Protests fail to stop cuts and job losses (From Daily Echo)

Great at least I know what i will have to pay out next year.
Maybe they should be asking for volunteers to maintain the cities parks as there must be loads of flat/apartment dwellers who would like to do some gardening?

Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

The Tories claimed there would be no service cuts to young people, that's because there is nothing let to cut, youth service provision is almost non-existent on the housing estates in Southampton.

No cold calling zones will be set up, who will enforce these zones?

We may not have to pay extra council tax this year, however next year but will see a rise in council tax beyond our worst nightmares.

Over the Edge wrote:
The Tories claimed there would be no service cuts to young people, that's because there is nothing let to cut, youth service provision is almost non-existent on the housing estates in Southampton.

No cold calling zones will be set up, who will enforce these zones?

We may not have to pay extra council tax this year, however next year but will see a rise in council tax beyond our worst nightmares.

If Labour win then, yeah, your probably right.

Over the Edge wrote:
The Tories claimed there would be no service cuts to young people, that's because there is nothing let to cut, youth service provision is almost non-existent on the housing estates in Southampton.

No cold calling zones will be set up, who will enforce these zones?

We may not have to pay extra council tax this year, however next year but will see a rise in council tax beyond our worst nightmares.

"however next year but will see a rise in council tax beyond our worst nightmares."

Only if we were unlucky enough to end up with a Labour council!!

Really, I would have thought the Unions actions would have made the Council crumble into giving them all pay rises of 50%. Wow so shocked!

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?, the austerity measures introduced under the Tories (cuts to public services and jobs) are not working.

It is clearly a double attack by Government both centrally and locally on workers/unions in the name of austerity.

This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy, they have given the banks billions (through quantative easing) to loan to small business's which the banks are keeping and not lending.

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to kick the economy.

They have got it wrong locally and nationally and it will be the Joe Bloggs man in the street who will end up paying for their financial mis-management

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Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?, the austerity measures introduced under the Tories (cuts to public services and jobs) are not working.

It is clearly a double attack by Government both centrally and locally on workers/unions in the name of austerity.

This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy, they have given the banks billions (through quantative easing) to loan to small business's which the banks are keeping and not lending.

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to kick the economy.

They have got it wrong locally and nationally and it will be the Joe Bloggs man in the street who will end up paying for their financial mis-management

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to **kick**start the economy

loosehead wrote:
Great at least I know what i will have to pay out next year.
Maybe they should be asking for volunteers to maintain the cities parks as there must be loads of flat/apartment dwellers who would like to do some gardening?

You may know what you have to pay out next year, but you don't know what you will be getting for your money.

You are out of touch with reality if you think that so many cuts can be made without services being affected.

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

You forgot to mention that the debt is increasing, because this Tory-led government is still borrowing and in the process has seen the unemployemnt figures rise to the highest total for 16 years.

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?, the austerity measures introduced under the Tories (cuts to public services and jobs) are not working.

It is clearly a double attack by Government both centrally and locally on workers/unions in the name of austerity.

This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy, they have given the banks billions (through quantative easing) to loan to small business's which the banks are keeping and not lending.

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to kick the economy.

They have got it wrong locally and nationally and it will be the Joe Bloggs man in the street who will end up paying for their financial mis-management

"Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?"

No! I can blame them for causing the crisis in the UK because of lack of Financial regulation. Let's face it, it was blatantly obvious that we had a Credit Bubble and a Property Bubble - it was only ever going to have one outcome - BUST!

The Bankers are being used by many people as an excuse for their own failings and their own debt contribution to our demise! Only 4 financial organisations in the UK needed loans/bailing out. 500 other banks in London didn't need any help!

How come so many other worldwide banks didn't need any help?!

Of the £1000 Billion Debt that the coalition inherited, only £46 Billion was used to buy shares in RBS and Lloyds - most, if not all, we will get back when the shares are sold!

Make no mistake, our demise was caused by an incompetent Labour government and I blame the people who were daft enough to vote for them more than once, to be responsible!!

The most impacted people will be the less well off, the elderly and the vulnerable, doesn't quite go together does it? The elderly are the most well off for a start,they are the real parasites in society, its about time they paid up.
This serves the council workers right they should of agreed to a £10 a week pay cut instead of being greedy sods.

This Tory council was always going to follow the lead of the Govt.Job cuts and cuts on the elderly and most vulnerable.
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And the reason why Smith and Moulton will do this is because they dont want to ruffle the feathers of the big boys as they want to be the local Tory candidates when the next general election comes around.
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They were both gutted that they didnt get voted in last time as MP's so they want to be recognised and have another go.
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The thing about bioth local and National Tories is that they think that they are Teflon coated ....... nothing sticks to them.
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They take the blame for nothing.
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After nearly two years their policies have been complete and utter failures.
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Higher and record unemployment, cuts to this Countries most vulnerable of people, destroying the fabric of our society, destrying an NHS that virtuallt EVERYONE is against,
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Teflon Tories ......
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Below i list their successes .............
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Teflon Tories ............ Not fit for government National or Local

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?, the austerity measures introduced under the Tories (cuts to public services and jobs) are not working.

It is clearly a double attack by Government both centrally and locally on workers/unions in the name of austerity.

This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy, they have given the banks billions (through quantative easing) to loan to small business's which the banks are keeping and not lending.

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to kick the economy.

They have got it wrong locally and nationally and it will be the Joe Bloggs man in the street who will end up paying for their financial mis-management

'This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy'

Yes, because that would make perfect sense wouldn't it..? (doh)

Where did you get your degree in Economics again?

Linesman wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

You forgot to mention that the debt is increasing, because this Tory-led government is still borrowing and in the process has seen the unemployemnt figures rise to the highest total for 16 years.

"You forgot to mention that the debt is increasing,"

Of course it is! It's like a Super-tanker and takes a long time to turn around! Just because the coalition came into power it didn't mean the debt would instantly stop rising! Labour's reckless commitments on spending had to be met - you could not just turn them off.
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Unfortunately, the Eurozone problem isn't helping the situation.
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BEFORE the financial crisis - unemployment was rising (16-24 unemployment had doubled), construction had virtually ceased - it was widely accepted in business that the economy was in decline.

There are many more back office staff at supervisor/managemen
t level that could be done away with and no one would notice any difference in the level of service provided to the public.
I had reason to complain to a particular department and when asking to speak to a senior officer was told none were available as they were all in a meeting.
When I enquired well how many are not available I was told about 12 which seems an absurdly high figure when considering the ratio of administration/front
line staff to supervisor/managemen
t level staff in that department.
I also didn't think it was sensible to have all senior level staff unavailable at any one time.

bigfella777 wrote:
The most impacted people will be the less well off, the elderly and the vulnerable, doesn't quite go together does it? The elderly are the most well off for a start,they are the real parasites in society, its about time they paid up. This serves the council workers right they should of agreed to a £10 a week pay cut instead of being greedy sods.

Thats what we needed "bigfella"
A little bit of humour to lighten things up on this thread because,............
. YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS !!!!

bigfella777 wrote:
The most impacted people will be the less well off, the elderly and the vulnerable, doesn't quite go together does it? The elderly are the most well off for a start,they are the real parasites in society, its about time they paid up.
This serves the council workers right they should of agreed to a £10 a week pay cut instead of being greedy sods.

Is this a joke??? the elderly are well off?? I'm hoping you are joking, if not give me a ring and I will take you round to soem of the day centres in the city, that's the ones that just about remain open!

Calling elderly people parasites, really is beyond the pale - you stupid, ignorant man!

All those tantrums once again for nothing, when will children learn?

George4th wrote:

Linesman wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

You forgot to mention that the debt is increasing, because this Tory-led government is still borrowing and in the process has seen the unemployemnt figures rise to the highest total for 16 years.

"You forgot to mention that the debt is increasing,"

Of course it is! It's like a Super-tanker and takes a long time to turn around! Just because the coalition came into power it didn't mean the debt would instantly stop rising! Labour's reckless commitments on spending had to be met - you could not just turn them off.
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Unfortunately, the Eurozone problem isn't helping the situation.
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BEFORE the financial crisis - unemployment was rising (16-24 unemployment had doubled), construction had virtually ceased - it was widely accepted in business that the economy was in decline.

I appreciate that a super-tanker takes a long time to turn round, but this Tory-led government is neither Super nor a Tanker, although our beloved Chancellor appears to be one letter change from a Tanker.

With the policy adopted, the Super-tanker shows no sign of stopping, but appears to be on a head-long course for the rocks.

Money is being borrowed to fund the unemployment pay for those that the government's policy has put out of work. The unemployment figures are now at their highest for 16 years, and there is no 'silver lining' to indicate that they have peaked.

"Unfortunately, the Eurozone problem isn't helping the situation."

That cannot be used as an excuse unless, by the same token, you are prepared to admit that the International banking crisis, which had its beginnings in the USA, had a very big bearing on the problems faced by the Labour government.

It is also worth remembering that the Tory record on finance leaves a hell of a lot to be desired.

They sold off EIGHT nationalised assets between 1981 and 1989, and then embarked on the Maestricht fiasco which resulted in Black Wednesday 16-9-92.

What have we got to show for all the money that was raised by that sell-off?

"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

George4th wrote:
"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

You see that wall near your computer, go bang your head on it! You'll get far better results ;-) x

IronLady2010 wrote:

George4th wrote:
"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

You see that wall near your computer, go bang your head on it! You'll get far better results ;-) x

... And i thought that he did that before he posted

George4th wrote:
"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

If you think that it was GOLDEN WEDNESDAY, perhaps you could tell me what benefits the country has got to show for the sell-off of
British Aerospace
Cable&Wireless
North Sea Oil
BT
British Gas
British Airways
British Steel
Water Utilities

All sold off between 1981 and 1989, three years before Black Wednesday.

Linesman wrote:

George4th wrote:
"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

If you think that it was GOLDEN WEDNESDAY, perhaps you could tell me what benefits the country has got to show for the sell-off of
British Aerospace
Cable&Wireless
North Sea Oil
BT
British Gas
British Airways
British Steel
Water Utilities

All sold off between 1981 and 1989, three years before Black Wednesday.

Before Thatcher, the Labour government had run the country so badly that capital was withdrawn from this country via the financial markets. The country was in such a bad state that Labour had to borrow loads of money from the IMF and be regulated by the IMF.

When Thatcher came to power, we had no money! (same problem the coalition inherited from Labour!). What we did have was inefficient poorly run Heavily Unionised Nationalised Industries. The obvious thing to do to raise cash was to privatise these industries and, in the process, modernise them and make them efficient and competitive.

>Throughout the 90s, Labour did not protest about Privatisation. Why? Because they did not want to be committed to re-Nationalising any of those businesses!
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In fact, Labour Privatised a number of government owned concerns during their 13 years and even introduced privatisation into the NHS in a big way!

IronLady2010 wrote:

George4th wrote:
"Black Wednesday 16-9-92."

Better known as GOLDEN WEDNESDAY! That was the year we saw the green shoots of recovery which resulted in the Labour government eventually inheriting the best economy ever inherited by an incoming government! That same Labour government immediately sold off our Gold reserves and ruined the pensions of tens of millions of people by withdrawing the tax relief on dividends. They then proceeded to waste all the tax revenues on misguided policies without any form of future investment. Not satisfied with that, they went out and borrowed even more money to waste! End result? £1000 Billion debt and Rising!!!!

Absolutely fantastic! Ruined the lives of so many people in the aftermath of their ego tripping incompetency!

You see that wall near your computer, go bang your head on it! You'll get far better results ;-) x

:-)

Good advice - thank you!

Well what do you lot want? Labour has said " improved working practices" JOB CUTS in any other world. restore the pay to it's previous level? the ones striking are on £17,500 & below so what restoring are they going to see? they will be the first in line for working improvements so here comes the dole queue.
to restore this they need £7million even with drastic job cuts they won't achieve this so Council tax rises will happen .
the council workers who never took a cut will be expected to pay at least 9% more on their council tax to cover the pay of the well paid council workers many who don't live in the cities boundary.
You call the Tories scum? A Labour council took pay rises every year,raised council tax by 18% to help cover their pay rise.
This Tory scum took a 5% pay cut exactly what they were asking the workers to do yet you call them scum?
My above post was tongue in cheek & I just wanted to see your responses.
I will not vote for a party that changes it's policies if they upset the unions so I definitely won't vote Labour & if they get in I can't wait to say I told you so when your all on here whining

The unions complain about pay, but I know a manager there who took a 5% pay cut on the grounds that next budget year he is getting a double pay rise which will see him earn more than last year before the pay cut. The union mis lead the public.

.. oh such petty tribalism.
'My red flag's better than your blue one'.
'No it's not'.
'Yes it is'.
'No it's not'.
ad infinitum.

There may not be much on which I agree with southy and his Trotskyist friends, but he sure sums up you red, blue and yellow lot - you are all, pathetically, the same.

SaintM wrote:
The unions complain about pay, but I know a manager there who took a 5% pay cut on the grounds that next budget year he is getting a double pay rise which will see him earn more than last year before the pay cut. The union mis lead the public.

The Unions DO NOT mis-lead the public, we know exactly where we stand with them!

Moan-strike-moan-str
ike and so it continues. Each time the Unions get involved a Company moves elsewhere, come the Council, each time the Union get involved people lose jobs!

These unions are like a disease, they slowly rot away the flesh.

Lets just look at the facts below, then make up your own mind.
our leader stated above that he would make savings for the council from the following.
by getting better deals from his suppliers, by winding down the stores at city depot, material costs have gone up by 20% more, that is what happens when you keep all your eggs in one basket.

how can you run an operation like housing repairs when the management and supervision costs more than the cost of the job as reported in the city view magazine.
Repairs and maintenance £15.73m
SUPERVISION AND MANAGEMENT £16.97m, in the real world you would go bust,so lets employ another manager.
or better still bring in a consultant

..And all the claims and counter claims ... all the rights and wrongs of this poor council and still most miss the point regarding the fact that the most vulnerable in out City, elderly and disabled will robbed of much needed support and help.
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Rather than ringfence the most needed services decisions such funding a Sea museum to the tune of £5m out of the public purse,.
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Redundancy pay a couple of weeks ago was running into hundreds of thousands.
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Fat cat executives still not prepared to take the cuts to their own salaries .. allegedly..
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Large sums of money wasted on pie-in the-sky developement dreams.
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Uncollected local taxes.
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Its just disgusting that these ego trips and lack of leadership deprive such disadvantaged citizens of this once great City the chance to lead their lives in a dignified way.
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Big Borlotto wrote:
how can you run an operation like housing repairs when the management and supervision costs more than the cost of the job as reported in the city view magazine.
Repairs and maintenance £15.73m
SUPERVISION AND MANAGEMENT £16.97m, in the real world you would go bust,so lets employ another manager.
or better still bring in a consultant

The Unions would kick off!

We can't do a thing without Unions kicking off, management are also part of the Union.

Southy even stated the Legal team/solicitor for SCC went on strike, what chance do we have!

a lot of work outsourced at cheap start cost like capita who then charge a fortune for any extras. belfour veattie and the likes making a fortune at our expenxe, bring it back and work done without profit.

SaintM wrote:
a lot of work outsourced at cheap start cost like capita who then charge a fortune for any extras. belfour veattie and the likes making a fortune at our expenxe, bring it back and work done without profit.

We can't rely on Council employees, they go on strike when the puppet master says so!

The only way is to give it to private companies so we don't have a repeat of 2011.

Anyway, I'm off to Oxford Street, if anyone would care to join, let's enjoy the new layout SCC have started under Roy!

Have a good evening all :-)

Look if the bin men sat down say with the council (or union) worked out exactly how many drivers/bin men were needed(holiday & sickness cover as well) then worked out what they could do the rounds for ( price) then if people wanted early retirement let them go but try to do the rounds with less people & get the council to agree the use of office workers/accountants & the leasing of the vehicles.
They could earn considerably more as we know & so do they that they could do longer rounds in eight hours so earning more money with less people they would then be the masters of their own destiny.
this could save their jobs & save the council money.do it under a Tory council where you the workers decide who goes & who stays.
vote Labour & this extension of your rounds will happen & you won't get to choose who goes ( it usually means last in first out).
you have pushed the council into the courts so money that could have gone to helping the pensioners have to be used/saved in case you win so well done your okay but forget about the OAP's

Shoong wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Way to go Tory scum, trampling all over the poor, the old and the vulnerable to score a few political points.

Your supposed to serve the people not condemn them!

After 13 years of a Labour government all we had to show for it was a MASSIVE DEBT! And, the poor had become poorer.

Are you seriously blaming the global banking crisis on the last Government?, the austerity measures introduced under the Tories (cuts to public services and jobs) are not working.

It is clearly a double attack by Government both centrally and locally on workers/unions in the name of austerity.

This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy, they have given the banks billions (through quantative easing) to loan to small business's which the banks are keeping and not lending.

May I remind you George that when the Tories were in opposition nationally they approved every one of Labour's strategies to kick the economy.

They have got it wrong locally and nationally and it will be the Joe Bloggs man in the street who will end up paying for their financial mis-management

'This Government are hell bent on destroying this countries economy'

Yes, because that would make perfect sense wouldn't it..? (doh)

Where did you get your degree in Economics again?

Where did you get your degree in Economics again?

I do not need a degree in economics to know unemployment and the countries debt rising daily, austerity measure put in place failing, banks taking money from the Government to lend to small business's which they are not doing.

Ask Sir Mervyn King, (I'm sure he knows more than both of us) Go question him

Delighted I will not be charged a higher council tax. I am also delighted my tax will not go to support two union guys who appear to cause endless trouble ( if Labour get back will they waste another £90,000 re employing them? Another example of Labour tax and waste ).
Well done you Tories for standing up to these Labour/Unions bully boys on behalf of us tax payers.