School says no to eczema treatment (From Daily Echo)

nedscrumpo wrote:
Safeguarding policies should mean that a school promotes the health and welfare of a child. In not administering the cream the school could be causing harm through neglect. Common sense please.

JohnItaly wrote:
So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.

Shoong wrote:

JohnItaly wrote:
So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.

Silly comment JohnItaly, she's not the victim of a playground incident, it's a medical condition.

Breathe, calm down.

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).

kwebb24 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"

bigfella777 wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"

I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse.
What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers.
I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.

kwebb24 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"

I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse.
What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers.
I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.

we are now not under a normal gp anymore we are under dermatologist now at the general hospital we have done the whole food things and the reason she has to put the parrifin cream on which then prevents the cracks and infections etc everywhere on her body is doing really well but her back is one off the worst hit parts at the moment and all i am asking is the school to help her put it on her back for her as she cant reach, i help her at home the same as i help her with her inhalers which again the school do not administrate she has to............. leah has no triggers in her condition

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.

kwebb24 wrote:
i would like to thnk everyone for there support although some people clearly do not know leahs full situation, her conditon is not down to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth...... thank you again for your support and i will continue to fight the school to have these rules relaxed :)

kwebb24 wrote:
i do go the school every single day to apply the cream i have another child as well who is at home who i also have to take with me! like i said if a child needed drugs for another illness that is more serious than leahs then would they still continue not to administer drugs or even a plaster because a 5 year old cut there knee ????? leah last year was in hospital for 2 weeks due to the fact she had a asthma attack at school and the school failed to notice she was blue around the lips and did not phone me to tell me she collapsed in the school playground and was in the re-cus room at the general hospital because they thought she would go into a cardiac arrest if her heart started to go any faster her heart rate increased to supply blood flow to her organs that were shuting down because she was left strugggling to breath for so long at school and why was that beacause they wouldnt give her her medication!!! so hope you get my drift now as to why im so angry and maybe its not the school i need to fight bt maybe the parents who wrongly accuse teachers for touching their child and getting compo for it because they see it as money making scheme!!!!!!!! and this why we are in this situtation that we are in today !

kwebb24 wrote:
The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person

Nutstrangler wrote:
So...it's "Inappropriate" for a teacher or first-aider to put cream on this little girl's back, but it is appropriate for her to be left untreated and possibly suffering ? People like these are like cotton buds.....they get right up my nose.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person

Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.

The Salv wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person

Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.

Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it.
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Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

The Salv wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person

Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.

Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it. . Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!!

Sorry where have I said that teacher's are shirking their responsibilities? I said 62% of respondents agreed. I actually think a compromise could be reached and said so! I appreciate both sides of the argument. Suggest you have a cuppa and calm down and get off that high horse of yours before you take a tumble! ;)

Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),

kwebb24 wrote:
The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person

kwebb24 wrote:

Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),

there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher

thinklikealocal wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:

Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),

there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher

Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.

nedscrumpo wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:

Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),

there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher

Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?

The law requires that a child's health and well being is promoted, not, as in this case, hindered.

Smartiepants wrote:
My friend was in a position of responsibility in school and against her better judgement and for the sake of the child, she did something very much like what the mother is asking the school to do in this case. My friend is now without a job, having been sacked and up before the courts. She's also had a nervous breakdown with the stress of it all. That's why school's don't do it and they won't do it. They'll be up before the courts. You can't blame them, blame today's PC society.

BillyTheKid wrote:
Where is the troll andysaints when we need him/her? I'm sure he/she could find some appropriate comments for the semi-coherent twaddle posted here today. Never mind the law, Kerry Webb has a moral right to expect some sympathy and co-operation regarding Leah, and the school has a duty of care. Children and parents do make allegations, and teachers are naturally wary of taking risks with their reputation and career. My experience is that the school nurse does this sort of job, with an assistant present.

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.

I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid)
I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution.
Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them.
Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical?
There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post.
most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream?
I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask?
You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.

pod wrote:

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.

this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

thinklikealocal wrote:

pod wrote:

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.

this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

Pod

You say this lady is obviously a caring mum, what caring parent would have their child splashed all over the local paper as part of their ongoing 'war' with a school. I don' t call that caring. In earlier posts she accused the school of nearly killing her child last year, she also tells us that she goes to the school every lunchtime but has to take her younger child (given as a reason as to why she should not have tp do this). She seems to me to be a right toyal P. I.T.A.

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

thinklikealocal wrote:
Kwebb24

You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......

pod wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:
Kwebb24

You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......

I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.

I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid)
I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution.
Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them.
Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical?
There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post.
most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream?
I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask?
You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?

It has occurred with my children Loosehead (btw I'm not so blinkered that just because we are of different political colours we can't agree on other things). I think the doc's surgery thing is a great compromise, what's known as a win-win. I do have a lot to do with schools and safeguarding but can't give exact details.
I have had it happen with my kids, as you know are disabled. This isn't just ordinary eczema and I appreciate that the mum may not be able to go in all the time, particularly if she goes back to work. Yes, I would go in but it's never been a problem at the schools I have chosen. I've checked beforehand whether things will be an 'issue'.

@TheSalv - your opinion of me, someone you don't know, doesn't matter to me, in fact I find it rather amusing :p

what I don't find amusing is the amount of bullying that's going on here from a few people, and veiled threats and posturing to this young woman. Whether you agree or not, no-one has any right to bully her through these columns, you can express an opinion without getting nasty and making horrible comments from behind a computer. People are forgetting about this child's well being and welfare here and targeting her mother like this is out of order.

My own 'opinion' is that it would have been wise to try and sort this out with the school as far as possible, the LEA and health before going to the papers. I would advise that for anyone and there are ways of doing this. However, having hindsight is rather useful!

However, I wish the family luck and hope a compromise can be reached for everyone's benefit.

pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

The Salv wrote:

pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.

pod wrote:

The Salv wrote:

pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.

what are you on about??

thinklikealocal wrote:

pod wrote:

The Salv wrote:

pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.

She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.

what are you on about??

I think it is in regard to your comment at 8.22. pita is 'pain in the a@@@'. See the last post, as i guesed earlier, this is part of an ongoing campaign against the school. I think we might differ on the subject of who is the real bully here!

mrs H AC wrote:
How sad that in our schools we cannot apply cream which is medically essential,but our underage daughters can have contraceptive inplants without the parents knowledge!

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

bish,bash,bosh,tosh wrote:
I am sure that the school has teachers who are trained for first aid and they are all CRB checked. You have this case, then at the other extreme, you have the contracteptive implants being administered at schools on thirteen year old girls without parents/gp's consent at all.

thinklikealocal wrote:

pod wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......

I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.

I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.

kwebb24 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

pod wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......

I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.

I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.

if in fact i was abusing my child would she look the way she does on her photo would she have bruises? cuts? etc............ im trying to get the schools to change their policys not just wis but other schools as well!!! this is not a form off child abuse!!!! i think you may find if you read another article the mother who held a knife to her 7 year old daughters throat is a child abuser!!!!! i WILL NOT sit back and read this utter c**p about me and my child do you not have better things to do rather then sit here and have a go at me because if it was your child im sure you would have something to say about this wouldnt you!!!!

Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).

bigfella777 wrote:
When I was in junior school if you didn't bring your PE kit you had to do it in your pants, how things have changed.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).

Society isn't like that, and our legal system is nothing like the4 US'. The concept of 'reasonableness' is central to the English legal system, and if the parents authorised the staff to apply the cream then there would be zero chance of any problems.

The Daily Mail would have you believe otherwise of course, but happily it's codswallop.

Saintade wrote:
Would just like to add a note to Leah's mum - a work colleague of min has a young son who suffered terribly from all-over eczema, and she got a water softener installed and the eczema sompletely disappeared on her son. There has been a web article all about it. I am 52 and have suffered from eczema all my life and she recommended this treatment as we have very hard water down here in Hampshire. I had a softener fitted last year and immediately (within days) my skin recovered and I have not used any creams or had any eczema at all since the installation. I can categorically recommend that water softening, coupled with 100% pure shampoo, conditioner and soap actually works. I do not work for a water softening company by the way!

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

kwebb24 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.

i hope you are not saying my sister is also mistreating her child. with everything you have said about to prevent the skin condition getting worse. i am to a suffer of the skin condition my sister has and is doing everything she can for her child she eats all the right things and is following what the doctors and the consultants are saying from the hospital. the problem is in the genes and runs through the female side of the family. how can people comment about my sister when they dont know her they dont know how hard she is trying to get this sorted out for her child i can understand from both sides the school and my sister is not neglecting her child in anyway as a parent their is only so much you can do and their for should not be judeged by others most of the time parents will always know what is best for their child and i to understand that there are parents who do neglect their children but my sister is not one of them.

kwebb24 wrote:

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??

wizard wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??

Ahh I see your up to your usual bullying antics as you do to the teachers in the school! thing is you dont bother me, so as I said before get your own backside up the school, and STOP expecting a teacher or any other member of staff for that matter rubbing cream into your daughter, And its about time you told the whole truth dont you think?

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

loosehead wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?

BillyTheKid wrote:

loosehead wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?

Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.

loosehead wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

loosehead wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?

Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.

Well here's one for you.
Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind,
you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press.
She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed.
& Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child?
are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream?
If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream.
My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring?
I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these

BillyTheKid wrote:

loosehead wrote:

BillyTheKid wrote:

loosehead wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?

Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.

Well here's one for you.
Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind,
you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press.
She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed.
& Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child?
are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream?
If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream.
My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring?
I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these

I really am very sorry if your life experiences have been bad. But having spent 25 years as a teacher, I have met many children and parents with seriously troubled lives, far worse than anything I've read about here.
Something I and my colleagues never did was to scorn them, insult them, and generally provoke them. The idea was to try to sympathise, advise, and help to improve the situation, whether they were to blame or not for their circumstances.
With only the Echo's take on the subject, and lone attempts by the people involved (who often have communication difficulties) to explain or defend themselves, no one should feel they know enough to make a judgement.
There is a world of difference between making observations, and launching all-out verbal attacks.
You are lucky that you have the strength of character and integrity to know what to do when problems surround you, but do you have to stamp on those who don't ?
What is wrong with giving people the benefit of your advice without condemning them ?
I have read all of your recent posts, and most of them shake with anger, bitterness and despair. Unfortunately, the tone and attitude you adopt masks some of the very good points you make.
Surely it would be better if people reading these columns said "Oh, loosehead's written something, that might be interesting to read" rather than "Loosehead - oh not that miserable so-and-so again. Not bothering with that."
I hope you don't feel you don't care. You must care otherwise you would not feel so strongly about posting here.
None of this is my business, but one or two of you cannot be far from being blocked from this website for harrassment of other users. It just isn't necessary.

loosehead wrote:

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye

Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?