Opposition plan to derail NHS reforms (From Daily Echo)

Good luck, John. This bill could well be the undoing of this government, and lord knows it needs undoing sooner rather than later.

St Retford wrote:
Good luck, John. This bill could well be the undoing of this government, and lord knows it needs undoing sooner rather than later.

Absolutely, because the previous lot did such a great job didn't they? 'Course they did.

Sometimes I think certain peoples memories started on 11 May...

"He will lead an army of health professionals and residents to voice their opposition to the plans"

"It will be open for everyone who opposes the bill"


A balanced debate then?!

With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
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If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
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This could be the final nail

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
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If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
.
This could be the final nail

With the quality of alternatives on offer, I wouldn't fire up the hearse just yet.

What people should remember is the words of Dave C whilst out on the campaign trail, "There will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS". He said that whilst knowing full well that Lansley with the help of £8.3m in the form of 333 donations from private health companies to the Tory party was doing the exact opposite.
How many people remember the Tory slogan the NHS is safe in our hands, that was a joke.

The NHS is one subject that no one trusts Tories with, purely because they are only interested in one thing making money, and the resturation of the have's and have nots, the Tories being the have's and everyone else the have nots.

When it comes to health care, they do not want to see it free at the point of delivery. They would rather everyone had private medical care and they could then be making big bucks out of it. We do not want American health care system over hear, the quicker the bill is dropped the better. The NHS belongs to everyone not just the select few, and I want a doctor who will treat me, and not be spending his time, worrying about the totals not adding up on the spreadsheet, or sitting in a disciplinary hearing, over something that has happened. I want the doctor I see to have his full concentration on what ever medical issue I am consulting him about.

I totally agree with the final words of Lone Ranger, if it succeed, then Dave C, Andrew Lansley, Nick Clegg will all be RIP. I for one will not be attending the funeral.

dave1958 wrote:
What people should remember is the words of Dave C whilst out on the campaign trail, "There will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS". He said that whilst knowing full well that Lansley with the help of £8.3m in the form of 333 donations from private health companies to the Tory party was doing the exact opposite.
How many people remember the Tory slogan the NHS is safe in our hands, that was a joke.

The NHS is one subject that no one trusts Tories with, purely because they are only interested in one thing making money, and the resturation of the have's and have nots, the Tories being the have's and everyone else the have nots.

When it comes to health care, they do not want to see it free at the point of delivery. They would rather everyone had private medical care and they could then be making big bucks out of it. We do not want American health care system over hear, the quicker the bill is dropped the better. The NHS belongs to everyone not just the select few, and I want a doctor who will treat me, and not be spending his time, worrying about the totals not adding up on the spreadsheet, or sitting in a disciplinary hearing, over something that has happened. I want the doctor I see to have his full concentration on what ever medical issue I am consulting him about.

I totally agree with the final words of Lone Ranger, if it succeed, then Dave C, Andrew Lansley, Nick Clegg will all be RIP. I for one will not be attending the funeral.

Well put and when your own party and coalitiion partners aren't in favour, and there has been no chance for open debate (no opposers were invited to DC's meeting yesterday) then it will fail.

I think this is the one thing that has made me most angry about this government, that and the disablist bashing (which Cameron also said he would never do either having had a disabled son). This is is COALITION but no-one would ever think it would they! Even Nick Clegg was struggling on TV this morning and has been sent to some youth project today to keep him out of the way.

I will be protesting at this rally and more if they continue to ignore a large majority of professionals, staff, fellow polititians and patients who have clear issues with it.

Labour had 13 years of reform and spent £billions upon £billions and for what? Increased salaries! (e.g.Doctors pay doubled!). The NHS needed radical reform, a massive change in culture. (Without it, it will become unaffordable - remember, we are bust at the moment!)). Labour had already introduced Privatisation because they saw the need to change - unfortunately they didn't go anywhere near far enough.
Look anywhere else in the world and see what sort of medical care you get! And at what cost!
If the NHS is made an efficient and cost effective organisation, it will be sustainable for decades to come - if not, it will all collapse and everyone will end up having to pay for medical care out of their own pocket.

You choose...........

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
.
If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
.
This could be the final nail

With the quality of alternatives on offer, I wouldn't fire up the hearse just yet.

The alternatives may not be great ... But they cannot be any worse than a Tory led coalition that is so out of touch with the electorate.
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Fortunately Cameron is so arrogant that he cant see the dangers that lay ahead.
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Even the opinion polls show that his lead has been completely eroded due to this Bill.
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This is great news ..... let him carry on and dig his own grave.
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So it may not be fired up but the ignition is on

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
.
If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
.
This could be the final nail

With the quality of alternatives on offer, I wouldn't fire up the hearse just yet.

The alternatives may not be great ... But they cannot be any worse than a Tory led coalition that is so out of touch with the electorate.
.
Fortunately Cameron is so arrogant that he cant see the dangers that lay ahead.
.
Even the opinion polls show that his lead has been completely eroded due to this Bill.
.
This is great news ..... let him carry on and dig his own grave.
.
So it may not be fired up but the ignition is on

Sorry, I disagree. It's easy to confuse 'arrogant' with 'determined' whatever your goals maybe.
13 years of utter incompetency have to be rectified.

They are not popular choices, never will be.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
.
If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
.
This could be the final nail

With the quality of alternatives on offer, I wouldn't fire up the hearse just yet.

The alternatives may not be great ... But they cannot be any worse than a Tory led coalition that is so out of touch with the electorate.
.
Fortunately Cameron is so arrogant that he cant see the dangers that lay ahead.
.
Even the opinion polls show that his lead has been completely eroded due to this Bill.
.
This is great news ..... let him carry on and dig his own grave.
.
So it may not be fired up but the ignition is on

Sorry, I disagree. It's easy to confuse 'arrogant' with 'determined' whatever your goals maybe.
13 years of utter incompetency have to be rectified.

They are not popular choices, never will be.

13 years without any opposition is because the Tories etc had nothing to offer.
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13 years and "the people" voted Labour back in on three occasions.
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After 13 of incompetency (your word) why did the Tories STILL NOT win an overall majority.
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and after not even two years if the Country went to the polls tomorrow Labour would win again.
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And i do know the difference between aroganct and determined ... do you.
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Cameron is "arogant" in pushing forward with this Bill.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
With so many Tories, Lib Dems, Labour and the majority of Health Professionals against this NHS Bill still the arrogance of Cameron continues to take it forward.
.
If he does succeed then its RIP NHS but best of all RIP Conservatives.
.
This could be the final nail

With the quality of alternatives on offer, I wouldn't fire up the hearse just yet.

The alternatives may not be great ... But they cannot be any worse than a Tory led coalition that is so out of touch with the electorate.
.
Fortunately Cameron is so arrogant that he cant see the dangers that lay ahead.
.
Even the opinion polls show that his lead has been completely eroded due to this Bill.
.
This is great news ..... let him carry on and dig his own grave.
.
So it may not be fired up but the ignition is on

Sorry, I disagree. It's easy to confuse 'arrogant' with 'determined' whatever your goals maybe.
13 years of utter incompetency have to be rectified.

They are not popular choices, never will be.

13 years without any opposition is because the Tories etc had nothing to offer.
.
13 years and "the people" voted Labour back in on three occasions.
.
After 13 of incompetency (your word) why did the Tories STILL NOT win an overall majority.
.
and after not even two years if the Country went to the polls tomorrow Labour would win again.
.
And i do know the difference between aroganct and determined ... do you.
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Cameron is "arogant" in pushing forward with this Bill.

You didn't accuse him of being 'arogant' ;)

I guess it's all down to perception, I'm sure he will tell you he's determined.

While I think these reforms could do with a little polish, I believe that they safeguard the future of the NHS in the long term.
I could be wrong, time will tell.

George4th wrote:
"He will lead an army of health professionals and residents to voice their opposition to the plans"

"It will be open for everyone who opposes the bill"


A balanced debate then?!

As regards a balanced debate .... some call it a "summit" IF you read the papers you would have noticed Camerons total farce in his NHS Summit yesterday.
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Of course only invited were the the ones in favour of the Bill.
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Yes excluded organisations such as the BMA, RCN, RCM and of course no Lib Dems.
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How pathetic is that then ....???
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In your words ... "A balanced debate then"

George4th wrote:
"He will lead an army of health professionals and residents to voice their opposition to the plans"

"It will be open for everyone who opposes the bill"


A balanced debate then?!

Like Cameron, who only invited those in favour of the bill, to join talks with him at No 10. So much for a government that listens!

dave1958 wrote:
What people should remember is the words of Dave C whilst out on the campaign trail, "There will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS". He said that whilst knowing full well that Lansley with the help of £8.3m in the form of 333 donations from private health companies to the Tory party was doing the exact opposite.
How many people remember the Tory slogan the NHS is safe in our hands, that was a joke.

The NHS is one subject that no one trusts Tories with, purely because they are only interested in one thing making money, and the resturation of the have's and have nots, the Tories being the have's and everyone else the have nots.

When it comes to health care, they do not want to see it free at the point of delivery. They would rather everyone had private medical care and they could then be making big bucks out of it. We do not want American health care system over hear, the quicker the bill is dropped the better. The NHS belongs to everyone not just the select few, and I want a doctor who will treat me, and not be spending his time, worrying about the totals not adding up on the spreadsheet, or sitting in a disciplinary hearing, over something that has happened. I want the doctor I see to have his full concentration on what ever medical issue I am consulting him about.

I totally agree with the final words of Lone Ranger, if it succeed, then Dave C, Andrew Lansley, Nick Clegg will all be RIP. I for one will not be attending the funeral.

Well said Dave.