their time in office under June Bridle

The country didn't seem to learn nothing under Thatcher,,,,however we will be remembering very soon what it was like.

no we didn't learn all the pain we went through to stop the unions ruining our country or the fact that Labour had made a mess of the countries finances & gone to the IMF to bail them out.
we also forgot we voted Maggie to do a job & sort it,when she did we turned on her & then like sheep to the slaughter we voted Labour back in.
after June Bridles calamitous Labour council if the people of this city vote Labour back into power no we won't have learnt a thing.
Williams came on the BBC & said his policies the unions were upset so were some of his party WHAM! change of policy & surprise he never said what was in print how can you trust him or his party?

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
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People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Have you tried looking for a job in the current market?

Have you seen how many people are unemployed?

Whilst I agree there are plenty of chavs out there lapping up the benefits so they can play xbox all day but the vast majority of people do want to work and want to provide for their families. But how can you provide for your families if the rug is being pulled out from beneath you? Services being cut (mainly to poor and vulnerable), All fuel bills are rising, there is less money to support much needed projects. Sadly its impossible to save in the current climate unless you are on an above average wage. Some of those who were on such wages i.e. public services are now all receiving or have received pay cuts, so how can they save for the rainy days now?

Rockhopper wrote:
There are many more back office staff at supervisor/managemen

t level that could be done away with and no one would notice any difference in the level of service provided to the public.
I agree there are still many examples of wastage in the public sector.
For example please explain why I saw a SCC van being driven outside the City boundary at the weekend going down towards the M27 at junction 8?
I can also recall many occasions vehicles seen parked up for a long period of time with staff in them?
More monitoring of Council staff who use vehicles for their job would certainly start to save some Council Tax payers money.

Outside the city boundary you say?

THATS NOTHING...

SCC actively encourage their staff to take work vehicles home as they do not have facilities to keep them on any of their sites. This means some staff get access to a vehicle with FREE FUEL (at the cost of me and you) to drive to and from work, and here's the kicker......
SOme staff take vehicles home as far north as PAST WINCHESTER and at least one member of staff takes a vehicle out towards RINGWOOD!

Real smart waste of taxpayers money... Oh wait it gets better, little do SCC know that IF a worker was involved in an accident and someone was to be killed despite it being on journey to or from work SCC would still be liable for corporate manslaughter - then even more money wasted and lost in court cases and compensation! So far they have been lucky.....

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
.
People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Have you tried looking for a job in the current market?

Have you seen how many people are unemployed?

Whilst I agree there are plenty of chavs out there lapping up the benefits so they can play xbox all day but the vast majority of people do want to work and want to provide for their families. But how can you provide for your families if the rug is being pulled out from beneath you? Services being cut (mainly to poor and vulnerable), All fuel bills are rising, there is less money to support much needed projects. Sadly its impossible to save in the current climate unless you are on an above average wage. Some of those who were on such wages i.e. public services are now all receiving or have received pay cuts, so how can they save for the rainy days now?

Please explain to me how 3million+ Eastern Europeans have found work here if there is none?

loosehead wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
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People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Have you tried looking for a job in the current market?

Have you seen how many people are unemployed?

Whilst I agree there are plenty of chavs out there lapping up the benefits so they can play xbox all day but the vast majority of people do want to work and want to provide for their families. But how can you provide for your families if the rug is being pulled out from beneath you? Services being cut (mainly to poor and vulnerable), All fuel bills are rising, there is less money to support much needed projects. Sadly its impossible to save in the current climate unless you are on an above average wage. Some of those who were on such wages i.e. public services are now all receiving or have received pay cuts, so how can they save for the rainy days now?

Please explain to me how 3million+ Eastern Europeans have found work here if there is none?

They have taken low pay (£2 per hour in some cases) and labour intensive work such as car washing, cleaning, building works etc.

But before you get started, the part in question is, how people are supposed to save in modern day britain - the europeans in these low paid jobs are unable to save efficently because the pay is low. What I was talking about is those who are in skilled jobs/professional jobs, who due to some shock decisions in government and greedy oil barons are now unable to save for the rainy days!

Work can be found - quality of work not so easy.

And now he's an almighty kicker for you alot of friends and colleagues are getting turned away from jobs because they are 'OVER QUALIFIED' not that they care they need to pay bills! its absolutely ludicrous!

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

loosehead wrote:

joenice1 wrote:
Why are the unions in this city such a joke with no understanding of the real world, it's like they live in a bubble!!

I fully support keeping tax at current rate (should be lowered)

Joenice they don't seem to remember the cities past very well do they.
every time they raise the tax the amount of non payers goes up.
lower the tax & then maybe more people can afford to pay it so overall the revenue goes up.
The unions & Labour party/supporters can't see that it's like they never learnt anything from their time in office under June Bridle

The country didn't seem to learn nothing under Thatcher,,,,however we will be remembering very soon what it was like.

no we didn't learn all the pain we went through to stop the unions ruining our country or the fact that Labour had made a mess of the countries finances & gone to the IMF to bail them out.
we also forgot we voted Maggie to do a job & sort it,when she did we turned on her & then like sheep to the slaughter we voted Labour back in.
after June Bridles calamitous Labour council if the people of this city vote Labour back into power no we won't have learnt a thing.
Williams came on the BBC & said his policies the unions were upset so were some of his party WHAM! change of policy & surprise he never said what was in print how can you trust him or his party?

And you appear to have forgotten the Maestricht fiasco. That can hardly be claimed to have been a financial success can it.

Despite asking you many times, you never say what the country has got to show for selling off British Aerospace, Cable&Wireless, North SeaOil, BT, British Gas, British Airways, British Steel and Water Utilities.

They were sold off between 1981 and 1989.

Could it be that it was all lost on Black Wednesday - 16-9-1992?

In 1995 British Coal was sold off and British Rail the year after.

All of that happened during a Tory administration.

WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO SHOW FOR IT NOW?

loosehead wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
.
People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Have you tried looking for a job in the current market?

Have you seen how many people are unemployed?

Whilst I agree there are plenty of chavs out there lapping up the benefits so they can play xbox all day but the vast majority of people do want to work and want to provide for their families. But how can you provide for your families if the rug is being pulled out from beneath you? Services being cut (mainly to poor and vulnerable), All fuel bills are rising, there is less money to support much needed projects. Sadly its impossible to save in the current climate unless you are on an above average wage. Some of those who were on such wages i.e. public services are now all receiving or have received pay cuts, so how can they save for the rainy days now?

Please explain to me how 3million+ Eastern Europeans have found work here if there is none?

Because Ted Heath, your beloved Tory Leader, signed us up to the Common Market, Without the benefit of a referendum, which permitted free movement of labour.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

The Salv wrote:
cure start centres? I am *sure* that is incorrect.
.
People need to realise they have had it good for a long time. Now sensible people would have put aside some money for the rainy days which were always on the cards under New Labour spending. All this bs about a decent living etc if you lived within your means you would have a decent living wage. Stop your crying, your whining and throwing your toys out the pram and grow up. If you want to earn more money then there are ways about it, not sitting on your bums in a safe comfortable job throwing hissy fits that you cant afford a brand new car a PS3 and a 60 inch plasma television to watch your HD Sky sports and movie package on!

Have you tried looking for a job in the current market?

Have you seen how many people are unemployed?

Whilst I agree there are plenty of chavs out there lapping up the benefits so they can play xbox all day but the vast majority of people do want to work and want to provide for their families. But how can you provide for your families if the rug is being pulled out from beneath you? Services being cut (mainly to poor and vulnerable), All fuel bills are rising, there is less money to support much needed projects. Sadly its impossible to save in the current climate unless you are on an above average wage. Some of those who were on such wages i.e. public services are now all receiving or have received pay cuts, so how can they save for the rainy days now?

Please explain to me how 3million+ Eastern Europeans have found work here if there is none?

Because Ted Heath, your beloved Tory Leader, signed us up to the Common Market, Without the benefit of a referendum, which permitted free movement of labour.

Sorry Ted Heath is a man I look upon as a traitor to this country.
Also we did have a referendum in which we could have been pulled out of the EEC but the public were lied to & suckered into staying in.
I voted along side Tony Benn against the EEC & I just wonder how many more would have done if they knew it would end up being the EU.
Please get your facts right as well! The EU countries,Germany France etc stopped immigration into their countries by Eastern Europeans for at least two years after they joined Europe Brown didn't & said he only expected 300,000 to come here what he got was a hell of a lot more .
So once again it was a mistake by Labour that let them in.
Even before they came there was heading towards 2million unemployed & employers were crying out for people to start work so what did Labour do to get them into work?
These immigrants who I have nothing against came here did any work & now are unemployed say it's because of them there's no work?
would the British worker have done the work? what should/could be done to make them do the work?
These are what Labour should be looking at not the figures as they do not tell the true picture

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

peenut81 wrote:
SCC should look at other councils (Brighton for example) who ARE raising the council tax, the grant from Government to cover the difference comes with strings attached and will mean a larger increase than would otherwise be necessary in 2012/13. Its a bribe, an obvious one and more fool the Southampton public if they think the saving of about £40 this year per household will not be passed on with interest and inflation next year.

Brighton Green party council is also making cuts.
I pitty the residents of Southampton (and not just Southampton but the whole of UK) they got bills coming like they never seen before if this Tory council is allowed to carry on making cuts, they are going to be paying more for less services in the future.
Things like colletting rubbish from the household, will be privatise done in two stages, first it will be contracted to a firm adding a small cost on the cost of colletting rubbish, then it will be totally privatise putting big cost on colletting rubbish people will end up paying between £18 to £24 per mth to have the rubbish colletted, as a separated bill to each house hold. And this is just one of the services.
This what will happen to the whole of the UK if we keep putting Right wing aka Capitalist political partys into power and that includes Labour they are just as right wing as the Torys.

Yawn southy. How many times have people pointed out to you those figures are for a single household, not the entire council? As normal just spewing up the same old cr@p with no back up at all.

what figures the one i gave would be the cost a one house hold for colletting rubbish.
you can cross refenece what happens in the USA, and more or less been confirmed during the bin strikes on how much it cost the council to have contractors in to cover the bin strikes.

try reading what i said and if your not sure what i mean then ask.

I'll have to ask as the above makes no sense at all. Can you re-write it please, this time in English and not just some words thrown together.