Pensioner injured in mobility scooter hit-and-run

Daily Echo: Pensioner injured in mobility scooter hit-and-run Pensioner injured in mobility scooter hit-and-run

“IT was like being hit by a bus.” That was the description Eileen Butt, 90, gave after she was mowed down by a mobility scooter.

The pensioner was walking along the pavement in Hamble Lane with two friends when a scooter rider came “out of the blue” and hit them all from behind.

Mrs Butt was pushed to the ground, fell on to her face and suffered severe head and facial injuries. But even though she required hospital treatment, the mobility scooter rider who had knocked her over drove off before an ambulance arrived and did not leave her details.

Mrs Butt said it was left to the landlord and pubgoers at the Whyte Harte Pub to help her and her friends – who had also been hurt in the incident.

Mrs Butt explained: “We were walking along the pavement, three in a line, and it just came out of the blue. It was as if a bus had driven straight into my back. I’ll never forget the sensation.

“We landed on the ground and she came over to us and said: ‘Sorry, didn’t you hear my hooter?’ “I was completely knocked out for a couple of seconds.

“Thank goodness it happened outside the pub – they picked us up and took us inside and got us cups of tea. The driver came in the pub afterwards and she just said: ‘Who’s paying for those teas?’ and walked out again.

“She never even said sorry – we could not believe it,” said the pensioner who has black eyes and a bruise the size of an orange on her head.

Mrs Butt says police are investigating – but she is now worried about going out, in case something similar happens again.

The incident has raised the question of the safety of mobility scooters – and whether or not users should undertake compulsory training or even a formal test if they do not possess a driving licence.

David Livermore, chairman of mobility scooter rambling group Hampshire Roamability, believes that there could be a case for some sort of assessment – if people have never driven before.

He said: “I think some people certainly need an assessment and a little bit more guidance on how to control the scooter and a bit of road sense – because if you haven’t driven before you haven’t got that road sense. I don’t know if that should be a compulsory test or just a bit more guidance and supervision.”

Mobility scooters in law are limited to 4mph on the pavement and must have a speed restrictor fitted to them – but Mr Livermore says it is a rule that is occasionally broken by some users.

He said: “People going above 4mph on the pavement is a potential problem but it is up to scooter users to be responsible.

“The law is clear, but you always get people who will abuse any rules – just like you get cyclists who cycle on the pavement.”

It is an issue that has been looked into by the Government for several years – with a consultation in 2010 asking people if they would support measures such as mandatory training and eye tests.

Taken for a ride

Daily Echo reporter Martyn Hannah took to the streets to get first hand experience of riding a mobility scooter around Southampton.
Read more here.

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA) say figures are not compiled for the number of injuries caused by mobility scooters – but anecdotal evidence suggests it is a problem.

A spokesman said: “We occasionally receive calls from people concerned about being nearly knocked down by mobility scooters, and although these calls are relatively low in number, they do occur regularly.

“Usually, the complaint is that the mobility scooter user appeared to lack the ability to use their scooter safely, or was not showing any consideration for other people.

“Mobility scooters are used as vehicles, whether on the road or the pavement, and have the potential, if misused, to cause injury or even death.”

Given the lack of figures, the society has fallen short of calling for tighter regulations on those that use mobility scooters – but has said that road traffic laws, particularly those concerning dangerous and drink-driving, should apply to riders.

This week the Government’s transport minister, Norman Baker, said that there are no current plans for drastic changes to the law. However, the idea of training and mandatory eye tests for users of the more powerful mobility scooters is being considered.

He said: “I intend to convene a meeting of interested parties to review the available evidence and options, including matters relating to insurance and the use of specialist training providers.

“I am conscious of the crucial role such vehicles play in some people’s lives and that will be an important factor in deciding what further actions, if any, to take.”

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1:00pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...
What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week... The Salv
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1:13pm Mon 5 Mar 12

nedscrumpo says...

The Salv wrote:
What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...
The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...[/p][/quote]The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders. nedscrumpo
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1:25pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
The Salv wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...
The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.
Do you want to live in a Nanny state? Whilst we are at it make all people where a CCTV camera at all times!
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...[/p][/quote]The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.[/p][/quote]Do you want to live in a Nanny state? Whilst we are at it make all people where a CCTV camera at all times! The Salv
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1:28pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

Actually on second reading of this I saw that it was Hamble Lane. There is this guy thats well known for going to the Hamble pubs for a few and then whizzing home on is electric scooter to avoid the drink driving charge!
Actually on second reading of this I saw that it was Hamble Lane. There is this guy thats well known for going to the Hamble pubs for a few and then whizzing home on is electric scooter to avoid the drink driving charge! The Salv
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1:37pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Higginz says...

I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane.
I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane. Higginz
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1:40pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

The Salv wrote:
Actually on second reading of this I saw that it was Hamble Lane. There is this guy thats well known for going to the Hamble pubs for a few and then whizzing home on is electric scooter to avoid the drink driving charge!
On 3rd reading of it now... it was a woman!
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: Actually on second reading of this I saw that it was Hamble Lane. There is this guy thats well known for going to the Hamble pubs for a few and then whizzing home on is electric scooter to avoid the drink driving charge![/p][/quote]On 3rd reading of it now... it was a woman! The Salv
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1:46pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Chronicle says...

Would have been safer in a lego car!
Would have been safer in a lego car! The Chronicle
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1:52pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

The Salv wrote:
nedscrumpo wrote:
The Salv wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...
The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.
Do you want to live in a Nanny state? Whilst we are at it make all people where a CCTV camera at all times!
*wear
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...[/p][/quote]The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.[/p][/quote]Do you want to live in a Nanny state? Whilst we are at it make all people where a CCTV camera at all times![/p][/quote]*wear The Salv
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1:55pm Mon 5 Mar 12

George4th says...

Firstly, I believe that these mobility scooters are Excellent for improving the quality of life for the infirm and disabled. They are NOT for fat people to get around or alcohol drinkers to go to the pub and drink over the limit!
Secondly, the law currently does not require owners to take out insurance, hold a licence or to pass a proficiency test of any kind - this is wrong! Owners should take a test, hold a licence and most definitely take out insurance.
Thirdly, I would introduce a 4mph limit on pavements and on retail premises (incl. Supermarket car parks) and an 8mph on the roads (if allowed on the roads!). I would also introduce some form of road tax from which the genuinely infirm or disabled would be exempt.
Firstly, I believe that these mobility scooters are Excellent for improving the quality of life for the infirm and disabled. They are NOT for fat people to get around or alcohol drinkers to go to the pub and drink over the limit! Secondly, the law currently does not require owners to take out insurance, hold a licence or to pass a proficiency test of any kind - this is wrong! Owners should take a test, hold a licence and most definitely take out insurance. Thirdly, I would introduce a 4mph limit on pavements and on retail premises (incl. Supermarket car parks) and an 8mph on the roads (if allowed on the roads!). I would also introduce some form of road tax from which the genuinely infirm or disabled would be exempt. George4th
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1:58pm Mon 5 Mar 12

mike80 says...

This is actually quite shocking... mobility scooters are a menace when they are not operated with consideration to other pedestrians.

I think eye examinations and proficiency tests should be mandatory for any vehicle.

Referring to another post about the type of people driving these things - it is a miracle some have the power to move at all! One in WestQuay the other day was audible groaning for mercy!

In all fairness though - the majority of these scooters are driven with care and consideration - once again it is the selfish, inconsiderate and ultimately vile section of society who are tarnishing all drivers with the same mucky brush!

If the woman in question cannot control a mobility scooter... TAKE THE **** THING OFF HER!
This is actually quite shocking... mobility scooters are a menace when they are not operated with consideration to other pedestrians. I think eye examinations and proficiency tests should be mandatory for any vehicle. Referring to another post about the type of people driving these things - it is a miracle some have the power to move at all! One in WestQuay the other day was audible groaning for mercy! In all fairness though - the majority of these scooters are driven with care and consideration - once again it is the selfish, inconsiderate and ultimately vile section of society who are tarnishing all drivers with the same mucky brush! If the woman in question cannot control a mobility scooter... TAKE THE **** THING OFF HER! mike80
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2:16pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Smartiepants says...

Higginz wrote:
I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane.
I'd pay good money to see that!
[quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane.[/p][/quote]I'd pay good money to see that! Smartiepants
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2:31pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Shoong says...

In the wrong hands these are a complete menace.

We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things.

I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.

But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.
In the wrong hands these are a complete menace. We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things. I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands. But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties. Shoong
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2:34pm Mon 5 Mar 12

jammyswine says...

Smartiepants wrote:
Higginz wrote: I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane.
I'd pay good money to see that!
With remote control helicopters following and recording so it can be shown on ITV4 at a later date?
[quote][p][bold]Smartiepants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: I imagine dwarf policemen with miniature stingers hiding and waiting in bushes along Hamble Lane.[/p][/quote]I'd pay good money to see that![/p][/quote]With remote control helicopters following and recording so it can be shown on ITV4 at a later date? jammyswine
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2:35pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Donald2000 says...

There are a lot of incidents with mobility scooters. Some years ago one collided with the front wheel of my bicycle writing off both the tyre and the wheel, for which I paid £30.00. I told the person to wait over by Specsavers in Above Bar while I took her details; she beetled off before I could do that, even though she had caused criminal damage and made no attempt to assist me in getting any reparations. Another example is of a certain pensioner who regularly drives his cart into the glass at his block of flats causing thousands of pounds worth of damage and yet getting away with it year on year. If these people keep on causing damage to people and property they should have their carts withdrawn. Its no good saying that these people have freedom to carry on with their mobility scooters while the rest of us have to suffer their selfish antics and criminal damage. Being a pensioner is no legal excuse for being reckless any more than being a young person. We must stop putting these people into a special group and ninny nannying them. If you damage people and property you should be sued and your scooter taken away. Simple.
There are a lot of incidents with mobility scooters. Some years ago one collided with the front wheel of my bicycle writing off both the tyre and the wheel, for which I paid £30.00. I told the person to wait over by Specsavers in Above Bar while I took her details; she beetled off before I could do that, even though she had caused criminal damage and made no attempt to assist me in getting any reparations. Another example is of a certain pensioner who regularly drives his cart into the glass at his block of flats causing thousands of pounds worth of damage and yet getting away with it year on year. If these people keep on causing damage to people and property they should have their carts withdrawn. Its no good saying that these people have freedom to carry on with their mobility scooters while the rest of us have to suffer their selfish antics and criminal damage. Being a pensioner is no legal excuse for being reckless any more than being a young person. We must stop putting these people into a special group and ninny nannying them. If you damage people and property you should be sued and your scooter taken away. Simple. Donald2000
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2:43pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Goldenwight says...

George4th wrote:
Firstly, I believe that these mobility scooters are Excellent for improving the quality of life for the infirm and disabled. They are NOT for fat people to get around or alcohol drinkers to go to the pub and drink over the limit! Secondly, the law currently does not require owners to take out insurance, hold a licence or to pass a proficiency test of any kind - this is wrong! Owners should take a test, hold a licence and most definitely take out insurance. Thirdly, I would introduce a 4mph limit on pavements and on retail premises (incl. Supermarket car parks) and an 8mph on the roads (if allowed on the roads!). I would also introduce some form of road tax from which the genuinely infirm or disabled would be exempt.
There are two types of scooters currently licenced for use in the UK, as I recall.

Type 2 scooters are intended for pavement use only and are limited to 4mph. Type 3 scooters are intended for road use and can go faster. If used on the pavement, they must be limited to 4mph by a built in controller. And everyone uses those, right?

The story is more about taking responsibility- which the driver here clearly didn't.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I believe that these mobility scooters are Excellent for improving the quality of life for the infirm and disabled. They are NOT for fat people to get around or alcohol drinkers to go to the pub and drink over the limit! Secondly, the law currently does not require owners to take out insurance, hold a licence or to pass a proficiency test of any kind - this is wrong! Owners should take a test, hold a licence and most definitely take out insurance. Thirdly, I would introduce a 4mph limit on pavements and on retail premises (incl. Supermarket car parks) and an 8mph on the roads (if allowed on the roads!). I would also introduce some form of road tax from which the genuinely infirm or disabled would be exempt.[/p][/quote]There are two types of scooters currently licenced for use in the UK, as I recall. Type 2 scooters are intended for pavement use only and are limited to 4mph. Type 3 scooters are intended for road use and can go faster. If used on the pavement, they must be limited to 4mph by a built in controller. And everyone uses those, right? The story is more about taking responsibility- which the driver here clearly didn't. Goldenwight
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2:46pm Mon 5 Mar 12

teamgreen says...

didnt take long for the anti bike brigade to have a moan.these scooters should be limited to 4mph and just blow a horn for you to move is just rude.everybody has the right to the pavement so wait in line if you can get fined for riding a cycle or moped or electric scooter on the pavement then so should these mini cars/mobility scooters.
didnt take long for the anti bike brigade to have a moan.these scooters should be limited to 4mph and just blow a horn for you to move is just rude.everybody has the right to the pavement so wait in line if you can get fined for riding a cycle or moped or electric scooter on the pavement then so should these mini cars/mobility scooters. teamgreen
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2:55pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Shoong says...

Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...?
Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...? Shoong
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3:03pm Mon 5 Mar 12

The Salv says...

Shoong wrote:
Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...?
Dont be ridiculous Shoong. It's more like 75mph!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...?[/p][/quote]Dont be ridiculous Shoong. It's more like 75mph! The Salv
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3:05pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Goldenwight says...

Shoong wrote:
Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...?
Are we still allowed to say 'mph' or should we do some maths and say 'km/h' instead?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Is it me or does the picture look like that scooter is doing about 90mph...?[/p][/quote]Are we still allowed to say 'mph' or should we do some maths and say 'km/h' instead? Goldenwight
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3:31pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Geoff Beeze says...

Of course there needs be guidelines and rules for the use of these scooters but I think a test and a licence may be a step too far. Shame to see the editor of this paper getting on such a self righteous high horse about this. But then again what else is new there?
Of course there needs be guidelines and rules for the use of these scooters but I think a test and a licence may be a step too far. Shame to see the editor of this paper getting on such a self righteous high horse about this. But then again what else is new there? Geoff Beeze
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3:31pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Geoff Beeze says...

Of course there needs be guidelines and rules for the use of these scooters but I think a test and a licence may be a step too far. Shame to see the editor of this paper getting on such a self righteous high horse about this. But then again what else is new there?
Of course there needs be guidelines and rules for the use of these scooters but I think a test and a licence may be a step too far. Shame to see the editor of this paper getting on such a self righteous high horse about this. But then again what else is new there? Geoff Beeze
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4:09pm Mon 5 Mar 12

fabcat says...

Regulations imposed must be administered and enforced. That costs money and policing would be almost impossible. If only two types were allowed, road-going and pavement-bound, they could be so visually distinct as to be instantly identifiable - for example a motorised wheelchair for the pavement, a mobility scooter for the road. Tests could be manditory for the road version. Infingement of civil liberty and quite a reduction in freedom, so a bad idea.
Every obstacle you put in place for disabled people is a major hurdle - social services do not meet current standards, let alone improved ones. Budgets are remorselessly cut and used as an excuse to give nothing. I was literally immobile on the floor for over 6 months, unable to move or feed myself - I could not get any help at all, or even DLA. I had a life-threatening operation and the NHS was supposed to provide extra physiotherapy - I got none at all except one visit from an idiot who knew nothing. THAT is the environment in which disabled people operate, so be careful when you judge the vast number of invisible (because house-bound, poor, depressed or just frail) disabled people by the actions of a minority. Also remember that poor mental health afflicts both disabled and able-bodied people, so you must expect some disabled people to be antisocial, just as many able-bodied people are. And perhaps the disabled have more obvious justification for frustration and anger - they are messed about by everybody. Meanwhile, over 60,000 people die a year through fuel poverty in the UK - more than are killed on the roads - so shall we get real? If you want to spend the taxes, target them on need, not mild annoyance. What happened here was wrong, but it is in the paper BECAUSE it is rare. 60,000+ avoidable deaths a year is simply evil.
Regulations imposed must be administered and enforced. That costs money and policing would be almost impossible. If only two types were allowed, road-going and pavement-bound, they could be so visually distinct as to be instantly identifiable - for example a motorised wheelchair for the pavement, a mobility scooter for the road. Tests could be manditory for the road version. Infingement of civil liberty and quite a reduction in freedom, so a bad idea. Every obstacle you put in place for disabled people is a major hurdle - social services do not meet current standards, let alone improved ones. Budgets are remorselessly cut and used as an excuse to give nothing. I was literally immobile on the floor for over 6 months, unable to move or feed myself - I could not get any help at all, or even DLA. I had a life-threatening operation and the NHS was supposed to provide extra physiotherapy - I got none at all except one visit from an idiot who knew nothing. THAT is the environment in which disabled people operate, so be careful when you judge the vast number of invisible (because house-bound, poor, depressed or just frail) disabled people by the actions of a minority. Also remember that poor mental health afflicts both disabled and able-bodied people, so you must expect some disabled people to be antisocial, just as many able-bodied people are. And perhaps the disabled have more obvious justification for frustration and anger - they are messed about by everybody. Meanwhile, over 60,000 people die a year through fuel poverty in the UK - more than are killed on the roads - so shall we get real? If you want to spend the taxes, target them on need, not mild annoyance. What happened here was wrong, but it is in the paper BECAUSE it is rare. 60,000+ avoidable deaths a year is simply evil. fabcat
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4:16pm Mon 5 Mar 12

acid drop says...

I'm afraid that if I was hit by one of these mobility scooters and I was able to get up, the driver would end up wearing the scooter. They are a bloody menace
I'm afraid that if I was hit by one of these mobility scooters and I was able to get up, the driver would end up wearing the scooter. They are a bloody menace acid drop
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4:24pm Mon 5 Mar 12

hantsres says...

I have no issues with people who genuinely need their mobility scooters to give them their freedom and independence.
There does appear to be a minority who abuse their scooters and have no regard for others.
I still remember vividly a mobility scooter nearly hitting my toddler in a shop doorway. It was doing more than 4 M.P.H. I was able to move my child out of the mobility scooters way because I had hold of my child's hand. When I spoke to the rider of the scooter other people started shouting at the scooter rider. The shop keeper told the scooter owner to leave as they often ride dangerously and a customer also did the same saying that they too had had been hit by the scooter. Afterwards this person told me they had severe bruising and a swollen ankle after being struck by the scooter a few weeks earlier and that the scooter rider did not stop.
I hope the lady involved in the story makes a full recovery
I have no issues with people who genuinely need their mobility scooters to give them their freedom and independence. There does appear to be a minority who abuse their scooters and have no regard for others. I still remember vividly a mobility scooter nearly hitting my toddler in a shop doorway. It was doing more than 4 M.P.H. I was able to move my child out of the mobility scooters way because I had hold of my child's hand. When I spoke to the rider of the scooter other people started shouting at the scooter rider. The shop keeper told the scooter owner to leave as they often ride dangerously and a customer also did the same saying that they too had had been hit by the scooter. Afterwards this person told me they had severe bruising and a swollen ankle after being struck by the scooter a few weeks earlier and that the scooter rider did not stop. I hope the lady involved in the story makes a full recovery hantsres
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4:58pm Mon 5 Mar 12

ohec says...

So at the sound of her horn everybody is supposed to jump out of her way, has she not considered the deaf or people using headphones. It's people like her that make it bad for everybody else, we all have to live in this world and a little consideration for ones fellow man / woman goes a long way. I hope all three make a speedy recovery.
So at the sound of her horn everybody is supposed to jump out of her way, has she not considered the deaf or people using headphones. It's people like her that make it bad for everybody else, we all have to live in this world and a little consideration for ones fellow man / woman goes a long way. I hope all three make a speedy recovery. ohec
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5:43pm Mon 5 Mar 12

elvisimo says...

In Woolston you often get a whole herd of them outside the Co Op drinking sherry and smoking Berkley menthols before heading off like a pack of smug hells angels to cause more mayhem.

Serious menace. These people must be stopped.
In Woolston you often get a whole herd of them outside the Co Op drinking sherry and smoking Berkley menthols before heading off like a pack of smug hells angels to cause more mayhem. Serious menace. These people must be stopped. elvisimo
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5:51pm Mon 5 Mar 12

thefire says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
The Salv wrote:
What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...
The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.
I agree. It pains me when I see cyclists riding in the gutter allowing cars to sqeeze pass them dangerously.

With a little bit of training they would know they should be taking the lane more often to ensure they dont put themselves in danger like this!
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: What, no picture of the Portsmouth Old Lady in her scooter? Missed an opportunity there. "Hit and Run" poor choice of words as it's a "mobility" scooter. Oxymoron of the week...[/p][/quote]The lady was hit and the person who did it left the scene. And "yes" they should be tested along with cyclists and horse riders.[/p][/quote]I agree. It pains me when I see cyclists riding in the gutter allowing cars to sqeeze pass them dangerously. With a little bit of training they would know they should be taking the lane more often to ensure they dont put themselves in danger like this! thefire
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6:10pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Maine Lobster says...

Shoong wrote:
In the wrong hands these are a complete menace.

We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things.

I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.

But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.
All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties."
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: In the wrong hands these are a complete menace. We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things. I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands. But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.[/p][/quote]All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties." Maine Lobster
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7:02pm Mon 5 Mar 12

George4th says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Shoong wrote:
In the wrong hands these are a complete menace.

We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things.

I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.

But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.
All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties."
Shoong is spot on! These mobility scooters should only be used by people who are officially registered infirm or disabled to improve their quality of life. They are NOT for fat people to get around or people who want to drink alcohol and avoid drink driving charges!.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: In the wrong hands these are a complete menace. We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things. I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands. But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.[/p][/quote]All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties."[/p][/quote]Shoong is spot on! These mobility scooters should only be used by people who are officially registered infirm or disabled to improve their quality of life. They are NOT for fat people to get around or people who want to drink alcohol and avoid drink driving charges!. George4th
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7:21pm Mon 5 Mar 12

THEKILLER says...

Only last week I was abused by a woman driving one of these things she kept blowing her horn shouting get out of my way ( I must admit I was a bit slow as I was pushing a heavy load ) But she said I have right of way!!! and was most abusive , she was very obese, I wasn't going to argue I could see she was in a hurry to get home and drink the 8 2 litre bottles of coke in her basket( not diet!)
Only last week I was abused by a woman driving one of these things she kept blowing her horn shouting get out of my way ( I must admit I was a bit slow as I was pushing a heavy load ) But she said I have right of way!!! and was most abusive , she was very obese, I wasn't going to argue I could see she was in a hurry to get home and drink the 8 2 litre bottles of coke in her basket( not diet!) THEKILLER
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7:56pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Brite Spark says...

I was in the second row of the Chapel End last week when Saints beat Derby. The front row is allocated to people in disability scooters. One woman went for a wee break during the second half, as she pulled out without looking (we're sat behind the goal remember) some poor bloke who was minding his own business was walking by and she clobbered him in the shin, sending him sprawling. It was a definite red card offence even though it was outside the box. She claimed that she never touched him and that he dived. Not only that, she took so long in the loo, she missed our third and fourth goals!
I was in the second row of the Chapel End last week when Saints beat Derby. The front row is allocated to people in disability scooters. One woman went for a wee break during the second half, as she pulled out without looking (we're sat behind the goal remember) some poor bloke who was minding his own business was walking by and she clobbered him in the shin, sending him sprawling. It was a definite red card offence even though it was outside the box. She claimed that she never touched him and that he dived. Not only that, she took so long in the loo, she missed our third and fourth goals! Brite Spark
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8:17pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Gainer T Gopher says...

they always seem to think they are Nigel Mansel, or in this case Danika Patrick when they drive the **** things.....
they always seem to think they are Nigel Mansel, or in this case Danika Patrick when they drive the **** things..... Gainer T Gopher
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8:37pm Mon 5 Mar 12

David Icke says...

I can't get the Monty Python 'Hell's Grannies' sketch out of my head.
I can't get the Monty Python 'Hell's Grannies' sketch out of my head. David Icke
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8:46pm Mon 5 Mar 12

IronLady2010 says...

These mobility tools are abused big time!

I almost wet myself in Tesco a few weeks back when a rather large lady was using a Tesco Mobility car.

The battery died in an aisle and she simply got up and said 'sod this Tesco cheap rubbish' and carried on walking round the store leaving the vehicle in the aisle!!

No doubt the excercise done her some good WELL DONE TESCO!
These mobility tools are abused big time! I almost wet myself in Tesco a few weeks back when a rather large lady was using a Tesco Mobility car. The battery died in an aisle and she simply got up and said 'sod this Tesco cheap rubbish' and carried on walking round the store leaving the vehicle in the aisle!! No doubt the excercise done her some good WELL DONE TESCO! IronLady2010
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11:50pm Mon 5 Mar 12

Starfish123 says...

Many positive and negative comments have arisen here. Firstly "Shoong" you have no idea what you're talking about. FYI I am a very new scooter user through no fault of my own. At under 50 years old I had a hip replacement which went wrong and and have no choice but to use "these menacing things" for mobility, having been housebound for over 4 months. Oh by the way I weigh about 9 stone!!
That aside; it's always the rare cases of wreckless individuals that make the news and make so called "good reading". Just the same as dog owners who don't clean up! (oh yea, I have a dog that's why I got the scooter so I could get him out for a walk ).
As in every case it is the actions of the minority that tar all of us with the same brush.
As a responsible scooter user I am as appalled as anyone else at this lady's actions and I hope the poor lady who was injured will make a speedy recovery.
Many positive and negative comments have arisen here. Firstly "Shoong" you have no idea what you're talking about. FYI I am a very new scooter user through no fault of my own. At under 50 years old I had a hip replacement which went wrong and and have no choice but to use "these menacing things" for mobility, having been housebound for over 4 months. Oh by the way I weigh about 9 stone!! That aside; it's always the rare cases of wreckless individuals that make the news and make so called "good reading". Just the same as dog owners who don't clean up! (oh yea, I have a dog that's why I got the scooter so I could get him out for a walk [and I do clean up]). As in every case it is the actions of the minority that tar all of us with the same brush. As a responsible scooter user I am as appalled as anyone else at this lady's actions and I hope the poor lady who was injured will make a speedy recovery. Starfish123
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12:17am Tue 6 Mar 12

Mr Cynical says...

The headline should have been:
Scooter Hooter Granny Basher

/gets coat
The headline should have been: Scooter Hooter Granny Basher /gets coat Mr Cynical
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11:48am Tue 6 Mar 12

Shoong says...

Starfish123 wrote:
Many positive and negative comments have arisen here. Firstly "Shoong" you have no idea what you're talking about. FYI I am a very new scooter user through no fault of my own. At under 50 years old I had a hip replacement which went wrong and and have no choice but to use "these menacing things" for mobility, having been housebound for over 4 months. Oh by the way I weigh about 9 stone!!
That aside; it's always the rare cases of wreckless individuals that make the news and make so called "good reading". Just the same as dog owners who don't clean up! (oh yea, I have a dog that's why I got the scooter so I could get him out for a walk ).
As in every case it is the actions of the minority that tar all of us with the same brush.
As a responsible scooter user I am as appalled as anyone else at this lady's actions and I hope the poor lady who was injured will make a speedy recovery.
As I said: 'I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.'

What's to 'know'? You either need one or you don't.

Fatties don't. They need to lose weight. Riding a motorised scooter isn't helping them at all.
[quote][p][bold]Starfish123[/bold] wrote: Many positive and negative comments have arisen here. Firstly "Shoong" you have no idea what you're talking about. FYI I am a very new scooter user through no fault of my own. At under 50 years old I had a hip replacement which went wrong and and have no choice but to use "these menacing things" for mobility, having been housebound for over 4 months. Oh by the way I weigh about 9 stone!! That aside; it's always the rare cases of wreckless individuals that make the news and make so called "good reading". Just the same as dog owners who don't clean up! (oh yea, I have a dog that's why I got the scooter so I could get him out for a walk [and I do clean up]). As in every case it is the actions of the minority that tar all of us with the same brush. As a responsible scooter user I am as appalled as anyone else at this lady's actions and I hope the poor lady who was injured will make a speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]As I said: 'I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.' What's to 'know'? You either need one or you don't. Fatties don't. They need to lose weight. Riding a motorised scooter isn't helping them at all. Shoong
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11:52am Tue 6 Mar 12

Shoong says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Shoong wrote:
In the wrong hands these are a complete menace.

We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things.

I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands.

But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.
All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties."
These things are being abused.

Fat people, who are fat due to their own fault, get no sympathy from me.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: In the wrong hands these are a complete menace. We need at least a proficiency test brought in for these things. I'm sure if you have mobility problems there are a god send in responsible hands. But that's not what I see - I see them being belted around by horribly gross obese people. They all seem a bit smug as well that they don't have to walk. Another thing that was meant to help people that has now been abused by fatties.[/p][/quote]All was suprisingly sensible and non partisan from Shoong until the thoroughly offensive comments about "horribly gross obese people" and "now been abused by fatties."[/p][/quote]These things are being abused. Fat people, who are fat due to their own fault, get no sympathy from me. Shoong
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1:08pm Tue 6 Mar 12

dj scooternick says...

i have had a scooter for 8 years now using it daily with no problems just using common sense.i have however had two"collisions" with pedestrians,i was stationary but both times the pedestrian was walking backwards,but i'm the one told "look where your going"
i have had a scooter for 8 years now using it daily with no problems just using common sense.i have however had two"collisions" with pedestrians,i was stationary but both times the pedestrian was walking backwards,but i'm the one told "look where your going" dj scooternick
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5:50pm Wed 7 Mar 12

BeyondImagination says...

It is a shame this old lady was injured. All mobility scooters have automatic brakes and are limited to a maximum speed of 8 mph (4mph permitted on the pavement. There are irresponsible people on every sort of transport, cars, lorries, buses, motor cycles, bikes. It's only mobility scooters which attract calls for a ban every time there is an incident. Pedestrians have a duty of care too. When I'm on my scooter I constantly have to avoid people head down texting deafened by their iplayers who rush out of shops without looking. I've had people try to jump over my scooter and squeeze through tiny gaps because they can't wait a moment. The other day I was following a woman along the pavement. Suddenly, with no warning, she stopped and bent down to touch her shoe. For a moment everything went dark and quiet. I was terrified.
I'm sure people had to be much more aware of their surroundings in the days of horse drawn vehicles. Stop moaning and wake up.
It is a shame this old lady was injured. All mobility scooters have automatic brakes and are limited to a maximum speed of 8 mph (4mph permitted on the pavement. There are irresponsible people on every sort of transport, cars, lorries, buses, motor cycles, bikes. It's only mobility scooters which attract calls for a ban every time there is an incident. Pedestrians have a duty of care too. When I'm on my scooter I constantly have to avoid people head down texting deafened by their iplayers who rush out of shops without looking. I've had people try to jump over my scooter and squeeze through tiny gaps because they can't wait a moment. The other day I was following a woman along the pavement. Suddenly, with no warning, she stopped and bent down to touch her shoe. For a moment everything went dark and quiet. I was terrified. I'm sure people had to be much more aware of their surroundings in the days of horse drawn vehicles. Stop moaning and wake up. BeyondImagination
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6:07pm Wed 7 Mar 12

ottostrasser says...

They are being abused by grossly obese people.Recently in the city centre I saw a massively over-weight woman driving one. Sat in the basket was a hugely obese boy of about 10 (presumably her son)he was munching on a huge family pack of crisps.Says it all really.
Also take a stroll along Shirley High Street.There are loads of these scooters parked up outside the bookies and pubs.
The worst recently was in my local supermarket coming round the corner of one of the aisles was a huge "SUV" version complete with windows for goodness sake if that machine hit a small child it could easily kill them.
Bearing in mind it is not allowed for kids to ride thier little scooters around shops who come it os OK for this lazy oaf to do so ?
Presumably he and his battalion of social workers would soon be on the supermarkets case for discrimination.
They are being abused by grossly obese people.Recently in the city centre I saw a massively over-weight woman driving one. Sat in the basket was a hugely obese boy of about 10 (presumably her son)he was munching on a huge family pack of crisps.Says it all really. Also take a stroll along Shirley High Street.There are loads of these scooters parked up outside the bookies and pubs. The worst recently was in my local supermarket coming round the corner of one of the aisles was a huge "SUV" version complete with windows for goodness sake if that machine hit a small child it could easily kill them. Bearing in mind it is not allowed for kids to ride thier little scooters around shops who come it os OK for this lazy oaf to do so ? Presumably he and his battalion of social workers would soon be on the supermarkets case for discrimination. ottostrasser
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5:59pm Thu 8 Mar 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Any vehicle allowed to drive on a road should be required to have tax, insurance and a registration plate.

That way when they collide with people on the road, on the pavement, or in shops, people can take their number, and action can be taken.

I have spoken to several people who have been hit and injured by mobility scooters. If the drivers hit children or the elderly people can be seriously hurt.
Any vehicle allowed to drive on a road should be required to have tax, insurance and a registration plate. That way when they collide with people on the road, on the pavement, or in shops, people can take their number, and action can be taken. I have spoken to several people who have been hit and injured by mobility scooters. If the drivers hit children or the elderly people can be seriously hurt. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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6:10pm Thu 8 Mar 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
It is a shame this old lady was injured. All mobility scooters have automatic brakes and are limited to a maximum speed of 8 mph (4mph permitted on the pavement. There are irresponsible people on every sort of transport, cars, lorries, buses, motor cycles, bikes. It's only mobility scooters which attract calls for a ban every time there is an incident. Pedestrians have a duty of care too. When I'm on my scooter I constantly have to avoid people head down texting deafened by their iplayers who rush out of shops without looking. I've had people try to jump over my scooter and squeeze through tiny gaps because they can't wait a moment. The other day I was following a woman along the pavement. Suddenly, with no warning, she stopped and bent down to touch her shoe. For a moment everything went dark and quiet. I was terrified.
I'm sure people had to be much more aware of their surroundings in the days of horse drawn vehicles. Stop moaning and wake up.
The point is, that if one is driving a scooter, you need to be driving slowly enough for the road / pavement conditions, as a driver has to on a road. Particularly if you take a mobility scooter onto a footpath or pavement, it is YOUR duty as the driver to make sure you can stop safely whatever the pedestrians do, as THEY have right of way and are the most vulnerable in a collision.
If anyone needs to wait, it is the scooter driver.
Too many times mobility scooter drivers go too fast on pavements. Driving faster than the speed of walking pedestrians on a footpath is a serious hazard, and that is why it is ILLEGAL to drive over 4mph on a pavement. I think these scooters should be limited to 3mph, which is average walking pace. These are not meant to be cars for the unlicenced, but transport equivalent to walking for those who could not get about any other way. Travelling at 3mph for someone who otherwise couldnt walk around is sufficient. All car drivers know that they need to be careful where elderly may be going to cross the road, as they are often a poor judge of speed and distance. So why oh why do we allow the elderly to drive mobility scooters that are not limited to 4mph on the pavements? Why do we expect them to be able to judge speed and distance?
Also some scooter drivers can be less than tolerant and patient, which can lead to painful encounters in supermarkets with people who wish to use their mobility scooters as battering rams.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: It is a shame this old lady was injured. All mobility scooters have automatic brakes and are limited to a maximum speed of 8 mph (4mph permitted on the pavement. There are irresponsible people on every sort of transport, cars, lorries, buses, motor cycles, bikes. It's only mobility scooters which attract calls for a ban every time there is an incident. Pedestrians have a duty of care too. When I'm on my scooter I constantly have to avoid people head down texting deafened by their iplayers who rush out of shops without looking. I've had people try to jump over my scooter and squeeze through tiny gaps because they can't wait a moment. The other day I was following a woman along the pavement. Suddenly, with no warning, she stopped and bent down to touch her shoe. For a moment everything went dark and quiet. I was terrified. I'm sure people had to be much more aware of their surroundings in the days of horse drawn vehicles. Stop moaning and wake up.[/p][/quote]The point is, that if one is driving a scooter, you need to be driving slowly enough for the road / pavement conditions, as a driver has to on a road. Particularly if you take a mobility scooter onto a footpath or pavement, it is YOUR duty as the driver to make sure you can stop safely whatever the pedestrians do, as THEY have right of way and are the most vulnerable in a collision. If anyone needs to wait, it is the scooter driver. Too many times mobility scooter drivers go too fast on pavements. Driving faster than the speed of walking pedestrians on a footpath is a serious hazard, and that is why it is ILLEGAL to drive over 4mph on a pavement. I think these scooters should be limited to 3mph, which is average walking pace. These are not meant to be cars for the unlicenced, but transport equivalent to walking for those who could not get about any other way. Travelling at 3mph for someone who otherwise couldnt walk around is sufficient. All car drivers know that they need to be careful where elderly may be going to cross the road, as they are often a poor judge of speed and distance. So why oh why do we allow the elderly to drive mobility scooters that are not limited to 4mph on the pavements? Why do we expect them to be able to judge speed and distance? Also some scooter drivers can be less than tolerant and patient, which can lead to painful encounters in supermarkets with people who wish to use their mobility scooters as battering rams. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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8:53pm Thu 8 Mar 12

fabcat says...

Every evening I drive in to Eastleigh and collect my partner. I am passed by several cars with no lights in the dark and several with only one working headlight. I pass idiots reversing on to a busy main road, not to mention moronic teens on scooters and 125s driving so badly that they clearly will soon be costing us a fortune in intensive care. I regularly see cars swerve across on-coming traffic. If we are talking oafs to be banned, ban THEM. It is the people who rush on to roundabouts, fail to indicate and swerve everywhere who do the most harm. These people risk my (valuable) life each day - so I suggest that Eastleigh be banned. Come to think of it, Hampshire as a whole. Maybe England (hypocrites the lot). The UK is not worth keeping, really - too damp, and judging by the popular press, lacking in sentient life.

Thousands die on the roads each year because of dangerous driving by car drivers, motorcyclists etc. Ban the lot. Actually I don't like cars much: Ban them (except the ones I do like, which means MX-5s, Citroen Dyanes and Luton Box vans with tail-lifts). Beige is a terrible colour: Ban it.
Some moan and blame others without thinking - they have to because they can't think. It is 'Fat oafs' in mobility scooters who have the temerity to go betting shops - but have you wondered what they are supposed to do, since they won't get a decent job and anywere they can afford to live is likely to be cultural black hole, like Eastleigh? And it is surely ignorance that leads to poor diet - nothing to do with low income and kids going to bad schools where they learn bad habits of course.
Yes, some are stupid, selfish and aggressive - but then so are many pedestrians, and as has been pointed out, they jay-walk and then blame the driver - as a cyclist I get the same thing; idiots who step off the kerb without looking, then yell at me.
So what we have here, friends, is cattle moo-ing. It has no real meaning and is the weak point in a democracy. I like democracy but let's ban people so it works.
If deaths concern you then complain about the bankers that sucked country and the NHS dry so staff are too few and equipment lacking for the task. That kills thousands a year. If the multi-national companies like Tesco's and BP payed their taxes we would have no problems - we are talking tens of billions, not peanuts.
I don't like being rammed by mobility scooters - but it has happened once in 50 years (but then I pay attention to what is going on), whereas I have been ripped off by banks, run over by stupid drivers, damaged by incompetent medical staff and so on - so this is not so much a storm in a tea-cup as a ripple in an egg-cup.
As for me, I am moving to civilisation.
Every evening I drive in to Eastleigh and collect my partner. I am passed by several cars with no lights in the dark and several with only one working headlight. I pass idiots reversing on to a busy main road, not to mention moronic teens on scooters and 125s driving so badly that they clearly will soon be costing us a fortune in intensive care. I regularly see cars swerve across on-coming traffic. If we are talking oafs to be banned, ban THEM. It is the people who rush on to roundabouts, fail to indicate and swerve everywhere who do the most harm. These people risk my (valuable) life each day - so I suggest that Eastleigh be banned. Come to think of it, Hampshire as a whole. Maybe England (hypocrites the lot). The UK is not worth keeping, really - too damp, and judging by the popular press, lacking in sentient life. Thousands die on the roads each year because of dangerous driving by car drivers, motorcyclists etc. Ban the lot. Actually I don't like cars much: Ban them (except the ones I do like, which means MX-5s, Citroen Dyanes and Luton Box vans with tail-lifts). Beige is a terrible colour: Ban it. Some moan and blame others without thinking - they have to because they can't think. It is 'Fat oafs' in mobility scooters who have the temerity to go betting shops - but have you wondered what they are supposed to do, since they won't get a decent job and anywere they can afford to live is likely to be cultural black hole, like Eastleigh? And it is surely ignorance that leads to poor diet - nothing to do with low income and kids going to bad schools where they learn bad habits of course. Yes, some are stupid, selfish and aggressive - but then so are many pedestrians, and as has been pointed out, they jay-walk and then blame the driver - as a cyclist I get the same thing; idiots who step off the kerb without looking, then yell at me. So what we have here, friends, is cattle moo-ing. It has no real meaning and is the weak point in a democracy. I like democracy but let's ban people so it works. If deaths concern you then complain about the bankers that sucked country and the NHS dry so staff are too few and equipment lacking for the task. That kills thousands a year. If the multi-national companies like Tesco's and BP payed their taxes we would have no problems - we are talking tens of billions, not peanuts. I don't like being rammed by mobility scooters - but it has happened once in 50 years (but then I pay attention to what is going on), whereas I have been ripped off by banks, run over by stupid drivers, damaged by incompetent medical staff and so on - so this is not so much a storm in a tea-cup as a ripple in an egg-cup. As for me, I am moving to civilisation. fabcat
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12:46am Fri 9 Mar 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

fabcat,
Noone is saying all car drivers are perfect.

But they have to operate in a legal framework, they must have passed a test, be insured, have road tax, and a registration plate which means that if they commit driving offences they can be traced.

All we are saying is that mobility scooter drivers need to be regulated under a framework that has some of these advantages.

Drunks in charge of mobility scooters should be prosecuted, in the same way that a drunk in charge of a bicycle is prosecuted.

It would be good to require bicycles to have registration plates and VIN numbers too, so red light jumpers can be prosecuted.
fabcat, Noone is saying all car drivers are perfect. But they have to operate in a legal framework, they must have passed a test, be insured, have road tax, and a registration plate which means that if they commit driving offences they can be traced. All we are saying is that mobility scooter drivers need to be regulated under a framework that has some of these advantages. Drunks in charge of mobility scooters should be prosecuted, in the same way that a drunk in charge of a bicycle is prosecuted. It would be good to require bicycles to have registration plates and VIN numbers too, so red light jumpers can be prosecuted. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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