Woolston Infant School staff refuse to give girl medical treatment for eczema

Daily Echo: Leah Johnston and mum Kerry Webb Leah Johnston and mum Kerry Webb

SHE suffers from a skin condition that can be extremely painful.

At just five years old, Leah Johnston’s eczema is so severe she has to rub cream over her body four times a day.

Yet her school is refusing to help the youngster apply the cream to her back, which she cannot reach, because staff are not allowed to touch her.

The head teacher says it is “inappropriate” for staff to apply the medication, for child protection reasons.

Leah’s mum has described the decision as “crazy” and called for the school to show some common sense.

Leah’s eczema is so bad her skin would become cracked and infected without the regular treatment, prescribed by a specialist.

It means that once a day she needs to apply the cream while at school, which she can do, apart from an area on her back she can’t reach.

Although staff at Woolston Infant School say they are happy to supervise her doing it, they cannot help her apply the cream.

In a letter to Leah’s doctor, head teacher Julie Swanston said it would be “inappropriate”

for staff to apply the cream, due to child safeguarding policies.

But mum Kerry Webb, 24, from Woolston, Southampton, said the decision was “crazy”.

“Leah is five years old, she is really good at remembering to rub the cream in and is able to do it herself over her arms and legs and chest but she physically cannot reach her back. All I am asking for is a bit of common sense for them to just help with her back.

I can’t understand them saying they can’t touch her, it’s crazy. What happens if a child falls over or needs some other sort of treatment.

Would they not touch them too?”

Leah also suffers from asthma and needs to use inhalers at school every day – a process that is overseen by staff.

It has been suggested that a simple solution would be to have a second member of staff supervising as one applies the cream, a policy used at other schools when child protection is an issue.

National Eczema Society chief executive Margaret Cox said: “Unfortunately we do hear of such cases where schools have a ‘non-touch’ policy which is a serious problem for eczema sufferers who really do need this medication applied.

“I would call for a sensible approach here so that in such cases the rules could be relaxed to allow for the medication to be given.”

Head teacher Julie Swanston said: “There have never in the past been any issues or concerns from any parents, pupils or teachers in how we help to administer medication to children.

“In this particular case we have supervised the child putting on her medication and have been in regular communication with the child’s parents and doctor.

“In normal circumstances when administering things like creams we would either ask the parents to administer them or, like in this instance, we would help the child to administer it themselves under our supervision, as long as we get prior agreement from the child’s parents.

“I’m very sorry to hear there is some concern, and we will continue to ask the parents to come in and talk to us to see how we can address those concerns.”

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9:39am Mon 27 Feb 12

nedscrumpo says...

Safeguarding policies should mean that a school promotes the health and welfare of a child. In not administering the cream the school could be causing harm through neglect. Common sense please.
Safeguarding policies should mean that a school promotes the health and welfare of a child. In not administering the cream the school could be causing harm through neglect. Common sense please. nedscrumpo
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9:47am Mon 27 Feb 12

BenjiWinsor says...

The school seems to have missed the issue entirely! The child can't reach their back and the back needs to have cream applied .. why isn't the school providing or suggesting a solution? They can talk to the parents until they are blue in the face but until they realise the issue and provide solutions the poor parents will get nowhere!
The school seems to have missed the issue entirely! The child can't reach their back and the back needs to have cream applied .. why isn't the school providing or suggesting a solution? They can talk to the parents until they are blue in the face but until they realise the issue and provide solutions the poor parents will get nowhere! BenjiWinsor
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10:07am Mon 27 Feb 12

redarmy5 says...

Simple case. Cream needed 4 times a day. So 1 before school , twice at school and last one in evening. One teacher to help rub cream onto back with another teacher or even head teacher as a witness. End of day its the welfare of the child who is under the schools responsibility and for the school to look after her. What if school neglected and refused to rub cream on her back and child got worse and/or reacted without the cream. Imagine reporting this if child turned worse and needed medical help. Easier just to help. Some schools need to relax and wake up.
Simple case. Cream needed 4 times a day. So 1 before school , twice at school and last one in evening. One teacher to help rub cream onto back with another teacher or even head teacher as a witness. End of day its the welfare of the child who is under the schools responsibility and for the school to look after her. What if school neglected and refused to rub cream on her back and child got worse and/or reacted without the cream. Imagine reporting this if child turned worse and needed medical help. Easier just to help. Some schools need to relax and wake up. redarmy5
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10:08am Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

Completely understandable unless they have a school nurse on site. From memory I always thought they had nurses at schools?
Completely understandable unless they have a school nurse on site. From memory I always thought they had nurses at schools? The Salv
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10:11am Mon 27 Feb 12

loosehead says...

You all seem to have missed the point!
all child organisations/sports teams have to have a first aider/medically trained person .
if the teachers touched her to put on medication or assist in treatment of any cut or fall they could get in trouble.
there have been numerous cases where a teacher has been wrongly accused of inappropriate action with a child only for this to be proven false yet that teachers name stays on the sex offenders list guilty or not guilty.
Is the mother working?could she make time to administer the cream at the right time?
The child protection act whilst was a good thing has also been proven to go to far as maybe is the case here. just ask yourselfs this Would you put your career at risk after many years study & passing tests just to be wrongly accused? Would you even put your self in that position? Maybe this is the reason behind the schools actions?
You all seem to have missed the point! all child organisations/sports teams have to have a first aider/medically trained person . if the teachers touched her to put on medication or assist in treatment of any cut or fall they could get in trouble. there have been numerous cases where a teacher has been wrongly accused of inappropriate action with a child only for this to be proven false yet that teachers name stays on the sex offenders list guilty or not guilty. Is the mother working?could she make time to administer the cream at the right time? The child protection act whilst was a good thing has also been proven to go to far as maybe is the case here. just ask yourselfs this Would you put your career at risk after many years study & passing tests just to be wrongly accused? Would you even put your self in that position? Maybe this is the reason behind the schools actions? loosehead
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10:13am Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
Safeguarding policies should mean that a school promotes the health and welfare of a child. In not administering the cream the school could be causing harm through neglect. Common sense please.
You could also say that the school IS promoting the health and welfare of child but making sure there are no opportunities for this girl being inappropriately touched. You cant win with some parents, if there not up in arms about one thing it would be that teachers are being allowed to touch there children.
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There is a doctors surgery over the road from that school cant they arrange for the triage nurse to do this. Wont take long will it?
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: Safeguarding policies should mean that a school promotes the health and welfare of a child. In not administering the cream the school could be causing harm through neglect. Common sense please.[/p][/quote]You could also say that the school IS promoting the health and welfare of child but making sure there are no opportunities for this girl being inappropriately touched. You cant win with some parents, if there not up in arms about one thing it would be that teachers are being allowed to touch there children. . There is a doctors surgery over the road from that school cant they arrange for the triage nurse to do this. Wont take long will it? The Salv
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10:22am Mon 27 Feb 12

Goldenwight says...

Quick straw poll here.

How many of you would be happy if an unqualifed stranger started touching YOUR children in an inappropriate manner?
Quick straw poll here. How many of you would be happy if an unqualifed stranger started touching YOUR children in an inappropriate manner? Goldenwight
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10:38am Mon 27 Feb 12

Nutstrangler says...

So...it's "Inappropriate" for a teacher or first-aider to put cream on this little girl's back, but it is appropriate for her to be left untreated and possibly suffering ? People like these are like cotton buds.....they get right up my nose.
So...it's "Inappropriate" for a teacher or first-aider to put cream on this little girl's back, but it is appropriate for her to be left untreated and possibly suffering ? People like these are like cotton buds.....they get right up my nose. Nutstrangler
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10:39am Mon 27 Feb 12

Nutstrangler says...

One for the "Echo"...what is "resuse" ?
One for the "Echo"...what is "resuse" ? Nutstrangler
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10:55am Mon 27 Feb 12

JohnItaly says...

So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.
So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous. JohnItaly
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11:08am Mon 27 Feb 12

chrisdemeanour says...

I think that generally this is about right, but assuming that everyone in the school is CRB checked, and assuming there is at least one trained first aider of each gender I am sure they could do it in this case. If not, they could call it a contraceptive cream and do whatever they like??
I think that generally this is about right, but assuming that everyone in the school is CRB checked, and assuming there is at least one trained first aider of each gender I am sure they could do it in this case. If not, they could call it a contraceptive cream and do whatever they like?? chrisdemeanour
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11:14am Mon 27 Feb 12

Shoong says...

JohnItaly wrote:
So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.
Silly comment JohnItaly, she's not the victim of a playground incident, it's a medical condition.

Breathe, calm down.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Silly comment JohnItaly, she's not the victim of a playground incident, it's a medical condition. Breathe, calm down. Shoong
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11:23am Mon 27 Feb 12

JohnItaly says...

Shoong wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.
Silly comment JohnItaly, she's not the victim of a playground incident, it's a medical condition.

Breathe, calm down.
So under what circumstances is it "appropriate" for a teacher to "touch" a child? Believe me I am calm, just absolutely fed up with the PC brigade and the utter and complete lack of common sense approach to many social problems.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: So if a child were badly injured in a playground accident the school would do absolutely nothing to help for fear of "inappropriate touching" by the school staff. How absolutely ***** ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Silly comment JohnItaly, she's not the victim of a playground incident, it's a medical condition. Breathe, calm down.[/p][/quote]So under what circumstances is it "appropriate" for a teacher to "touch" a child? Believe me I am calm, just absolutely fed up with the PC brigade and the utter and complete lack of common sense approach to many social problems. JohnItaly
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11:43am Mon 27 Feb 12

bigfella777 says...

Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years. bigfella777
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12:03pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Bazil Brush says...

I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).
I completely agree with the school's decision!! This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'. Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive. If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more. I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ). Bazil Brush
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12:16pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Taskforce 141 says...

I totally understand why the schools and teachers are apprehensive about applying the cream, as it does mean touching the bare skin of a child and given all the recent cases of child abuse in the public spotlight, however the simple solution of two teachers - one to apply and one to monitor, would have been a simple solution to the problem.

If i was a teacher i would not risk my career without seeking the appropriate guidance and permission - sadly this day and age has taught us not to be as caring for one another in case you get sued or wrongly accused.
I totally understand why the schools and teachers are apprehensive about applying the cream, as it does mean touching the bare skin of a child and given all the recent cases of child abuse in the public spotlight, however the simple solution of two teachers - one to apply and one to monitor, would have been a simple solution to the problem. If i was a teacher i would not risk my career without seeking the appropriate guidance and permission - sadly this day and age has taught us not to be as caring for one another in case you get sued or wrongly accused. Taskforce 141
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12:17pm Mon 27 Feb 12

City Final says...

How can anything inappropriate even be a factor here? Parents have given permission, requested it in fact. They have indicated where she can't apply the cream herself , her back. As long as staff carry out parent's wish and nothing else why would they have anything to worry about?
How can anything inappropriate even be a factor here? Parents have given permission, requested it in fact. They have indicated where she can't apply the cream herself , her back. As long as staff carry out parent's wish and nothing else why would they have anything to worry about? City Final
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12:24pm Mon 27 Feb 12

bish,bash,bosh,tosh says...

I am sure that the school has teachers who are trained for first aid and they are all CRB checked. You have this case, then at the other extreme, you have the contracteptive implants being administered at schools on thirteen year old girls without parents/gp's consent at all.
I am sure that the school has teachers who are trained for first aid and they are all CRB checked. You have this case, then at the other extreme, you have the contracteptive implants being administered at schools on thirteen year old girls without parents/gp's consent at all. bish,bash,bosh,tosh
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12:30pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy" kwebb24
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12:33pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

i would like to thnk everyone for there support although some people clearly do not know leahs full situation, her conditon is not down to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth...... thank you again for your support and i will continue to fight the school to have these rules relaxed :)
i would like to thnk everyone for there support although some people clearly do not know leahs full situation, her conditon is not down to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth...... thank you again for your support and i will continue to fight the school to have these rules relaxed :) kwebb24
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12:34pm Mon 27 Feb 12

batesieboy says...

Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).
Bazil Brush is 100% correct. The school is absolutely right in this case. Unfortunately.
It is NOT the school that is crazy, it's the PC child over-protection groups that make the rules. the school is only following the law to protect itself and its work-force.And for God's sake, when can school's just get on with the job of teaching and learning, instead of having to try to compensate for a cra**y society? I too, am a realist, and already a happy emigrant!
[quote][p][bold]Bazil Brush[/bold] wrote: I completely agree with the school's decision!! This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'. Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive. If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more. I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).[/p][/quote]Bazil Brush is 100% correct. The school is absolutely right in this case. Unfortunately. It is NOT the school that is crazy, it's the PC child over-protection groups that make the rules. the school is only following the law to protect itself and its work-force.And for God's sake, when can school's just get on with the job of teaching and learning, instead of having to try to compensate for a cra**y society? I too, am a realist, and already a happy emigrant! batesieboy
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12:54pm Mon 27 Feb 12

bigfella777 says...

kwebb24 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"
I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse.
What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers.
I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse. What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers. I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue. bigfella777
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1:07pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"
I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse.
What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers.
I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.
we are now not under a normal gp anymore we are under dermatologist now at the general hospital we have done the whole food things and the reason she has to put the parrifin cream on which then prevents the cracks and infections etc everywhere on her body is doing really well but her back is one off the worst hit parts at the moment and all i am asking is the school to help her put it on her back for her as she cant reach, i help her at home the same as i help her with her inhalers which again the school do not administrate she has to............. leah has no triggers in her condition
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse. What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers. I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.[/p][/quote]we are now not under a normal gp anymore we are under dermatologist now at the general hospital we have done the whole food things and the reason she has to put the parrifin cream on which then prevents the cracks and infections etc everywhere on her body is doing really well but her back is one off the worst hit parts at the moment and all i am asking is the school to help her put it on her back for her as she cant reach, i help her at home the same as i help her with her inhalers which again the school do not administrate she has to............. leah has no triggers in her condition kwebb24
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1:09pm Mon 27 Feb 12

bobbyboy says...

I can not for the life of me understand where we are going as a society with all these petty rules did we let a man drown, are we causing undue stress to those that can not help themselves and now this are we in a modern world or not come on a pair of respected teachers with a little bit of first aid knowledge should be able to administer a touch of cream with all consent given one applies the other acts as overseer bloody simple if you ask me by the way for those that suffer my brother did and what cleared it simple vaseline applied to the affected parts daily with clean hands it worked on our dog too after many hundreds spent at the vets so not all creams are suitable unless the doctor monitors it weekly was'nt our time a better place to be most of the time...
I can not for the life of me understand where we are going as a society with all these petty rules did we let a man drown, are we causing undue stress to those that can not help themselves and now this are we in a modern world or not come on a pair of respected teachers with a little bit of first aid knowledge should be able to administer a touch of cream with all consent given one applies the other acts as overseer bloody simple if you ask me by the way for those that suffer my brother did and what cleared it simple vaseline applied to the affected parts daily with clean hands it worked on our dog too after many hundreds spent at the vets so not all creams are suitable unless the doctor monitors it weekly was'nt our time a better place to be most of the time... bobbyboy
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1:13pm Mon 27 Feb 12

ohec says...

Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line. ohec
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1:13pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

kwebb24 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"
I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse.
What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers.
I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.
we are now not under a normal gp anymore we are under dermatologist now at the general hospital we have done the whole food things and the reason she has to put the parrifin cream on which then prevents the cracks and infections etc everywhere on her body is doing really well but her back is one off the worst hit parts at the moment and all i am asking is the school to help her put it on her back for her as she cant reach, i help her at home the same as i help her with her inhalers which again the school do not administrate she has to............. leah has no triggers in her condition
http://www.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/pubmedhealth
/PMH0002422/

this is leahs condition and i would like it if you couad this throughly ...... as it will tell you that this is a inherited disease... thanks
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]leahs skin condition is not due to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth hence why she has breakouts with the skin cracked and infections we have been to see hospital consultants etc..... so her condition has not been mistreated from the start she has the parrifin base cream 4 times daily and the steroid topic cream twice with bath oil once daily with a medicated shampooh for her hair i am her mother and i appreciate you writing your comment but this is not a case off "food allergy"[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying and you are right, anyone who suffers from eczema has a genetic skin barrier disfunction (ie) the skin is a barrier which keeps nasty things out in most people. With people who are prone to eczema like myself that barrier doesnt work properly, but what I am saying is that once you have cracks in it there is no barrier at all (ie) allergens,irritants and microbes can just get straight in there nothing to stop it, then you have a cascade effect where it just keeps on getting worse. What I said is right you have to keep yourself away from everything, smothering yourself in the paraffin forms a layer nothing can get through it is the only way it can be cured,I have been hospitalised as a child until I found my triggers. I am not trying to lecture you at all, but in my experience GP's are a waste of time on this issue.[/p][/quote]we are now not under a normal gp anymore we are under dermatologist now at the general hospital we have done the whole food things and the reason she has to put the parrifin cream on which then prevents the cracks and infections etc everywhere on her body is doing really well but her back is one off the worst hit parts at the moment and all i am asking is the school to help her put it on her back for her as she cant reach, i help her at home the same as i help her with her inhalers which again the school do not administrate she has to............. leah has no triggers in her condition[/p][/quote]http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pubmedhealth /PMH0002422/ this is leahs condition and i would like it if you couad this throughly ...... as it will tell you that this is a inherited disease... thanks kwebb24
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1:16pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.
no maybe its not the schools responsibility but what if a diabetic child needed insilin would they not touch them or administer drugs to help them just like they wont with my child im sure if this was your child you would have something different to say about it all and would saying to me what im saying to you!
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.[/p][/quote]no maybe its not the schools responsibility but what if a diabetic child needed insilin would they not touch them or administer drugs to help them just like they wont with my child im sure if this was your child you would have something different to say about it all and would saying to me what im saying to you! kwebb24
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1:21pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

kwebb24 wrote:
i would like to thnk everyone for there support although some people clearly do not know leahs full situation, her conditon is not down to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth...... thank you again for your support and i will continue to fight the school to have these rules relaxed :)
Think you are blind... dont fight the school. It's not there issue.
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There are not medical staff there are teachers and are there to teach.
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If you look you do not have a large majority support so wouldnt continue your crusade.
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Do you work during the day Mon - Fri?
May I suggest you going to the school to do this task?
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: i would like to thnk everyone for there support although some people clearly do not know leahs full situation, her conditon is not down to food allergys etc.... her skin barrier did not form properly at birth...... thank you again for your support and i will continue to fight the school to have these rules relaxed :)[/p][/quote]Think you are blind... dont fight the school. It's not there issue. . There are not medical staff there are teachers and are there to teach. . If you look you do not have a large majority support so wouldnt continue your crusade. . Do you work during the day Mon - Fri? May I suggest you going to the school to do this task? The Salv
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1:26pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Northamboy says...

This is simple for the school to sort out. The kid needs treatment so get off your lazy backsides and do it.
This is simple for the school to sort out. The kid needs treatment so get off your lazy backsides and do it. Northamboy
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1:29pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

i do go the school every single day to apply the cream i have another child as well who is at home who i also have to take with me! like i said if a child needed drugs for another illness that is more serious than leahs then would they still continue not to administer drugs or even a plaster because a 5 year old cut there knee ????? leah last year was in hospital for 2 weeks due to the fact she had a asthma attack at school and the school failed to notice she was blue around the lips and did not phone me to tell me she collapsed in the school playground and was in the re-cus room at the general hospital because they thought she would go into a cardiac arrest if her heart started to go any faster her heart rate increased to supply blood flow to her organs that were shuting down because she was left strugggling to breath for so long at school and why was that beacause they wouldnt give her her medication!!! so hope you get my drift now as to why im so angry and maybe its not the school i need to fight bt maybe the parents who wrongly accuse teachers for touching their child and getting compo for it because they see it as money making scheme!!!!!!!! and this why we are in this situtation that we are in today !
i do go the school every single day to apply the cream i have another child as well who is at home who i also have to take with me! like i said if a child needed drugs for another illness that is more serious than leahs then would they still continue not to administer drugs or even a plaster because a 5 year old cut there knee ????? leah last year was in hospital for 2 weeks due to the fact she had a asthma attack at school and the school failed to notice she was blue around the lips and did not phone me to tell me she collapsed in the school playground and was in the re-cus room at the general hospital because they thought she would go into a cardiac arrest if her heart started to go any faster her heart rate increased to supply blood flow to her organs that were shuting down because she was left strugggling to breath for so long at school and why was that beacause they wouldnt give her her medication!!! so hope you get my drift now as to why im so angry and maybe its not the school i need to fight bt maybe the parents who wrongly accuse teachers for touching their child and getting compo for it because they see it as money making scheme!!!!!!!! and this why we are in this situtation that we are in today ! kwebb24
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1:36pm Mon 27 Feb 12

bigfella777 says...

I do sympathise as I had this all through school and my back was always difficult because it is the largest piece of skin, I still struggle to keep it moisturised now as an adult.
My parents didn't know that my passive smoking was what was causing most of it.
The school is wrong in this, would they deny a child access to a nebuliser or diabetic drugs?
Healthcare is a necessity not a luxury.
I do sympathise as I had this all through school and my back was always difficult because it is the largest piece of skin, I still struggle to keep it moisturised now as an adult. My parents didn't know that my passive smoking was what was causing most of it. The school is wrong in this, would they deny a child access to a nebuliser or diabetic drugs? Healthcare is a necessity not a luxury. bigfella777
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1:47pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

As a mother I think you should take it upon your self to visit the school to apply the cream.
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As a parent it is your responsibility and you shouldnt rely on the help of others. The teachers are there to give your child an education. Mind you I am still shocked that they dont have a school nurse on site to do this? There was always a school nurse/sick bay when I was at school in the 80's and 90's.
As a mother I think you should take it upon your self to visit the school to apply the cream. . As a parent it is your responsibility and you shouldnt rely on the help of others. The teachers are there to give your child an education. Mind you I am still shocked that they dont have a school nurse on site to do this? There was always a school nurse/sick bay when I was at school in the 80's and 90's. The Salv
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1:53pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

Just to follow up again Kerry, I would take this up with your local MP or Councillor and ask why there is not a school nurse on site that is trained to deal with these issues. You cant direct this at the teachers it really is not their responsibility, but I do sympathise. Failing that is their a education department at Southampton City Council?
Just to follow up again Kerry, I would take this up with your local MP or Councillor and ask why there is not a school nurse on site that is trained to deal with these issues. You cant direct this at the teachers it really is not their responsibility, but I do sympathise. Failing that is their a education department at Southampton City Council? The Salv
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1:56pm Mon 27 Feb 12

jazzi says...

It is not the schools issue, they have to request permission from the LEA.

I know as my son takes a controlled drug and has to be administered at lunch time at school.
I also visited the school daily until the very clever head teacher resolved my plight by contacting the LEA. Every body will do their very best now ( I HOPE ) to resolve this !!

Head teachers are the managers and should be able to resolve any problem, as everyones circumstances are different. I think we were lucky to have a very sensible caring Head.

Policies and procedures are set in place for the right reasons, understandably !! Common sense should kick in now the ECHO has rattled a few cages xx
GL little Miss if they don't help you I will personally make you a back swab and get u a mirror or 2 so you can see what your doing x
It is not the schools issue, they have to request permission from the LEA. I know as my son takes a controlled drug and has to be administered at lunch time at school. I also visited the school daily until the very clever head teacher resolved my plight by contacting the LEA. Every body will do their very best now ( I HOPE ) to resolve this !! Head teachers are the managers and should be able to resolve any problem, as everyones circumstances are different. I think we were lucky to have a very sensible caring Head. Policies and procedures are set in place for the right reasons, understandably !! Common sense should kick in now the ECHO has rattled a few cages xx GL little Miss if they don't help you I will personally make you a back swab and get u a mirror or 2 so you can see what your doing x jazzi
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2:14pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

Kwebb24

You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......
Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong...... thinklikealocal
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2:16pm Mon 27 Feb 12

melodie says...

kwebb24 wrote:
i do go the school every single day to apply the cream i have another child as well who is at home who i also have to take with me! like i said if a child needed drugs for another illness that is more serious than leahs then would they still continue not to administer drugs or even a plaster because a 5 year old cut there knee ????? leah last year was in hospital for 2 weeks due to the fact she had a asthma attack at school and the school failed to notice she was blue around the lips and did not phone me to tell me she collapsed in the school playground and was in the re-cus room at the general hospital because they thought she would go into a cardiac arrest if her heart started to go any faster her heart rate increased to supply blood flow to her organs that were shuting down because she was left strugggling to breath for so long at school and why was that beacause they wouldnt give her her medication!!! so hope you get my drift now as to why im so angry and maybe its not the school i need to fight bt maybe the parents who wrongly accuse teachers for touching their child and getting compo for it because they see it as money making scheme!!!!!!!! and this why we are in this situtation that we are in today !
I can see where both u and the school are coming from but if u feel like your child isn't getting the right care from then ie-the asthma attack then maybe u should start looking elsewhere for her education. I know if my child fell badly ill at school and I wasn't informed I would have him out of there like a shot!!
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: i do go the school every single day to apply the cream i have another child as well who is at home who i also have to take with me! like i said if a child needed drugs for another illness that is more serious than leahs then would they still continue not to administer drugs or even a plaster because a 5 year old cut there knee ????? leah last year was in hospital for 2 weeks due to the fact she had a asthma attack at school and the school failed to notice she was blue around the lips and did not phone me to tell me she collapsed in the school playground and was in the re-cus room at the general hospital because they thought she would go into a cardiac arrest if her heart started to go any faster her heart rate increased to supply blood flow to her organs that were shuting down because she was left strugggling to breath for so long at school and why was that beacause they wouldnt give her her medication!!! so hope you get my drift now as to why im so angry and maybe its not the school i need to fight bt maybe the parents who wrongly accuse teachers for touching their child and getting compo for it because they see it as money making scheme!!!!!!!! and this why we are in this situtation that we are in today ![/p][/quote]I can see where both u and the school are coming from but if u feel like your child isn't getting the right care from then ie-the asthma attack then maybe u should start looking elsewhere for her education. I know if my child fell badly ill at school and I wasn't informed I would have him out of there like a shot!! melodie
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2:27pm Mon 27 Feb 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article. freemantlegirl2
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2:28pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person kwebb24
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2:33pm Mon 27 Feb 12

GERHedgeEnd says...

Completely agree with the stance of the school, yet another case of the parent trying to pass the buck, shame on the echo for even running the story let alone making it front page news
Completely agree with the stance of the school, yet another case of the parent trying to pass the buck, shame on the echo for even running the story let alone making it front page news GERHedgeEnd
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2:42pm Mon 27 Feb 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

kwebb24 wrote:
The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them!

62% of people agreed with the survey above.
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above. freemantlegirl2
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2:42pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Goldenwight says...

Nutstrangler wrote:
So...it's "Inappropriate" for a teacher or first-aider to put cream on this little girl's back, but it is appropriate for her to be left untreated and possibly suffering ? People like these are like cotton buds.....they get right up my nose.
You don't have small children, do you?
[quote][p][bold]Nutstrangler[/bold] wrote: So...it's "Inappropriate" for a teacher or first-aider to put cream on this little girl's back, but it is appropriate for her to be left untreated and possibly suffering ? People like these are like cotton buds.....they get right up my nose.[/p][/quote]You don't have small children, do you? Goldenwight
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2:44pm Mon 27 Feb 12

rightway says...

A five-year-old child needs help to administer eczema cream and all we hear is "inappropriate touching."
What kind of a society have we become?
A five-year-old child needs help to administer eczema cream and all we hear is "inappropriate touching." What kind of a society have we become? rightway
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2:55pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.
Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it.
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Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!!
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.[/p][/quote]Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it. . Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!! The Salv
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2:58pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.
Surprise surprise FM2 sitting on the fence... :-/
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I can understand where the parent is coming I can also understand where the school is coming from...
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There is only one way to sort this out...
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FIIIIIIGGHHT!
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.[/p][/quote]Surprise surprise FM2 sitting on the fence... :-/ . I can understand where the parent is coming I can also understand where the school is coming from... . There is only one way to sort this out... . FIIIIIIGGHHT! The Salv
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3:01pm Mon 27 Feb 12

clairemc says...

It is sad that schools have had to put such strict protection rules in place but having worked in a school as a support assistant I know how careful you have to be having any contact with a child. I understand the mother's frustration but unfortunately this as the times we live in. Perhaps she could go in at lunch time and do the necessary treatment....
It is sad that schools have had to put such strict protection rules in place but having worked in a school as a support assistant I know how careful you have to be having any contact with a child. I understand the mother's frustration but unfortunately this as the times we live in. Perhaps she could go in at lunch time and do the necessary treatment.... clairemc
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3:05pm Mon 27 Feb 12

melodie says...

This debate is getting me annoyed. The mum says she does go to apply the cream but she has another child which she has to take with her. TOUGH! If its your child and she needs something doing then u do it no matter what!! Or is sitting at home watching daytime more important?!
This debate is getting me annoyed. The mum says she does go to apply the cream but she has another child which she has to take with her. TOUGH! If its your child and she needs something doing then u do it no matter what!! Or is sitting at home watching daytime more important?! melodie
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3:06pm Mon 27 Feb 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

The Salv wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.
Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it.
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Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!!
Sorry where have I said that teacher's are shirking their responsibilities? I said 62% of respondents agreed.

I actually think a compromise could be reached and said so! I appreciate both sides of the argument.

Suggest you have a cuppa and calm down and get off that high horse of yours before you take a tumble! ;)
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.[/p][/quote]Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it. . Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!![/p][/quote]Sorry where have I said that teacher's are shirking their responsibilities? I said 62% of respondents agreed. I actually think a compromise could be reached and said so! I appreciate both sides of the argument. Suggest you have a cuppa and calm down and get off that high horse of yours before you take a tumble! ;) freemantlegirl2
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3:10pm Mon 27 Feb 12

St Retford says...

Christ, it's like mumsnet on here today.
Christ, it's like mumsnet on here today. St Retford
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3:30pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
The Salv wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
kwebb24 wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.
Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it. . Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!!
Sorry where have I said that teacher's are shirking their responsibilities? I said 62% of respondents agreed. I actually think a compromise could be reached and said so! I appreciate both sides of the argument. Suggest you have a cuppa and calm down and get off that high horse of yours before you take a tumble! ;)
Well luckily for us there are people running the country that have a spine and can approach these issues with reasonable judgment and conclusion.
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You must be the most spineless commentator on here and have an extremely sore bottom with all those splinters in it!
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person[/p][/quote]Don't take any notice, they probably have nothing better to do you have to feel sorry for them! 62% of people agreed with the survey above.[/p][/quote]Thats very constructive FM2. Bet you were one of those that were defending teachers right to a decent pension etc and now your saying that they are sherking their responsibilities. Anything for the popular vote eh, it's an easy life that isnt it. . Fortunetely there are people that dont go through life wearing rose coloured glasses and can constructively solve issues like this one. ITS NOT THE TEACHERS FAULT OR RESPONSIBILITY. AIM YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE NOT THE TEACHERS THEY ARE THERE TO TEACH!!![/p][/quote]Sorry where have I said that teacher's are shirking their responsibilities? I said 62% of respondents agreed. I actually think a compromise could be reached and said so! I appreciate both sides of the argument. Suggest you have a cuppa and calm down and get off that high horse of yours before you take a tumble! ;)[/p][/quote]Well luckily for us there are people running the country that have a spine and can approach these issues with reasonable judgment and conclusion. . You must be the most spineless commentator on here and have an extremely sore bottom with all those splinters in it! The Salv
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3:37pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Matt Probert says...

It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present), Matt Probert
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3:37pm Mon 27 Feb 12

septuagenarian says...

During the war years as pupil at Cranbury Road infants school, if you had a wobbly tooth, the teacher would often come to aid with a handkerchief to remove it. Can't say that I enjoyed my time there though, The Headmaster was too heavy handed with his cane, three of the best on both hands for being five minutes late, and this is after spending most of the night in a dug-out shelter in the back garden.
During the war years as pupil at Cranbury Road infants school, if you had a wobbly tooth, the teacher would often come to aid with a handkerchief to remove it. Can't say that I enjoyed my time there though, The Headmaster was too heavy handed with his cane, three of the best on both hands for being five minutes late, and this is after spending most of the night in a dug-out shelter in the back garden. septuagenarian
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3:39pm Mon 27 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),
there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher
[quote][p][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote: It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),[/p][/quote]there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher kwebb24
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3:43pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

kwebb24 wrote:
The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person
No one needs to contact Social Services, they do read the Echo you know.... Would you like to comment on the bit about the school nearly killing your child last year, I'd really like to see that....
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: The matter last year was handled and if people think im abusing my child becauss she is in the paper then take it up with social services you idiot off a person[/p][/quote]No one needs to contact Social Services, they do read the Echo you know.... Would you like to comment on the bit about the school nearly killing your child last year, I'd really like to see that.... thinklikealocal
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3:47pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

kwebb24 wrote:
Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),
there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher
Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote: It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),[/p][/quote]there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher[/p][/quote]Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it? thinklikealocal
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3:54pm Mon 27 Feb 12

nedscrumpo says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),
there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher
Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?
The law requires that a child's health and well being is promoted, not, as in this case, hindered.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote: It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),[/p][/quote]there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher[/p][/quote]Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?[/p][/quote]The law requires that a child's health and well being is promoted, not, as in this case, hindered. nedscrumpo
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4:10pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Smartiepants says...

My friend was in a position of responsibility in school and against her better judgement and for the sake of the child, she did something very much like what the mother is asking the school to do in this case. My friend is now without a job, having been sacked and up before the courts. She's also had a nervous breakdown with the stress of it all. That's why school's don't do it and they won't do it. They'll be up before the courts. You can't blame them, blame today's PC society.
My friend was in a position of responsibility in school and against her better judgement and for the sake of the child, she did something very much like what the mother is asking the school to do in this case. My friend is now without a job, having been sacked and up before the courts. She's also had a nervous breakdown with the stress of it all. That's why school's don't do it and they won't do it. They'll be up before the courts. You can't blame them, blame today's PC society. Smartiepants
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4:13pm Mon 27 Feb 12

loosehead says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.
I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid)
I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution.
Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them.
Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical?
There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post.
most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream?
I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask?
You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.[/p][/quote]I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid) I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution. Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them. Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical? There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post. most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream? I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask? You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it? loosehead
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4:18pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
Matt Probert wrote:
It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),
there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher
Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?
The law requires that a child's health and well being is promoted, not, as in this case, hindered.
Exactly my point. The law is not prescriptive in this area, it is all down to interpretation. There is no point stating the law does not say you can't do it, the point is it does not say you can/should do it! Removing sweets from a child's lunchbox could be deemed as promoting their welfare, but would/should a school do it?
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote: It's not the school's fault. It's the law. Schools are not allowed to do this, I agree its ridiculous, but blame our stupid dictatorial nanny-state (which was introduced by the last government but not overturned by the present),[/p][/quote]there is no law stating that a teacher is not allowed to touch a child or give medication it is a school policy that can be relaxed or changed by the lea or the head teacher[/p][/quote]Perhaps you would like to tell us about the law that says they have a duty to do it?[/p][/quote]The law requires that a child's health and well being is promoted, not, as in this case, hindered.[/p][/quote]Exactly my point. The law is not prescriptive in this area, it is all down to interpretation. There is no point stating the law does not say you can't do it, the point is it does not say you can/should do it! Removing sweets from a child's lunchbox could be deemed as promoting their welfare, but would/should a school do it? thinklikealocal
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4:18pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

Smartiepants wrote:
My friend was in a position of responsibility in school and against her better judgement and for the sake of the child, she did something very much like what the mother is asking the school to do in this case. My friend is now without a job, having been sacked and up before the courts. She's also had a nervous breakdown with the stress of it all. That's why school's don't do it and they won't do it. They'll be up before the courts. You can't blame them, blame today's PC society.
Whats funny is it's the same lefty liberal types that are complaining about this that brought in the whole PC cant touch my child etc etc etc
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It's quite comical really bwa hahaha
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They may have to conceid here and accept the conservative as the best.
[quote][p][bold]Smartiepants[/bold] wrote: My friend was in a position of responsibility in school and against her better judgement and for the sake of the child, she did something very much like what the mother is asking the school to do in this case. My friend is now without a job, having been sacked and up before the courts. She's also had a nervous breakdown with the stress of it all. That's why school's don't do it and they won't do it. They'll be up before the courts. You can't blame them, blame today's PC society.[/p][/quote]Whats funny is it's the same lefty liberal types that are complaining about this that brought in the whole PC cant touch my child etc etc etc . It's quite comical really bwa hahaha . They may have to conceid here and accept the conservative as the best. The Salv
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4:25pm Mon 27 Feb 12

westend says...

Looks like the mother could do with going back to school herself - she obviously doesn't read what she types ! She is the one who had the child so it's her responsibility - as usual some parents think it all revolves around them
Looks like the mother could do with going back to school herself - she obviously doesn't read what she types ! She is the one who had the child so it's her responsibility - as usual some parents think it all revolves around them westend
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4:30pm Mon 27 Feb 12

BillyTheKid says...

Where is the troll andysaints when we need him/her? I'm sure he/she could find some appropriate comments for the semi-coherent twaddle posted here today.
Never mind the law, Kerry Webb has a moral right to expect some sympathy and co-operation regarding Leah, and the school has a duty of care.
Children and parents do make allegations, and teachers are naturally wary of taking risks with their reputation and career. My experience is that the school nurse does this sort of job, with an assistant present.
Where is the troll andysaints when we need him/her? I'm sure he/she could find some appropriate comments for the semi-coherent twaddle posted here today. Never mind the law, Kerry Webb has a moral right to expect some sympathy and co-operation regarding Leah, and the school has a duty of care. Children and parents do make allegations, and teachers are naturally wary of taking risks with their reputation and career. My experience is that the school nurse does this sort of job, with an assistant present. BillyTheKid
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4:37pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Where is the troll andysaints when we need him/her? I'm sure he/she could find some appropriate comments for the semi-coherent twaddle posted here today. Never mind the law, Kerry Webb has a moral right to expect some sympathy and co-operation regarding Leah, and the school has a duty of care. Children and parents do make allegations, and teachers are naturally wary of taking risks with their reputation and career. My experience is that the school nurse does this sort of job, with an assistant present.
I think there is sympathy here. But like a lot of people have pointed out there is no clarity here and having ago at the teachers is venting your frustrations at the wrong people.
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Like I said it's an own goal for the Liberal parade here. They have shot themselves in the front by protecting there childs interests so much that it is not possible to put medicinal cream onto a child.
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But as you so rightly pointed out same as I where is the school nurse? and I will highlight this again to people NURSE not teacher.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Where is the troll andysaints when we need him/her? I'm sure he/she could find some appropriate comments for the semi-coherent twaddle posted here today. Never mind the law, Kerry Webb has a moral right to expect some sympathy and co-operation regarding Leah, and the school has a duty of care. Children and parents do make allegations, and teachers are naturally wary of taking risks with their reputation and career. My experience is that the school nurse does this sort of job, with an assistant present.[/p][/quote]I think there is sympathy here. But like a lot of people have pointed out there is no clarity here and having ago at the teachers is venting your frustrations at the wrong people. . Like I said it's an own goal for the Liberal parade here. They have shot themselves in the front by protecting there childs interests so much that it is not possible to put medicinal cream onto a child. . But as you so rightly pointed out same as I where is the school nurse? and I will highlight this again to people NURSE not teacher. The Salv
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5:33pm Mon 27 Feb 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

loosehead wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.
I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid)
I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution.
Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them.
Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical?
There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post.
most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream?
I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask?
You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?
It has occurred with my children Loosehead (btw I'm not so blinkered that just because we are of different political colours we can't agree on other things). I think the doc's surgery thing is a great compromise, what's known as a win-win. I do have a lot to do with schools and safeguarding but can't give exact details.
I have had it happen with my kids, as you know are disabled. This isn't just ordinary eczema and I appreciate that the mum may not be able to go in all the time, particularly if she goes back to work. Yes, I would go in but it's never been a problem at the schools I have chosen. I've checked beforehand whether things will be an 'issue'.

@TheSalv - your opinion of me, someone you don't know, doesn't matter to me, in fact I find it rather amusing :p

what I don't find amusing is the amount of bullying that's going on here from a few people, and veiled threats and posturing to this young woman. Whether you agree or not, no-one has any right to bully her through these columns, you can express an opinion without getting nasty and making horrible comments from behind a computer. People are forgetting about this child's well being and welfare here and targeting her mother like this is out of order.

My own 'opinion' is that it would have been wise to try and sort this out with the school as far as possible, the LEA and health before going to the papers. I would advise that for anyone and there are ways of doing this. However, having hindsight is rather useful!

However, I wish the family luck and hope a compromise can be reached for everyone's benefit.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.[/p][/quote]I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid) I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution. Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them. Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical? There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post. most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream? I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask? You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?[/p][/quote]It has occurred with my children Loosehead (btw I'm not so blinkered that just because we are of different political colours we can't agree on other things). I think the doc's surgery thing is a great compromise, what's known as a win-win. I do have a lot to do with schools and safeguarding but can't give exact details. I have had it happen with my kids, as you know are disabled. This isn't just ordinary eczema and I appreciate that the mum may not be able to go in all the time, particularly if she goes back to work. Yes, I would go in but it's never been a problem at the schools I have chosen. I've checked beforehand whether things will be an 'issue'. @TheSalv - your opinion of me, someone you don't know, doesn't matter to me, in fact I find it rather amusing :p what I don't find amusing is the amount of bullying that's going on here from a few people, and veiled threats and posturing to this young woman. Whether you agree or not, no-one has any right to bully her through these columns, you can express an opinion without getting nasty and making horrible comments from behind a computer. People are forgetting about this child's well being and welfare here and targeting her mother like this is out of order. My own 'opinion' is that it would have been wise to try and sort this out with the school as far as possible, the LEA and health before going to the papers. I would advise that for anyone and there are ways of doing this. However, having hindsight is rather useful! However, I wish the family luck and hope a compromise can be reached for everyone's benefit. freemantlegirl2
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5:43pm Mon 27 Feb 12

wizard says...

Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones! wizard
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5:46pm Mon 27 Feb 12

salior says...

at the end of the day because of the way society is this is the kind of problems we now have. most teachers are not legally allowed to apply any kind of medications or creams. A few can adminster inhalers if the staff are trained but on the whole for most injurys in school a cold compress is what is given.. nothing more. it can be frustrating I have also been a in position where my son has needed either inhalars or medicine (he was not ill before you all start, it was a routine medication at the time) 4 times a day, the only way i could do this was to do one just before leaving for school one straight away getting in from school one a few hrs later before bed and then the last at a point between him goin to bed and me goin to bed. fortunately his inhaler has the mask n he can take it while sleeping. but even other medicine i can wake him slightly to take n he will go straight bk down. i am not lucky enough to live near school it is a 45 minute walk at least, more with children with me but for me i kno i am not having to go into school he is gettin his 4 doses per day and I know that I have done it all correctly no worries of anyone doing it a bit later than should have or a bit to much or a bit to little, but that is my peace of mind. i do understand tho that some medications need to be done with a particular interval and can not wait til after school. but due to so many accusations in the past by lots of people not just children and schools but in general. society is now very untrusting and many professionals in all jobs feel at threat even doctors. A male doctor can no longer do certain examinations on a female with out a femal doc present.
at the end of the day because of the way society is this is the kind of problems we now have. most teachers are not legally allowed to apply any kind of medications or creams. A few can adminster inhalers if the staff are trained but on the whole for most injurys in school a cold compress is what is given.. nothing more. it can be frustrating I have also been a in position where my son has needed either inhalars or medicine (he was not ill before you all start, it was a routine medication at the time) 4 times a day, the only way i could do this was to do one just before leaving for school one straight away getting in from school one a few hrs later before bed and then the last at a point between him goin to bed and me goin to bed. fortunately his inhaler has the mask n he can take it while sleeping. but even other medicine i can wake him slightly to take n he will go straight bk down. i am not lucky enough to live near school it is a 45 minute walk at least, more with children with me but for me i kno i am not having to go into school he is gettin his 4 doses per day and I know that I have done it all correctly no worries of anyone doing it a bit later than should have or a bit to much or a bit to little, but that is my peace of mind. i do understand tho that some medications need to be done with a particular interval and can not wait til after school. but due to so many accusations in the past by lots of people not just children and schools but in general. society is now very untrusting and many professionals in all jobs feel at threat even doctors. A male doctor can no longer do certain examinations on a female with out a femal doc present. salior
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5:51pm Mon 27 Feb 12

Gainer T Gopher says...

I can see both sides here, teachers and other staff have to be so careful these days, who wants to put themself into a position where they could quite easily be accused of an offence towards children, even with 2 people in the room, one applying the cream, the other supervising.... all it would take is one of them to "say" that the other touched the child inappropriately and all hell would break loose....

I was in the situation where a 12 year old boy who played on my soccer team I coached got studded with those **** crazy razor soccer boots slicing his leg open like a, well razor, I am CRB (and beyond) checked and a qualified first aider, his parents weren't at the game and I felt safer waiting for 2 more independant people to join me on the pitch before I would even try to stop the bleeding...... but as I say, you can't be to careful these days....
I can see both sides here, teachers and other staff have to be so careful these days, who wants to put themself into a position where they could quite easily be accused of an offence towards children, even with 2 people in the room, one applying the cream, the other supervising.... all it would take is one of them to "say" that the other touched the child inappropriately and all hell would break loose.... I was in the situation where a 12 year old boy who played on my soccer team I coached got studded with those **** crazy razor soccer boots slicing his leg open like a, well razor, I am CRB (and beyond) checked and a qualified first aider, his parents weren't at the game and I felt safer waiting for 2 more independant people to join me on the pitch before I would even try to stop the bleeding...... but as I say, you can't be to careful these days.... Gainer T Gopher
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6:20pm Mon 27 Feb 12

seven777. says...

Under the Children Act 1989, teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils, traditionally referred to as 'in loco parentis'. Legally, while not bound by parental responsibility, teachers must behave as any reasonable parent would do in promoting the welfare and safety of children in their care.
teachers are not obliged to administer medicines to pupils, although may be asked to oversee children's use of asthma pumps, for example, this section goes on to state that sick children should not be in school.
that is how the law stands on this issue of medical needs and
loco parentis whilst attending school.
that said i would still like to see the nasty tw@s having a go at this woman take a few moments to think about how most people from their own community would treat them
if people found out who they were.
Under the Children Act 1989, teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils, traditionally referred to as 'in loco parentis'. Legally, while not bound by parental responsibility, teachers must behave as any reasonable parent would do in promoting the welfare and safety of children in their care. teachers are not obliged to administer medicines to pupils, although may be asked to oversee children's use of asthma pumps, for example, this section goes on to state that sick children should not be in school. that is how the law stands on this issue of medical needs and loco parentis whilst attending school. that said i would still like to see the nasty tw@s having a go at this woman take a few moments to think about how most people from their own community would treat them if people found out who they were. seven777.
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7:04pm Mon 27 Feb 12

pod says...

ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.[/p][/quote]this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that. pod
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7:25pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

pod wrote:
ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
Pod

You say this lady is obviously a caring mum, what caring parent would have their child splashed all over the local paper as part of their ongoing 'war' with a school. I don' t call that caring. In earlier posts she accused the school of nearly killing her child last year, she also tells us that she goes to the school every lunchtime but has to take her younger child (given as a reason as to why she should not have tp do this). She seems to me to be a right toyal P. I.T.A.
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.[/p][/quote]this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]Pod You say this lady is obviously a caring mum, what caring parent would have their child splashed all over the local paper as part of their ongoing 'war' with a school. I don' t call that caring. In earlier posts she accused the school of nearly killing her child last year, she also tells us that she goes to the school every lunchtime but has to take her younger child (given as a reason as to why she should not have tp do this). She seems to me to be a right toyal P. I.T.A. thinklikealocal
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7:37pm Mon 27 Feb 12

pod says...

this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that. pod
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7:41pm Mon 27 Feb 12

eurogordi says...

So we can give contraceptive implants to 13 year old children WITHOUT parental permission, but we cannot administer essential medication WITH parental permission.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY?
So we can give contraceptive implants to 13 year old children WITHOUT parental permission, but we cannot administer essential medication WITH parental permission. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY? eurogordi
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7:56pm Mon 27 Feb 12

pod says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
pod wrote:
ohec wrote:
Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
Pod

You say this lady is obviously a caring mum, what caring parent would have their child splashed all over the local paper as part of their ongoing 'war' with a school. I don' t call that caring. In earlier posts she accused the school of nearly killing her child last year, she also tells us that she goes to the school every lunchtime but has to take her younger child (given as a reason as to why she should not have tp do this). She seems to me to be a right toyal P. I.T.A.
if she was not a caring mum, her child would have remained untreated and scratched her little body raw. If she has another young child to look after that can make things difficult for her, but she has already stated that she goes to the school each day, so what is your problem?? do not know what a right toyal P.I.T.A is, but I have know doubt it is something insulting, can I suggest you look to yourself when you use the term caring.
To be honest, if it was me I would remove the child from the school, but it can be difficult to do that.
Good luck to you and your family Kerry. You will have guessed by now that when you became a mum the world and his wife think you are fair game to slag you off and make snide comments,you will nevere be able do right in some peoples eyes
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: Whats the problem mum can go to the school and apply the cream, Oh but mum is at work so maybe thats the problem. We have children starting school in nappies and mothers who want cream applied why not let the teachers take the children home at night as well, i might be wrong but i always thought that having children was a responsibility that parents undertook and schools were where you sent them to be educated, i feel sorry for the little girl but it is not the schools job to apply the cream if they go down that road where do you draw the line.[/p][/quote]this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]Pod You say this lady is obviously a caring mum, what caring parent would have their child splashed all over the local paper as part of their ongoing 'war' with a school. I don' t call that caring. In earlier posts she accused the school of nearly killing her child last year, she also tells us that she goes to the school every lunchtime but has to take her younger child (given as a reason as to why she should not have tp do this). She seems to me to be a right toyal P. I.T.A.[/p][/quote]if she was not a caring mum, her child would have remained untreated and scratched her little body raw. If she has another young child to look after that can make things difficult for her, but she has already stated that she goes to the school each day, so what is your problem?? do not know what a right toyal P.I.T.A is, but I have know doubt it is something insulting, can I suggest you look to yourself when you use the term caring. To be honest, if it was me I would remove the child from the school, but it can be difficult to do that. Good luck to you and your family Kerry. You will have guessed by now that when you became a mum the world and his wife think you are fair game to slag you off and make snide comments,you will nevere be able do right in some peoples eyes pod
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8:21pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
Wouldnt worry. Old story now whats said has been said and read. Its the spineless ones that went crying off to big brother that cant handle the truth.
[quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones![/p][/quote]Wouldnt worry. Old story now whats said has been said and read. Its the spineless ones that went crying off to big brother that cant handle the truth. The Salv
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8:22pm Mon 27 Feb 12

pod says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Kwebb24

You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......
I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......[/p][/quote]I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying. pod
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8:33pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

pod wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Kwebb24

You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......
I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.
I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......[/p][/quote]I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.[/p][/quote]I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour. thinklikealocal
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8:33pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.
I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid)
I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution.
Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them.
Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical?
There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post.
most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream?
I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask?
You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?
It has occurred with my children Loosehead (btw I'm not so blinkered that just because we are of different political colours we can't agree on other things). I think the doc's surgery thing is a great compromise, what's known as a win-win. I do have a lot to do with schools and safeguarding but can't give exact details.
I have had it happen with my kids, as you know are disabled. This isn't just ordinary eczema and I appreciate that the mum may not be able to go in all the time, particularly if she goes back to work. Yes, I would go in but it's never been a problem at the schools I have chosen. I've checked beforehand whether things will be an 'issue'.

@TheSalv - your opinion of me, someone you don't know, doesn't matter to me, in fact I find it rather amusing :p

what I don't find amusing is the amount of bullying that's going on here from a few people, and veiled threats and posturing to this young woman. Whether you agree or not, no-one has any right to bully her through these columns, you can express an opinion without getting nasty and making horrible comments from behind a computer. People are forgetting about this child's well being and welfare here and targeting her mother like this is out of order.

My own 'opinion' is that it would have been wise to try and sort this out with the school as far as possible, the LEA and health before going to the papers. I would advise that for anyone and there are ways of doing this. However, having hindsight is rather useful!

However, I wish the family luck and hope a compromise can be reached for everyone's benefit.
I have to put up with your daily vomit. Think its funny you have agreed with my comments without realising it. Dont think bullying is going on, certainly not from me. Stop playing that card. Simple fact of the matter is been said several times already. Think that question needs to be re written its misleading. Should be is it a teachers responsibility? And again... where is school nurse?
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: I can understand the school's position on this, but i can also understand the parent's! Many parent's work too. Someone made an excellent suggestion of arranging for a nurse at the GP surgery over the road to do it. May be a compromise. If not, get in touch with the LEA.They have a duty of care. Those people rushing off to judge this parent on the basis of them reading about 'bad parenting' in the Daily Mail really need to get a grip. Kerry, if her condition is treated as a disability the Disability Discrimination Act could come into play. I'd get some advice from the hospital consultant and the society who gave a quote in this article.[/p][/quote]I know we two don't see eye to eye but Fm2 I was in the TA & I was a trained first aider( field aid) I was in town & tried to help & was told by a policeman not to as even a St. Johns had walked away as you can end up being sued even if you save their lives so most First Aiders only help where they know they're safe from prosecution. Now I know nothing about this lady but I do know of cases where schools have sent children with cuts or bruising to the local A&E rather than touch them. Now one article & in reply the mum have bought up action she was either taking or trying to take against this school, maybe this is the reason why the school won't assist in anything medical? There's a doctors surgery across the road according to one post. most surgeries have a nurse so if this has one maybe the parent arranges for the child to go in there for the nurse to apply the cream? I don't know her circumstances but why couldn't she continue to pop into the school which in her words are minutes away & assist her child or is that to much to ask? You sound like a very caring mum wouldn't you find the time to do this if your child needed it?[/p][/quote]It has occurred with my children Loosehead (btw I'm not so blinkered that just because we are of different political colours we can't agree on other things). I think the doc's surgery thing is a great compromise, what's known as a win-win. I do have a lot to do with schools and safeguarding but can't give exact details. I have had it happen with my kids, as you know are disabled. This isn't just ordinary eczema and I appreciate that the mum may not be able to go in all the time, particularly if she goes back to work. Yes, I would go in but it's never been a problem at the schools I have chosen. I've checked beforehand whether things will be an 'issue'. @TheSalv - your opinion of me, someone you don't know, doesn't matter to me, in fact I find it rather amusing :p what I don't find amusing is the amount of bullying that's going on here from a few people, and veiled threats and posturing to this young woman. Whether you agree or not, no-one has any right to bully her through these columns, you can express an opinion without getting nasty and making horrible comments from behind a computer. People are forgetting about this child's well being and welfare here and targeting her mother like this is out of order. My own 'opinion' is that it would have been wise to try and sort this out with the school as far as possible, the LEA and health before going to the papers. I would advise that for anyone and there are ways of doing this. However, having hindsight is rather useful! However, I wish the family luck and hope a compromise can be reached for everyone's benefit.[/p][/quote]I have to put up with your daily vomit. Think its funny you have agreed with my comments without realising it. Dont think bullying is going on, certainly not from me. Stop playing that card. Simple fact of the matter is been said several times already. Think that question needs to be re written its misleading. Should be is it a teachers responsibility? And again... where is school nurse? The Salv
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8:45pm Mon 27 Feb 12

The Salv says...

pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you. The Salv
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8:52pm Mon 27 Feb 12

pod says...

The Salv wrote:
pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.
what are you on about??
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.[/p][/quote]what are you on about?? pod
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9:07pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

pod wrote:
The Salv wrote:
pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.
what are you on about??
I think it is in regard to your comment at 8.22. pita is 'pain in the a@@@'. See the last post, as i guesed earlier, this is part of an ongoing campaign against the school. I think we might differ on the subject of who is the real bully here!
[quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.[/p][/quote]what are you on about??[/p][/quote]I think it is in regard to your comment at 8.22. pita is 'pain in the a@@@'. See the last post, as i guesed earlier, this is part of an ongoing campaign against the school. I think we might differ on the subject of who is the real bully here! thinklikealocal
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9:11pm Mon 27 Feb 12

thinklikealocal says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
pod wrote:
The Salv wrote:
pod wrote:
this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums.
There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.
She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.
what are you on about??
I think it is in regard to your comment at 8.22. pita is 'pain in the a@@@'. See the last post, as i guesed earlier, this is part of an ongoing campaign against the school. I think we might differ on the subject of who is the real bully here!
P.s. have u heard of the term munchausen? (q spelling). Google it, very enlightening.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: this lady is obviously a good caring mum, although I do not know her, that much is obvious. What right do you have to comment on working mums, most teachers are working mums. There is a poor excuse for a mother featured in this paper who held a knife at her 7yr olds throat, save your comments for scum like that.[/p][/quote]She went public and the public gave their opinion just because you dont agree doesnt mean its wrong. If a comment breaks the rules it will be removed it is not down to you to decide what comments are allowed. Give your opinion for sure but i noticed its very late in the day and would guess that this is purely tactical as it is less likely that you would be countered and also get to have the last say to give the impression your view is correct. Very common i have noticed and also do your best to get views that you disagree with removed putting on a bullying spin to get your view. Thats right people can see right through you.[/p][/quote]what are you on about??[/p][/quote]I think it is in regard to your comment at 8.22. pita is 'pain in the a@@@'. See the last post, as i guesed earlier, this is part of an ongoing campaign against the school. I think we might differ on the subject of who is the real bully here![/p][/quote]P.s. have u heard of the term munchausen? (q spelling). Google it, very enlightening. thinklikealocal
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9:13pm Mon 27 Feb 12

BillyTheKid says...

Now what would Our Lady do in a situation like this ? That's what Sister Josephine used to say to me whenever I went to her for advice as a student. I think Our Lady might suggest that an older friend of the child might help her with the cream while a teacher supervised, if there is no school nurse. It doesn't take more than a minute to put cream on an area as small as a child's back, does it ?
Now what would Our Lady do in a situation like this ? That's what Sister Josephine used to say to me whenever I went to her for advice as a student. I think Our Lady might suggest that an older friend of the child might help her with the cream while a teacher supervised, if there is no school nurse. It doesn't take more than a minute to put cream on an area as small as a child's back, does it ? BillyTheKid
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9:25pm Mon 27 Feb 12

opera phantom says...

This PC world gets more stupid by
the day. A few years back my
Brother in Law who was a teacher
went to put a plaster on a little
girl's grazed arm and was given
a right dressing down, because
his actions were classed as being
most inappropriate.
He was told off again when he
told the Head Mistress that the
world had gone b....y crazy
This PC world gets more stupid by the day. A few years back my Brother in Law who was a teacher went to put a plaster on a little girl's grazed arm and was given a right dressing down, because his actions were classed as being most inappropriate. He was told off again when he told the Head Mistress that the world had gone b....y crazy opera phantom
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10:31pm Mon 27 Feb 12

mrs H AC says...

How sad that in our schools we cannot apply cream which is medically essential,but our underage daughters can have contraceptive inplants without the parents knowledge!
How sad that in our schools we cannot apply cream which is medically essential,but our underage daughters can have contraceptive inplants without the parents knowledge! mrs H AC
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8:08am Tue 28 Feb 12

loosehead says...

mrs H AC wrote:
How sad that in our schools we cannot apply cream which is medically essential,but our underage daughters can have contraceptive inplants without the parents knowledge!
Was the implant done by a teacher? these are two separate cases & you shouldn't mix them up! There are many people in favour & many people against the implanting but this was done by a medically qualified person(s) the creme application was to be done or expected to be done by a non medically qualified person & this makes the two cases totally separate so plea`se don't merge the two cases!
[quote][p][bold]mrs H AC[/bold] wrote: How sad that in our schools we cannot apply cream which is medically essential,but our underage daughters can have contraceptive inplants without the parents knowledge![/p][/quote]Was the implant done by a teacher? these are two separate cases & you shouldn't mix them up! There are many people in favour & many people against the implanting but this was done by a medically qualified person(s) the creme application was to be done or expected to be done by a non medically qualified person & this makes the two cases totally separate so plea`se don't merge the two cases! loosehead
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9:15am Tue 28 Feb 12

miakiten says...

I find your comment disgusting. Mothers normally have to work to help support their families one wage comming in isn't enough any more and women are considered by many to be lazy if they don't work and raise children at the same time.
I find your comment disgusting. Mothers normally have to work to help support their families one wage comming in isn't enough any more and women are considered by many to be lazy if they don't work and raise children at the same time. miakiten
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10:36am Tue 28 Feb 12

bigfella777 says...

When I was in junior school if you didn't bring your PE kit you had to do it in your pants, how things have changed.
When I was in junior school if you didn't bring your PE kit you had to do it in your pants, how things have changed. bigfella777
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10:51am Tue 28 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??
[quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones![/p][/quote]i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work?? kwebb24
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11:39am Tue 28 Feb 12

nedscrumpo says...

In Loco Parentis..so apply the cream.
In Loco Parentis..so apply the cream. nedscrumpo
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1:27pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Niel says...

bish,bash,bosh,tosh wrote:
I am sure that the school has teachers who are trained for first aid and they are all CRB checked. You have this case, then at the other extreme, you have the contracteptive implants being administered at schools on thirteen year old girls without parents/gp's consent at all.
Don't take a CRB to mean that a person is "SAFE", far from it, it means nothing of the sort. It's a 'snap-shot' of KNOWN history, those yet to be caught can have a CRB clean bill of health, yet may have been abusing for YEARS!!!
[quote][p][bold]bish,bash,bosh,tosh[/bold] wrote: I am sure that the school has teachers who are trained for first aid and they are all CRB checked. You have this case, then at the other extreme, you have the contracteptive implants being administered at schools on thirteen year old girls without parents/gp's consent at all.[/p][/quote]Don't take a CRB to mean that a person is "SAFE", far from it, it means nothing of the sort. It's a 'snap-shot' of KNOWN history, those yet to be caught can have a CRB clean bill of health, yet may have been abusing for YEARS!!! Niel
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2:25pm Tue 28 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
pod wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......
I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.
I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.
if in fact i was abusing my child would she look the way she does on her photo would she have bruises? cuts? etc............ im trying to get the schools to change their policys not just wis but other schools as well!!! this is not a form off child abuse!!!! i think you may find if you read another article the mother who held a knife to her 7 year old daughters throat is a child abuser!!!!! i WILL NOT sit back and read this utter c**p about me and my child do you not have better things to do rather then sit here and have a go at me because if it was your child im sure you would have something to say about this wouldnt you!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......[/p][/quote]I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.[/p][/quote]I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.[/p][/quote]if in fact i was abusing my child would she look the way she does on her photo would she have bruises? cuts? etc............ im trying to get the schools to change their policys not just wis but other schools as well!!! this is not a form off child abuse!!!! i think you may find if you read another article the mother who held a knife to her 7 year old daughters throat is a child abuser!!!!! i WILL NOT sit back and read this utter c**p about me and my child do you not have better things to do rather then sit here and have a go at me because if it was your child im sure you would have something to say about this wouldnt you!!!! kwebb24
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9:23pm Tue 28 Feb 12

loosehead says...

kwebb24 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
pod wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......
I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.
I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.
if in fact i was abusing my child would she look the way she does on her photo would she have bruises? cuts? etc............ im trying to get the schools to change their policys not just wis but other schools as well!!! this is not a form off child abuse!!!! i think you may find if you read another article the mother who held a knife to her 7 year old daughters throat is a child abuser!!!!! i WILL NOT sit back and read this utter c**p about me and my child do you not have better things to do rather then sit here and have a go at me because if it was your child im sure you would have something to say about this wouldnt you!!!!
Sorry if it was my child I wouldn't be plastering her face in the echo.
you did that so you should accept all the comments.
Why did you accuse this same school a year before?
Do you work?
Be a good mum go in a apply the cream yourself or ask/arrange for the nurse in the doctors surgery to apply it every day if it's become to much for you to do.
then ask the school if they could escort YOUR daughter across the road to the surgery & explain to them why you can't do it
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: Kwebb24 You are busy thanking people for their support but that has certainly not been universal amongst people posting on here. You say you are visiting the school every day but have a younger child! So what! You also virtually accuse the shool of killing your child through negligence previously. Why on earth then would you want them medically intervening for your child when you can do it yourself? Who was prosecuted/sacked for nearly killing your child? I suspect there is a lot more to this but the school of course don't have a fair right of reply. I also think splashing a picture of your child on the front page of the local paper with details of her medical conditions and treatment regime is a form of child abuse but I'm sure you think your right and everyone else is wrong......[/p][/quote]I do not think it is fair or appropriate to fling the term child abuse around this story. If you want someone to rant at, I suggest you go to the other article in this paper where the real child abuse is going on, or do you just see this mum as fair game? because if that is correct then you are practising a form of bullying.[/p][/quote]I'm not flinging the term around, i actually believe that to be the case. As my post said, a form of child abuse, there are many. Do i see this mum as fair game? NO. She chose to go public, no doubt thinking that all would share her 'poor little me' mentality. Well i don't. I am very sorry for her child for having this horrible condition, which can be exacerbated by stress. There will be plenty of that in the playground tomorrow thanks to this mum's thoughtless headline grabbing behaviour.[/p][/quote]if in fact i was abusing my child would she look the way she does on her photo would she have bruises? cuts? etc............ im trying to get the schools to change their policys not just wis but other schools as well!!! this is not a form off child abuse!!!! i think you may find if you read another article the mother who held a knife to her 7 year old daughters throat is a child abuser!!!!! i WILL NOT sit back and read this utter c**p about me and my child do you not have better things to do rather then sit here and have a go at me because if it was your child im sure you would have something to say about this wouldnt you!!!![/p][/quote]Sorry if it was my child I wouldn't be plastering her face in the echo. you did that so you should accept all the comments. Why did you accuse this same school a year before? Do you work? Be a good mum go in a apply the cream yourself or ask/arrange for the nurse in the doctors surgery to apply it every day if it's become to much for you to do. then ask the school if they could escort YOUR daughter across the road to the surgery & explain to them why you can't do it loosehead
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11:39pm Tue 28 Feb 12

cantthinkofone says...

Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).
Society isn't like that, and our legal system is nothing like the4 US'. The concept of 'reasonableness' is central to the English legal system, and if the parents authorised the staff to apply the cream then there would be zero chance of any problems.

The Daily Mail would have you believe otherwise of course, but happily it's codswallop.
[quote][p][bold]Bazil Brush[/bold] wrote: I completely agree with the school's decision!! This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'. Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive. If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more. I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).[/p][/quote]Society isn't like that, and our legal system is nothing like the4 US'. The concept of 'reasonableness' is central to the English legal system, and if the parents authorised the staff to apply the cream then there would be zero chance of any problems. The Daily Mail would have you believe otherwise of course, but happily it's codswallop. cantthinkofone
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12:14am Wed 29 Feb 12

BillyTheKid says...

bigfella777 wrote:
When I was in junior school if you didn't bring your PE kit you had to do it in your pants, how things have changed.
Do what in your pants ? lol !
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: When I was in junior school if you didn't bring your PE kit you had to do it in your pants, how things have changed.[/p][/quote]Do what in your pants ? lol ! BillyTheKid
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7:39am Wed 29 Feb 12

loosehead says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Bazil Brush wrote:
I completely agree with the school's decision!!

This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'.

Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive.

If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more.

I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).
Society isn't like that, and our legal system is nothing like the4 US'. The concept of 'reasonableness' is central to the English legal system, and if the parents authorised the staff to apply the cream then there would be zero chance of any problems.

The Daily Mail would have you believe otherwise of course, but happily it's codswallop.
You just don't get it!
This lady has already accused the school of trying to kill her child.
If a teacher applies the cream & this woman cries child abuse that's it for the teacher! found innocent still on the sex register would you take the risk when you know what this mum had already accused the school of?
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazil Brush[/bold] wrote: I completely agree with the school's decision!! This has nothing to do directly with the 'PC Brigade' in as such as the school is trying to be politically correct. In fact, the school is trying to protect itself from the 'PC Brigade'. Sadly, we live in a society of litigation, accusation and political correctness. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is. The school are merely trying to protect their staff from unwelcome accusations which they could very realistically receive. If the school hadn't said no to this, then a few weeks or months down the line, the headlines may be reading ' Teachers accused of touching pupil inappropriately '- in which case everyone would be up in arms claiming our children aren't safe any more. I wish society wasn't like this, but I am a realist ( and soon to be an emigrant ).[/p][/quote]Society isn't like that, and our legal system is nothing like the4 US'. The concept of 'reasonableness' is central to the English legal system, and if the parents authorised the staff to apply the cream then there would be zero chance of any problems. The Daily Mail would have you believe otherwise of course, but happily it's codswallop.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it! This lady has already accused the school of trying to kill her child. If a teacher applies the cream & this woman cries child abuse that's it for the teacher! found innocent still on the sex register would you take the risk when you know what this mum had already accused the school of? loosehead
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12:22pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Saintade says...

Would just like to add a note to Leah's mum - a work colleague of min has a young son who suffered terribly from all-over eczema, and she got a water softener installed and the eczema sompletely disappeared on her son. There has been a web article all about it. I am 52 and have suffered from eczema all my life and she recommended this treatment as we have very hard water down here in Hampshire. I had a softener fitted last year and immediately (within days) my skin recovered and I have not used any creams or had any eczema at all since the installation. I can categorically recommend that water softening, coupled with 100% pure shampoo, conditioner and soap actually works. I do not work for a water softening company by the way!
Would just like to add a note to Leah's mum - a work colleague of min has a young son who suffered terribly from all-over eczema, and she got a water softener installed and the eczema sompletely disappeared on her son. There has been a web article all about it. I am 52 and have suffered from eczema all my life and she recommended this treatment as we have very hard water down here in Hampshire. I had a softener fitted last year and immediately (within days) my skin recovered and I have not used any creams or had any eczema at all since the installation. I can categorically recommend that water softening, coupled with 100% pure shampoo, conditioner and soap actually works. I do not work for a water softening company by the way! Saintade
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12:48pm Wed 29 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

Saintade wrote:
Would just like to add a note to Leah's mum - a work colleague of min has a young son who suffered terribly from all-over eczema, and she got a water softener installed and the eczema sompletely disappeared on her son. There has been a web article all about it. I am 52 and have suffered from eczema all my life and she recommended this treatment as we have very hard water down here in Hampshire. I had a softener fitted last year and immediately (within days) my skin recovered and I have not used any creams or had any eczema at all since the installation. I can categorically recommend that water softening, coupled with 100% pure shampoo, conditioner and soap actually works. I do not work for a water softening company by the way!
thank you i will look into this
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Would just like to add a note to Leah's mum - a work colleague of min has a young son who suffered terribly from all-over eczema, and she got a water softener installed and the eczema sompletely disappeared on her son. There has been a web article all about it. I am 52 and have suffered from eczema all my life and she recommended this treatment as we have very hard water down here in Hampshire. I had a softener fitted last year and immediately (within days) my skin recovered and I have not used any creams or had any eczema at all since the installation. I can categorically recommend that water softening, coupled with 100% pure shampoo, conditioner and soap actually works. I do not work for a water softening company by the way![/p][/quote]thank you i will look into this kwebb24
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7:42pm Wed 29 Feb 12

kwebb24 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
i hope you are not saying my sister is also mistreating her child. with everything you have said about to prevent the skin condition getting worse. i am to a suffer of the skin condition my sister has and is doing everything she can for her child she eats all the right things and is following what the doctors and the consultants are saying from the hospital. the problem is in the genes and runs through the female side of the family. how can people comment about my sister when they dont know her they dont know how hard she is trying to get this sorted out for her child i can understand from both sides the school and my sister is not neglecting her child in anyway as a parent their is only so much you can do and their for should not be judeged by others most of the time parents will always know what is best for their child and i to understand that there are parents who do neglect their children but my sister is not one of them.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]i hope you are not saying my sister is also mistreating her child. with everything you have said about to prevent the skin condition getting worse. i am to a suffer of the skin condition my sister has and is doing everything she can for her child she eats all the right things and is following what the doctors and the consultants are saying from the hospital. the problem is in the genes and runs through the female side of the family. how can people comment about my sister when they dont know her they dont know how hard she is trying to get this sorted out for her child i can understand from both sides the school and my sister is not neglecting her child in anyway as a parent their is only so much you can do and their for should not be judeged by others most of the time parents will always know what is best for their child and i to understand that there are parents who do neglect their children but my sister is not one of them. kwebb24
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9:10pm Wed 29 Feb 12

loosehead says...

kwebb24 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more.
They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all.
I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop.
Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is.
From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.
i hope you are not saying my sister is also mistreating her child. with everything you have said about to prevent the skin condition getting worse. i am to a suffer of the skin condition my sister has and is doing everything she can for her child she eats all the right things and is following what the doctors and the consultants are saying from the hospital. the problem is in the genes and runs through the female side of the family. how can people comment about my sister when they dont know her they dont know how hard she is trying to get this sorted out for her child i can understand from both sides the school and my sister is not neglecting her child in anyway as a parent their is only so much you can do and their for should not be judeged by others most of the time parents will always know what is best for their child and i to understand that there are parents who do neglect their children but my sister is not one of them.
So why doesn't she try coming to an arrangement with the doctors surgery over the road?
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Its sounds like this poor child's condition is being mistreated from start to finish. Applying cream constantly is not the answer especially if its a topical steroid as this will thin and dry the skin even more. They need to find the trigger that is causing it. To start with cut out dairy, any wheat products (ie bread) no sweets,no squash,no processed food or anything with E numbers in it. Special sensitive washing powder needs to be bought as well,it is also very important that no pets are near her at all. I would suggest keeping her home for a week,removing all the possible triggers and then applying the steroid cream and a coating of white soft paraffin and liquid paraffin 50/50 mix available from chemists,this stops the steroid cracking the skin and lets new skin develop. Keep her dressed in loose clothing do not let her scratch.Put her in the moisturising bath oil every morning with warm water,then reapply the cream/paraffin treatments,After 4 days she should be cured.You will then need to have patch tests to find what the trigger is. From someone who has defeated eczema for the last 30 years.[/p][/quote]i hope you are not saying my sister is also mistreating her child. with everything you have said about to prevent the skin condition getting worse. i am to a suffer of the skin condition my sister has and is doing everything she can for her child she eats all the right things and is following what the doctors and the consultants are saying from the hospital. the problem is in the genes and runs through the female side of the family. how can people comment about my sister when they dont know her they dont know how hard she is trying to get this sorted out for her child i can understand from both sides the school and my sister is not neglecting her child in anyway as a parent their is only so much you can do and their for should not be judeged by others most of the time parents will always know what is best for their child and i to understand that there are parents who do neglect their children but my sister is not one of them.[/p][/quote]So why doesn't she try coming to an arrangement with the doctors surgery over the road? loosehead
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10:14pm Wed 29 Feb 12

wizard says...

kwebb24 wrote:
wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??
Ahh I see your up to your usual bullying antics as you do to the teachers in the school! thing is you dont bother me, so as I said before get your own backside up the school, and STOP expecting a teacher or any other member of staff for that matter rubbing cream into your daughter, And its about time you told the whole truth dont you think?
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones![/p][/quote]i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??[/p][/quote]Ahh I see your up to your usual bullying antics as you do to the teachers in the school! thing is you dont bother me, so as I said before get your own backside up the school, and STOP expecting a teacher or any other member of staff for that matter rubbing cream into your daughter, And its about time you told the whole truth dont you think? wizard
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11:53pm Wed 29 Feb 12

BillyTheKid says...

Well, after reading all this, I realise where script writers of soaps get all their ideas and characters from. Instead of television becoming more lifelike, life is becoming more like television.
Well, after reading all this, I realise where script writers of soaps get all their ideas and characters from. Instead of television becoming more lifelike, life is becoming more like television. BillyTheKid
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7:28am Thu 1 Mar 12

loosehead says...

wizard wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
wizard wrote:
Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??
Ahh I see your up to your usual bullying antics as you do to the teachers in the school! thing is you dont bother me, so as I said before get your own backside up the school, and STOP expecting a teacher or any other member of staff for that matter rubbing cream into your daughter, And its about time you told the whole truth dont you think?
Well I'm not working but I get a private pension & I pay taxes so in effect I'm paying for her if she has no partner & she has two kids
So I think I should be able to comment on someone I'm supporting financially.
usually Wizard you know your getting to them when they write replies like that from Kwebb24
[quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: Why are the Echo deleting comments!! let the truth previal echo, people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones![/p][/quote]i find you quite funny you give me crap on here under a name i dont know yet you do not say to my face????? you clearly dont know me or you would know the situation wouldnt you?? you say people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones???? but with a mouth like yours im guessing your more than likely in a little "clique" yourself and what are you doing whilst commenting about watching jeremy karl ???? you clearly have time to sit here and comment about me do you work??[/p][/quote]Ahh I see your up to your usual bullying antics as you do to the teachers in the school! thing is you dont bother me, so as I said before get your own backside up the school, and STOP expecting a teacher or any other member of staff for that matter rubbing cream into your daughter, And its about time you told the whole truth dont you think?[/p][/quote]Well I'm not working but I get a private pension & I pay taxes so in effect I'm paying for her if she has no partner & she has two kids So I think I should be able to comment on someone I'm supporting financially. usually Wizard you know your getting to them when they write replies like that from Kwebb24 loosehead
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11:47am Thu 1 Mar 12

kwebb24 says...

I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye kwebb24
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3:19pm Thu 1 Mar 12

loosehead says...

kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
[quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility? loosehead
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9:54pm Thu 1 Mar 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility?[/p][/quote]Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts. But then that is your purpose here. Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately. Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know. The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices. BillyTheKid
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7:27am Fri 2 Mar 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.
Well here's one for you.
Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind,
you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press.
She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed.
& Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child?
are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream?
If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream.
My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring?
I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility?[/p][/quote]Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts. But then that is your purpose here. Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately. Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know. The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.[/p][/quote]Well here's one for you. Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind, you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press. She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed. & Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child? are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream? If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream. My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring? I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these loosehead
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12:18pm Fri 2 Mar 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.
Well here's one for you.
Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind,
you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press.
She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed.
& Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child?
are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream?
If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream.
My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring?
I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these
I really am very sorry if your life experiences have been bad. But having spent 25 years as a teacher, I have met many children and parents with seriously troubled lives, far worse than anything I've read about here.
Something I and my colleagues never did was to scorn them, insult them, and generally provoke them. The idea was to try to sympathise, advise, and help to improve the situation, whether they were to blame or not for their circumstances.
With only the Echo's take on the subject, and lone attempts by the people involved (who often have communication difficulties) to explain or defend themselves, no one should feel they know enough to make a judgement.
There is a world of difference between making observations, and launching all-out verbal attacks.
You are lucky that you have the strength of character and integrity to know what to do when problems surround you, but do you have to stamp on those who don't ?
What is wrong with giving people the benefit of your advice without condemning them ?
I have read all of your recent posts, and most of them shake with anger, bitterness and despair. Unfortunately, the tone and attitude you adopt masks some of the very good points you make.
Surely it would be better if people reading these columns said "Oh, loosehead's written something, that might be interesting to read" rather than "Loosehead - oh not that miserable so-and-so again. Not bothering with that."
I hope you don't feel you don't care. You must care otherwise you would not feel so strongly about posting here.
None of this is my business, but one or two of you cannot be far from being blocked from this website for harrassment of other users. It just isn't necessary.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility?[/p][/quote]Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts. But then that is your purpose here. Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately. Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know. The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.[/p][/quote]Well here's one for you. Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind, you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press. She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed. & Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child? are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream? If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream. My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring? I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these[/p][/quote]I really am very sorry if your life experiences have been bad. But having spent 25 years as a teacher, I have met many children and parents with seriously troubled lives, far worse than anything I've read about here. Something I and my colleagues never did was to scorn them, insult them, and generally provoke them. The idea was to try to sympathise, advise, and help to improve the situation, whether they were to blame or not for their circumstances. With only the Echo's take on the subject, and lone attempts by the people involved (who often have communication difficulties) to explain or defend themselves, no one should feel they know enough to make a judgement. There is a world of difference between making observations, and launching all-out verbal attacks. You are lucky that you have the strength of character and integrity to know what to do when problems surround you, but do you have to stamp on those who don't ? What is wrong with giving people the benefit of your advice without condemning them ? I have read all of your recent posts, and most of them shake with anger, bitterness and despair. Unfortunately, the tone and attitude you adopt masks some of the very good points you make. Surely it would be better if people reading these columns said "Oh, loosehead's written something, that might be interesting to read" rather than "Loosehead - oh not that miserable so-and-so again. Not bothering with that." I hope you don't feel you don't care. You must care otherwise you would not feel so strongly about posting here. None of this is my business, but one or two of you cannot be far from being blocked from this website for harrassment of other users. It just isn't necessary. BillyTheKid
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1:59pm Fri 2 Mar 12

Piratesrock says...

Why is this such an issue. Get a video camera, record any time a student is touched. Help the little girl with her problem! I understand many people have been wrongly accused, many rightly so. All her mother wants is a little help. If the treatment is wrong then hold the doctor responsible. It isn't easy getting allergy tested, apparently it is very rarely done. I did want to say that the headteachers comment "we would help the child to administer it themselves under our supervision" doesn't even make sense, how are they helping her by supervising her and not physically touching her? Helping usually means actually assisting, doesn't it? In this case it would mean they would have to touch her.
Why is this such an issue. Get a video camera, record any time a student is touched. Help the little girl with her problem! I understand many people have been wrongly accused, many rightly so. All her mother wants is a little help. If the treatment is wrong then hold the doctor responsible. It isn't easy getting allergy tested, apparently it is very rarely done. I did want to say that the headteachers comment "we would help the child to administer it themselves under our supervision" doesn't even make sense, how are they helping her by supervising her and not physically touching her? Helping usually means actually assisting, doesn't it? In this case it would mean they would have to touch her. Piratesrock
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4:11pm Fri 2 Mar 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
loosehead wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts.

But then that is your purpose here.

Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately.

Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know.

The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.
Well here's one for you.
Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind,
you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press.
She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed.
& Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child?
are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream?
If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream.
My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring?
I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these
I really am very sorry if your life experiences have been bad. But having spent 25 years as a teacher, I have met many children and parents with seriously troubled lives, far worse than anything I've read about here.
Something I and my colleagues never did was to scorn them, insult them, and generally provoke them. The idea was to try to sympathise, advise, and help to improve the situation, whether they were to blame or not for their circumstances.
With only the Echo's take on the subject, and lone attempts by the people involved (who often have communication difficulties) to explain or defend themselves, no one should feel they know enough to make a judgement.
There is a world of difference between making observations, and launching all-out verbal attacks.
You are lucky that you have the strength of character and integrity to know what to do when problems surround you, but do you have to stamp on those who don't ?
What is wrong with giving people the benefit of your advice without condemning them ?
I have read all of your recent posts, and most of them shake with anger, bitterness and despair. Unfortunately, the tone and attitude you adopt masks some of the very good points you make.
Surely it would be better if people reading these columns said "Oh, loosehead's written something, that might be interesting to read" rather than "Loosehead - oh not that miserable so-and-so again. Not bothering with that."
I hope you don't feel you don't care. You must care otherwise you would not feel so strongly about posting here.
None of this is my business, but one or two of you cannot be far from being blocked from this website for harrassment of other users. It just isn't necessary.
Why would I be blocked?
I believe in people doing things for themselves.I believe in families looking out for each other. I believe if you have a child you do everything for that child.
I don't believe in accusing a school of trying to kill your child & then a year later going to the press because the said school refuses to administer medicine.
I would have done this myself if I wasn't working & Billy many people who know this lady have been here biggest critics
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility?[/p][/quote]Loosehead......what are you doing ? kwebb24 clearly has difficulty expressing herself, and all you can do is sadistically mock her efforts. But then that is your purpose here. Despite her spelling mistakes and grammar problems, she has neverless summed you and your troll friends up most accurately. Her daughter has serious eczema, and she wants the school to help. Nothing unreasonable in that, as well you know. The only thing she is doing wrong now is taking any notice of your vindictive verbal attacks, and those of your accomplices.[/p][/quote]Well here's one for you. Bleeding heart brigade comes to mind, you argue on the side of a lazy couple who can't be bothered to clean their home, they fight with each other they threaten their children with knives then you get on the bandwagon & support a woman who has gone to the press. She left herself open to criticism I didn't or anyone else didn't ask her to get her story printed. & Billythekid this so called unfortunate picked on woman is the same one who made accusations about the school trying to kill her child? are you so into defending life's dregs that you would be willing to go to the school & put on the cream? If I had a child like this one & I never worked I would organise with the school to be able to go in & apply the cream. My child my responsibility why do you defend people who can't be bothered to do it for themselves or find it hard work looking after their own offspring? I come from a background of a mother who couldn't be bothered to go & visit her own son in hospital as she would have to go without a fag so please don't bring your bleeding heart to me & I will slag down parents like these[/p][/quote]I really am very sorry if your life experiences have been bad. But having spent 25 years as a teacher, I have met many children and parents with seriously troubled lives, far worse than anything I've read about here. Something I and my colleagues never did was to scorn them, insult them, and generally provoke them. The idea was to try to sympathise, advise, and help to improve the situation, whether they were to blame or not for their circumstances. With only the Echo's take on the subject, and lone attempts by the people involved (who often have communication difficulties) to explain or defend themselves, no one should feel they know enough to make a judgement. There is a world of difference between making observations, and launching all-out verbal attacks. You are lucky that you have the strength of character and integrity to know what to do when problems surround you, but do you have to stamp on those who don't ? What is wrong with giving people the benefit of your advice without condemning them ? I have read all of your recent posts, and most of them shake with anger, bitterness and despair. Unfortunately, the tone and attitude you adopt masks some of the very good points you make. Surely it would be better if people reading these columns said "Oh, loosehead's written something, that might be interesting to read" rather than "Loosehead - oh not that miserable so-and-so again. Not bothering with that." I hope you don't feel you don't care. You must care otherwise you would not feel so strongly about posting here. None of this is my business, but one or two of you cannot be far from being blocked from this website for harrassment of other users. It just isn't necessary.[/p][/quote]Why would I be blocked? I believe in people doing things for themselves.I believe in families looking out for each other. I believe if you have a child you do everything for that child. I don't believe in accusing a school of trying to kill your child & then a year later going to the press because the said school refuses to administer medicine. I would have done this myself if I wasn't working & Billy many people who know this lady have been here biggest critics loosehead
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8:15pm Fri 2 Mar 12

BillyTheKid says...

loosehead wrote:
kwebb24 wrote:
I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye
Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work?
what scores did she get?
Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER?
I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs?
67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you?
Your all that's wrong with this country now.
you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it.
do you or your partner work?
if you don't why can't you do it?
don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children?
Or is that every one else's responsibility?
Bombarding this woman, who clearly has communication difficulties, with quick-fire rhetoric, direct insults, and a lot of questions that are none of anyone's business is harrassment. Don't take my word for it : submit your piece above to the editor, or a solicitor, and see what they say.
All I'm saying is if we don't like someone's behaviour, being confrontational won't help.
Not everyone is capable of taking full responsibility for their actions and beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwebb24[/bold] wrote: I have told the truth and really wizard bullying antics that is what u r doing here behind a computar screen u all make me sick as for.the 67% that agree the school is wrong thanks enough said im done and will continue tofight to bring the school nurs as for you lot sit amongst yourselfs on your computars behind a name thats not truley yours because your too ashamed and act like wannabe trolls enjoy the rest off lifes doing nothing godbye[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Have you been assisting your daughter with her home work? what scores did she get? Have you got a spelling check on your COMPUTER? I go to see a nurse what in heavens name is a nurs? 67% say the schools wrong? did you accuse them of trying to kill your daughter? if you had how many would agree with you? Your all that's wrong with this country now. you have the time to do it yourself but expect everyone else to do it. do you or your partner work? if you don't why can't you do it? don't have a partner? if not who pays for the upkeep of you & your two children? Or is that every one else's responsibility?[/p][/quote]Bombarding this woman, who clearly has communication difficulties, with quick-fire rhetoric, direct insults, and a lot of questions that are none of anyone's business is harrassment. Don't take my word for it : submit your piece above to the editor, or a solicitor, and see what they say. All I'm saying is if we don't like someone's behaviour, being confrontational won't help. Not everyone is capable of taking full responsibility for their actions and beliefs. BillyTheKid
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